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VMARAUDER
10-23-2012, 01:06 PM
I just ran across this a few days ago. The Marauder is termed "Collector Car" on Ford Racing's web site.
here is the link.
http://racing.ford.com/enthusiasts/collector-vehicles/mercury/marauder-2004/
Krytin
10-23-2012, 01:11 PM
Cool - very nice!!
VMARAUDER
10-23-2012, 01:24 PM
It's a step in the right direction
Odinson
10-23-2012, 01:30 PM
Very cool having fun cruising through it all!
:rock::burnout:
Can we get Hagerty insurance now???
SC Cheesehead
10-23-2012, 02:04 PM
I figure another 10 years before they'll start generating real "collector" interest.
Blackmobile
10-23-2012, 02:16 PM
Ah....Yeah, but publicized burnouts might be a No No!
Can we get Hagerty insurance now???
Ah....Yeah, but publicized burnouts might be a No No!
:corner: :alone:
Chayton
10-23-2012, 02:45 PM
what the??? Why is motor city Marauders listed under the clubs and groups, but not MM.net???
http://racing.ford.com/enthusiasts/clubs/motor-city-marauders
what the??? Why is motor city Marauders listed under the clubs and groups, but not MM.net???
http://racing.ford.com/enthusiasts/clubs/motor-city-marauders
Where do you see that at???
Your link just go's to the home page.
Bluerauder
10-23-2012, 02:57 PM
I just ran across this a few days ago. The Marauder is termed "Collector Car" on Ford Racing's web site.
here is the link.
"... the Mercury Marauder retains a passionate club following."
That must be US. ;)
Chayton
10-23-2012, 03:12 PM
Where do you see that at???
Your link just go's to the home page.
near the bottom
http://racing.ford.com/enthusiasts/clubs
Ms. Denmark
10-23-2012, 03:33 PM
"... the Mercury Marauder retains a passionate club following."
That must be US. ;) It SHOULD be.... but actually they list MCM. We are not mentioned although we are clearly more passionate.:cool:
don't get me wrong, I really love the Marauder...that's why I bought one back in '04.....to call it a collector car means nothing to me....doesn't make it better or more valuable...it was a limited production car because it didn't sell..... Marauder should have been marketed and sold the way Steve Babcock envisioned it ....Mercury is gone :( because of Ford Motor Companies ineptitude and mismanagement....
MOTOWN
10-23-2012, 03:53 PM
don't get me wrong, I really love the Marauder...that's why I bought one back in '04.....to call it a collector car means nothing to me....doesn't make it better or more valuable...it was a limited production car because it didn't sell..... Marauder should have been marketed and sold the way Steve Babcock envisioned it ....Mercury is gone :( because of Ford Motor Companies ineptitude and mismanagement....
I partially agree with your statement, but even if the car came S/C the way Babcock wanted it, it still wouldnt have done well because the Marauder was dead on arrival!
The platform had been around for years, it was big, wayyy to heavy and even in its hey day the panther platforms main appeal was and is today to Senior citizens, and Law enforcement
I love the MARAUDER but it is what it is!
WhatsUpDOHC
10-23-2012, 03:53 PM
Can we get Hagerty insurance now???
I'm calling tomorrow!
I agree - Who do we know in Ford? MM.net should be represented.
I'm calling tomorrow!
I agree - Who do we know in Ford? MM.net should be represented.
Theres 1 Maryland guy here that has Hagerty insurance.
His name is John and he's in Maryland.
WhatsUpDOHC
10-23-2012, 04:18 PM
The Ford Racing web site notes MCM.com as the "Official Club Website". :mad:
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stevengerard
10-23-2012, 04:19 PM
American model insurance will cover our cars for stated value.
I'm glad to see this and its cool but I too am skeptical about how "collectable" these cars will be. And a Ford website naming the Marauder as collectable is like me saying I'm a genius... or handsome
And a Ford website naming the Marauder as collectable is like me saying I'm a genius... or handsome
LMMFAO!!!!!! :laugh: :rofl:
:drink:
fastblackmerc
10-23-2012, 04:48 PM
what the??? Why is motor city Marauders listed under the clubs and groups, but not MM.net???
http://racing.ford.com/enthusiasts/clubs/motor-city-marauders
It SHOULD be.... but actually they list MCM. We are not mentioned although we are clearly more passionate.:cool:
I'm calling tomorrow!
