Transmission Problems

[tbone]

Trans started whining on wide open throttle 3 weeks ago. Progressively got worse, and in a hurry. Now drive and overdrive slips badly, but 1 and 2 are fine. Trans has fresh fluid.

Need advice, comments, thoughts, help.

Thanks.

[Bradley G]

I have a rebuild kit in the mail, I was going to Re-do my tranny, but you are a man in need!

[tbone]

How much and who can do the work?

I figure it's a re-build but I was hoping someone can help me pull a rabbit out of my hat......

[Bradley G]

We can ask our buddies @ Buss
How much and who can do the work?

I figure it's a re-build but I was hoping someone can help me pull a rabbit out of my hat......

[tbone]

I'm hoping to avoid their high labor rates.

[Blackened300a]

I had a whining issue coming home from MV8. I changed the filter and fluid and haven't have a problem in well over a year since it happened. We cut the filter open, but never found anything inside or what could have caused it. I had a fluid flush two weeks before I left for MV8 and it was fine the entire time I was out there. Just 20 miles from home was when it started. Try the fluid and filter change, my fluid was clean and full but the whine and slippage would show up once the trans reached operating temp.

[tbone]

I'll try it.

What do you guys think of this deal?

http://monstertrans.com/store/products/4R70W-Heavy-Duty-Performance-Transmission-2WD.html

[03sport007]

http://www.silverfoxtrans.com/silverfoxtrans.com/Home.html

Give this guy a call. He was my second choice behind Darin who no longer seems to be an option. Good luck.

[tbone]

I called and left a message. Thanks.

You guys think this is a good choice for a stall converter on a na car?

http://monstertrans.com/store/products/AODE%7B47%7D4R70W-Torque-Converter-2300%252d2500-Stall-Heavy-Duty.html

[MOTOWN]

I called and left a message. Thanks.

You guys think this is a good choice for a stall converter on a na car?

http://monstertrans.com/store/products/AODE%7B47%7D4R70W-Torque-Converter-2300%252d2500-Stall-Heavy-Duty.html

I thought the stock stall was around 2600:confused:

[justbob]

I'll try it.

What do you guys think of this deal?

http://monstertrans.com/store/products/4R70W-Heavy-Duty-Performance-Transmission-2WD.html

That would be a bonehead move if you do infact S/C like you are planing. It's only rated for 450 engine horse, and I would imagine a basic Eaton swap is somewhere around that figure. No sense in cutting it that close. Sounds to me like its just a barebones basic rebuild with a Jmod. Do they offer an upgraded one? Think future..

I take it the F.M. didn't help?

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[tbone]

That would be a bonehead move if you do infact S/C like you are planing. It's only rated for 450 engine horse, and I would imagine a basic Eaton swap is somewhere around that figure. No sense in cutting it that close. Sounds to me like its just a barebones basic rebuild with a Jmod. Do they offer an upgraded one? Think future..

I take it the F.M. didn't help?

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I'm going to drain and refill tomorrow along with the fm. I got a feeling this thing is toast though.
Yes, they have a racing one, but it only has a 90 day warranty. This one is 3 years.
What would you do if you were in my shoes?

[tbone]

What do you think of this one Bob?

http://monstertrans.com/store/products/4R70W-High-Performance-Race-Transmission-2WD.html

[justbob]

I am not a trans expert, but have heard very good things about Monster. If it were me I would call them direct and tell them the vehicle, weight, driving habits and end goals keeping warranty in mind and let them make the call. Perhaps even a different set up tailored to your needs with a decent warranty.

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[tbone]

Sounds like a good idea.

What stall speed torque converter would you get? 3200-3500?

[justbob]

Probably a 2800 to 3000 max.

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[tbone]

I went and had the fluid flushed at Ford. Made no difference at all. Slips in all gears. I didn't try the friction modifier, but with all new fluid, it shouldn't make a difference.

Ford is going to quote me on a remanufactured trans with a 3 year, 100k warranty.

[tbone]

http://www.silverfoxtrans.com/silverfoxtrans.com/Home.html

Give this guy a call. He was my second choice behind Darin who no longer seems to be an option. Good luck.

I spoke with Dan last night. He's on the expensive side, but seems to really know what he's talking about.

With the mods I have, he recommeded a 10" 2800 torque converter, and said it would be around $700. Way too much. Anyone have an opinion on this one?

http://revmaxconverters.com/about/shop/aode-4r70w-3a

[MOTOWN]

I honestly think your going to get what you pay for! what does a PI convertor run about the the same as Dans 2800 stall?

I guess a Circle D is definetly out of the running

[tbone]

Ford dealer quoted me $2337 out the door for a Ford reman transmission including TC with a 3 year unlimited miles warranty. If I switch out the TC, no warranty. Sounds pretty good. What do you guys think?

[guspech750]

Ford dealer quoted me $2337 out the door for a Ford reman transmission including TC with a 3 year unlimited miles warranty. If I switch out the TC, no warranty. Sounds pretty good. What do you guys think?

I'd think you should get something that will handle more power and punishment.

BUT..............


What ever fits your budget and gets you back on the road is a good reason to buy the remanufactured trans from Ford.


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[Bradley G]

I have my rebuild scheduled for this Monday.
I get no Warranty:coolman:

[boatmangc]

Where's Landy?

[justbob]

All warranties mean are "slow and boring" :) I'm the one guy that would take home a new Challenger and get to rippin the block out if I could swing the cash without hesitation...

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[tbone]

I could get the race tranny for $1800 and a decent TC for say, $600. Any estimates on an install only labor rate? I would guess maybe $600?

Brad, who you taking your trans too? What are you doing to it?

Bob, I tried a friction modifier. Now the car won't even move.......lol

[tbone]

All warranties mean are "slow and boring" :) I'm the one guy that would take home a new Challenger and get to rippin the block out if I could swing the cash without hesitation...

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Everything always, always comes down to money. :bigcry:

Let's see. $700 for new stereo. Check. $1200 for headers. Check. $3000+ for a new race tranny, TC and install....ummm....

[tbone]

I'm going to stop by at Monster Transmissions on Tuesday since I'm in Florida right now and heading right by their facility in Brooksville, FL on my way to Captiva. I'll see what kind of custom trans/torque converter combo they can build for my car, budget and tastes. Can't wait! :beer:

[MENINBLK]

Ford dealer quoted me $2337 out the door for a Ford reman transmission including TC with a 3 year unlimited miles warranty. If I switch out the TC, no warranty. Sounds pretty good. What do you guys think?

How did you get a 3 yr warranty from a FORD DEALER ???
They only give 1yr/12,000 on a transmission or anything else.
$2337 is also very expensive.

My Marauder needs one also and I'm thinking of going to BC and talk to Darin.
Warranties don't really mean anything anymore.
A good transmission should last a reasonable amount of time.

[tbone]

How did you get a 3 yr warranty from a FORD DEALER ???
They only give 1yr/12,000 on a transmission or anything else.
$2337 is also very expensive.

My Marauder needs one also and I'm thinking of going to BC and talk to Darin.
Warranties don't really mean anything anymore.
A good transmission should last a reasonable amount of time.

It's a FORD REMAN transmission. They are not doing it themselves. The service manager specifically stated the 3 yr unlimited mile warranty to me.
Ask people whose trannies died shortly after being "fixed" how important warranties are.

[Panther]

I am getting a bumper to bumper Warrenty from ford 4/36000 just under 1400.


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[CBT]

Engine and trans, $2,999.99 shipped:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2003-2004-MERCURY-MARAUDER-ENGINE-TRANS-4-6-DOHC-32-VALVE-MOTOR-HOT-ROD-SWAP-/270997470638?fits=Make:Mercury |Model:Marauder&hash=item3f18b53dae&item=270997470638&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Acce ssories&vxp=mtr

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/2003-2004-MERCURY-MARAUDER-ENGINE-TRANS-4-6-DOHC-32-VALVE-MOTOR-HOT-ROD-SWAP-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/$(KGrHqF,!lkE-diJSRqoBP2QUnYEI!~~60_57.JPG

[Bradley G]

Rebuild kit 200, cooler 200, tailshaft mod 200, convertor 1200, labor and xtras; fluid & hard parts; sun shell, accum pistons & springs and 1-2 cover, boost valve sleeve, OD regulator sleeve, Rev band, OD band, 1700 .
It's pure silliness now:P

[tbone]

I'm leaning towards a Monster racing trans with a 2800 TC, Now I just need an installer.....

[babbage]

I'm leaning towards a Monster racing trans with a 2800 TC, Now I just need an installer.....


