crossbreed haters beware

[CameronVic]

I'm just copying and pasting a thread I already made on crownvic.net. I know you guys love panthers too, just a specific model, and I figured you guys would wanna join in the celebration too!

Well, I was trying to get a question answered in another thread, so I decided to make a thread to show where I'm at with my '99.

I went faster with a stock bottom end than I ever thought I would. I hoped for high 11s, and that's what happened. I broke some stuff, parted all the good stuff, and started buying chevy stuff. I traded my old nitrous kit for a TH400. I bought an old Suburban motor for $350. Cam, springs, intake, etc.

Ok, long story longer, I'll just post some pics. I'm not gonna try to make a super detailed first post because there's just too much stuff to try to remember that I either have done, or still have to do to make it all work. Feel free to offer input.

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/cameron878/Swap%202012/c9ca95d1.jpg

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/cameron878/Swap%202012/ec96687d.jpg

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/cameron878/Swap%202012/46cc1167.jpg

[TooManyFords]

ProRauder approved!

[LANDY]

Nice!!!!!!!!!

[Pat]

I'm almost speechless, that car is a marvel of ingenunity. Great for you to share.

[Kickingwing519]

Looking real good cam, will she be ready domanate the track.before winter?

[Spectragod]

Street driven?

[Seneca]

Very kewl!

[guspech750]

Bad ass!!


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[WhatsUpDOHC]

I envy all of our "crossbreeders" (Kudos to ALL!!): Your talent, knowledge and cojones.

I wish that I had your skills and abilit(y/ies).

Mark :beer:

[CameronVic]

Looking real good cam, will she be ready domanate the track.before winter?
Yep. I already have the pump, injectors, rails, and filters, but the last of the fuel stuff comes in tomorrow. Then I gotta order megasquirt, and spend a couple full days wiring.

Me and my friend are gonna street tune it to get the AFs right. Then Play with the timing at the track until it doesn't pick up MPH.

I don't know if I said this already, but it will be on 15-16 lbs, E85, and a whole bunch of timing.
Street driven?Yep! Driven to and and from the local 8th mile, and when I drive 75 miles to Bowling Green, I'll just throw a couple of jugs of E85 in the trunk.

Car will have power steering, insurance, a tag, full interior, and radial tires. Basically a nice weather fun car.

[ShadyLurker]

Looks good man!

[MOTOWN]

Dayuum Bud!!! you aint playin!

[CameronVic]

You dang right! Goals are bottom 10s and maybe some 9s at 130 mph+

[LANDY]

5.3 or 6.0?

[CameronVic]

5.3. Was initially thinking about a 6.0, but they're like twice as much around me, and I knew a 76mm wouldn't do a 6.0 the justice it deserved.

This one was $350! Came out of a 2000 suburban with 180K miles! The inside looked great, so lets see how long this 12 year old motor lasts!

[LANDY]

The 5.3 is just fine. You should be able to make 550rwhp thru that hp robbing th400 and still be reliable. What cam did you go with?

[71cyclone]

You may allready know that a Mechanic out of Tennessee [I think ]-- transplanted a Ls2 [400 hp] engine from a Trail blazem SS to a sick Marauder. The hood closed ,used the trail Blazem intake and ROLLED out . Itz on U tube .It looks like your set up may kick the SS marauder off the track also the TH400 uses 28 horses to operate

[CameronVic]

The 5.3 is just fine. You should be able to make 550rwhp thru that hp robbing th400 and still be reliable. What cam did you go with?With it being on E85, and the amount of boost I'm looking to throw at it (This is complete bench racing based just on what other people have done with similar builds), I'd like to see 650-700. But HP doesn't really even matter to me. If it goes mid to deep 10s, I'm going to be more than thrilled.

And the cam is just something a local 6.0 turbo guy sold me. He went mid 6s and high 10s, but he was just on pump gas, weighed more than me, and had a 4L80E with a dana 60 behind it (Talk about HP robbing!). I believe its like a 212 224 .550 lift with a 112 LSA, but don't quote me. LOL. Basically, it was $100, and someone had already proven what it could do. It was good enough for me!

[CameronVic]

You may allready know that a Mechanic out of Tennessee [I think ]-- transplanted a Ls2 [400 hp] engine from a Trail blazem SS to a sick Marauder. The hood closed ,used the trail Blazem intake and ROLLED out . Itz on U tube .It looks like your set up may kick the SS marauder off the track also the TH400 uses 28 horses to operate
And yes I did know that! I'm more than jealous! He sprayed his too didn't he?!

Also, I'm pretty sure a TH400 doesn't use a set amount of HP, it's a percentage. I wish all it used was 28HP. I got the thing for dirt cheap (my old nitrous kit), and pretty much the only thing that is as strong as (and maybe stronger) in near stock form is a C6. I'll trade HP robbing for reliability any day!