I agree - Who do we know in Ford? MM.net should be represented.
The Ford Racing web site notes MCM.com as the "Official Club Website". :mad:
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MCM is listed as the "Official Club Website" because they are the ones who pushed Ford to recognize the Marauders as a "special" vehicle. Without their hard work you wouldn't see this article nor would you be able to obtain the nice Ford Performance Group certificates.
dohc324ci
10-23-2012, 04:50 PM
They listed the SVT Contour and Focus as "Collector" cars too.
WhatsUpDOHC
10-23-2012, 04:55 PM
They listed the SVT Contour and Focus as "Collector" cars too.
I'm gonna hunt some down before their prices go through the roof!!
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Comin' in Hot
10-23-2012, 05:09 PM
They still have the color name for the blues wrong, I'm going to call them about this
MOTOWN
10-23-2012, 05:13 PM
They still have the color name for the blues wrong, I'm going to call them about this
LMAO!!!!:lol:
vegasmarauder
10-23-2012, 05:22 PM
In the late 70's my brother and I bought these Mustangs that were "customized" by some guy named Carroll Shelby. The parts had been discontinued by Ford for a few years and most of them had been driven hard and were damaged and had blown engines. We bought them because they were different. Fixed them up and enjoyed them for more than 20 years until some fools (we thought) offered a boatload (to us) of money for them.
The MM's are following the same path. Limited production, hard to repair when damaged, driven hard, etc, etc. No saying they will rise to the status of the Shelby's, but I can tell you when we had them quite a few people told us were stupid to buy a "modified" Mustang That no one wanted to fix.
I see anywhere from 1 to 5 MM's in wrecker auctions each week all over the US. They are too expensive for insurance companies to fix...same problem the Shelby Mustangs had 35 years ago....So if I can just enjoy mine for the next 25 years?????
WhatsUpDOHC
10-23-2012, 05:35 PM
Great perspective, Vegas (LVM?)!
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Chayton
10-23-2012, 05:47 PM
MCM is listed as the "Official Club Website" because they are the ones who pushed Ford to recognize the Marauders as a "special" vehicle. Without their hard work you wouldn't see this article nor would you be able to obtain the nice Ford Performance Group certificates.
I didnt mean that they shouldnt be listed! I meant that MM.net should atleast be listed beside them.
B.C. Bake
10-23-2012, 06:19 PM
In the late 70's my brother and I bought these Mustangs that were "customized" by some guy named Carroll Shelby. The parts had been discontinued by Ford for a few years and most of them had been driven hard and were damaged and had blown engines. We bought them because they were different. Fixed them up and enjoyed them for more than 20 years until some fools (we thought) offered a boatload (to us) of money for them.
The MM's are following the same path. Limited production, hard to repair when damaged, driven hard, etc, etc. No saying they will rise to the status of the Shelby's, but I can tell you when we had them quite a few people told us were stupid to buy a "modified" Mustang That no one wanted to fix.
I see anywhere from 1 to 5 MM's in wrecker auctions each week all over the US. They are too expensive for insurance companies to fix...same problem the Shelby Mustangs had 35 years ago....So if I can just enjoy mine for the next 25 years?????
+1.......:beer:
ajdereicup
10-23-2012, 07:59 PM
They list the new SHO as collectible too...
fastblackmerc
10-24-2012, 03:49 AM
I didnt mean that they shouldnt be listed! I meant that MM.net should atleast be listed beside them.
And why is that? MCM did all the work with Ford.
babbage
10-24-2012, 10:36 AM
http://racing.ford.com/enthusiasts/collector-vehicles/mercury/
I love the background image on that page - Those aren't brake marks!
http://racing.ford.com/templates/ngassets/img/shared/bkgd-global.jpg
Ms. Denmark
10-24-2012, 12:22 PM
And why is that? MCM did all the work with Ford. MCM got them to issue a limited production certificate. Was it also MCM who got Ford to classify the Marauder a collector car? I don't know so I'm asking. I would also say that Ford could do a little research to see what clubs are out there supporting the Marauder. Afterall, they listed 5-6 pony clubs. MM.net isn't hard to find. That's not taking anything away from MCM.
