The end is here

[Triple Threat]

Car is trailered up and heading for the shop, we'll pull the engine and transmission and see what she needs to get ready for next season. See you in the Spring - Joe
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[ajdereicup]

Sexy looking MM

[CameronVic]

Ever thought of a trying a radial on it? I would bet money the car would pick up a tenth and like 5 mph if you put a 315/60-15 on it.

[Triple Threat]

Ever thought of a trying a radial on it? I would bet money the car would pick up a tenth and like 5 mph if you put a 315/60-15 on it.

Current tire is a 32-16 wide.A smaller radial would not work because of the the 4000 lb. race weight and high torque at launch.

[MOTOWN]

Current tire is a 32-16 wide.A smaller radial would not work because of the the 4000 lb. race weight and high torque at launch.

Exactly what i was thinking! that car would blow a radial tire off the wheel!

[LANDY]

Current tire is a 32-16 wide.A smaller radial would not work because of the the 4000 lb. race weight and high torque at launch.
Its all in the suspension setup.

[CameronVic]

Its all in the suspension setup.Exactly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgm22CShaWM

This is on the exact tire I suggested. I understand it's not my car, but the fact is, a radial (if the suspension is set up properly and the power management is there) will out trap a slick car every single time.

[RacerX]

Exactly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgm22CShaWM

This is on the exact tire I suggested. I understand it's not my car, but the fact is, a radial (if the suspension is set up properly and the power management is there) will out trap a slick car every single time.
According to Ken Warenr, of Mickey Thompson, not in all situations, even when the suspension is highly modified to accomodate radials. There's a lot of decisioms made on this car by professionals that have been racing for a long time. Do what you want with your car and when your 60ft is in the range of this car, let us know.
Oh, and RTCTTFMF is not gospel. There is no Confusion. ;)

[CameronVic]

Spoken like a true old school racer. "Slap the biggest tires on that Goodyear makes and let her eat!!". I like seeing people go faster, that's why I suggested a radial.

Drag racing is ever changing, and you don't need steamroller tires to go fast anymore. I would love to see a side by side comparison of how much WHP loss there is trying to turn his current tires compared to a "small tire" radial.

There's cars on 275 drag radials that do 1.0X 60s. And unless you're consistently pulling 1.1s in X275, you might as well pack your stuff up or not even show up.

Kevin Fiscus, Steve Jackson, Kyle Huettle, and Kevin Hubbard have all gone 4.20s @ 180 mph+ in the 8th. Go over to Wallace racing calculator and discover that it takes north of 3000 WHP to do that. And guess what... They're on a 30" x 12.4" drag radial...

[TooManyFords]

Weight is the enemy of a drag radial.

[LANDY]

Weight is the enemy of a drag radial. There are ways around that. With a big car all one needs is to progressively apply the power to the ground. Most of the DR cars dont hit big at the light. After 20 ft is another story.

[TooManyFords]

So you would waste the 1/3 of the 60ft? What a waste!

[LANDY]

That waste would be rewarded at the 1320' mark.

[CameronVic]

Radial vs the world is a prime example of why radials are better. The only place a slick car is going to take a radial car is to the 60', after that, they're getting their doors sucked off. Take the sissy bars off the back of an outlaw 10.5 car and line it up next to an ODR car and that thing is getting dragged down the track.

[CameronVic]

Weight is the enemy of a drag radial.not a turbo ODR car. They go faster the more weight you put on them.

http://youtu.be/nMa1gDrKlLc

That's roughly a 3400lb car

[RacerX]

Those cars are lighter and have 2500+ HP. I really don't see an "apples to apples" comparison here. What's their car weight, hp/tq, transmission type, converter if auto (stall speed, non-lockup?), how is the suspension setup...

[Triple Threat]

There are ways around that. With a big car all one needs is to progressively apply the power to the ground. Most of the DR cars dont hit big at the light. After 20 ft is another story.

In 1/4 mile drag racing if you can reduce your 60 ft time by .1 second you will pick up .2 at the 1320.

[Triple Threat]

Spoken like a true old school racer. "Slap the biggest tires on that Goodyear makes and let her eat!!". I like seeing people go faster, that's why I suggested a radial.

Drag racing is ever changing, and you don't need steamroller tires to go fast anymore. I would love to see a side by side comparison of how much WHP loss there is trying to turn his current tires compared to a "small tire" radial.

