Zack's Turbo MM Build!

[ctrlraven]

You can follow it via this link over at The Chicago Garage http://www.thechicagogarage.com/forum/marauder-tech/126094-marauder-turbo-project-thread.html

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn306/Marauder-Z/Blue%20MM%20Rebuild/100_3731.jpg

This thread is to only be about discussion with turbo related MM stuff, save the Zack bashing or BS for some other website please.

This thread is only to discussion and keep up with the progress of his turbo build.

Thank you.

[MOTOWN]

Looks like a sweet project in the making!

[DOOM]

Zack is the man!

Leave it to him to take a 10 year old car on a DEAD PLATFORM and still be able to do new and exciting things with it!

Now here we are with another forced induction option!

Can't wait to see the finished product AND NUMBERS! :beer:

[ctrlraven]

Zack is the man!

Leave it to him to take a 10 year old car on a DEAD PLATFORM and still be able to do new and exciting things with it!

Now here we are with another forced induction option!

Can't wait to see the finished product AND NUMBERS! :beer:
Another FI option would only be if he could reproduce everything he does to his and make it a workable option for someone else to put together.

I know I would save my pennies up again and have him do something like this for my future 5.0 big bore build.

[Blk04MM]

Another FI option would only be if he could reproduce everything he does to his and make it a workable option for someone else to put together.

I know I would save my pennies up again and have him do something like this for my future 5.0 big bore build.

He isn't willing to reproduce?

[DOOM]

He isn't willing to reproduce?

Money talks!

[Baaad GN]

Ya know it appears the site has mended fences with the Michigan group somewhat and had some of them attend the Michigan event this last fall and Zack was there and we all survived. To be honest I miss his info and wish that the powers to be would let him post on here again. We miss a lot unless we go to the other site and I'd rather not do it.
If you want to trash me on this don't waste the nasty comments in these postings but rather send them to me direct so I can tell you how I really feel with out it being deleted!
Sorry miss his posts a lot!!!!!!!

[justbob]

He isn't willing to reproduce?

No, he has never once admired children. Fact.


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[Mike M]

Zack is ok by me, always a help.

[ajdereicup]

This is going to be awesome. I've been watching that thread very closely

[MrBluGruv]

No, he has never once admired children. Fact.


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[marauder21]

No, he has never once admired children. Fact.


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:agree: Zack is the man! Still talking about him even though he is not here..lol but his build...AMAZING :bows:

[Blk04MM]

Money talks!

Indeed. I wonder if this can be done for around the price of the eaton swap or even cheaper


No, he has never once admired children. Fact.


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Lol

[DOOM]

Indeed. I wonder if this can be done for around the price of the eaton swap or even cheaper


I seriously doubt it!

[PonyUP]

Indeed. I wonder if this can be done for around the price of the eaton swap or even cheaper



Lol

I doubt it can be done as cheap, but knowing the man putting it in, you get what you pay for which will be one hell of a fast and dependable Marsuder.

Zack impresses me so much through this, he was never deterred from the minute Blue came to Louisville.

His first words "time for turbo"


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[SC Cheesehead]

Indeed. I wonder if this can be done for around the price of the eaton swap or even cheaper



Lol



I seriously doubt it!


+1

Quote from Zack, "First off, I now understand why turbo systems cost so much. I give a ton of credit to the guys who make artwork out of pipes....**** aint easy.

It took me about 10-12 hours just to accomplish what you will see in the following pictures. Anyone thinking about doing a DIY turbo in your Marauder, I strongly suggest you to reconsider!"

If the Zackmeiester's busting his balls to build the set-up, I guarantee it's a tough job...

[a_d_a_m]

Zack makes my Marauder tingle in its naughty spot.

[SC Cheesehead]

zack makes my marauder tingle in its naughty spot.



tmi.......

;) -----------> :D

[a_d_a_m]

I don't even know where my car's naughty spot is...

[Haggis]

I don't even know where my car's naughty spot is...

Don't lie, yes you do. ;)

[sailsmen]

It will be interesting to see who tunes it.

I am also curious how the under hood temps will be addressed. A turbo is one giant heat sink.

[guspech750]

It will be interesting to see who tunes it.

I am also curious how the under hood temps will be addressed. A turbo is one giant heat sink.

