Heat exchangers

[DOOM]

Keep seeing all these threads about heat exchangers and ambient temps.

Now I'll be the first to admit I don't know too much about them.

I'm still running the one that came with my trilogy kit.

All I know is EVERYTHING I race one the street ends up in my rearview mirror. Regardless of how hot it is! :banana2:

So my question to all you guys running these monster heat exchangers is this.

Who makes the best one?

I keep hearing 2 brands that keep coming up. Killer chiller and frozen boost!

Which is better and why?

[SC Cheesehead]

Killer Chiller uses you car's A/C cooling system to take heat out of your intercooler coolant:

http://www.killerchiller.com/


The FrozenBoost Type 100 is a traditional heat exchanger (i.e. radiator) similar to the the one that came with your Trilogy kit, only it's larger. Larger = more cooling surface, so it'll do a better job of heat transfer than the OEM HE, IMO.
http://www.frozenboost.com/product_info.php?cPath=217&products_id=1002&osCsid=d36b9692b2074a893b39cfb 6638aa58a


Here's a review on the KC:
http://www.modularfords.com/f17/initial-killer-chiller-review-113125/

Although, FWIW, Zack installed a KC set-up in his DBP, but never hooked it up, was still running his Type 100 when he wrecked the car. Don't know if anybody else here on the board is running a KC set up; maybe FordNut? :dunno:

[Comin' in Hot]

I would love to have a killer chiller, but the $700 bucks for one is a big drawback

[Joe Walsh]

So no one has run a Marauder with both the big Frozen Boost Intercooler core and the Killer Chiller?

That would be awesome to see how much HP is recovered with the much cooler intake air....especially in our 100 degree Mid-Atlantic summer!

[Blown3.8]

The frozen boost one would prolly be sufficient for most. The problem I see with the trilogy one is the placement. If it was boxed in and sealed to the rad it would most likely be fine. I have no data suggesting this but I think a lot of the air is going around the trilogy unit instead of thru it. You can put fans on it but you have to buy multiple ones to go across the long skinny unit. With the frozen boost you can put one fan on it and be done.

[DOOM]

So nobody here has used the killer chiller???

[burt ragio]

I think Zack did have his kiler chiller hooked up along with the Frozen Boost but I don't remember the results drop him a email.

[SC Cheesehead]

I think Zack did have his kiler chiller hooked up along with the Frozen Boost but I don't remember the results drop him a email.


I know Zack installed the KC, but IIRC, he never completed the hook up. I'll PM Doomie with the e-mail addy.

[Mr. Man]

Maybe I can hook you guys up :)

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=81132

[DOOM]

Maybe I can hook you guys up :)

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=81132

That was already sold! And that's not answering my question. Want to know which one is better?

[CWright]

Chris (Blown 3.8) is onto something that caught my attention. The fan going behind the H/E. It can be done with the FB. I spoke to a gentleman today who has his in Front of the FB pushing air. He's seeing IAT's drop significantly. He also has a switch where he can cut fans on and off manually when needed. Once cut on it drops quick from there. I am looking at a unit now but not sure about fitment. I'll post up if I go that route. It's not cheap.

I'd also like to know if anyone knows how much coolant per minute the pumps that come with the Trilogy kit pushes. It was recommended to me on a pump from Ford Racing that pumps 3-5 gallons per minute through the system. There's another one for the 2013 Shelby that pumps 5-8 gallons per minute. Can anyone advise on this?

Thanks

[BODYMAN]

So nobody here has used the killer chiller???

Zack didnt complete his as SC stated. I know Brian (FordNut) was working on one not sure what came of it. Also with the KC kit they do not recomend using a larger HE They recomend the smaller OEM H.E. They say the larger HE is actually a draw back with the KC cause how it works.:beer:. Basically Doom if you wanted to upgrade just get the frozen boost type100.

[Joe Walsh]

Zack didnt complete his as SC stated. I know Brian (FordNut) was working on one not sure what came of it. Also with the KC kit they do not recomend using a larger HE
They recomend the smaller OEM H.E. They say the larger HE is actually a draw back with the KC cause how it works.:beer:.
Basically Doom if you wanted to upgrade just get the frozen boost type100.

I'm not sure why the larger FB intercooler would be a problem when used in conjunction with the Killer Chiller.....:dunno:
The larger Frozen Boost intercooler will pull out more heat before it goes into the Killer Chiller.
Killer Chiller would then have an easier job to further reduce coolant temps before it goes back to the intake's intercooler core.
Now if the intercooler pump moves coolant too fast through the killer Chiller unit for it to work properly, that could be a problem.

[guspech750]

I have been thinking of just installing a fan on my FB unit. Cheap, easy and it works.

If you really want to know how well the KC unit works. Just go on the multiple Mustang sites. Plenty of Stangs running around with the KC system.
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[ImpalaSlayer]

That was already sold! And that's not answering my question. Want to know which one is better?

Doom, the KC will cool it much more then a big HC but it also takes away from the cool air that you get in the cab so basically your AC will not be as cool inside the car what what i understand. if you arnt having any issure but wana upgrade i would just get the type 100 from FB, it fits perfectly int he car. with my lil ass stock cobra unit (same as the trilogy) i saw iats over 170 down in OC.

