HOLY SMOKES....from Bradenton, Florida!!!

[MI2QWK4U]

I just got off the phone with Lidio down in Bradenton, Florida. He was at the track and was extremely pleased with his Marauders 2 runs up to this point.
Are you sitting down...... Sunny, about 80 degrees, just to set the stage. Two runs later and the crowd was stunned...The results? Well how does 12.24 seconds, and 12.33 seconds at 112mph sound? Correct me if I am wrong, but that might be the best quarter mile time posted to date in a Marauder.... My hats off to Lidio on getting the results he has gotten with his car. These runs were done without nitrous, blower alone with tuning and a couple tweaks. I can't wait untill he gets back, we have the same tricks planned for mine. I hope he gets the credit he deserves as being the best tuner and modifier for the Marauder. Good job buddy!

[merc406]

Very nice, is he gonna try the juice? :rock: :banana2:

[MI2QWK4U]

Very nice, is he gonna try the juice? :rock: :banana2:

I think he wants to take it slowly, find any wrinkles before juicing it. Gots a 50 or 75 shot in mind though....how much will that knock off 12.24?

[merc406]

Depends on if he's getting any grip with the slicks with it, if it hooks he may be in the high 11's. :rasta: :bounce:

[MI2QWK4U]

Depends on if he's getting any grip with the slicks with it, if it hooks he'll be in the high 11's. :rasta: :bounce:

HOLY :censor: !

[woaface]

N20 is better used if not straight off the line, but after the car has a chance to get going, say...into second gear, from what I've heard and seen tested.

I can't wait to see a Marauder with a good amount of fat taken off (permanately) without drastically changing the beauty of the interior.

[Logan]

Hmmm... I guess that means he might actually be able to keep up with me.... ;)

[MI2QWK4U]

Hmmm... I guess that means he might actually be able to keep up with me.... ;)

When are we going to see your numbers, I'm dying to see what some of your mods do for the Trilogy setup.

[merc406]

[QUOTE=woaface]N20 is better used if not straight off the line, but after the car has a chance to get going, say...into second gear, from what I've heard and seen tested.

He will still have to watch the tach when the buttons pressed that it doesn't lose traction, whenever he chooses to press it. :rasta: I ran nitrous with the switch under the go pedal, nail it, it was on. :burnout: :burnout:

[TAF]

Congrats to Lidio!:up:


Man...that is one fast, :censor: Marauder!!!:burnout: :burnout:

[CRUZTAKER]

Now I'm even more heart broken I wasn't in town.:shake:

Thanks for keeping us informed Dave, I'll call Lid when he gets back and personally congratulate him.

[Petrograde]

out-freakin'-standing!!!! :up:

Tom

[MI2QWK4U]

Latest run is 12.28 @ 112.5mph

Please note correction on mph, staticky cellphone and I missunderstood.

[Paul T. Casey]

Wow!!!!!!!!

[Smokie]

The wife and I will be there tomorrow, camcorder ready. I hope Lidio is running tomorrow.

[sailsmen]

Congrats to Lidio and the Marauder! :rock:

[teamrope]

Good job Lidio! I feel that 11 second run coming soon :D

[Lowell]

Very good. :bounce:

[gonzo50]

Latest run is 12.28 @ 114mph
"DAMN", high 11's are just around the corner. :D
That has to be some super tuning magic, Lidio will definitely hit the 11's before the weekend is up. :rock:

[Marauderer]

Pretty Cool Numbers!

[MI2QWK4U]

It would seem Smokie and one or two more members from the forum have found Lidio and Jerry at the track this morning. I hear smokie brought his camcomrder! I corrected my earlier post on one of Lidio's runs, it was 112.5 mph on the last 12.28 run, not 114 like I posted, I misunderstood over the phone, too much static and tires squeeling. Lid was stoked over the way it was running. He wanted it known that he is NOT hitting it with a spray of nitrous, in fact, he left the bottle at home. He believes with some more tuning, some exhaust work, etc, he can reach 12.00 WITHOUT spraying it at all. Said the Nittos are hooking well and the track is well prepaired. Anyone from the site that has some first hand stories for us, jump in when you get home! Smokie, we want some action video clips!