I'm going to say I think Tim Barth at Mr Norms Garage will tune it.


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DTR + 4.10's + Eaton swap = Wreeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom

[Baaad GN]

I think Zack said he will be wrapping all the exhaust so heat might not be a big issue, of course there will be more but not to much more than a supercharger. seems the hardest issue is space and it appears he has worked his magic around that, can you reproduce those pipes in large numbers it appears will be the biggest issue, hear again form an onlooker so just my opinion.

[Vortech347]

That cross over pipe looks horrible.

[a_d_a_m]

Horrible or not, I bet it's fast.

[screamn]

Subscribing to this thread!!!!

I agree, I wish the "Powers.......Mods" of this site would allow Zack to return.

But.......

Maybe, if Zack were allowed back to this site, he might not even accept the invitation??????

[marauder21]

Subscribing to this thread!!!!

I agree, I wish the "Powers.......Mods" of this site would allow Zack to return.

But.......

Maybe, if Zack were allowed back to this site, he might not even accept the invitation??????

Id bet He wouldn't..

[guspech750]

That cross over pipe looks horrible.

Ummmmm, you do realize they are not finished yet?


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[Vortech347]

Ummmmm, you do realize they are not finished yet?


What else is to be done other than weld up the seams and get it coated?

[guspech750]

What else is to be done other than weld up the seams and get it coated?

Exactly. I was questioning your comment on how horrible they look. Of course they look like crap now. Gotta wait for the finished product man.


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[Vortech347]

Exactly. I was questioning your comment on how horrible they look. Of course they look like crap now. Gotta wait for the finished product man.


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DTR + 4.10's + Eaton swap = Wreeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom

I was referring to size, flow, the Y, ect. not cosmetic condition. I've known my way around a few turbo kits. :D

Besides, if you can't take options don't post your stuff on the internets for all to see.

[BODYMAN]

What else is to be done other than weld up the seams and get it coated?

Anyone who knows Zacks work, knows those pipes along with everything else will all look absolutely perfect when the job is finished. Alot can be done to them with some dress work.

Like others mentioned Zack is the **** always amazing everybody with the stuff he does. Not to mention his willingness to help others is second to none. He's the kind of person you want as a good friend.

[screamn]

:popcorn:.....

Looks like this post is turning south.....and Mods are going to lock it up!!!! :mad2:

Would like to keep it up and running to see the final results!!!!!!

[Vortech347]

Anyone who knows Zacks work, knows those pipes along with everything else will all look absolutely perfect when the job is finished. Alot can be done to them with some dress work.

Like others mentioned Zack is the **** always amazing everybody with the stuff he does. Not to mention his willingness to help others is second to none. He's the kind of person you want as a good friend.

His tune made my car run like ass. The torque converter tables were all screwed up. So I wouldn't refer to him as the Jesus some of you do.

[a_d_a_m]

Looks like this post is turning south.....and Mods are going to lock it up!!!! :mad2:

Would like to keep it up and running to see the final results!!!!!! As long as nobody starts making personal attacks I don't see why it should be.

Vortech347 voiced an opinion and a few people disagreed with it. No big deal.


His tune made my car run like ass. The torque converter tables were all screwed up. So I wouldn't refer to him as the Jesus some of you do. On second thought...

[Vortech347]

Vortech347 voiced an opinion and a few people disagreed with it. No big deal.

Agree'd, can't handle an opinion on a computer screen with text you should turn off the computer and go see where your big boy pants are. :D

[guspech750]

I was referring to size, flow, the Y, ect. not cosmetic condition. I've known my way around a few turbo kits. :D

Besides, if you can't take options don't post your stuff on the internets for all to see.

Gotcha. Well that's quite different than "those pipes look horrible". Now I see where you are coming from.


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[a_d_a_m]

I wouldn't refer to him as the Jesus some of you do. Zack raised many cars from the dead, including Dom (Motorhead350)'s - that in and of itself is miraculous if you ever saw the build thread on that pile of parts. Many of us feel that his almost divine intervention has helped our cars become better Marauders. Zack is hated by some, and was persecuted for the things he said.

I see a lot of parallels... :lol:

[Vortech347]

Zack raised many cars from the dead, including Dom (Motorhead350)'s - that in and of itself is miraculous if you ever saw the build thread on that pile of parts. Many of us feel that his almost divine intervention has helped our cars become better Marauders. Zack is hated by some, and was persecuted for the things he said.

I see a lot of parallels... :lol:

Building DOHC's is like putting together lego's. I've built up DOHC's, SOHC's, and way to many pushrod engines over the years. It isn't hard.

The difference is most people in this community think spark plugs are mods. Which I think is why so many hold him in such high regard.

[a_d_a_m]

...clearly you didn't see find the intended humor in my post.

[Vortech347]

...clearly you didn't see find the intended humor in my post.

I did. ;)

It was good.

[TUXrauder]

Well, not my favorite option, but an option... Put them underneath....

Heat issues taken care of, space under hood it taken care of, far less piping...

But cant see your investment with the hood up!!!!

[Vortech347]

That is sexy. Who's car is that?

[TUXrauder]

Its sexy if you can look under her skirt huh!!!!

[Vortech347]

Its sexy if you can look under her skirt huh!!!!

Yes, best part with good twins, no lag. Any idea who's it is? Its also sleeper like too. My friend has a GTO with an ATS kit and the twins are like that. It looks totally stock.

[TUXrauder]

That is sexy. Who's car is that?

thats under a GM, Vette to be exact.

Heat sheilds already down there, tons of advantages to putting down there except the view....

But here is a pic of what it could look like (well kinda, location anyhow) under our hoods.

[LANDY]

I was referring to size, flow, the Y, ect. not cosmetic condition. I've known my way around a few turbo kits. :D

Besides, if you can't take options don't post your stuff on the internets for all to see.
Lol really? Ok tell us how the way those pipes are made will restrict flow.(the most important part of all this) also without spending a million dollars tell us how you would build it better.

[Blk04MM]

I just read his update on the build and he's only a little over 2k for all he has done now. And said he could've got piping for cheaper. That sounds good to me. I've even seen the turbo go for less then 1k(what he paid)

correct me if im wrong but seems like someone who has the thought process, access to do the bending, welding & cutting can get it done for about 3,500-4k tops plus tune/dyno

I believe someone said a turbo is a heat soaker. My question is WHAT BLOWER ISN'T? And that's a serious question

[LANDY]

Turbo is the best power adder PERIOD!

[Dj1]

Turbo is the best power adder PERIOD!

+1

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[ctrlraven]

And this is EXACTLY why I didn't want post this thread on here...

[sailsmen]

I just read his update on the build and he's only a little over 2k for all he has done now. And said he could've got piping for cheaper. That sounds good to me. I've even seen the turbo go for less then 1k(what he paid)

correct me if im wrong but seems like someone who has the thought process, access to do the bending, welding & cutting can get it done for about 3,500-4k tops plus tune/dyno

I believe someone said a turbo is a heat soaker. My question is WHAT BLOWER ISN'T? And that's a serious question

Having owned and raced both Turbos and S/C I can tell you what I have experienced.
An S/C housing is made of AL, driven by a belt vs driven by exhaust gases and does not glow like Dante's Inferno. If a Turbo housing were made of AL it would melt.
See Pic
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/hot_turbo2_ezr.jpg (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/22130)

On one Turbo car every thing under the hood that was not made of metal was destroyed by the Turbo heat.

[PonyUP]

And this is EXACTLY why I didn't want post this thread on here...

No kidding, lets follow the build. Opinions of Zack don't need to appear. If you don't like him, there's multiple other threads a day to read

I for one am very interested in seeing this build and following the progress.

If you saw the car when it first happened, and to see where it's at now and where it's going to be, it's nothing short of a miracle with a hell of a lot of determination.

Like him or hate him, you have to respect what he does to Marauders and what he does for other owners


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[Blk04MM]

Having owned and raced both Turbos and S/C I can tell you what I have experienced.
An S/C housing is made of AL, driven by a belt vs driven by exhaust gases and does not glow like Dante's Inferno. If a Turbo housing were made of AL it would melt.
See Pic
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/hot_turbo2_ezr.jpg (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/22130)

On one Turbo car every thing under the hood that was not made of metal was destroyed by the Turbo heat.


That thing is definitely glowing. But isn't that's what the turbo heat shield is for?
You must have to really be in boost for it to get like that right? Normal driving and some sprints here and there can't get that hot. Or can it?

[DOOM]

And this is EXACTLY why I didn't want post this thread on here...

That's why I didn't post it up on here! :shake:

[screamn]

No kidding, lets follow the build. Opinions of Zack don't need to appear. If you don't like him, there's multiple other threads a day to read

I for one am very interested in seeing this build and following the progress.

If you saw the car when it first happened, and to see where it's at now and where it's going to be, it's nothing short of a miracle with a hell of a lot of determination.

Like him or hate him, you have to respect what he does to Marauders and what he does for other owners


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+1 ^^^^^.

Wish Zack would pay a visit to Honolulu or lived here......I'd ask him to look at my Rauder and recommend any upgrades/mods.

Hell, I would like to have that turbo on my Rauder installed by him!

Just my $0.02.....

[Shaijack]

My opinions are mine and do not reflect others opinions.
Approved by Shaijack.

[sailsmen]

That thing is definitely glowing. But isn't that's what the turbo heat shield is for?
You must have to really be in boost for it to get like that right? Normal driving and some sprints here and there can't get that hot. Or can it?

Man pay attention. A Turbo is driven by exhaust gases. Try to just touch the exhaust mfg after driving your car around for just a second if you don't believe me.;)

[Blk04MM]

Man pay attention. A Turbo is driven by exhaust gases. Try to just touch the exhaust mfg after driving your car around for just a second if you don't believe me.;)

Man shut up. I asked a simple question not for a smart "man pay attention" remark. I know exhaust gases are hot being that I never owned a turbo I wouldn't know so that's the point of ASKING. I thought it would be coated or what not to keep from glowing so much which would melt everything near to it.

[DOOM]

Calm it down guys before this thread gets shut down for a stupid reason!

[Blk04MM]

Calm it down guys before this thread gets shut down for a stupid reason!

I'm calm ... :beer:

[sailsmen]

Man shut up. I asked a simple question not for a smart "man pay attention" remark. I know exhaust gases are hot being that I never owned a turbo I wouldn't know so that's the point of ASKING. I thought it would be coated or what not to keep from glowing so much which would melt everything near to it.
"I believe someone said a turbo is a heat soaker. My question is WHAT BLOWER ISN'T? And that's a serious question"

Don't ask me questions, then don't pay attention to the answers and then tell me to "shut up".

If you don't want answers then don't ask questions!

How can anything someone with my Avatar be taken as an insult particularly when using the word man or the phrase man pay attention. You and I must be from 2 different generations. If you ever watched the movie the Big Lebowski you would have a different perspective.

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

Who cares what the crossover pipe looks like, its way faster than stock and it's a daily driver. I don't see anyone else pioneering anything with regards to turbo builds on the MM, especially not at this low of a cost.

[Blk04MM]

"I believe someone said a turbo is a heat soaker. My question is WHAT BLOWER ISN'T? And that's a serious question"

Don't ask me questions, then don't pay attention to the answers and then tell me to "shut up".

If you don't want answers then don't ask questions!

How can anything someone with my Avatar be taken as an insult particularly when using the word man or the phrase man pay attention. You and I must be from 2 different generations. If you ever watched the movie the Big Lebowski you would have a different perspective.


1. "Man pay attention" isn't an answer

But ok. Definitely not about to go back and forth. Not worth it at all and not about to get this locked up over it. Enjoy your night

[NTHE10s]

It will be interesting to see who tunes it.

I am also curious how the under hood temps will be addressed. A turbo is one giant heat sink.

as long as he uses a good turbo heat sheld and wrap a few or all of those pipes it should not be an issue.

i put about 80k miles on my turbo setup and have my turbo right up front by the alt. and havent had any heat issues with any on the plastic, wries, or even the belt that is 3" away from exhaust side of turbo.

looks to be a good build so far. looking forward to seeing the project completed.
Rich

[Blk04MM]

as long as he uses a good turbo heat sheld and wrap a few or all of those pipes it should not be an issue.

i put about 80k miles on my turbo setup and have my turbo right up front by the alt. and havent had any heat issues with any on the plastic, wries, or even the belt that is 3" away from exhaust side of turbo.

looks to be a good build so far. looking forward to seeing the project completed.
Rich

....... :beer:

[sailsmen]

as long as he uses a good turbo heat sheld and wrap a few or all of those pipes it should not be an issue.

i put about 80k miles on my turbo setup and have my turbo right up front by the alt. and havent had any heat issues with any on the plastic, wries, or even the belt that is 3" away from exhaust side of turbo.

looks to be a good build so far. looking forward to seeing the project completed.
Rich
One of the Turbos I had was an OEM and by 15K miles the heat damage had already been done. We then wrapped every thing, including adding two NACA Ducts to exhaust the heat and adding other heat exhausting ducts.
Belts were luck to last 10K miles even the WS Fluid Reservoir had to be replaced.
The Turbos lasted 30K.

Absolutely no heat damage from any S/C on any unit I have had.

[sailsmen]

1. "Man pay attention" isn't an answer

But ok. Definitely not about to go back and forth. Not worth it at all and not about to get this locked up over it. Enjoy your night

Man you obviously were not alive in 1969!

[CWright]

I am interested in seeing how this turns out. After meeting Zack in person and seeing and learning more about him and the knowledge he has this will be a top notch setup. I'm subscribing!

[Jon01]

Zack's on the right track. It'd be nice if he'd build some jigs so this stuff could be reproduced to benefit the community. But, after the way folks have treated him I sure wouldn't blame him for not.
Ex:

His tune made my car run like ass. The torque converter tables were all screwed up. So I wouldn't refer to him as the Jesus some of you do.

Did you pay for the tune?
If not, quit bitching.

[NTHE10s]

One of the Turbos I had was an OEM and by 15K miles the heat damage had already been done. We then wrapped every thing, including adding two NACA Ducts to exhaust the heat and adding other heat exhausting ducts.
Belts were luck to last 10K miles even the WS Fluid Reservoir had to be replaced.
The Turbos lasted 30K.

Absolutely no heat damage from any S/C on any unit I have had.

that sucks to hear about your turbo experience but it looks and sounds like he will not have any of those issues.

i can list a ton of reasons why not to S/C but not in this thread. less watch his progess and enjoy.

Rich

[MOTOWN]

Zack's on the right track. It'd be nice if he'd build some jigs so this stuff could be reproduced to benefit the community. But, after the way folks have treated him I sure wouldn't blame him for not.
Ex:


Did you pay for the tune?
If not, quit bitching.

:popcorn::duel:

[Blk04MM]

that sucks to hear about your turbo experience but it looks and sounds like he will not have any of those issues.

i can list a ton of reasons why not to S/C but not in this thread. less watch his progess and enjoy.

Rich

Your signature is BOSS ...:bows:

[1stMerc]

Just remember the eaton swap started out as not obtainable. Now look how many people have them.

Be patient...The Zack will deliver.

[1stMerc]

i can list a ton of reasons why not to S/C but not in this thread. less watch his progess and enjoy.

Rich

Even though i've already s/c'ed i'd be interested in your reasons not to.

[justbob]

They pissed on my rug man!



Thanks Sailsman... Looks like I'll be watching it once again..


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[marauder21]

Just remember the eaton swap started out as not obtainable. Now look how many people have them.

Be patient...The Zack will deliver.

Wait...is this saying Zack in some way made the Eaton swap possible?? Lol :what:

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[yjmud]

It tied the room together
You make a hell of a caucasian Jackie

[a_d_a_m]

I hate the f'n Eagles, man.

[BODYMAN]

Zack's on the right track. It'd be nice if he'd build some jigs so this stuff could be reproduced to benefit the community. But, after the way folks have treated him I sure wouldn't blame him for not.
Ex:


Did you pay for the tune?
If not, quit bitching.

I couldnt agree with you more Jon! But time & time again Zack still helps others out regardless of things that happen, Id say is a example of who he is & the type of person he is.

[SC Cheesehead]

Wait...is this saying Zack in some way made the Eaton swap possible?? Lol :what:

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AFAIK, Zack was the first guy to do an Eaton swap on an OEM engine.

There was another owner that swapped a Cobra Eaton motor into is car, but the frame had to be notched due to clearance issues with the Cobra front skirt.

Zack's also he guy that started the early "eaton swap" threads that documented the swap process and the parts needed (and not needed) for the swap; so yeah, I'd say that Zack's the man.

[MrBluGruv]

Hmmm....

1. I don't know what canned tune is better than Zacks. I had a Lidio tune, and a Lidio tune was AWESOME, but the Zack tune I put on the car afterwards was insane. Shift scheduling felt pretty close, but power was MUCH more noticeable. Case in point: with the Zack tune, there were times where the car would shift into second gear, and while moving THEN break traction some, then come back under the reigns. Neither the stock nor the Lidio tune had that kind of mid-range "umph". I can't speak for the DR tune or the Marty tunes though....

2. I'm not sure many of you folks that keep saying "bring back Zack" get it: it seems to be common wisdom that he DOESN'T EVEN WANT TO COME BACK HERE. If that's not true, then so be it, I'm wrong, but that's what I remember reading/hearing, and I don't get the point in fighting for the passage of someone that doesn't want to return is.

3. To Sailsman: man, what OEM vehicle did you have that destroyed the engine bay with an OEM turbo setup from heat? That's not a dig, I really want to know. I've never heard of that, nor have I heard of properly set up turbo setups being worse for IATs than roots-style blowers. I'll even admit I'm not particularly experienced in the area, I just want to know, because I've never heard of it. Was this a race setup? Or a heavily modified stock setup? Or a stock setup running in factory specifications?

[Jon01]

Having owned and raced both Turbos and S/C I can tell you what I have experienced.
An S/C housing is made of AL, driven by a belt vs driven by exhaust gases and does not glow like Dante's Inferno. If a Turbo housing were made of AL it would melt.
See Pic
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/hot_turbo2_ezr.jpg (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/22130)

On one Turbo car every thing under the hood that was not made of metal was destroyed by the Turbo heat.


I'm not going to argue with you, but you're wrong. 95% of the heat goes right out the downpipe.
I've had a couple turbo Buicks and none of them had issues caused by turbo heat and they were ~20 years old at the time. All the plastic and vinyl vacuum lines were still as pliable as any fox body I've messed with.
My GN was far from stock, it ran 11.20's on pump gas+denatured at 23psi.
Most of the time it didn't even have a heat shield on the turbo or a heat pad on the hood.

If your turbo is glowing like in that pic you're either way lean or you have an injector hung open and the fuel is burning in the manifold/turbo ex housing.

[marauder21]

AFAIK, Zack was the first guy to do an Eaton swap on an OEM engine.

There was another owner that swapped a Cobra Eaton motor into is car, but the frame had to be notched due to clearance issues with the Cobra front skirt.

Zack's also he guy that started the early "eaton swap" threads that documented the swap process and the parts needed (and not needed) for the swap; so yeah, I'd say that Zack's the man.

:eek: seriously? Dam....I did not know that. Zack really is THE Marauder God lol. Man that's crazy forreal, mad respect to this mad genius lmao :beer:

[Joe Walsh]

AFAIK, Zack was the first guy to do an Eaton swap on an OEM engine.

There was another owner that swapped a Cobra Eaton motor into is car, but the frame had to be notched due to clearance issues with the Cobra front skirt.

Zack's also he guy that started the early "eaton swap" threads that documented the swap process and the parts needed (and not needed) for the swap; so yeah, I'd say that Zack's the man.

Rex,
FYI: It was Tom Doan...and I think it was the alternator that interfered with the frame.

[Blk04MM]

I'm not going to argue with you, but you're wrong. 95% of the heat goes right out the downpipe.
I've had a couple turbo Buicks and none of them had issues caused by turbo heat and they were ~20 years old at the time. All the plastic and vinyl vacuum lines were still as pliable as any fox body I've messed with.
My GN was far from stock, it ran 11.20's on pump gas+denatured at 23psi.
Most of the time it didn't even have a heat shield on the turbo or a heat pad on the hood.

If your turbo is glowing like in that pic you're either way lean or you have an injector hung open and the fuel is burning in the manifold/turbo ex housing.

95% wrong. Sheesh. And he did all that trying to tell me to listen.

[SC Cheesehead]

Rex,
FYI: It was Tom Doan...and I think it was the alternator that interfered with the frame.

Yup, Joe, that's what it is. The Cobra front skirt and bracket mount the alternator lower on the front creating the clearance issue.

The Trilogy (and Eaton swap) configuration uses a separate bracket to move relocate the alternator higher up.

[sailsmen]

I'm not going to argue with you, but you're wrong. 95% of the heat goes right out the downpipe.
I've had a couple turbo Buicks and none of them had issues caused by turbo heat and they were ~20 years old at the time. All the plastic and vinyl vacuum lines were still as pliable as any fox body I've messed with.
My GN was far from stock, it ran 11.20's on pump gas+denatured at 23psi.
Most of the time it didn't even have a heat shield on the turbo or a heat pad on the hood.

If your turbo is glowing like in that pic you're either way lean or you have an injector hung open and the fuel is burning in the manifold/turbo ex housing.
What I posted is 100% accurate based on my experience with an OEM Turbo vehicle. Don't think under hood temps can be an issue? Just do a search and see all that pops up, ~1,360,000.
If exhaust gas temps are 1,200*. 5% would be 60*. Then why not grab your turbo housing with your bare hands after some spirited driving?
Why did the vehicle come with OEM super high temp spark plug wires?

Heat: The Blessing and The Curse


hot_turboHeat protection is just as important as harnessing the heat in forced induction cars. Hot exhaust gases spool the turbo, but hot exhaust piping, along with engine heat, contribute to intercooler heat soak, hot fuel lines and other heat related issues that negatively affect performance. Let’s look at proper ways of managing heat under the hood of your Subaru WRX / STI, EVO, or any other forced induction car.

Turbos are spooled by hot exhaust gases. The hotter is your exhaust gas, the quicker will your turbo spool. So you want to harness as much heat as possible before the turbo. To accomplish that, you should either wrap your exhaust manifold (headers) and the up-pipe with thermal wrap, or coat the headers and the up-pipe with ceramic coating. Or do both. Wrapping or ceramic coating the exhaust before the turbo will ensure that the exhaust gases do not cool on the way to the turbo, and spool it quickly. You should still be careful and not run too high of Exhaust Gas Temperatures (EGTs), as high EGTs are not safe. Read more about managing EGTs and how high of EGT is considered safe


Not letting the heat escape before turbo also helps to reduce the overall underhood temperatures.

Once you’ve captured the heat from your exhaust gases in the headers and the up-pipe, and the exhaust gases carried that heat to spool your turbo, you must dissipate the heat post-turbo and not let it rise up and heat soak your intercooler and intake manifold. The best way to accomplish this tricky task would be to shield the top of the turbo hot side and the top of the downpipe to prevent the heat from rising. At the same time you don’t want to heat-shield the bottom of the turbo hot side and the bottom of the downpipe, so the heat would get dissipated by the air under the car. Read about an effective way to heat-shield the top of the turbo hot side and the top of the downpipe towards the bottom of this article

Now that you used insulation to prevent the heat from rising from your turbo hot side and the downpipe, you can move on to other ways of managing heat under your hood. Let’s talk about fuel lines.

It is important to keep the fuel cool because cooler fuel is denser and as a consequence the engine produces more power. High underhood temperatures heat up the fuel in your fuel lines, and the performance suffers. The location of the fuel lines doesn’t help either – on Subaru WRX and STI the fuel lines sit right on top of the hot engine and under the intake manifold – sitting right in the middle of a heat trap.

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Fuel Lines Modification

It is a good idea to do two things – remove your fuel lines from the heat trap formed by the engine and the intake manifold and to heat-shield your fuel lines. If you are installing fuel rails, you will be re-routing the fuel lines and using new fuel lines instead of stock ones. Just route the fuel lines in front of the intake manifold, on top of everything else. You can make it look pretty too, unlike the picture to the right.

Once your fuel lines are on top of everything else, heat-shield them. A good product to use would be HeatShield Products Reflect-A-Sleeve – it is very lightweight and works great. Other thermal hose sleeves would work fine too. And behold – you just got cool fuel going into your engine. A good, functional performance modification.
http://rusubaru.com/heat-management/

[SC Cheesehead]

Spent another scintillating evening over at Zeckyville last night, the Zackmeister built and is installing a PVC catch can on TurboBlue. Here's a couple pics of the mock up. Will be painted a matte black fot the final install.

[Blk04MM]

Spent another scintillating evening over at Zeckyville last night, the Zackmeister built and is installing a PVC catch can on TurboBlue. Here's a couple pics of the mock up. Will be painted a matte black fot the final install.

Sheesh this guy never stops.

[a_d_a_m]

Zack FTMFW.