Granddaddy Marq
10-24-2012, 12:28 PM
Is it just me or is it only the 04's that are collectable? Is that how I'm reading this?
Chayton
10-24-2012, 12:30 PM
MCM got them to issue a limited production certificate. Was it also MCM who got Ford to classify the Marauder a collector car? I don't know so I'm asking. I would also say that Ford could do a little research to see what clubs are out there supporting the Marauder. Afterall, they listed 5-6 pony clubs. MM.net isn't hard to find. That's not taking anything away from MCM.
I completely agree with this. When I first found out about the Marauder I googled it and this is the first site I found.
Bluerauder
10-24-2012, 12:50 PM
Is it just me or is it only the 04's that are collectable? Is that how I'm reading this?
Yep, they only titled it as 2004 Mercury Marauder and only gave the production stats for the 2004 MM. That means the 2003 MMs are just SOL. ;) I seem to recall that the 2004 MM was also listed once or twice on the most stolen vehicle list .... so I guess it all balances out in the end. :P
stevengerard
10-24-2012, 01:38 PM
no you can go up to the top and select 2003 - its just not clear
Ms. Denmark
10-24-2012, 02:02 PM
Is it just me or is it only the 04's that are collectable? Is that how I'm reading this? Why, yes!!!:coolman: :beatnik:
no you can go up to the top and select 2003 - its just not clear
Oh! You gave it way! LOL :P
bill64
10-24-2012, 02:08 PM
no you can go up to the top and select 2003 - its just not clear
and to add a quote from the 2003 page..." the svt- developed naturally aspirated 4.6-liter dohc was made available for use in the marauder and the mach-1"....so i guess you can lay to rest the arguement against putting any svt stickers on a mm
fastblackmerc
10-24-2012, 02:29 PM
MCM got them to issue a limited production certificate. Was it also MCM who got Ford to classify the Marauder a collector car? I don't know so I'm asking. I would also say that Ford could do a little research to see what clubs are out there supporting the Marauder. Afterall, they listed 5-6 pony clubs. MM.net isn't hard to find. That's not taking anything away from MCM.
The problem was Ford didn't want to to anything..... There was alot of work just getting Ford to recognize the Marauder as a "special" vehicle.
http://www.motorcitymarauders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7635
fastblackmerc
10-24-2012, 02:31 PM
and to add a quote from the 2003 page..." the svt- developed naturally aspirated 4.6-liter dohc was made available for use in the marauder and the mach-1"....so i guess you can lay to rest the arguement against putting any svt stickers on a mm
I don't think so......
The Marauder never got the full SVT treatment. I believe it never went through the SVT shop at Ford.
bill64
10-24-2012, 02:57 PM
I don't think so......
The Marauder never got the full SVT treatment. I believe it never went through the SVT shop at Ford.
well according to the link the engine was developed by svt, and made avaiable to the mach 1 and marauder for 03'-04' model years.....
fastblackmerc
10-24-2012, 03:09 PM
well according to the link the engine was developed by svt, and made avaiable to the mach 1 and marauder for 03'-04' model years.....
Don't see any year Marauder listed....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Vehicle_Team
Right from Ford's website..... no Marauders listed here either......
http://racing.ford.com/enthusiasts/collector-vehicles/svt/
With your reasoning putting an SVT badge on a non-SVT vehicle makes it an SVT vehicle since the badge was made by SVT....
Krytin
10-24-2012, 03:18 PM
The original dealer literature listed Rousch as a developer on the engine for the Marauder. I called Rousch right after I purchased mine in July '02 and they truely could not be less interested in a Mercury Marauder. They had no plans or interest in providing any form of performance upgrade for the Marauder - ever!
So I won't be hanging any Rousch stickers on my car either!
bill64
10-24-2012, 03:34 PM
Don't see any year Marauder listed....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Vehicle_Team
Right from Ford's website..... no Marauders listed here either......
http://racing.ford.com/enthusiasts/collector-vehicles/svt/
With your reasoning putting an SVT badge on a non-SVT vehicle makes it an SVT vehicle since the badge was made by SVT....
no, not at all. if you read the origional link on the 03' marauder it clearley states the engine was developed by the svt team for use in the cobra (supercharged) and the mach 1, and the marauder. it has a engine developed by svt....thats all. unless you dont belive the ford link or did not read it oh well thats up to you .
fastblackmerc
10-24-2012, 03:44 PM
no, not at all. if you read the origional link on the 03' marauder it clearley states the engine was developed by the svt team for use in the cobra (supercharged) and the mach 1, and the marauder. it has a engine developed by svt....thats all. unless you dont belive the ford link or did not read it oh well thats up to you .