[MikesMerc]

Wow....those numbers are indeed outstanding!

If I recall, Lid's car has absolutely no exhaust work and the stock tranny too! I think he has just the Trilogy kit with some extra boost and Apten porting, a 4:10 gear, a Pro M, and his cutom tuning. Amazing!!!!

:beer:

[Smokie]

It would seem Smokie and one or two more members from the forum have found Lidio and Jerry at the track this morning. I hear smokie brought his camcomrder!!
So true, where to start.... I had the pleasure of meeting Lidio & Jerry, two fine gentleman who introduced me (seduced would also be true) to their fine product...oh man it is so sweet, Jerry tossed me the keys and my wife, Jerry and myself went for a little spin, me driving the slower of the Trilogy twins (less boost, otherwise stock) and we left the speedway, found a little country side road and checked out the take off from a dead stop.

Well it's kinda like been kicked in the ass by a mule...only it feels good!!!! This is exactly the combination of power and stealh that I seek, the car is totally awsome, no loud noises to give away what you got, just press the gas pedal and then the magic begins.

I do have video of a total of 4 runs, two Lidio, two Jerry, please by patient with me, I am computer idiot so I have to wait for one of my sons to help me convert file and upload, I did upload pictures already to the gallery under Smokie--Keyword: Trilogy--Bradenton.

Not going to post times because I don't want to steal Lidio's thunder but I will say say he is in the extremely low 12's and I believe he has a serious shot at 11's. Well got to go throw some cold water on my face ...damm that sunburn!!! It was 81 degrees by the way... translation, Imagine 45 degrees times !!!!

[MI2QWK4U]

Thanks for the pics Smokie! I am jealous! I wanted to make the trip down with Lidio and bring my Marauder too. That would have been a fine site, the Trilogy Trio! I just cant get the time off work. There will be some events where the three of us will be running the cars at, cant wait. I had asked Lidio the same question about how the car will run in 45 degrees, and he said we will find out in a couple weeks here in Michigan when one of the strips opens up for the year. As soon as he gets back, we are going to play a little bit with mine and try some new toys before the track opens. Jerry and Lidio have done some great work and the results are showing themselves now.... Expect more....

[Mattsmerc]

So true, where to start.... I had the pleasure of meeting Lidio & Jerry, two fine gentleman who introduced me (seduced would also be true) to their fine product...oh man it is so sweet, Jerry tossed me the keys and my wife, Jerry and myself went for a little spin, me driving the slower of the Trilogy twins (less boost, otherwise stock) and we left the speedway, found a little country side road and checked out the take off from a dead stop.

Well it's kinda like been kicked in the ass by a mule...only it feels good!!!! This is exactly the combination of power and stealh that I seek, the car is totally awsome, no loud noises to give away what you got, just press the gas pedal and then the magic begins.

I do have video of a total of 4 runs, two Lidio, two Jerry, please by patient with me, I am computer idiot so I have to wait for one of my sons to help me convert file and upload, I did upload pictures already to the gallery under Smokie--Keyword: Trilogy--Bradenton.

Not going to post times because I don't want to steal Lidio's thunder but I will say say he is in the extremely low 12's and I believe he has a serious shot at 11's. Well got to go throw some cold water on my face ...damm that sunburn!!! It was 81 degrees by the way... translation, Imagine 45 degrees times !!!!
I too got to see Jerry and Lidio. A couple of really great guys in my book :rock: I watched them from behind at the burn out box. All i can say is holy :censor: these guys are FAST. After there runs my wife and I caught up with them and talked for a bit. Then Jerry asked my wife if she wanted to drive, she was not really up for it but I sure was. Jerry my wife and I went for a drive in his marauder. Now I have goose bumps and perma grin :cool: No need to repeat the story, just my .02 THANKS AGAIN JERRY AND LIDIO :bounce: Next stop: Supercharger land :bounce:

[MI2QWK4U]

Lidio just called from Bradenton, you all sitting down?!

