what is different between kooks headers and stainless works

[marauder004]

hi guys,

I have done supercharged to my mm 2004 and now I'm thinking to get headers so I know there are just two Options
kooks headers and stainless works

I have heard the different between them is the kooks headers 2.5 inch
and stainless work is 3 inch. both are 1 5/8. but I'm not sure

so I need your help which is better for my marauder with supercharger

I think the stainless works will work better if it's really 3 inch :beatnik:

and which have greater voice?

advice me please with your suggestions.:help:


also from where I can get like this marauder god's head

http://im18.gulfup.com/ah5v1.jpg (http://www.gulfup.com/?c1AmPq)

I search on e-bay but i found just like this:
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/steering-wheel-Mercury-Marauder-Gods-Head-emblem-airbag-used-metal-chrome-/00/s/ODM3WDgzNw==/$(KGrHqZ,!ioE+-vsezDTBQKSm55mDg~~60_35.JPG

If someone know where can I found like what you see in the first pic please tell me.

[marauder410]

one is long tubes, kooks is more of a mid length and stainless is full long tubes both will do big improvements so eithier way is a win win

but recently alot of memebrs are going with the stainless bec is a vendor here and there true long tubes and people say the stailnless are a easier fit/install and will see just a little more power with the long tubes

i think i hit it on the head here....maybe someone else will tune you in a little better

im going to be going stainless works this summer and get them hot jet coated is another option to look into

ceramic coating or hot jet coating is highly recommended to keep the heat down bec headers causes alot of heat and will burn any wires that could touch them

[marauder410]

also the godhead badges can be found on ebay or carmotorsports buddy i have the 3 peice set on my car and they look awesomeeee VERY HIGH qualitiy....

http://www.carmotorsports.com/products.php?cat=462

[DOOM]

I wouldn't go with 3 inch pipe unless you're pushing 600HP to the wheels!

[MOTOWN]

I wouldn't go with 3 inch pipe unless you're pushing 600HP to the wheels!

:burnout::burnout::cool4:

[STEPS]

I agree with Doom

[justbob]

You are only limited by your own knowledge, tools, or money. 😊


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[CWright]

I wouldn't go with 3 inch pipe unless you're pushing 600HP to the wheels!


Or close to 600 and planning on hitting it eventually! ;)

[martyo]

If you are interested in the Stainless works, I am a dealer and can set you up with what you would like.

[SC Cheesehead]

If you are interested in the Stainless works, I am a dealer and can set you up with what you would like.

Marty,

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[martyo]

Marty,

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[SC Cheesehead]

PM not received!

Patience, my friend, check again...;)

[martyo]

Patience, my friend, check again...;)

LOL!

Responded!

[na svt]

As far as power is concerened, 1 5/8' long tubes with 32" long primarys and a 2.5" collector are the best option.

[StainlessWorks]

Our Stainless Works setup as stated uses the 1-5/8" primary, 2.5" collector, 3" lead pipes, 3" X-Pipe and 2.5" tailpipes with 3.5" tips. The 2.5" mandrel bent tailpipes allow better clearance over the axle and provided a scavenging effect to provide greater throttle response and a very powerful tone. All material is 304L Stainless Steel which means even the welds will not rust, and it will last forever.

Forgot to mention it sounds awesome!

9z950Yxpaxg

[Curless]

I have used Kooks products before on Vettes, very nice. I have not used Stainless Works...YET, but I did check out their stuff at the Goodguys show in Columbus last year. Very nicely made.

[Loco1234]

Our Stainless Works setup as stated uses the 1-5/8" primary, 2.5" collector, 3" lead pipes, 3" X-Pipe and 2.5" tailpipes with 3.5" tips. The 2.5" mandrel bent tailpipes allow better clearance over the axle and provided a scavenging effect to provide greater throttle response and a very powerful tone. All material is 304L Stainless Steel which means even the welds will not rust, and it will last forever.

Forgot to mention it sounds awesome!