[71cyclone]

I am proud of you SON , Keep up the good work .[ You are Sharp ]
You are right about percentage, I got my round figure from a compilation of dyno runs at Allison trans center in Indianapolis for tested reading for the hydro 350 and 400 some years back for a Impala mule. the Allison supv gave me an average of HP loss ,I think the hydra 350 came in at 23-26 hp loss . Keep us posted on the Progress

[TooManyFords]

Not to get too technical, but the percentage of loss decreases as horsepower increases. It is not a fixed percentage, nor is it a fixed rated horsepower. More on the order of 12.8% (400hp) to 12.1% (700hp).

[jb513]

Do I hear the song from Deliverance playing in the background....Di di di di di di di di.....diii....

[CameronVic]

Not to get too technical, but the percentage of loss decreases as horsepower increases. It is not a fixed percentage, nor is it a fixed rated horsepower. More on the order of 12.8% (400hp) to 12.1% (700hp).

Well I learned something today! Lol. Thanks!

[CameronVic]

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/cameron878/DC9C46B5-6807-4F86-8144-6A39A439D874-23399-000016A0066A36DC.jpg

[MOTOWN]

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/cameron878/DC9C46B5-6807-4F86-8144-6A39A439D874-23399-000016A0066A36DC.jpg

I like your style bud! im in the process of ordering all the parts and fittings as well for a full return style system :beer:

[2,4shofast]

Great project, it looks awesome so far...I cant wait to hear how it runs!:beer:

[CameronVic]

Here's some more progress for you guys!

Braided trans cooler lines. That's a 10" PTC custom converter in the background

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/cameron878/Swap%202012/002.jpg

Where I ran trans cooler lines

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/cameron878/Swap%202012/003.jpg

Trans cooler mounted to front of intercooler

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/cameron878/Swap%202012/008.jpg

Oil feed line for the turbo

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/cameron878/Swap%202012/006-1.jpg

feed line going into turbo

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/cameron878/Swap%202012/005.jpg

-10 oil return line

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/cameron878/Swap%202012/009-1.jpg

Here's what the motor mounts look like

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/cameron878/Swap%202012/004.jpg

[scruff]

wow those solid mounts are going to make your teeth rattle lol

[LANDY]

Change that oil filter before you start the engine.

[Blown3.8]

I picked up alot of heat on the IAT with my trans cooler mounted right in front like you have.

[MOTOWN]

Looks like your close to fire in da hole!

[CameronVic]

Lol, I bought the cheapest one just to throw on while the car was being put together, I didn't want to get metal flakes anywhere, I planned on changing it. Lol

I have two puller fans that I'm waiting to put on the back of the IC if I have high IATs. E85 will pretty much make higher IATs nothing to worry about though.

What is your setup that you had high IATs with? And what did you do to fix it?

[Blown3.8]

2.0L twinscrew pushing 24psi into a 6cylinder 24x24 or so front mount snow meth injection 625ml jet. Was seeing about 170* iat. 100* ambient. I layed it horizontal on the bumper so it wasn't right up on the IC. I ussually see 140* iats now.

[CameronVic]

So was yours next to a liquid to air IC? Cause that would be affected a lot more than an air to air.

[LANDY]

Get a healthy air to air intercooler and relocate you trans cooler.

[Blown3.8]

Nah mine is an air to air. Heres some pics. I boxed it in to make sure the air flows thru and not around. Hung a couple fans on it when in the staging lanes. Thought I had some pics of the trans cooler loaded on photobucket.
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u216/blown38/DSC07948.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u216/blown38/DSC07924.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u216/blown38/DSC07946.jpg

[CameronVic]

That's crazy! I've never seen and AA kit on anything but a centrifugal style blower! Sweet! What size piping? 3"?


Get a healthy air to air intercooler and relocate you trans cooler.
My intercooler is AA, the entrance and exit are on the same side. A buddy of mine had it on his 650whp sentra on 35psi and E85. I should be fine.

[Blown3.8]

Piping is 2.75. Its an IC from an Isuzu NPR box truck and just about bolts into a t bird.

Looking forward to see what yours runs. Although I am not a fan of chevys in fords. Atleast its Vic. It is nice you can get those motors cheap. And its nice to see some hot rodding going on.

I love that lincoln LS that was for sale a couple months ago with the LS motor. Car was awesome.

[71cyclone]

This looks good// Gotta call N.A.S.A. ,new "rocket contractor"

[Fosters]

. .

[CameronVic]

Certain years like the mid 80s, it might make the vette faster!

[CameronVic]

Finished the entire fuel system today. Here's some pics!

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/cameron878/Swap%202012/001.jpg

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/cameron878/Swap%202012/002-1.jpg

-8 feed on the bottom, and -6 return on the top. Stock mounts and bolts worked perfect! Just needed some coated clamps!

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/cameron878/Swap%202012/003-1.jpg

Not having the stock tank in there freed up a lot of room!

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/cameron878/Swap%202012/004-1.jpg

100 micron pre pump filter, magnafuel 625 (supports 1500WHP NA) 10 micron post pump filter, and my $40 12 gallon hand me down fuel cell!