12.11 @113.5 MPH

Not much more to be said.....

[Hack Goby]

Your going to be a little fired up at Woody`s today arn`t ya Dave.

[MI2QWK4U]

Your going to be a little fired up at Woody`s today arn`t ya Dave.

How can I not be! Some of that go fast magic is lined up for my ride... I have never seen Lidio so stoked on a car like the Marauder!

[MikesMerc]

How can I not be! Some of that go fast magic is lined up for my ride... I have never seen Lidio so stoked on a car like the Marauder!

Me either! I'm glad the Trilogy kit for me is already on order. I'm hopin to have a bit of that "magic" sprinkled onto my 04 in the next 2 weeks:D

Lidio's results at Bradenton have only confirmed my belief that I was going in the right direction with my MM. :banana2:

[MI2QWK4U]

Lidio just called AGAIN from Bradenton, you all still sitting down?!

12.05 @113.5 MPH 60' of 1.76

Not much more to be said, unless he makes more runs!

[MikesMerc]

Daaa - yam!

[Hack Goby]

I see the broom came out

[Marauder57]

I see the broom came out

Yep and with some listerine.....

[JET]

Lidio & Jerry
Way to go guys thos eare awsome numbers. I can't wait to run with you this summer.
:banana2: :beer: :banana: :bows: :fire: :banana: :beer: :banana2:

[BillyGman]

Low 12's??? Wow!!! That's Viper territory!!! And I much rather see a V8 engine turn those #'s than a V10.........

[jgc61sr2002]

WOW - Great #'s. Nice work :up: :beer:

[kurly]

Lidio just called AGAIN from Bradenton, you all still sitting down?!

12.05 @113.5 MPH 60' of 1.76

Not much more to be said, unless he makes more runs!

ABSOLUTELY AWESOME :banana2:
I'm very proud of this success for our Marauders :up:

[Marauderman]

Lidio just called AGAIN from Bradenton, you all still sitting down?!

12.05 @113.5 MPH 60' of 1.76

Not much more to be said, unless he makes more runs!

See, since I'm new and still trying to learn about theses numbers and all,
(I've personally never ran as yet--a "to do" though) this is where it gets me confused more and more--how come with those numbers above can Dennis Reinhardts 60' of 1.837 and Quarter of 12.36 which equated to 114.38 MPH still be a faster final MPH---so in my may of thinking, if Dennis drops his 60' near the above of 1.76 , then his final MPH will be even more--doesn't the math work out that way...?

[Smokie]

See, since I'm new and still trying to learn about theses numbers and all,
(I've personally never ran as yet--a "to do" though) this is where it gets me confused more and more--how come with those numbers above can Dennis Reinhardts 60' of 1.837 and Quarter of 12.36 which equated to 114.38 MPH still be a faster final MPH---so in my may of thinking, if Dennis drops his 60' near the above of 1.76 , then his final MPH will be even more--doesn't the math work out that way...?Opinion: Not necessarily, a lower 60' indicates either better hook up or greater low end torque, the trap speed is measured at the end of the track and it indicates who is accelerating faster at that point. A guess on my part: Roots=More low end torque -- Centrifugal=More HP at top end.

[Marauderman]

Opinion: Not necessarily, a lower 60' indicates either better hook up or greater low end torque, the trap speed is measured at the end of the track and it indicates who is accelerating faster at that point. A guess on my part: Roots=More low end torque -- Centrifugal=More HP at top end.
Well, I don't know about you, but I personnally look at the end of the track as to both winner and speed..both being the same....you can beat me off the line and 60 ' and whatever, but the checkered or final is what counts to me--isn't that what's always asked--" what she run in the quarter?" It seems to me that means --"how fast it is ?" So that means to me the end result MPH at the end of the 1320 is what is important, isn't it or not? Seems alot of the 1320 is broken down into other segments before it's end result, which is ok I guess but who noses out who at the end is what it's all about..and to do that , it seems to me the higher MPH at the end determines that--so says the ticket I read on the slips I've seen anyway( when they were posted in the pass)-

[Smokie]

Lowest E.T wins, not highest Trap Speed (MPH). I found this out the hard way in Atlanta, every race I lost to an Impala he had the lower E.T and I had the higher MPH. By the way the lowest E.T always crosses the finish line first.

