Motor swap???????

[Mw 2309]

Does anybody know if a 2004 5.4 can fit in a mm and what mods i would have to do! Thanks Kevin

[Granddaddy Marq]

The one I saw had a 4v 5.4 S/C. I know he had to put a 2 1/2" cowl hood on it. I think his screen name is Ford Nut.

[fastblackmerc]

5.4 will not fit without some major modifications. The 5.4 is higher than the 4.6.

[SC Cheesehead]

The one I saw had a 4v 5.4 S/C. I know he had to put a 2 1/2" cowl hood on it. I think his screen name is Ford Nut.


5.4 will not fit without some major modifications. The 5.4 is higher than the 4.6.

^^^^ What they said. Deck height is the biggest issue.

GreekGod's MadMax has a 5.4L Lightning motor with SC in it.

[marauder410]

throwing a 2.5 crowl hood on it dosent seem major to me

[TFB]

throwing a 2.5 crowl hood on it dosent seem major to me

Hacking up the HVAC for clearance surely is...

[marauder410]

owww yea no doubt about that...

[sailsmen]

The World's Fastest Marauder has a Big Block Chevy!!!!!!!!!!:D

BBC RULES!

[SpartaPerformance]

I don't see why you would want a 5.4L swap, plenty of power can be made by the 4.6L.

[RacerX]

Or even go big bore/stroker to get her to 5.3, slap a Lysholm, big Whipple or Eaton TVS on and run her with corn (E85). Get you 800 to 900 easy. Just need to do tranny/drive train and fuel delivery. :beer: You can do anything with time, patience and $$$.

[SC Cheesehead]

Or even go big bore/stroker to get her to 5.3, slap a Lysholm, big Whipple or Eaton TVS on and run her with corn (E85). Get you 800 to 900 easy. Just need to do tranny/drive train and fuel delivery. :beer: You can do anything with time, patience and $$$.

^^^^^ What he said.

[ctrlraven]

5.4 2v yes
5.4 4v no

[LANDY]

FordNut has a 5.3 BBS, not a 5.4.

[SC Cheesehead]

FordNut has a 5.3 BBS, not a 5.4.

Yup.
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[Granddaddy Marq]

FordNut has a 5.3 BBS, not a 5.4.


My bad. Sorry

[GreekGod]

The 5.4 2V in MadMax is from a Lightning, and it is a 2000 Crown Victoria (different front chassis than an MM). Besides the heater plenum clearance issue, there is probably a wiper linkage clearance issue. Not sure about exhaust, but it has SLP (Mustang?) headers.

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[SC Cheesehead]

The 5.4 2V in MadMax is from a Lightning, and it is a 2000 Crown Victoria (different front chassis than an MM). Besides the heater plenum clearance issue, there is probably a wiper linkage clearance issue. Not sure about exhaust, but it has SLP (Mustang?) headers.

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There you go, the man, and the car, of which I have spoken has cleared it up. :up:

[Billy]

5.4 will not fit without some major modifications. The 5.4 is higher than the 4.6.
BS Tech please don't post if you have no clue what you're talking about.

I have a 5.4L in my car and it fits just fine. It's a bit taller than the stock engine and will most likely fit with the stock intake manifold depending on your choice of plenum, but most people who have done the swap has used the HPS Hardball'r intake manifold because its a bit shorter.

That said, the 5.4L 2v and 4.6L 4v are pretty evenly matched performance wise. What the 5.4 2v lacks in top end it makes up in bottom end and vise verse for the 4.6 4v.

If I had a choice I'd go with the 4v 4.6 though just because there are plenty of tried and true combos, whereas the 5.4L 2v is still a work in progress.


The 5.4 2V in MadMax is from a Lightning, and it is a 2000 Crown Victoria (different front chassis than an MM).
Front crossmember is a different design, so is the wiper cowl, but other than that there's not much different when it comes to an engine swap.

[Krytin]

The man who built Mad Max 2000 was/is a Ford Tech who said he installed a few warranty replacement engines in panther platforms that turned out to be 5.4l 2V's because there were no 4.6l's available at the time of replacement.
He's also the guy who tuned my car.

[Billy]

The man who built Mad Max 2000 was/is a Ford Tech who said he installed a few warranty replacement engines in panther platforms that turned out to be 5.4l 2V's because there were no 4.6l's available at the time of replacement.
He's also the guy who tuned my car.

I've also heard that Sal did that for a couple of police cars. Interesting story.
Too bad he's not around anymore. That man was a genius.

[SC Cheesehead]

BS Tech please don't post if you have no clue what you're talking about.

I have a 5.4L in my car and it fits just fine. It's a bit taller than the stock engine and will most likely fit with the stock intake manifold depending on your choice of plenum, but most people who have done the swap has used the HPS Hardball'r intake manifold because its a bit shorter.

That said, the 5.4L 2v and 4.6L 4v are pretty evenly matched performance wise. What the 5.4 2v lacks in top end it makes up in bottom end and vise verse for the 4.6 4v.

If I had a choice I'd go with the 4v 4.6 though just because there are plenty of tried and true combos, whereas the 5.4L 2v is still a work in progress.