It's not that bad - I did one in about 5-6 hours, on jackstands. Get a new trans cooler and flush the lines, you don't want that metal to get into your new one.

[MENINBLK]

Engine and trans, $2,999.99 shipped:

Please tell me that you READ that it has 150,000 miles on it !!!!!!!

[MENINBLK]

I am getting a bumper to bumper Warrenty from ford 4/36000 just under 1400.


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I paid $1200 for the premium care 5/100k when I purchased my Marauder...
$1400 is too much for only 36,000 miles.

[MENINBLK]

It's a FORD REMAN transmission.

I have had FORD REMAN transmission DIE in under 50,000 miles.
I have no interest in another FORD REMAN.
They are worse than OEM.

[CBT]

Please tell me that you READ that it has 150,000 miles on it !!!!!!!

Of course, but look at that engine and trans. Someone cared about whatever it came out of.

[MENINBLK]

Of course, but look at that engine and trans. Someone cared about whatever it came out of.

I guess you've only seen cars on the EAST COAST from the snow belt...

Any vehicle from the southern states will have an underside
looking that clean unless they drove it through the mud.
I've tried to keep mine clean but road salt does its job anyway.

I've also service both my tranny and diff every 30,000 miles and what did it get me anyway...
It is too much of a coincidence that so many 4R7xW transmissions are failing.

[CBT]

I guess you've only seen cars on the EAST COAST from the snow belt...

Any vehicle from the southern states will have an underside
looking that clean unless they drove it through the mud.
I've tried to keep mine clean but road salt does its job anyway.

I've also service both my tranny and diff every 30,000 miles and what did it get me anyway...
It is too much of a coincidence that so many 4R7xW transmissions are failing.

I don't understand your point. He was posting costs and options for transmissions. I posted a stupid clean transmission with an engine stuck to it for less than most of the trans prices people are talking about.

[tbone]

My original lasted 135k. Not too bad imo. As close to oem as you can get.

[tbone]

Of course, but look at that engine and trans. Someone cared about whatever it came out of.

It does look nice. Not even any rust on the exhaust manifolds.

[LOWBUCKMM]

Bring the car to my house. Let's take it apart here.

[tbone]

Bring the car to my house. Let's take it apart here.

Sounds good to me. You got a lift?

[LOWBUCKMM]

Sounds good to me. You got a lift?

No I don't have a lift. The problem I would have is where to put my marauder while yours is in my garage.

[justbob]

No I don't have a lift. The problem I would have is where to put my marauder while yours is in my garage.

Put it outside in a hail storm like I did for Joe! :)

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[tbone]

Justbob's place sounds better to me with the lift. No offense, but I'm not a glutton for punishment. (Unless Guspech comes over).

[guspech750]

Put it outside in a hail storm like I did for Joe! :)

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LMFAO!!!!

Dude, I was just thinking of that earlier today when Heather asked me to pull her truck in for the storm earlier.

Man I felt so bad during that storm when your car was left out. I kept thinking, " Sheeet. His car is out in the hail storm while mine is protected in his garage. But with my luck the storm would blow the garage down on top of my Merc".


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[LOWBUCKMM]

Justbob's place sounds better to me with the lift. No offense, but I'm not a glutton for punishment. (Unless Guspech comes over).

Whew dodged that bullet. Just kidding. I don't blame you a lift is a awesome thing to have. But bob works on cars more then me. A jack and jack stands work fine for me.

[justbob]

Who offered my place? LOL Unless your buying me a trans jack plus doing the work, then I don't do transmissions. Sorry bubs.

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[yjmud]

looks like you jumped back in front of the bullet Brandon

[tbone]

Who offered my place? LOL Unless your buying me a trans jack plus doing the work, then I don't do transmissions. Sorry bubs.

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I was talking headers. Oh yeah, he was talking trannys. Either way, I'm not doing it with jack stands. PITA.

[tbone]

Bob does trannys!

[guspech750]

Bob does trannys!

I think he is a tranny??


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[justbob]

I was talking headers. Oh yeah, he was talking trannys. Either way, I'm not doing it with jack stands. PITA.