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/cameron878/Swap%202012/005-1.jpg

Super high speed vent tube!

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/cameron878/Swap%202012/006-2.jpg

Oh looky there!

http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/cameron878/Swap%202012/007.jpg

[MOTOWN]

Damn looking good bud!

[TooManyFords]

Just FYI, your regulator cannot be mounted on the firewall and must be 6 inches forward of the flywheel/flex-plate, regardless of the SFI shielding. That is, if you are going to race it and take it to an NHRA track, regardless of how fast it runs.

Otherwise, it looks nice.

[Blown3.8]

Looks good. Did you paint the manifold ford blue cause you felt bad for putting the chevy motor in it?:lol: Or to trick people to think its still a ford?:cool:

[CameronVic]

Just FYI, your regulator cannot be mounted on the firewall and must be 6 inches forward of the flywheel/flex-plate, regardless of the SFI shielding. That is, if you are going to race it and take it to an NHRA track, regardless of how fast it runs.

Otherwise, it looks nice.yea, I recently found that out, but tech at any track I go could would not care. They didn't bat an eye when a friend of mine made a 10.6 pass without a cage or helmet. I guess I'll find out!

[Triple Threat]

yea, I recently found that out, but tech at any track I go could would not care. They didn't bat an eye when a friend of mine made a 10.6 pass without a cage or helmet. I guess I'll find out!

The NHRA rules are there to protect the driver,not the tech inspector.Check tread How The Fastest Marauder Got A Chevy Engine to see what happens at only 120 MPH.

[CameronVic]

Looks good. Did you paint the manifold ford blue cause you felt bad for putting the chevy motor in it?:lol: Or to trick people to think its still a ford?:cool:to mess with the Ford and Chevy purists!
The NHRA rules are there to protect the driver,not the tech inspector.Check tread How The Fastest Marauder Got A Chevy Engine to see what happens at only 120 MPH.wasn't that because there was water on the track?

I take it you've never exceeded the speed limit or done a rolling stop?

5 point harnesses are good for 2 years, and then they can NEVER be used in competition again, does that mean they won't keep my body in the car the day they turn 2 years and 1 day old?

More people are killed each year by lightning strikes than blow up bell housings on TH400s with my HP level. We take a risk everytime we get behind the wheel on the street or the track. Now quit jinxing me! Lol!

[LANDY]

Looks good. Parts and equipments fail. Listen to the wise, just saying.

[CameronVic]

Oh cool! Another driver that's never broken the law!

[Blown3.8]

Oh yeah, and were did the purple fuel rails come from?

I don't think they are gonna nark on you, just makin sure you stay safe. Poop happens.

[CameronVic]

Oh, I also don't have an SFI approved flywheel (it's the stock 12 year old suburban one), won't have an external battery shutoff, and it won't have a cage for a little bit longer. Gonna wait till I get kicked off first.


Oh yeah, and were did the purple fuel rails come from?$55 eBay from China, all the aeromotive, FAST, and other american stuff was like triple that. And I knew this was exactly the same, it would just take 3 weeks longer to get to me.

[LANDY]

Oh cool! Another driver that's never broken the law! hey hey hey! Easy with the sarcasm. Boy if you only knew!

[CameronVic]

Where did you get your cage done?

[LANDY]

Where did you get your cage done?lol i have none.

[CameronVic]

OMG! You mean to tell me you're running 11.50 and faster without a roll bar!?

[LANDY]

OMG! You mean to tell me you're running 11.50 and faster without a roll bar!?hahaha! Been there plenty times but my fuel system is safe tho.

[CameronVic]

So your fuel system will keep you safe when you roll your car?

Hi I'm pot, nice to meet you, you must be kettle?

[TooManyFords]

Oh, I also don't have an SFI approved flywheel (it's the stock 12 year old suburban one), won't have an external battery shutoff, and it won't have a cage for a little bit longer. Gonna wait till I get kicked off first.

From Tennessee eh? Never mind. Carry on.

:D

[LANDY]

So your fuel system will keep you safe when you roll your car?

Hi I'm pot, nice to meet you, you must be kettle? at least it wont catch on fire. Well its your money, car, and sacrifice. I would rather discuss this face to face since your a smartass.
Move on and proceed on the build talk.

[Blown3.8]

Where did you get your cage done?

I built my own.:) Prebent kit from S&W.

[justbob]

OMG! You mean to tell me you're running 11.50 and faster without a roll bar!?

LOL I just want one 11.49 pass so I CAN install a cage! Because I had too... 😉


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[CameronVic]

From Tennessee eh? Never mind. Carry on.

:D

Joined the army in 2006. Born and raised in Florida. I'm sure I've got more teeth in my head than you!

[CameronVic]

at least it wont catch on fire. Well its your money, car, and sacrifice. I would rather discuss this face to face since your a smartass.
Move on and proceed on the build talk.
It's just the internet