[Blown3.8]

The killer chiller will drop IAT below ambient. Any HE will never drop below ambient unless you add an ice tank to the system. Alot of guys bypass the HE with the KC cause the ambient air would heat the water back up. You would also want to bypass the HE when using ice.

If you kept the HE with the KC it would be better to route the coolant coming from the IC to go into the HE then from the HE to the KC then back to the IC. But I hear the water temp coming out of the IC is still lower than ambient, so you need to bypass the HE completely.

Went the the track tonight drove out there and back 95* ambient. IAT's cruising where 15-20 over ambient. On the track we where about 115 in the staging lanes and 135 after the burn out and ended at 155 in the 8th 7 second et, with meth spraying before the blower. Without the fan on the HE I'm sure we woulda been in the 150 range on the line. We are pushing 20-21psi.

[burt ragio]

Blown.,8 you are using the Frozen Boost H/E and meth with no fans ?

[ImpalaSlayer]

The killer chiller will drop IAT below ambient. Any HE will never drop below ambient unless you add an ice tank to the system. Alot of guys bypass the HE with the KC cause the ambient air would heat the water back up. You would also want to bypass the HE when using ice.

If you kept the HE with the KC it would be better to route the coolant coming from the IC to go into the HE then from the HE to the KC then back to the IC. But I hear the water temp coming out of the IC is still lower than ambient, so you need to bypass the HE completely.

Went the the track tonight drove out there and back 95* ambient. IAT's cruising where 15-20 over ambient. On the track we where about 115 in the staging lanes and 135 after the burn out and ended at 155 in the 8th 7 second et, with meth spraying before the blower. Without the fan on the HE I'm sure we woulda been in the 150 range on the line. We are pushing 20-21psi.

this exactly

[MOTOWN]

The best and most practical setup would be the FB type 100 H/E with a dual shrouded fan setup in a puller configuration, i gaurauntee it would drop your IAT!

[Blown3.8]

Blown.,8 you are using the Frozen Boost H/E and meth with no fans ?

No, we are using a griffen radiator 25x15x3 with a fan and meth. It was just something I had laying around. It doubled the system capacity of the already doubled cap of the 2 trilogy HE's.

[Blown3.8]

The best and most practical setup would be the FB type 100 H/E with a dual shrouded fan setup in a puller configuration, i gaurauntee it would drop your IAT!

This would work well I think too.

[hotford]

I would love to have a killer chiller, but the $700 bucks for one is a big drawback
Just paid 600 shipped from KC......... specifically designed for the MM.
I also have one for my Bro's Cobra, his car will be getting it installed first.

[CWright]

Just paid 600 shipped from KC......... specifically designed for the MM.
I also have one for my Bro's Cobra, his car will be getting it installed first.


Can this system be cut off in the winter time or will it run continuously?? Just curious.

Thanks

[blkZooM]

Can this system be cut off in the winter time or will it run continuously?? Just curious.

Thanks

if i remember correctly you turn on the KC by putting the ac on defrost if it's not on defrost it's not on. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong though

[STEPS]

I'm thinking of putting a fan on my FB also will let you know

[CWright]

I'm thinking of putting a fan on my FB also will let you know


That's a great idea!! I think it will really help in these hot months.

[guspech750]

Can this system be cut off in the winter time or will it run continuously?? Just curious.

Thanks

Add some bypass valves to the HE so you can bypass the KC unit for the winter time and bypass the HE for the warms months.


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[Spectragod]

Just paid 600 shipped from KC......... specifically designed for the MM.


Do you have the part #? I cannot find it on their website. :confused:

[DOOM]

Just paid 600 shipped from KC......... specifically designed for the MM.
I also have one for my Bro's Cobra, his car will be getting it installed first.

Patiently waiting for the results!

[hotford]

Do you have the part #? I cannot find it on their website. :confused:
I will have to get you the part number, when I spoke with him he stated that the kit for the MM requires a different bracket for mounting purposes and this is why its a little more for the kit.

[hotford]

Can this system be cut off in the winter time or will it run continuously?? Just curious.

Thanks

I guess there is several ways to do this, one is to install by-pass valves or just remove the A/C clutch relay under the hood located in the battery junction block, location, C-1008.

[boatmangc]

Just a thought.
I installed a Griffin 25 X 3 X 9 H/E last year and moved it down below the bumper so it is directly in front of the lower air intakes. I also used the larger reservoir tank ala DR.
On my WRX STI it used the windshield washer to spray the H/E under boost, has anyone ever tried this with our cars?
A shot of WW fluid 50/50 meth-water sprayed across the H/E would certainly drop temps.

[boatmangc]

Just a thought.
I installed a Griffin 25 X 3 X 9 H/E last year and moved it down below the bumper so it is directly in front of the lower air intakes. I also used the larger reservoir tank ala DR.
On my WRX STI it used the windshield washer to spray the H/E under boost, has anyone ever tried this with our cars?
A shot of WW fluid 50/50 meth-water sprayed across the H/E would certainly drop temps.

Nobody? Not even a ricer shot?