P.S. Unless there is a handicap or staggered start.

[Marauderman]

Lowest E.T wins, not highest Trap Speed (MPH). I found this out the hard way in Atlanta, every race I lost to an Impala he had the lower E.T and I had the higher MPH. By the way the lowest E.T always crosses the finish line first.
You know all you have done here is confuse me more--I will need to take a class on this cause somehow it just doesn't add up...man oh man...I thought this was gonna be easy to understand-- :help:

[Smokie]

You know all you have done here is confuse me more--I will need to take a class on this cause somehow it just doesn't add up...man oh man...I thought this was gonna be easy to understand-- :help:
Sorry, I went thru this confusion myself, so I understand how you feel. I was frustrated that in Atlanta against Impala's I lost every race and my MPH was always faster sometimes the difference was as much as 3-5 mph. Still I lost. My head hurts, I will let someone else explain better.

[Dennis Reinhart]

See, since I'm new and still trying to learn about theses numbers and all,
(I've personally never ran as yet--a "to do" though) this is where it gets me confused more and more--how come with those numbers above can Dennis Reinhardts 60' of 1.837 and Quarter of 12.36 which equated to 114.38 MPH still be a faster final MPH---so in my may of thinking, if Dennis drops his 60' near the above of 1.76 , then his final MPH will be even more--doesn't the math work out that way...?


Basically its the fact that he hooked up better than me, if you take my time of 1.837 - 1.760 = .077 if had the same 60' I would have probably ran very close to a 12.2 0 or less, I also had a higher MPH but both cars have great times, I am sure he had the car with widened rims which I like and will order he probably had the trunk cleaned out and less than a 1/2 tank of gas these are tricks any one can and should do in competition, Keith's car had a full tank of gas full trunk, and I only made two passes I never had a chance to dial in tire pressure which is very important on the 60" time

[BillyGman]

You know all you have done here is confuse me more--I will need to take a class on this cause somehow it just doesn't add up...man oh man...I thought this was gonna be easy to understand-- :help:

No, it really isn't all that confusing. You're actually making it more complicated than it really is. Smokie is absolutely correct in his explanation.

I'm going to give you an extreme example for the sake of showing you the simplicity of all of this:

Take two Marauders....one of them has 5.13 gears in the rear, and has a monster big block 460 engine under the hood w/a huge blower sticking out of it.

The other Marauder has the stock 3.55 gears, and a small 4.6L V8 under the hood w/a small blower.

Both cars take off and both are the same exact weight. The big block car digs in and hooks up very well w/a 60' time of 1.2 and blasts down the track, but w/the real low gears finishes w/a trap speed of only 105 MPH but w/an ET of 11.5 seconds.

The small block Marauder hooks up well too but doesn't have as much low-end grunt so it accomplishes a 60' time of 1.8 it also has the 3.55 gears and most of it's power higher up in the RPM scale than the big block car does and so it actually does the majority of it's acceleration during the last half of the race since it does have much more top end capability than the big block car w/the 5.13 gears does and therefore this small block Marauder finishes w/a 111 MPH trap speed but a 12.9 ET. You would see evidence of this by paying attention to the 330' times as well as the 1/8 mile and 990' times of both cars. The reason why it's valuable to pay attention to ALL the incremental times of the race(including the 60', 330', 1/8 mile, and 990' times) is because by watching them and comparing them to your former times before you've performed modifications to your car as well as comparing all of those incremental times to your opponent's times, is because it will show you exactly at what part of the quartermile your car is doing most of it's accelerating and at what part it's the strongest as well as the weakest in terms of flat out acceleration. And that is something that a dyno will not tell you.

This example is an extreme one, and I'm not neccessarily suggesting that either one of these hypothetical cars that I've used in my example specifically represents either the Dennis Reinhart car or the Trilogy cars. It's merely an example to demonstrate to you how the car w/the fastest trap speed doesn't neccessarily get down the track sooner than the other car.

In this hypothetical example that I've used, the big block car had so much low end power and torque that it blasted through the first half of the race like lightning, but when the car hit 100 MPH it died in terms of acceleration and just held on to the whatever top speed it had already accomplished by the 990' mark until it crossed the finish line.

But the slower car came on like a lion AFTER the 330' mark and began to gain some respectable MPH speed by the time it hit the 990' mark and continued to build up top speed until the finish line and could've continied to do so if the race was longer than a quartermile. But because the car took so long to arrive at that 330' mark it lost the race to the faster car which also has a lot less top end capability. Get it? By the time the slower small block Marauder got to the 1/8 mile point, the big block Marauder was very close to the finish line already, even though it's top speed had leveled off. The big block car w/more low-end torque wasn't capable of as much top end speed, but what speed it did develop was accomplishe MUCH quicker than that of the smaller and slower small block car.

So if you don't get it by now, then you never will. And if that's the case,then just drive your car and be happy. :D

[Marauderer]

Well, I don't know about you, but I personnally look at the end of the track as to both winner and speed..both being the same....you can beat me off the line and 60 ' and whatever, but the checkered or final is what counts to me--isn't that what's always asked--" what she run in the quarter?" It seems to me that means --"how fast it is ?" So that means to me the end result MPH at the end of the 1320 is what is important, isn't it or not? Seems alot of the 1320 is broken down into other segments before it's end result, which is ok I guess but who noses out who at the end is what it's all about..and to do that , it seems to me the higher MPH at the end determines that--so says the ticket I read on the slips I've seen anyway( when they were posted in the pass)-

Don't know about you, but most street races are from light to light with a very short "checkered flag" and not to 140 mph on the highway :) And I'm not trying to start a SC war, but remember, the "original" best time the "other" kit had was with .430 gears and 15" wheels (an effective .456 rear end). If high end HP were the true measure of speed, then why the need to make such drastic changes to get off the line :).

[Marauderer]

Don't know about you, but most street races are from light to light with a very short "checkered flag" and not to 140 mph on the highway :) And I'm not trying to start a SC war, but remember, the "original" best time the "other" kit had was with .430 gears and 15" wheels (an effective .456 rear end). If high end HP were the true measure of speed, then why the need to make such drastic changes to get off the line :).

I should add, that both kits have their own distinct advantages. It all depends on where and how you want to play.

[BillyGman]

just remember that there are soooo many variables in a race and between any two cars and the example that I've given merely represents that. I was merely speaking of the trap speed vs the ET's issue and that doesn't neccessarily have anything to do w/one supercharger vs another.

I'm not saying that Marauderer doesn't have a good point, nor am I saying that he does. I'm simply pointing out that my comments are simply to point out what is REALLY happening in a quartermile race that can effect trap speeds and ET's. That's all.

[Marauderman]

BGman-- I appreciate your in put--it helps alot---it really spells out that , like Dennis said earlier, there is alot of variables to consider and thats why it has become and is such a unique way to "hobby" and have fun with our cars..--yes- this is all so intriquing---it's even more understanding why now I often have heard guys keep taking about what I thought was clear cut--but obviously it is not..---a lot of good input for me to dial-in- eh!..Thanks...Tom

[Marauderman]

and one more thing--I didn't mean to hi-jack this thread about the news from Fla.., if one is thinking that, but more a chance to ask about my confusion-- so , wasn't trying to cloud any thunder but more opportinuity to determine where it was coming from.....and where it was going.....get a better picture developed ...ok.....Tom

[BillyGman]

Cool Tom. I'm glad I've been able to be of help, cuz that's what my goal was. many guys on here have helped me, and still continue to do so. It's quite probable that something you will post will help me also. So I just try to put back into this board what I get out of it. ;)