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Gordy
02-12-2013, 04:14 PM
I like to plan way ahead lol, but I have one project car about to be finished, one is just started, so its time to start looking into the next. For some time I have been wanting to do something with the new 5.0 Mustang's, and hopefully within the next year I might start finding some higher mileage, out of warranty 5.0s starting to pop up.

The new 5.0's seem like a good opportunity to try my hand at a daily/street drivable, twisty capable, 750+ HP true sports car, possibly even capable of over 200 mph (Not just the power to do so, but actually be drivable.)

The Hellion Twin Turbo system is more than capable of making the power, and I believe (hope) the engine, properly rebuilt, will be able to handle the power that the Hellion system is capable of.

What do you guys think, sound like something worth doing?

ctrlraven
02-12-2013, 04:32 PM
Or use the money you'd spend on all the go fast stuff slapped on a GT and just buy a GT500. lol

guspech750
02-12-2013, 04:34 PM
Or a used and boosted Z06!!


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ImpalaSlayer
02-12-2013, 04:37 PM
Or use the money you'd spend on all the go fast stuff slapped on a GT and just buy a GT500. lol

yeah i never understood the point of a "blahblah" killer built off the same platform, always seemend completely pointless

DEFYANT
02-12-2013, 04:57 PM
2013 GT500 powered Marauder.....

L.Mark
02-12-2013, 05:06 PM
So, how much trouble would it be to drop the new 5.0 from the 'stang into a Marauder? Just thinking long term here. Love the 5.0's...

Gordy
02-12-2013, 05:08 PM
Or use the money you'd spend on all the go fast stuff slapped on a GT and just buy a GT500. lol

Lol, well its not really a project car then. Plus, I can do it for less, and do it my way. The new GT500's performance capabilities would just be the baseline that I would judge the success of the build. The new Shelby's are an amazing production car from ford, but I want to build something better and with more power. I can start with a similar platform for less than 20k and build it or I can spend 60k+ on the car and then try and make that better.

Only shops like Hennessey, Saleen, etc. can afford to start out with the top of the line car's for a build, not poor ole Gordy.

Gordy
02-12-2013, 05:13 PM
yeah i never understood the point of a "blahblah" killer built off the same platform, always seemend completely pointless

About as pointless as being a slayer of a similar platform. Come on man, lol, one wants a chance to do it better than they could. They have the capability, but corporate "Red Tape" will always prevent them from making something the best it could be. One cannot reach perfection with concerns over numbers.

Shaijack
02-12-2013, 06:44 PM
Gordy lets take the money and go to Vegas??????

Vortech347
02-12-2013, 06:52 PM
Not to mention even if you have a GT that is a Shelby Killer it'll still be worth half even with all the goodies.

SpartaPerformance
02-12-2013, 06:54 PM
So, how much trouble would it be to drop the new 5.0 from the 'stang into a Marauder? Just thinking long term here. Love the 5.0's...

No trouble at all just expensive.

Gordy
02-12-2013, 07:08 PM
Gordy lets take the money and go to Vegas??????

Now thats a positive idea with what to do that I am looking for lol.

BODYMAN
02-12-2013, 07:17 PM
Just bought a 2012 5.0 GT & bone stock it is a monster! Never gonna boost this car if anything when gets higher miled it will get all goods for a killer N/A build. Guys are seeing 550ish N/A on these cars. But look up some comparisons on these boosted vs a GT500 the 5.0's are killing them!

Gordy
02-12-2013, 07:17 PM
Not to mention even if you have a GT that is a Shelby Killer it'll still be worth half even with all the goodies.

Its not about what its worth afterwards man, I just was playing with the idea to try and make one better. Same reason we all waste money cars.

I have a hard time believing people here would believe what the factory makes is the best something can be.

Gordy
02-12-2013, 07:20 PM
Just bought a 2012 5.0 GT & bone stock it is a monster! Never gonna boost this car if anything when gets higher miled it will get all goods for a killer N/A build. Guys are seeing 550ish N/A on these cars. But look up some comparisons on these boosted vs a GT500 the 5.0's are killing them!

Ya, those cars have alot of potential. I feel it would be a great start vehicle, plus, i just find them nice lookin lol. been many years since I have found a Mustang to look good.

BODYMAN
02-12-2013, 07:25 PM
Ya, those cars have alot of potential. I feel it would be a great start vehicle, plus, i just find them nice lookin lol. been many years since I have found a Mustang to look good.

Exactly what what got me interested in one in many years. Looks great & once I lower it w/ a set of RTR's & 275-40-19 tires it will change the looks to a mean sob. It would be a great starting point for a monster. some of the guys are already putting them in the 9's. Heck there a mid 12's car bone stock. Mine is a auto didnt want a manual. From a dead stop & floor it, it will leave a nice patch of rubber on pavement & it's still 100% stock.

Motorhead350
02-13-2013, 12:09 AM
Already beat one with a blower and a few bolt ons. 8psi ago.... but he lacked drag radials.

LANDY
02-13-2013, 05:27 AM
The new 5.0 is a great bang for the buck. There is a guy in town with one that has CAI, tune, 4.10, and 4k stall and runs 11.4@119mph all day long.

bigcowl-imp
02-13-2013, 06:14 AM
The LS motor is a much better bang for the buck........you don`t have to biuld them to make power....i made 690hp on motor/na..thats with the stock crank and rods and factory untouched heads and a carburator.......Theres guys buying the 4.8 and the 5.3ls truck motors for $350-$450 and making 1,200 stock but with a cam and turbos.......

heres some good reading

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/hrdp_1109_stock_gm_ls_engine_b ig_bang_theory/

Vortech347
02-13-2013, 12:48 PM
Its not about what its worth afterwards man, I just was playing with the idea to try and make one better. Same reason we all waste money cars.

I have a hard time believing people here would believe what the factory makes is the best something can be.

Then start with a GT500 and make an Aventador killer.

Gordy
02-13-2013, 04:31 PM
Then start with a GT500 and make an Aventador killer.

I guess a second mortgage would not hurt anything lol.

Vortech347
02-13-2013, 05:27 PM
Economy stimulation!! :)

ChiTownMaraud3r
02-13-2013, 05:45 PM
I have a hard time believing people here would believe what the factory makes is the best something can be.

It's nice to buy it fast and not have to worry about something that was ghetto-rigged (custom fabbed) breaking on you when getting on it..and if something were to break on the bought fast from the mftr car, it is covered on warranty.

Besides, there is always going to to be someone out there with a faster car.

Haggis
02-14-2013, 05:40 AM
Or a used and boosted Z06!!


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*Sh**, my Marauder can take one of those.

bigcowl-imp
02-14-2013, 06:09 AM
*Sh**, my Marauder can take one of those.


proof ??????

justbob
02-14-2013, 06:02 PM
proof ??????

Proofs in KY at the regional meet two years ago. Plenty of us sat back laughing as he broke pack to shut him down. One can only take so much antagonizing. ๐Ÿ˜Š

Hey Gordon, wasn't that in your WIFE'S car as well?! Chris is my idle! ๐Ÿ˜

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camelgrundle
02-16-2013, 07:36 PM
Go for it man it sounds killer. Could be a good sleeper too!

JBFTech
02-16-2013, 08:06 PM
The new 5.0 with boost is an awesome ride. Replaced the engine in one a while back (#7 cracked and #8 exploded) with a twin screw, it was a pretty fun ride. Just took a Procharged 5.0, air to air and tuned, out for a joyride at work the other day. Absolutely no traction but you still couldn't grab a dollar off the dash. I'd get into so much trouble.....but I've had the idea in the back of my mind to pick one up for the MM down the road.


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moose_218
02-20-2013, 01:48 PM
This Is A Quote i Have From Roush

Thank you for your inquiry for a Roush 5.0L crate engine for your 2002 Crown Vic.

As I am sure you are aware there are considerable amount of modification to correctly install the 32 valve 5.0 Coyote engine.
We will assume at this point that the current auto transmission will be adequate, and the current cooling package will work.
This brakes it down to * Engine package, * Exhaust headers & attachment to excisting exhaust system, * Electrical interface, * Fuel delivery, Air conditioning.
Based on these assumptions we would estimate 320 hours to 450 hours = $16,320.00 to $22,950.00 for labor.
A Ford Racing 5.0L w/controls pack is approx $9,100.00.

moose_218
02-20-2013, 01:50 PM
DaSilva Racing
Basic run down

Crate motor $6700
Control pack with Ecu $1650
Afco K-member with modular motor mount design $550
Oem motor mounts for coyote $200-$250
4.6 style bell housing to adapt to T5 or Tko trans $300 for normal $600 for sfi
Transmission?


This is the basic run down of parts. You will need a pretty good trans behind this motor. Plus labour , tuning, installing engine harness etc etc. This has never been done in a crown vic so labour we cannot quote. This will be a $15,20,000 job by the time you are done.

Gordy
02-20-2013, 02:34 PM
Hey, $51 an hour for labor is not a bad deal at all lol.

ctrlraven
02-20-2013, 02:39 PM
Found someone who swapped the Coyote 5.0 into a Sport Trac Adrenalin AND also made it a 6 speed manual!
http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=316074

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aj7xTwLr6Y
9aj7xTwLr6Y

CBT
02-20-2013, 05:19 PM
Found someone who swapped the Coyote 5.0 into a Sport Trac Adrenalin AND also made it a 6 speed manual!
http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=316074

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aj7xTwLr6Y
9aj7xTwLr6Y
Damn you! Now I want one, lol.

CWright
02-20-2013, 05:32 PM
Found someone who swapped the Coyote 5.0 into a Sport Trac Adrenalin AND also made it a 6 speed manual!
http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=316074

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aj7xTwLr6Y
9aj7xTwLr6Y


I'm impressed!! That sucker is sweet!:burnout::burnout:

MrBluGruv
02-20-2013, 06:10 PM
Proofs in KY at the regional meet two years ago. Plenty of us sat back laughing as he broke pack to shut him down. One can only take so much antagonizing. ๐Ÿ˜Š

Hey Gordon, wasn't that in your WIFE'S car as well?! Chris is my idle! ๐Ÿ˜

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Was it a C5 or C6 Z06?

I'd have a hard time believing either when they are boosted, but to take down a boosted C6 Z06 in a Marauder of almost any caliber is a little ridiculous sounding, aside from maybe the Vette not being able to hook.

CBT
02-20-2013, 07:08 PM
Was it a C5 or C6 Z06?

I'd have a hard time believing either when they are boosted, but to take down a boosted C6 Z06 in a Marauder of almost any caliber is a little ridiculous sounding, aside from maybe the Vette not being able to hook.

It happened while rolling, Ladyhawke's Marauder got a lil sumthin sumthin under the hood, too.

SC Cheesehead
02-20-2013, 07:21 PM
It happened while rolling, Ladyhawke's Marauder got a lil sumthin sumthin under the hood, too.


True, that!

MrBluGruv
02-20-2013, 07:30 PM
It happened while rolling, Ladyhawke's Marauder got a lil sumthin sumthin under the hood, too.


But I mean, the math just doesn't add up in my head. A supercharged Marauder is ****ing sweet, but straight up beating on a boosted Z06?

Both C5 and C6 Z06s weigh like 1000lbs less in curb weight than a Marauder, and without boost the C5Z with an M6 will typically put down around 350whp stock, and I believe the C6Z with an M6 will probably do about 100whp more than that. Even mild boost would crank up those whp numbers significantly.

It just doesn't make sense to me unless the Vette couldn't hold traction, the driver wasn't running after all, or it was an automatic maybe (do they even make automatic Z06 Vettes?)

Did this roll last for like 20-30mph?


The only other thing that comes to mind as a possibility, is that Vette owner had a massive cam in it that makes **** for torque in the lower RPM range and it just fell flat on its face.

LANDY
02-20-2013, 07:46 PM
Z06 vettes only come in M6. It takes over 550rwhp for me to stay right beside my buddys 440rwhp C5 Z06 from 60-140mph. On a lower roll i own him do to his traction issues.

justbob
02-20-2013, 11:28 PM
Was it a C5 or C6 Z06?

I'd have a hard time believing either when they are boosted, but to take down a boosted C6 Z06 in a Marauder of almost any caliber is a little ridiculous sounding, aside from maybe the Vette not being able to hook.

? I agree on the math, and this was highway speeds, and yes Z06.
Even more confusing, three years ago I raced one at the track, I was 13.1, he was 12.9, both with DR's. My next time was a 12.8, his 12.5. Yeah, my 2 seconds of feeling good went away.. All I know was he caught up right at the end just like before. ๐Ÿ˜”

I'd try it again in a month however!


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