Front crossmember is a different design, so is the wiper cowl, but other than that there's not much different when it comes to an engine swap.

I believe he's referring to a 5.4L 4V which IS taller than a 4.6L, that's why more of these swaps haven't occurred, and YES, he does know what he's talking about... :rolleyes:

[Billy]

I believe he's referring to a 5.4L 4V which IS taller than a 4.6L, that's why more of these swaps haven't occurred, and YES, he does know what he's talking about... :rolleyes:
How are we supposed to assume that? Nowhere in his post did he say 4v. He just said 5.4.
I never said the 5.4 2v isn't taller then the 4.6, because it is but it is definitely not tall enough to require "major modifications", not by any stretch of the imagination.
But the reason why more 5.4 4v swaps haven't been done isn't because of the intake manifold height (that can always be solved by a cowl hood or a hole in the hood) it's because of how wide the heads sit. It interferes with the stock braking system (among other things) and you'd have to convert to hydroboost brakes, which is complicated.
There's multiple 5.4 4v swaps in progress right now though.

For everybody who thinks that any variation of the 5.4 is "too big" to fit, keep in mind that Zack swapped a 6.8 V10 3v into a marauder and I'm pretty sure it fit just fine (for the most part)

[SC Cheesehead]

How are we supposed to assume that? Nowhere in his post did he say 4v. He just said 5.4.
I never said the 5.4 2v isn't taller then the 4.6, because it is but it is definitely not tall enough to require "major modifications", not by any stretch of the imagination.
But the reason why more 5.4 4v swaps haven't been done isn't because of the intake manifold height (that can always be solved by a cowl hood or a hole in the hood) it's because of how wide the heads sit. It interferes with the stock braking system (among other things) and you'd have to convert to hydroboost brakes, which is complicated.
There's multiple 5.4 4v swaps in progress right now though.

For everybody who thinks that any variation of the 5.4 is "too big" to fit, keep in mind that Zack swapped a 6.8 V10 3v into a marauder and I'm pretty sure it fit just fine (for the most part)

Hmmmm, won't require major modifications, but would need to convert to hydroboost brakes, which is complicated.

Okay... ;)

BTW, Zack never got to the point of addressing the wiper cowl clearance issue in the V-10 swap; the engine was a real torque monster, but wouldn't rev, so he canned the project and went back to a 4.6L

[Billy]

Hmmmm, won't require major modifications, but would need to convert to hydroboost brakes, which is complicated.

Okay... ;)

:shake: That's for the 5.4 4v, the 5.4 2v on the other hand basically drops right in.
They're both 5.4s and one of them most certainly does not require major modifications.

[GreekGod]

:shake: That's for the 5.4 4v, the 5.4 2v on the other hand basically drops right in.
They're both 5.4s and one of them most certainly does not require major modifications.

Don't forget the tune - to me, that is a major mod!

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[SC Cheesehead]

:shake: That's for the 5.4 4v, the 5.4 2v on the other hand basically drops right in.
They're both 5.4s and one of them most certainly does not require major modifications.

No argument there, but like Tommy sez below, why would you wanna do a 5.4L 2V swap?


I don't see why you would want a 5.4L swap, plenty of power can be made by the 4.6L.

[TFB]

No argument there, but like Tommy sez below, why would you wanna do a 5.4L 2V swap?

Not me, if I was wanting a NA performance engine I'd be looking at a big inch Windsor with TFS heads etc......

[SC Cheesehead]

Not me, if I was wanting a NA performance engine I'd be looking at a big inch Windsor with TFS heads etc......

Now THAT would be fun! :up:

[GreekGod]

Not me, if I was wanting a NA performance engine I'd be looking at a big inch Windsor with TFS heads etc......


Not me, if I was wanting a NA performance engine I'd be looking at a big inch Lima 385 series 370/429/460, stroked out to at least 514 - no girly-man Windsor for me. :D

[SC Cheesehead]

Not me, if I was wanting a NA performance engine I'd be looking at a big inch Lima 385 series 370/429/460, stroked out to at least 514 - no girly-man Windsor for me. :D


WOOT! :bounce:

BBS FTW!!! :D

[ncmm]

would a Boss 302 fit in the Marauder?
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField= 12865


or Boss 302s?
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField= 12220

[Billy]

If you have enough money to actually buy one of those, then I'm sure you'd have enough money to make it fit.

[Vortech347]

Coyote or Road Runner engines would also require the adapter brackets for the power steering and alternator. Then you would need the ECM/harness pack.

Much better off doing an Eaton/whipple swap with a built bottom end.

[na svt]

The World's Fastest Marauder has a Big Block Chevy!!!!!!!!!!:D

BBC RULES!
In that case it's not a marauder.

[na svt]

For everybody who thinks that any variation of the 5.4 is "too big" to fit, keep in mind that Zack swapped a 6.8 V10 3v into a marauder and I'm pretty sure it fit just fine (for the most part)

It fit because the v-10 has the deck height of a 4.6.

[SC Cheesehead]

Here's the definitive word on deck heights for mod motors:

(See Pages 46 & 47)
http://editiondigital.net/publication/?i=88199


Also:
http://www.sullivanperformance.com/yvs450/tech/tech1.htm