BONEHEAD. Why were you talking headers in your transmision thread? Here I thought you lost your mind.. You should get on my meds and let your head slow the hell down. LMAO

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[tbone]

BONEHEAD. Why were you talking headers in your transmision thread? Here I thought you lost your mind.. You should get on my meds and let your head slow the hell down. LMAO

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I had a disagreement with a 12 pack last night.:beer:

[LOWBUCKMM]

looks like you jumped back in front of the bullet Brandon

Re dodged that bullet again!

[LANDY]

Swapping a trans on these cars is easy on jackstands I did one by my self in 6 hours with no air tools and some beer.:beer:

[LOWBUCKMM]

Swapping a trans on these cars is easy on jackstands I did one by my self in 6 hours with no air tools and some beer.:beer:

SHHH don't tell t-bone that.

[tbone]

Swapping a trans on these cars is easy on jackstands I did one by my self in 6 hours with no air tools and some beer.:beer:

You had to tell me that......

Seriously though, I guess I should do it myself. You must have had some sort of mini lift for the trans?

[tbone]

SHHH don't tell t-bone that.

Have you done it before Brandon? I looked in my repair manual. I guess it's not that hard.

[LOWBUCKMM]

I have swapped many trans. Not one on a panther.

[justbob]

The cross member is the hurdle, not the trans. Also, try not to break off the outer most engine block bungs. I've seen a couple now snapped clean off.

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[Comin' in Hot]

+1 on the crossmember, it's a b*tch to take out

[03sport007]

I did mine 3 times by myself on jack stands. It can be done. But I never never never never want to do it again.

I used a brake rotor from an Audi a4 worked prety good. The hump from the tranny pan fits perfect. Good luck!!!!!

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j414/03sport007/photo-50.jpg

[yjmud]

mini lift = floor jack

[tbone]

I should have known. I used a floor jack and a socket to re-install the 1-2 accumulator spring.

The brake rotor setup is a good idea. Thanks.

[tbone]

Dropped it off at the trans shop this morning. Owner seemed to be a great guy. He's done zillions of trans rebuilds on panthers, so I'm happy about that. Should get it back Wednesday. Then off to the paint shop to have them fix their crappy work.

[MyBlackBeasts]

That would be a bonehead move if you do infact S/C like you are planing. It's only rated for 450 engine horse, and I would imagine a basic Eaton swap is somewhere around that figure. No sense in cutting it that close. Sounds to me like its just a barebones basic rebuild with a Jmod. Do they offer an upgraded one? Think future..

I take it the F.M. didn't help?

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Here, this one is rated for 600hp and only a few$$ more:
http://www.monstertrans.com/store/products/4R70W-High-Performance-Race-Transmission-2WD.html

[tbone]

I considered this, but it would be way more than just a few dollars more when everything was added up.

[tbone]

Well, it's on the bench and waiting for disassembly.

[yjmud]

you should see if he would do your headers while he is doing the trans

[tbone]

I did. He's not interested.

[tbone]

Here it is disassembled. The clutches and bands were fried. The pump was fine. Debris from the clutches clogged the filter and starved the pump for fluid. There was also a small piece of rubber that was stuck in a hole in the valve body. The rebuilder had no idea where it could have come from.

[Chi Stallion]

Glad to see your finally getting to the end of the rebuild! You'l be Marauderin back in no time!!:beer::burnout::banana:

[justbob]

I did. He's not interested.

That's because he is smart. LOL Seriously though, that sucks as he could do it so much easier with the trans out. Oh well, let the trans guy do his trans work.

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[tbone]

Got it back today. Very, very happy. Definitely a different driving style. Revs higher.....gets in the sweet spot faster.
Absolutely need a big trans cooler with this, which I had installed. Expensive to buy and install. Go with the synthetic trans fluid.
Sucks with stock tune. Once I re-installed the custom tune, OMG! Still playing with shift pressures, etc.

[babbage]

what trans cooler did you go with, thermal bypass? Factory cooler still hooked?

Got a way to watch trans temps?

[tbone]

what trans cooler did you go with, thermal bypass? Factory cooler still hooked?

Got a way to watch trans temps?

It's connected along with the factory cooler with a bi-pass. I won't need to monitor temps with this baby installed.......

http://www.blueovalchips.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=290

[babbage]

It's connected along with the factory cooler with a bi-pass. I won't need to monitor temps with this baby installed.......

http://www.blueovalchips.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=290


I agree! Very nice. BOC has some great stuff for our cars. :beer: