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Blown3.8
03-09-2013, 11:17 PM
Gonna see how the meth cools the IAT when installed post blower, intercooler. We didn't see any reduction in temps with a single 625ml in one of the vacuum ports of the blower inlet. The cobra guys don't see any temp reductions either.

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sailsmen
03-10-2013, 06:03 AM
It can't take away what isn't there.

TooManyFords
03-10-2013, 06:22 AM
Looks cool, but it would do more good pre-intercooler where the methanol can pull the heat out of the boost charge and evaporate. Keep us posted on your data logs.

guspech750
03-10-2013, 06:26 AM
Pretty slick Chris.


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SC Cheesehead
03-10-2013, 07:38 AM
Interesting!

Subscribing, Chris.

bugsyc
03-10-2013, 07:42 AM
looks great...should keep IAC temps lower...

Blown3.8
03-10-2013, 09:37 AM
Looks cool, but it would do more good pre-intercooler where the methanol can pull the heat out of the boost charge and evaporate. Keep us posted on your data logs.

We saw zero temp reduction pre blower/ IC. There was a guy on the mustang boards that was supposed to set one up post blower, pre IC, But I haven't seen any results on that.

On my bird i have a jet about 5" before the IAT sensor and see approximately a 50* temp reduction.

I am real interested to see what the temp reduction is. Its mainly being setup so we can just run the race tune on the street with street gas.

massacre
03-10-2013, 09:49 AM
Nice work, keep us posted.

8UWITH6
03-10-2013, 07:15 PM
On the turbo buicks we spray the methanol just before the throttle plate. However, it doesnt have to fight through a blower and intercooler on those cars. I think you will see a drop in your temps in the intake on your setup. If you dont I would be surprised.

BODYMAN
03-10-2013, 07:44 PM
We saw zero temp reduction pre blower/ IC. There was a guy on the mustang boards that was supposed to set one up post blower, pre IC, But I haven't seen any results on that.

On my bird i have a jet about 5" before the IAT sensor and see approximately a 50* temp reduction.

I am real interested to see what the temp reduction is. Its mainly being setup so we can just run the race tune on the street with street gas.

I would think post blower,pre I/C would surely be the most effective spot For it. I know Steigemeir really pushes it at his shop, on multiple occasions He has showed me some good results he got with it on several GT500's. Definetly a good way to help keep things safe if installed correctly & tuned right. Only thing I seem to hear is the few users who had problems & ussually it.s a result of Tank capacity & running out cause they failed to keep from even nearing the empty factor. Curious to see what it ends up doing for His car.

Michael
03-10-2013, 09:21 PM
Let us know how this works out, what are the Mililiters on the four nozzles and what Methanol/Water percentage are you going to use. Is the system set up to turn on and off from boost or is it progressive by the mass air meter?

Like you said earlier, if it does not reduce temps, atleast it will add octane enrichment.

One concern I see is the pluged center port. Is there any worry of a intercooler leak or maybe a stuck on meth pump that would fill up your intake maniflold to the point that it would hydrolock the motor?

Blown3.8
03-11-2013, 07:41 AM
Nah, no worries of IC leak. If it leaked I don't think the PCV hose would help any it would just circulate the water to the inlet of the blower and possibly to the valve covers too. If the IC leaks its bad no matter the setup.;)

The total ML is about 1000. I run 50/50 mix. And use the MAF voltage for the activation. If it quenches with the 50/50 may just go to a more Meth mix so the mixture burns.

Vortech347
03-11-2013, 02:45 PM
Bad ass!! You will see excellent results as compared to pre-blower.

Just make sure your fittings are very secure so they don't get blown out with the boost.

50/50 is the best mix to run. I tried several different ratio's over the years when I ran meth through my fox.

8UWITH6
03-11-2013, 08:06 PM
We run 100% through the Buicks no issues........... why mix on this powerplant?

Blown3.8
03-11-2013, 09:02 PM
We run 100% through the Buicks no issues........... why mix on this powerplant?

I don't know really, its what Snow recommends. Supposedly water cools better than Meth and gives more detonation resistance cause it doesn't burn.

hotford
03-11-2013, 10:03 PM
I run 100% meth in my bro's set up pre blower, I really wanted it for the octane and help reduce any chances of carbon tracking........

hotford
03-11-2013, 10:05 PM
Let us know how this works out, what are the Mililiters on the four nozzles and what Methanol/Water percentage are you going to use. Is the system set up to turn on and off from boost or is it progressive by the mass air meter?