There's cars on 275 drag radials that do 1.0X 60s. And unless you're consistently pulling 1.1s in X275, you might as well pack your stuff up or not even show up.

Kevin Fiscus, Steve Jackson, Kyle Huettle, and Kevin Hubbard have all gone 4.20s @ 180 mph+ in the 8th. Go over to Wallace racing calculator and discover that it takes north of 3000 WHP to do that. And guess what... They're on a 30" x 12.4" drag radial...

When you build your 8 second marauder with drag radials i will come to your track so you can show me how it"s done.

[CameronVic]

Don't worry, I'll build it, and drive it myself. Just keep telling yourself those steamroller tires are helping you. They might be giving you better 60'a, but they're killing you up top. I would bet anything I own that your car would go faster and get there faster with a radial. I like to see people go faster, that's why I suggested a radial. If I wanted to see you go slower, I'd tell you to put a bigger slick on it. Try opening that mind a little, and you'll go faster. I learned a lot after I knew everything.

[RacerX]

I learned a lot after I knew everything.
That still doesn't mean you know everything. I'm not saying we do either and there are always new ideas and technological advancements in suspension, tire types, rubber compounds, etc. I admit that you were nice in the way you posted your thoughts: "Ever thought of a trying a radial on it? I would bet money the car would pick up a tenth and like 5 mph if you put a 315/60-15 on it." You weren't as agressive as you normally seem to be. Get yours built and let's line em up! :beer:

[CameronVic]

What I meant by "I Learned a lot after I knew everything" was: once I admitted I didn't know everything, I became teachable. This car is a bad ride, and I just like to see things go faster. It's just an opinion, I could be completely wrong about the tire selection, I've been way wrong before. Keep it up the good work!

[RacerX]

Yeah, I knew what you meant. It's cool, just discussion. Btw, here's some hookin going on:

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/647/medium/2a.jpg (javascript:;)

[Joe Walsh]

Yeah, I knew what you meant. It's cool, just discussion. Btw, here's some hookin going on:

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/647/medium/2a.jpg (javascript:;)

:bows:

That's awesome to get such a long wheelbase boat like a Marauder to hang the front tires.
Just think....all that weight is being lifted into the air by the ring and pinion gear.

[Triple Threat]

What I meant by "I Learned a lot after I knew everything" was: once I admitted I didn't know everything, I became teachable. This car is a bad ride, and I just like to see things go faster. It's just an opinion, I could be completely wrong about the tire selection, I've been way wrong before. Keep it up the good work!

Let's start over.The tire selection for your car was the right choice.Your 6.9time on DR was good.On the purple car with 800 H.P. the best times were 6.8 with a 1.50 60 ft.I have tried both radials and slicks.I would like to know what you did for suspension,tire pres,etc.
On the race car we slowed the MPH down so the engine would be at 7200 at finish so it would last longer.
Last year it took us 6 months just to get a full run at the track with the race car.I learned a lot during this time and when we finally got the set up right it was rewarding.There may be other ways to get there but this is what works for us.
As far as knowing everything I did.But at 72 most of it is gone and i have to start over.

[CameronVic]

Let's start over...I would like to know what you did for suspension,tire pres,etc.
255/50-16s, 18psi pre burnout, comp engineering 3 way adjustable front and rear shocks, fronts set at 90-10, rears at 30-70.

A friend who knows a bunch about suspension (antisquat, instant center, pinion angle, etc) told me which measurments to take, and told me where my ride height in the rear needed to be. I'm on a budget, so I thought outside the box. I found some worn out springs, and got the ride height in the rear in the ballpark of where it needed to be (1.75"-2" lower).

Turbos leave way softer than NA, Nitrous, or blown cars (I'm sure you know this) so that helps with the power all getting to the ground. My friend helped me "find the unicorn" as he would say with this car. It just hooks, and for that I'm grateful.

On to the bigger issue. I'm an ass sometimes. I can be immature, and a know it all. I was wrong. I forget sometimes that people have different likes and dislikes, then I show my ass online. I was wrong in how I acted. Keep up the great work.

But on a serious note, my goal is to have the World's fastest panther some day, so slow down, and quit making my job so hard.

[TooManyFords]

Here is a link to my SkyDrive with an Excel spreadsheet to calculate Instant Center and to setup a 4-link suspension. Even if you don't have a 4-link, it will give you a good idea how this all works and how to make your car hook.

http://sdrv.ms/VxWMn3

(Requires Excel 2010 or greater with macros enabled.)