9z950Yxpaxg


Now I have that same full SW exhaust system but w? 3" going over the axle simply because Im pushing well over 600RWHP w/ a built engine & heads pushing 20+psi from a vortec JT-Trim

FYI sounds great & exhaust works great...
Oh & headers can be installed on the engine outside car & dropped in car already on engine... FYI

[MOTOWN]

Now I have that same full SW exhaust system but w? 3" going over the axle simply because Im pushing well over 600RWHP w/ a built engine & heads pushing 20+psi from a vortec JT-Trim

FYI sounds great & exhaust works great...
Oh & headers can be installed on the engine outside car & dropped in car already on engine... FYI

Im in the same situation! i need 3" pipes over the axle for a complete 3" exhaust:mad:

[LANDY]

Guys on these little motors specially a centrifugal car it will actually hurt to run 3" pipe. Your whole bottom end power will go to ****. Been there done that.

[MOTOWN]

Guys on these little motors specially a centrifugal car it will actually hurt to run 3" pipe. Your whole bottom end power will go to ****. Been there done that.

I dont think its so much about cubic inches, but H.P. output, at well over 600RWHP 3" exhaust will be your friend;)

At that H.P. level 2.5" pipe will have too much back pressure

[LANDY]

It has to do with both at certain power levels. on a centri your not always going to be at 600 hp on your power band.

[MOTOWN]

It has to do with both at certain power levels. on a centri your not always going to be at 600 hp on your power band.

Agreed! But you want an exhaust system that allows the motor to perform to it's peak potential, as opposed to one that's a restrictive bottleneck

[LANDY]

Itz not about peak. Its about powerband. I hope you dont learn the hard way.

[na svt]

Itz not about peak. Its about powerband. I hope you dont learn the hard way.

Finally, someone with some sense. It's about average power throughout the RPM range the engine sees. for example, if the engine's RPM range is 3500-6500 in the quarter mile, you should shoot for the highest average power in that area.

Peak power is nice for bragging rights, but if its not backed up with a good amount of midrange hp/tq the combo will not be nearly as quick as it could be...especially when the engine is powering a heavy ass marauder.

A 2.5" exhaust will not bottleneck a 600rwhp combo. The diameter and length of the headers will affect power moreso than the exhaust pipe diameter. IMO, a 32-34" 1 5/8" longtube with a merged 2.5" - 2.25" - 2.5" collector is best for an n/a and low boost Marauder while the 1 3/4" primary with the same collect is beter for higher hp FI combos. The shorties and mid lengths do not have the right scavenging properties for creating good low and mid range tq. 3" and 3.5" collectors are for engines with much larger cubic inches.

[MOTOWN]

Finally, someone with some sense. It's about average power throughout the RPM range the engine sees. for example, if the engine's RPM range is 3500-6500 in the quarter mile, you should shoot for the highest average power in that area.

Peak power is nice for bragging rights, but if its not backed up with a good amount of midrange hp/tq the combo will not be nearly as quick as it could be...especially when the engine is powering a heavy ass marauder.

A 2.5" exhaust will not bottleneck a 600rwhp combo. The diameter and length of the headers will affect power moreso than the exhaust pipe diameter. IMO, a 32-34" 1 5/8" longtube with a merged 2.5" - 2.25" - 2.5" collector is best for an n/a and low boost Marauder while the 1 3/4" primary with the same collect is beter for higher hp FI combos. The shorties and mid lengths do not have the right scavenging properties for creating good low and mid range tq. 3" and 3.5" collectors are for engines with much larger cubic inches.

Some one with sense? I didn't realize I was "stupid" professor know it all!
I've only been doing this over 20 years! But hell what do I know?
I'll just let my super slow car speak for its self!

[sailsmen]

Any updates on your car? I cannot wait to hear how she runs at the 1,320'.

[sailsmen]

Why not run with no headers at all? I bet your peak HP is real HIGH!

[na svt]

Some one with sense? I didn't realize I was "stupid" professor know it all!
I've only been doing this over 20 years! But hell what do I know?
I'll just let my super slow car speak for its self!