Like you said earlier, if it does not reduce temps, atleast it will add octane enrichment.

One concern I see is the pluged center port. Is there any worry of a intercooler leak or maybe a stuck on meth pump that would fill up your intake maniflold to the point that it would hydrolock the motor?

This was Lidio's set up on his mach 1 he stated that the IAT temps were so cool he didn't beleive them...........

na svt
03-12-2013, 04:26 AM
On my bird i have a jet about 5" before the IAT sensor and see approximately a 50* temp reduction.
The IAT getting hit by the meth makes the temp lower, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the power blower temp has been reduced by 50 degrees.

sailsmen
03-12-2013, 05:42 AM
I run 100% meth in my bro's set up pre blower, I really wanted it for the octane and help reduce any chances of carbon tracking........

I would check with the S/C Mfg about any compatibility with 100% Meth.

Michael
03-12-2013, 05:41 PM
Is it done yet? Just kidding. Looking forward to seeing the results and what it can do in the hot summer months also.

1000 mL might quench the spark, I have not seen that much go into a small motor. A progressive controller that can ramp up the duty cycle will help with that. Not sure if your MAF controller is set up for that though.

Snow recomends 50/50 mix to cover there butts because the jug of mix becomes flamable with higher ratios of Methonal. Test have shown that 50 mix is suposively the best because water has a high latent heat of vaporization and dentonation prevention. If you want just the octane run it straight, I'm sure you would see a temp drop just fine, but be carful that the staight meth does not somehow preignight in the manifold from a backfire or something.

Let us know how its going.:burnout:

Blown3.8
03-12-2013, 09:46 PM
1000 mL might quench the spark, I have not seen that much go into a small motor. A progressive controller that can ramp up the duty cycle will help with that. Not sure if your MAF controller is set up for that though.

You don't know whats going on top yet.:D;)

Blown3.8
03-17-2013, 09:18 PM
I got the lines worked out so everything clears in the valley.

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MOTOWN
03-17-2013, 11:20 PM
You don't know whats going on top yet.:D;)

2.9l Whipple! :confused:

SC Cheesehead
03-18-2013, 03:13 AM
Pretty slick, Chris! :up:

Blown3.8
03-18-2013, 08:39 AM
2.9l Whipple! :confused:

Nah that's too small to keep up with you.;)

Poor little 2.3.:D

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CWright
03-18-2013, 09:14 AM
Nah that's too small to keep up with you.;)

Poor little 2.3.:D

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:eek: That's NICE!! :beer:

merc
03-18-2013, 09:47 AM
[QUOTE=Blown3.8;1277195]Nah that's too small to keep up with you.;)

Poor little 2.3.:D

Watch your mouth little man. That's my blower you are talking about. :D

jflave
03-18-2013, 01:01 PM
Real nice work Chris :popcorn:

loud2004marquis
03-18-2013, 04:52 PM
Is that a crusher inlet?

Michael
03-18-2013, 05:01 PM
Super nice!!!:burnout:Show use what it takes to mount that big lung to the marauder; brackets, cot, injectors, rails, pumps, pulleys and what kind of sunglasses you need to wear to work on that shinny thing.

hotford
03-18-2013, 05:37 PM
very nice............Doom is drooling right about now...........

Blown3.8
03-18-2013, 05:57 PM
Super nice!!!:burnout:Show use what it takes to mount that big lung to the marauder; brackets, cot, injectors, rails, pumps, pulleys and what kind of sunglasses you need to wear to work on that shinny thing.

Something like that.:coolman:

Yup that is the Crusher!:beer:

djs2000mgm
03-18-2013, 06:37 PM
Please post your results, I'd been thinking about doing this when I do my 4v swap.

As far as the location debate goes.... why on earth would you mount it pre-IC? It's entirely possible if it's working well enough that the intercooler will be putting heat back in to your intake charge, depending on the intercooler fluid temps.

Why would you run 100% meth? I know some tuners advocate it, but scientifically it doesn't really make sense. If you're just trying to reduce intake charge temps, provided you can get it to evaporate, water is going to be FAR more effective at removing heat from the intake charge.

If you're spraying enough, the methanol will add a noticeable bit of octane/knock resistance, which is also a good thing... but it's specific heat is much lower than that of water.