OK, so the Ford link that lists all the SVT vehicles and doesn't specify a Marauder is wrong also?
Here is the SVT teams mission:
"Once the team was assembled, SVT was charged to develop and market factory high-performance "halo" vehicles that would add luster to the company's lineup – or "Polish the Ford Oval." To that end, the team focused on creating limited-production cars and trucks with balanced performance attributes – vehicles that stop as well as they accelerate, ride as well as they handle and, above all, are fun to drive."
A stock Marauder doesn't stop well, doesn't accelerate well and doesn't handle well. That's why we do brake upgrades, engine and drive train upgrades and suspension upgrades.
The Marauder was a "parts bin" car.... made with stuff they had leftover.
If it was a legitimate SVT vehicle it would have been marketed as such.
bill64
10-24-2012, 03:56 PM
OK, so the Ford link that lists all the SVT vehicles and doesn't specify a Marauder is wrong also?
Here is the SVT teams mission:
"Once the team was assembled, SVT was charged to develop and market factory high-performance "halo" vehicles that would add luster to the company's lineup – or "Polish the Ford Oval." To that end, the team focused on creating limited-production cars and trucks with balanced performance attributes – vehicles that stop as well as they accelerate, ride as well as they handle and, above all, are fun to drive."
A stock Marauder doesn't stop well, doesn't accelerate well and doesn't handle well. That's why we do brake upgrades, engine and drive train upgrades and suspension upgrades.
The Marauder was a "parts bin" car.... made with stuff they had leftover.
If it was a legitimate SVT vehicle it would have been marketed as such.
I have never said the marauder was an entire svt vehicle, just the engine was a svt developed design for use in the mach-1, cobra and marauder (03-04 model years) and of corse the cobra had an iron block and was supercharged for the model year's 03-04. thats it ....enough allready
The Marauder engine was based on the Cobra engine, but there were significant differences including cams and intake. It was the regular Ford engine folks that did the design and made these changes, not SVT. The Cobra engine was just one more of the parts from the bin. The fact that it uses a limo rear end doesn't make it a limo. While I understand you are not calling it an SVT, I think you are implying a greater link than actually exists.
justbob
10-24-2012, 04:38 PM
One important note. The Marauder is not a Ford, therefor it never even qualified for SVT...
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Bluerauder
10-24-2012, 04:41 PM
A stock Marauder doesn't stop well, doesn't accelerate well and doesn't handle well.
Well now I feel like I wasted my money on this POS. I'll probably just get rid of it now. :rolleyes: Can't figure out how I've been happy with it for these past 9 years. ;)
WhatsUpDOHC
10-24-2012, 05:01 PM
A stock Marauder doesn't stop well, doesn't accelerate well and doesn't handle well.
It doesn't go and it doesn't stop.
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SC Cheesehead
10-24-2012, 05:52 PM
The Marauder engine was based on the Cobra engine, but there were significant differences including cams and intake. It was the regular Ford engine folks that did the design and made these changes, not SVT. The Cobra engine was just one more of the parts from the bin. The fact that it uses a limo rear end doesn't make it a limo. While I understand you are not calling it an SVT, I think you are implying a greater link than actually exists.
One important note. The Marauder is not a Ford, therefor it never even qualified for SVT...
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Yup, and yup.
vegasmarauder
10-24-2012, 09:39 PM
I was at MMV 1 in Dallas in September 2003. In thh Q & A with Steve SVT was mentioned. SVT declined to work on the MM project before it was a prototype because... #1: SVT didn't do automatic transmission cars..period (in 2002-2003) and.. #2: it was too big and heavy a car to make perform up to SVT standards. Mercury engineers got the Ford blessing to contract out to Rousch the drive train development portion, but they had to use as many off the shelf Ford parts as possible (Lightening Trucks and Cobra etc). That's where most of the supercharger kit came from. In early kits the parts still had Ford part number tags on them. Since this was a contract to Rousch and those contracts are usually highly confidential, I can see why Rousch won't (or can't) support the MM upgrade after purchase. There's a big long involved story on how the supercharger kits came to be even.
While Rousch may have worked with SVT (on the sly) on the drive train, I don't think SVT should get credit for developing it when they could have ended up killing the project from the start by declining to participate (and the MM project was almost cancelled because of SVT).
Maybe someone at Ford is re-writing history (or forgot it) or making it more palatable to keep harmony within the company, but SVT did not have a part in the MM in my opinion.
I do like the work they do on Mustangs and everything else tho...
Chayton
10-24-2012, 10:49 PM
OK, so the Ford link that lists all the SVT vehicles and doesn't specify a Marauder is wrong also?
Here is the SVT teams mission:
"Once the team was assembled, SVT was charged to develop and market factory high-performance "halo" vehicles that would add luster to the company's lineup – or "Polish the Ford Oval." To that end, the team focused on creating limited-production cars and trucks with balanced performance attributes – vehicles that stop as well as they accelerate, ride as well as they handle and, above all, are fun to drive."
A stock Marauder doesn't stop well, doesn't accelerate well and doesn't handle well. That's why we do brake upgrades, engine and drive train upgrades and suspension upgrades.
The Marauder was a "parts bin" car.... made with stuff they had leftover.
If it was a legitimate SVT vehicle it would have been marketed as such.
"Ford’s vision for Mercury included improved ride, handling, stopping distance, internal noise and added styling."
Tis a shame they didn't continue their vision?
jerrym3
10-25-2012, 10:02 AM
Most cars that are in good condition after 25 years will likely become collector cars, but very few get into the Shelby Cobra, 55/56/57 TBird, 55/56/57 Chevy, Hemi Challenger icon class.
My 2003 TBird will become a collector car someday, but never in the class of those cars above.
If Ford never brings back the Thunderbird name, that might give my car a little extra boost, but it will never be a real contender. (Unfortunately, I will not be around to see if I've guessed right or wrong.)
Even my 64 Galaxie 500XL will never see that level of collector interest, and she'll be 50 years old in 14 months.
So, IMHO, the Marauders will do better than 25 year old Crown Vics and Merc Grand Marquis, but that's about it.
WhatsUpDOHC
10-25-2012, 10:03 AM
If a Marauder is used in a popular movie, whole different story.
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Comin' in Hot
10-25-2012, 12:01 PM
If a Marauder is used in a popular movie, whole different story.
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So we're making a movie!!!!! I hope it's called Pound Cake!!!
stevengerard
10-25-2012, 01:15 PM
I was at MMV 1 in Dallas in September 2003. In thh Q & A with Steve SVT was mentioned. SVT declined to work on the MM project before it was a prototype because...
I don't remember these details when he spoke again at MV10 but I am pretty sure I did NOT hear that SVT WAS involved. I did hear it was very difficult for Steve to get this car through but no mention of SVT being involved at all.
I love this car and am an original owner, hope to be for years to come, many cars are better now and when I get the chance to buy a new car I hope I can keep this one. I along with most hope it does become a collector car. I also do not think it matters that it is a parts bin car or not - it is limited production and unique. In today's world we have a better chance of a 4-door being collectable than in the past. As an Olds enthusiast I will tell you the very rare 1970 4-door cutlass with 3 on the tree and no AC is worth about $1,500. Rarity, as mentioned, doesn't always equate to valuable.
STEPS
10-25-2012, 01:58 PM
I agree "it is what it is" lets enjoy it
WhatsUpDOHC
10-25-2012, 02:35 PM
So we're making a movie!!!!! I hope it's called Pound Cake!!!
I said popular.
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jerrym3
10-25-2012, 05:38 PM
I'm pretty sure that Gene Hackman drove (carjacked) a mid size Pontiac in The French Connection.
And, a POS Plymouth Valiant was the star car in "Duel".
Neither car became very popular.
The car has to be the right car to become popular. Doesn't even have to be a chase scene movie.
(James Dean's Merc, McQueen's Bullitt Mustang (chase), "Gone in 60 Seconds" (chase), even the late 50's red Plymouth in "Christine", etc.)
(Google "best car chase movies". Very interesting.)
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