I was agreeing with you. That is a good thing...isn't it?

[MOTOWN]

I was agreeing with you. That is a good thing...isn't it?

Lol agreeing with me? Dayuum I must have read your post wrong? Lmao! :rolleyes:

[LANDY]

Its not about agreeing with anybody. We are here to help, one thing to keep in mind Roger is its not a turbo car. Your YSI, 10.1 CR on pump gas like you want it plus 3" exhaust is gonna have a 1k rpm Supra powerband.
Why? Because you wont be able to get to the efficiency level of the the blower. The most your going to be able to get away is 18psi (being generous) unless you go e85 then you will make big power. Also about the stall, you will need at least a 4k to get out the whole quick enough. Otherwise it will feel like an n/a car untill 3500rpm.
Its not how big, its how to put the best combo together.:)

[MOTOWN]

Its not about agreeing with anybody. We are here to help, one thing to keep in mind Roger is its not a turbo car. Your YSI, 10.1 CR on pump gas like you want it plus 3" exhaust is gonna have a 1k rpm Supra powerband.
Why? Because you wont be able to get to the efficiency level of the the blower. The most your going to be able to get away is 18psi (being generous) unless you go e85 then you will make big power. Also about the stall, you will need at least a 4k to get out the whole quick enough. Otherwise it will feel like an n/a car untill 3500rpm.
Its not how big, its how to put the best combo together.:)

Landy my good man! I have to respectfully disagree with you, I definitely don't want, or need a 4k stall! It would be great on the track but a pain on the streets!

Keep in mind this car I have is 100% street car, I could care less about the track with this one, but make no mistake about it , it will not take a second place to most!
Maybe when I do hit the track we can line em up and compare notes!;)

[LANDY]

That works for me bud. Maybe Marauderville?

[MOTOWN]

It's on and poppin playa! Looser buys the 1st round!

[LANDY]

:beer:Down for that too!

[justbob]

Insert hugs here? :dunno:


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[na svt]

Insert hugs here? :dunno:
Here ya go :hug:

[justbob]

Here ya go :hug:

😊 Thanks for that other thing BTW!


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[DOOM]

Its not how big, its how to put the best combo together.:)



THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!! :coolman:

[SC Cheesehead]

THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!! :coolman:

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2678/midgets.jpg

[sailsmen]

Landy my good man! I have to respectfully disagree with you, I definitely don't want, or need a 4k stall! It would be great on the track but a pain on the streets!

Keep in mind this car I have is 100% street car, I could care less about the track with this one, but make no mistake about it , it will not take a second place to most!
Maybe when I do hit the track we can line em up and compare notes!;)

I have a 3,500 Stall on a DD with over 70K. It is all in the tune! No matter what stall you have good luck getting traction on the street. It is a real problem.

[StainlessWorks]

Sooo.......final answer......

Stainless Works (http://www.stainlessworks.net) Rules!

....and there will be an awesome grudge race Marauderville '13!

[na svt]

Sooo.......final answer......

Stainless Works (http://www.stainlessworks.net) Rules!

....and there will be an awesome grudge race Marauderville '13!
Did you see the PM I sent ya?

[marauder004]

thanks every one help here

I decide to go with kooks right now because I don't have enough money in my pocket,

I think in futher will go to full exhaust from stainless works

I have to spend 2 weeks more to finish my project then will post thread with some pic's and the result in dyno jet.

[babbage]

SW headers bolt on, KOOKS require welding, shop, and custom mid pipes. $$$ Post back the final numbers you spent. I think the Maucat would have been less when all is said and done.

[GAMike]

....and there will be an awesome grudge race Marauderville '13!

Trust me;) Come on down and play with us!!!:D

[StainlessWorks]

Trust me;) Come on down and play with us!!!:D

Hopefully you guys will take some videos when racing, we think it would be cool to see some Marauders go head to head, cannot wait!

[Silver03Vic]

Sooo.......final answer......

Stainless Works (http://www.stainlessworks.net) Rules!

!


I concur :banana2: