Marauder vs newer SHO.

[Vortech347]

So part of the "Plan" the wife and I have we've now gotten her something pretty new. (11' Escape) Once we have it paid off in about 2 years I'll be selling the Merc to get an Eco Boost SHO. As fun as this sounds I have reservations, and you guys may think they are stupid.

#1. I love knowing I can fix this car without any special tools. The drive train is not unique to one specific or limited. The last SHO I had parts were a NIGHTMARE.

#2. V8 Sound and RWD. I start my car up and people are like "Damn..." and cruising around its such a great sound and... BRAKESTANDS (need I say more?)

#3. The SHO's look so damn plain jane, they blend in. Looks Camry/Impala/Taurus, some may disagree.

#4. Last but not least, the uniqueness. Some of you guys see other MM's around all the time. Here in Utah, it doesn't happen much. I like that.

Anyone here go from a MM to eco-SHO? What were your thoughts?

[DOOM]

Bluerauder.......

[BUCKWHEAT]

I didn't go from-to, but I did a both-and. I have the Lincoln MK-S with the 'red' S. It's the Lincoln equivalent of the SHO. Clear advantages to the Ecoboost are 10 mpg better on the highway, better w/all-wheel drive in the bad weather, great off the line at the drags, and fancy electronics-lots of electronics.
It will cost $500 to reprogram the computer to get low 13's and decent shifts. The car comes with paddle shifters that are useless because of sloppy factory shifts. Then you can spend under $1k to improve exhaust & air intake, both of which will lose you the best part of the car-its quiet cabin. And (as you said) its not a V8 sound.

Marauder advantages-its paid for, and you know how to fix it. Marauder still attracts more attention than the potato-shape of the MK-s/SHO. I personally love the loud exhaust and the whine of the Trilogy.

Bottom line, you will like both. Get what you want, and enjoy it.

[Bluerauder]

So part of the "Plan" the wife and I have we've now gotten her something pretty new. (11' Escape) Once we have it paid off in about 2 years I'll be selling the Merc to get an Eco Boost SHO. As fun as this sounds I have reservations, and you guys may think they are stupid. NOT STUPID AT ALL.

#1. I love knowing I can fix this car without any special tools. The drive train is not unique to one specific or limited. The last SHO I had parts were a NIGHTMARE. LOTS OF BELLS AND WHISTLES ON THE SHO. LOTS OF ELECTRONICS. ALL WHEEL DRIVE COMPLICATES THE DRIVE TRAIN. THIS IS THE FIRST CAR THAT I GOT THE EXTENDED WARRANTY ON .... EVER !!!

#2. V8 Sound and RWD. I start my car up and people are like "Damn..." and cruising around its such a great sound and... BRAKESTANDS (need I say more?) YES, THE ROAR FROM THE MARAUDER IS A SOUND THAT I LOVE TO HEAR. IT IS A HIGHER PITCHED TONE FROM THE 3.5L ECOBOOST. STILL A NICE SOUND WHEN THE TURBOS GET SPOOLED UP. AT 365 HP AND 350 TQ WITH A CURB WEIGHT OF ABOUT 120 POUNDS MORE THAN THE MARAUDER, THE SHO ACCELERATION IS IMPRESSIVE. MUCH QUICKER THAN A STOCK MM. WITH A LIVERNOIS TUNE IT'LL GET YOU TO 400 HP. I'VE HAD MINE OVER A YEAR AND I DON'T THINK I HAVE GONE MUCH PAST 3/4 PEDAL 'CAUSE IT JUMPS TO 100 MPH IN A HEARTBEAT. 30 MPG Highway. About 20-22 MPG in town. GO TEST DRIVE ONE.

#3. The SHO's look so damn plain jane, they blend in. Looks Camry/Impala/Taurus, some may disagree. YEP, I FEEL INVISIBLE IN THE TAURUS SHO. FEW PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. EVEN LESS KNOW WHAT THEY CAN DO. SHO BADGING ON MY 2012 IS JUST ON THE REAR AND TWO LITTLE ONES ON THE REAR WINDOW TRIM. IT DOES BLEND IN WITH ALL THE OTHER STUFF ON THE ROAD. IT DOESN'T REALLY DRAW ATTENTION ..... TOO OFTEN. IN ONE YEAR, I HAVE HAD TWO PEOPLE COMMENT ON THE CAR. THE DAMN ECOBOOST BADGE MAKES PEOPLE THINK IT IS A "HYBRID" ECONOMY CAR. WTF???

#4. Last but not least, the uniqueness. Some of you guys see other MM's around all the time. Here in Utah, it doesn't happen much. I like that. I RARELY SEE ANY MMs ON THE ROAD HERE IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA UNLESS I AM HEADED TO A CAM MEET OR AN MM EVENT SOMEWHERE. I HAVE SEEN PROBABLY ONLY 10 MMs ON THE ROAD IN 10 YEARS OUTSIDE OF EVENTS. IN THIS AREA, I SEE 2-3 SHOs EVERY DAY IN TRAFFIC. PLUS A CRAPLOAD OF LIMITEDS AND SELS. JUST ORDERED MY CERTIFICATE FROM FPG SO I CAN SEE HOW MANY WERE MADE AND IN WHAT COLORS.

Anyone here go from a MM to eco-SHO? I KEPT THE MARAUDER AND GOT A SHO AS A DAILY DRIVER. What were your thoughts?

I kept my Marauder and got a 2012 Taurus SHO as a daily driver. I like 'em both but for very different reasons. I like all the creature comforts on the SHO. Sirius radio, Sync, Back-up camera (absolutely necessary), Ambient lighting/multi-color with dimming, Adaptive cruise control, Collision warning, Moonroof, heated and cooled seats, dual zone climate control, and much more. It is a very comfortable car and nice to drive. Looks and feels very plush IMHO.

Kinda wish that I had waited until the 2013 models were released. I like the grille and the side badging better on the 2013 SHO vs. the earlier models. Grill is not interchangeable from what I've seen.

The Marauder well .... that's my weekend and show car now. Love the roar and the handling. Interior is almost "austere" when compared to the SHO. Visibility all around is much, much better than in the SHO which is one huge blind spot on the highway. Handles like a much smaller car. Sounds great. Looks great. Draws attention.

2003 Mercury Marauder MSRP $35,385. Paid $27,500.
2012 Ford Taurus SHO MSRP $42,145. Paid $37,000.

Both cars will be making the trip to 2013 Carlisle All Ford Nationals this year. Update: Both cars took 2nd Place in their class at Carlisle 2013 "All Ford Nationals".

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/medium/TwoCars0002.JPG (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/20914/title/2703-marauder-and-2712-taurus-sho/cat/500)

[F2F]

I have gone through the same thought process. here is what I have came too (and yes I like my MM for exactly the same reason you said.) I will dump money in my MM and maybe I wont get it back out but if you buy a new mass produced car you will loose money there as well. Here is the thing when it comes to cars there are no good decisions so you have decide what will make you happy and at what cost. i like my cars to stand out without me looking like a tool and the MM does that for me better than any 15k cost car could. All that being said, if your going to make the move have you looked at the CTSV?

[Jolly Roger]

See my listed stable and accompanying photo.
Flex has the SHO drive train.;)

[Vortech347]

I have gone through the same thought process. here is what I have came too (and yes I like my MM for exactly the same reason you said.) I will dump money in my MM and maybe I wont get it back out but if you buy a new mass produced car you will loose money there as well. Here is the thing when it comes to cars there are no good decisions so you have decide what will make you happy and at what cost. i like my cars to stand out without me looking like a tool and the MM does that for me better than any 15k cost car could. All that being said, if your going to make the move have you looked at the CTSV?

I have strongly considered the G8 and CTS-V. A friend of mine has a M112 on his CTS-V and its pretty damn fast. Hell, even stock they are faster than an MM. However....I just don't see myself putting a GM in my driveway unless its a C6.

Thank you for the input guys. I wish I could keep the MM when the time comes to move on but we have enough cars. Plus I plan on using the MM funds plus whatever to keep a healthy down payment. I refuse to keep car loans more than 2 years.

I've been tossing the idea around about just keeping it, not doing an SHO and Eaton swap in it. But at the same time I worry about modding my daily bread winner vehicle to much. Most of you that have modded cars/trucks know once you reach a certain point the chances of breaking stuff increases 10 fold. I can't show homes with a Mustang.

I guess no matter how I look at it. Even with today's cool tech/power. The Marauder STILL stands out as being a unique, cool, and classy car. It may end up just being a great chapter in my book of great journeys made with cars.

[guspech750]

Would never even consider trading or selling the Merc for an SHO.

Nothing unique about them.
Dime a dozen.
Gotta be expensive to fix. And it will break.
Already having lots of issues with the Ecoturd and trans.
Plenty of TSB's on it.
Marauders are easy to fix.
Marauders are a penny for every 10,000 instead of a dime a dozen.


Marauder really stands out, is super unique and bad ass looking.

If I (and it is a big IF) were to get rid of my Merc. It would have to be for a BMW M5. A car that is truly bad ass. But is $$$

Just my opinion.



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[Vortech347]

If I (and it is a big IF) were to get rid of my Merc. It would have to be for a BMW M5. A car that is truly bad ass. But is $$$

Just my opinion.



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After my first MM I almost pulled the trigger on an E39 M5. But the maintenance scared the **** out of me. My mom has always had beemers and never leaves the shop with less than a 2k bill

[guspech750]

After my first MM I almost pulled the trigger on an E39 M5. But the maintenance scared the **** out of me. My mom has always had beemers and never leaves the shop with less than a 2k bill

I hear ya. I really want to buy an M5 but I too am scared of the maintenance costs.

My wife wants to buy a 535 or 550 as a gift to herself for finishing her two masters programs this year.

I'm a little scared.


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[Mr. Man]

I have often wondered what we might get when Ms.D retires as she won't need the AWD gas hog Aviator. I'm thinking the Hyundai Equus. By then they should have the cheapness the magazines have been complaining about resolved. 400+ HP seating for 4 real Americans, 5 in a pinch. V-8 RWD. Looks like a Mercedes at a fraction of the cost. Might be worth a look.

[Motorhead350]

No marketing team will ever make a profit from my demands.

Marauder for life, NO substitutes.

[lji372]

No marketing team will ever make a profit from my demands.

Marauder for life, NO substitutes.

That's cool Dom but when your band hits the big time will that still apply?

I didn't even know about that hyundai:confused: sounds cool though. We had a sonata it was a great little car till the daughter totalled it. I wanted the loaded élantra but it was her car her choice :(

I like the electronics of the new stuff. I'll have to get the wife something nice like that. I'll stick with a work truck and the marauder.

I think I will go test drive a sho for the heck (fun) of it :D

[SC Cheesehead]

I have strongly considered the G8 and CTS-V. A friend of mine has a M112 on his CTS-V and its pretty damn fast. Hell, even stock they are faster than an MM. However....I just don't see myself putting a GM in my driveway unless its a C6.

Thank you for the input guys. I wish I could keep the MM when the time comes to move on but we have enough cars. Plus I plan on using the MM funds plus whatever to keep a healthy down payment. I refuse to keep car loans more than 2 years.

I've been tossing the idea around about just keeping it, not doing an SHO and Eaton swap in it. But at the same time I worry about modding my daily bread winner vehicle to much. Most of you that have modded cars/trucks know once you reach a certain point the chances of breaking stuff increases 10 fold. I can't show homes with a Mustang.

I guess no matter how I look at it. Even with today's cool tech/power. The Marauder STILL stands out as being a unique, cool, and classy car. It may end up just being a great chapter in my book of great journeys made with cars.

An Eaton swap will net you a healthy increase in power and you'll still have a very reliable vehicle if you keep a conservative tune in it. I used mine as a DD for several years before getting my pick up and had no reliability issues with it.

IMO, that's the route to go.

[JimmyXR7]

I kept my Marauder and got a 2012 Taurus SHO as a daily driver. I like 'em both but for very different reasons. I like all the creature comforts on the SHO. Sirius radio, Sync, Back-up camera (absolutely necessary), Ambient lighting/multi-color with dimming, Adaptive cruise control, Collision warning, Moonroof, heated and cooled seats, dual zone climate control, and much more. It is a very comfortable car and nice to drive. Looks and feels very plush IMHO.

Kinda wish that I had waited until the 2013 models were released. I like the grille and the side badging better on the 2013 SHO vs. the earlier models. Grill is not interchangeable from what I've seen.

The Marauder well .... that's my weekend and show car now. Love the roar and the handling. Interior is almost "austere" when compared to the SHO. Visibility all around is much, much better than in the SHO which is one huge blind spot on the highway. Handles like a much smaller car. Sounds great. Looks great. Draws attention.

2003 Mercury Marauder MSRP $35,385. Paid $27,500.
2012 Ford Taurus SHO MSRP $42,145. Paid $37,000.

Both cars will be making the trip to 2013 Carlisle All Ford Nationals this year.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/medium/TwoCars0002.JPG (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/20914/title/2703-marauder-and-2712-taurus-sho/cat/500)
You convinced me I should keep my Marauder. I also like the longer look of the Marauder vs the plug look of the eco-boost. How does the horsepower/performance of a supercharged Marauder compare to the eco-boost?
Jim
PS I do not use any of these items "Sirius radio, Sync, Back-up camera (absolutely necessary), Ambient lighting/multi-color with dimming, Adaptive cruise control, Collision warning, Moonroof, heated and cooled seats, dual zone climate control, and much more" on my wife's Navigator except the back-up sensor which I have to turn-off when trailer towing. I do not listen to music while driving my Marauder but use the CD player alot in the driveway. I will have to notice if it is because of the engine/exhaust sounds.

[Bluerauder]

You convinced me I should keep my Marauder. I also like the longer look of the Marauder vs the plug look of the eco-boost. How does the horsepower/performance of a supercharged Marauder compare to the eco-boost?
Jim
PS I do not use any of these items "Sirius radio, Sync, Back-up camera (absolutely necessary), Ambient lighting/multi-color with dimming, Adaptive cruise control, Collision warning, Moonroof, heated and cooled seats, dual zone climate control, and much more" on my wife's Navigator except the back-up sensor which I have to turn-off when trailer towing. I do not listen to music while driving my Marauder but use the CD player alot in the driveway. I will have to notice if it is because of the engine/exhaust sounds.

I had a different objective. Wasn't looking to "replace" the Marauder. Was looking for something nice and performance oriented for daily use to reduce the exposure of the MM to the idiots in Northern Virginia. Figured it was only a matter of time before I was rear-ended or side-swiped. Getting parts for the Taurus is easier. :)

Taurus SHO is probably around 310 RWHP (assuming about a 15% loss). Might be closer to 340 RWHP with the Livernois tune. Car should run well against some of the fastest N/A Marauders in the low-mid 13s. Taurus is about 125-150 pounds heavier than the MM. Quickest N/A MMs are at about 305 RWHP. It would be a close match. The tune might put it near 13.0 flat with a peek into the 12s. Most S/C MMs would be faster.

Understand about the "amenities" on the SHO. I didn't need them either; but after a year I am leaning more and more on them. Sirius for the 60s and 70s music, Sync for voice activated/hands-free calling, cooled seats for the tingly factor ;), back-up camera 'cause I can't judge the rear end position worth a crap using the mirrors because of the high azz end, ambient lighting at night 'cause it looks cool, adaptive cruise adjusts to the speed of the surrounding traffic, collision warning .... have used this a couple times. :o

Guess I am just getting to be an old softie. :P

[Croozer]

Would never even consider trading or selling the Merc for an SHO.

Nothing unique about them.
Dime a dozen.
Gotta be expensive to fix. And it will break.
Already having lots of issues with the Ecoturd and trans.
Plenty of TSB's on it.
Marauders are easy to fix.
Marauders are a penny for every 10,000 instead of a dime a dozen.


The new Taurus SHO is not a "dime a dozen" car.

[guspech750]

The new Taurus SHO is not a "dime a dozen" car.

I beg to differ. I see them almost everyday over here.


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[Bluerauder]

The new Taurus SHO is not a "dime a dozen" car.


I beg to differ. I see them almost everyday over here.

I see quite a few of them too .... but I can absolutely guarantee it ain't "a dime a dozen". I saw the bill and wrote the check. :P

[Croozer]

I see quite a few of them too .... but I can absolutely guarantee it ain't "a dime a dozen". I saw the bill and wrote the check. :P

The reasons the MM is not seen a lot on the streets:

1. It has been outta production since 2004.

2. It was never a big seller thus the short 2 year production run.

[Bluerauder]

The reasons the MM is not seen a lot on the streets:

1. It has been outta production since 2004.

2. It was never a big seller thus the short 2 year production run.

Even in 2004 when there were 11,052 out there, I rarely saw an MM on the streets. Now that there is probably less than half that number, it gets harder to find them on the open road. Many of the ones that are left are now kept in garages or under car covers and only come out on weekends. That also cuts down on how many you get an opportunity to see.

The MM was always planned as a limited production vehicle and probably never would have topped 16,000 of them if 2004 production ran at the same level as 2003.

The Marauder served its purpose in generating interest in the performance side of Mercury business by getting different people into the showroom and onto the sales lots. I bet they are even a little somewhat surprised in the "cult" following that the Marauder has spawned. Too bad that Mercury was already on its last legs when the MM was introduced.

I suspect that the Taurus SHO production in 2012 was closer to 25,000. Will let you know specifically when I get my FPG certificate in a couple days or so.

Man was I ever wrong on this ^^^^^^. Total SHOs produced in 2012 was 1,808. There were 478 made in Tuxedo Black Metallic. Mine is #318 of 478 according to the FPG Certificate received on 5/28/2013. Build date was 24 January 2012.

[2,4shofast]

Dibs on the SB!:beer: We almost got the Tuxedo Black that was at Westland last year but it wouldnt fit in the garage with the tool box....you get one first then I can see if I want to jump ship as well :lol:

[lji372]

i do see a lot of them on the road but not many are the sho. i've only seen 2 or 3 of those. but when i pull up to give the driver a nod to let him know i noticed his ride it's been a woman:confused:

:dunno: what's proper etiquette when that happens? :dunno:

[Vortech347]

i do see a lot of them on the road but not many are the sho. i've only seen 2 or 3 of those. but when i pull up to give the driver a nod to let him know i noticed his ride it's been a woman:confused:

:dunno: what's proper etiquette when that happens? :dunno:

If its my woman she'll nod back and go on green. :burnout:

[lji372]

If its my woman she'll nod back and go on green. :burnout:


:lol: mine would say take this back, people keep looking at me :lol:

[Raleigh Marauder]

I've not seen a whole lot, but then again at a quick glance they don't stand out at...

[Vortech347]

I've not seen a whole lot, but then again at a quick glance they don't stand out at...

Exactly, that is my issue. I enjoy a little "bling" I LOVE our new Escape but even it being deck out with every available option I still see 300000 everywhere. I don't like blending in. Its the whole ADD thing I think. "HEY LOOK AT ME!" yea...I like that.

[Raleigh Marauder]

Exactly, that is my issue. I enjoy a little "bling" I LOVE our new Escape but even it being deck out with every available option I still see 300000 everywhere. I don't like blending in. Its the whole ADD thing I think. "HEY LOOK AT ME!" yea...I like that.

I know what you mean... (says the guy with a Grabber Orange Mustang...) ;)

[BLACKMARAUDER04]

I purchased a 2010 MKS w/ ecoboost in October 2012.
It was certified (6/100 warranty), had 25000 miles on it.
Mileage varies from 13-25 on highway. Yes, it does get better mileage
the the Marauder. However, if you use the pedal, it drops.
I paid $32k, original sticker was over $57k.
I like that you don't see as many MKS's as Taurus's.
I have only seen one other MKS w/ the ecoboost badge.
It is also faster than the Marauder and quieter.
I still drive both cars. The Marauder has 153,000 +.
I am replacing the Blend door actuator as we speak. (I could only remove
one screw on it.) It has a torn ball joint boot and I probably should just replace the entire contol arms.
So maintenance cost is much lower than the 8-10 Year old Marauder.

[gpfarrell]

I guess no matter how I look at it. Even with today's cool tech/power. The Marauder STILL stands out as being a unique, cool, and classy car. It may end up just being a great chapter in my book of great journeys made with cars.

Well put!

But time moves on.

My "SHO" is a 2011 MKS with Ecoboost. It's got a tune from LMS and Eibach springs, and it ran a 12.9 at 104mph. I still have my Trilogy-only Marauder... best so far with it was 13.1 at 104mph. Gears, drag radials, pulleys, etc can make the boosted Marauders even faster, but for about $1,000 with labor for the springs and I've matched the acceleration of the Trilogy (and no other mods) Marauder.

I can't see the MKS ever matching the Marauder's attitude though. The Merc has that V8 grumble and the ability to fish-tail is just a push of the "Traction Control" button away. The Crown Vic silhoette is intimidating, and the valve covers... er, coil pack covers or whatever we're supposed to call them... look really wicked!

I intend to keep my MM forever.

But I love my MKS. The Marauders are 9-10 years old now. That's getting out there. I didn't want to run my MM into the ground, so when the MKS came along (in blue yet!) the decision was easy.


The technology of the MKS is relevent to me and easy to use. The AWD makes the performance much more attainable in real road conditions. The luxury features are just fine by me too.

Though I don't care, I think the MKS gets a couple more mpg in the city and the highway is about a wash.

I'm not sure that I'd take the MKS to a cruise... but without the Trilogy I might not have taken the Marauder to many either. However, I think if I wrote "12.9" in white shoe polish on the upper corner of the MKS's windshield it would be an entertaining cruise car!

Marauders were unique. That's why we all like them! I've found the adjustment to an Ecoboost MKS... or I'd assume an SHO... to be a very easy change.

Good luck with your choice.

[Panther dude]

I think the offerings will be better in a couple of years, really would like a Chevy SS. I think.

[Bluerauder]

I'm not sure that I'd take the MKS to a cruise... but without the Trilogy I might not have taken the Marauder to many either. However, I think if I wrote "12.9" in white shoe polish on the upper corner of the MKS's windshield it would be an entertaining cruise car!

You might be surprised. For grins I drove out to the weekly cruise-in at the Burger King in Manassas, VA last May 2012, parked it in the lot and popped the hood. I got lots of comments and questions. Sherm was there with his Marauder and was giving tours of my SHO to the young ladies. The most interesting and frequent comment since owning the Taurus SHO has been "I didn't know FORD made anything this nice." Seems the "Blue Oval" is still plagued with an image problem that goes back more than 25 years.

Oh yeah, something that hasn't been mentioned .... the trunk is a 50% bigger than the Marauder.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/medium/ManassasBK051220120001.JPG (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/21255/title/weekly-cruise-40-burger-king-2c-manassas-12-may-2012/cat/500)

[SC Cheesehead]

You might be surprised. For grins I drove out to the weekly cruise-in at the Burger King in Manassas, VA last May 2012, parked it in the lot and popped the hood. I got lots of comments and questions. Sherm was there with his Marauder and was giving tours of my SHO to the young ladies.

Oh yeah, something that hasn't been mentioned .... the trunk is a 50% bigger than the Marauder.



With or without the trunk organizer?

[Bluerauder]

With or without the trunk organizer?
I'd say 50% bigger with the trunk organizer and 25% without. The spare for the SHO sits in the tray so the floor of the trunk is open and flat all the way to the rear seats. Need even more room, the rear seats are split and can folded down to give you even more room.

Last year the wife wanted to take her Freestyle to the beach. I told her that I thought I could get everything in the Taurus. I was right. 3 large roll-on suitcases, bags of games and books, my daughter's miscellaneous carry-ons, Linens-Blankets-Pillows-and Towels for the week. It all went in easily with room to spare.

Stop at one of those Maryland produce stands enroute to the shore and picked up a large watermelon and a dozen ears of corn and some other produce and threw that in their. Stop and add a case of beer, sodas and a couple bottles of "spirits" too. Still room to spare.

[L.Mark]

Don't like the Eco-Boost. But I really like the look of the Taurus. If I was in the market for a new car, that's where I would head first and ask for the nice Laser red ones...and I swore I not haveanything less than V8 RWD...

[Bluerauder]

Don't like the Eco-Boost. But I really like the look of the Taurus. ...

I recommend that you NOT test drive the SHO. When I got mine, I drove an SEL, a Limited, and a SHO in that order on purpose.

[71cyclone]

Bluerauder.......

" YEP" Bluerauder -- KEPT his RARE BLUE MARAUDER / best of both worlds [ Police SHO has been clocked at 150 mph ]

[MyTMerc]

http://www.hennesseyperformance.com/maxboost445.html

Test drove a SHO last time I was in Detriot. It was a blast to drive. Lots of nice features in the cockpit. Our local dealers don't have any. Haven't pulled the trigger until after the sequestration furloughs.

Check out the linky....

[lji372]

What was the out the door price on the sho?
Internet says 39k ? I think I'd rather finish of the marauder color collection for that.

Convincing my wife of that would be the issue :(

[Ms. Denmark]

If your tall and on the heavy side take the Taurus on a good long test drive not just around the block. It's certainly is a nice car what with all the bells and whistles but if it ain't comfortable on a long haul..................


Mr. Man

[guspech750]

What was the out the door price on the sho?
Internet says 39k ? I think I'd rather finish of the marauder color collection for that.

Convincing my wife of that would be the issue :(

I've seen well over $45,000 at our local Ford.


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[Vortech347]

I wish I could keep it and get a SHO too, but I already have 2 toy cars.

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

SHO? Meh.. They are so similar to the base models. The new ones are much better looking in the front, but the back still look like a slab of a wall that is two-stories tall.

Why not look at a Charger RT/SRT or 300 SRT? These are much more appealing than any of the other crap out by the big 3.

If I had the coin I would do either an Audi S5, or S7, or BMW M3, M5, or M6 gran coupe Or MB C63 AMG. Sick cars.

[Vortech347]

SHO? Meh.. They are so similar to the base models. The new ones are much better looking in the front, but the back still look like a slab of a wall that is two-stories tall.

Why not look at a Charger RT/SRT or 300 SRT? These are much more appealing than any of the other crap out by the big 3.

If I had the coin I would do either an Audi S5, or S7, or BMW M3, M5, or M6 gran coupe Or MB C63 AMG. Sick cars.

I have to many good connections at Ford for service and parts. Also, I hate Mopar stuff. I'd much rather go GM.

[Bluerauder]

What was the out the door price on the sho?
Internet says 39k ? I think I'd rather finish of the marauder color collection for that.(

2003 Mercury Marauder MSRP $35,385. Paid $27,500.
2012 Ford Taurus SHO MSRP $42,145. Paid $37,000.

I pushed as hard as I could on the SHO because I didn't need to buy and really had not planned to buy that day. Was just trying to get out of the showroom and pick up some stuff from the grocery store before the wife got home from work. Might have been able to push another $500 or more off before they would let me walk out the door.


If your tall and on the heavy side take the Taurus on a good long test drive not just around the block. It's certainly is a nice car what with all the bells and whistles but if it ain't comfortable on a long haul..................

No problems for me. Plenty of head, hip and legroom for me.

[OleP71Dude]

Just my 2 cents -

I tried to sit in the SHO at last years Carlisle & could not comfortably fit in the driver's seat due to the HUGE center console.

I spoke with a MPD PO two weeks ago & asked him how he liked the new Taurus police cars (DC police are now rolling in the new Ford police interceptor & police utility - I am not sure which engine they are using) & he said he liked them better than the Impalas, but would rather drive the Crown Vic any day (his words). I asked him why that was & he said that he could not see out of the Taurus - lots of blind spots and he was always worried about someone coming up on him unseen. But he said it was comfortable inside. As we were leaving, he got into his car, I into mine (parked in the parking space by his passenger door) and he rolled down his passenger window to say that he could not even see my car (a P71) from his position without lifting himself up out of the seat.

[Bluerauder]

Just my 2 cents -

I tried to sit in the SHO at last years Carlisle & could not comfortably fit in the driver's seat due to the HUGE center console.

I spoke with a MPD PO two weeks ago & asked him how he liked the new Taurus police cars (DC police are now rolling in the new Ford police interceptor & police utility - I am not sure which engine they are using) & he said he liked them better than the Impalas, but would rather drive the Crown Vic any day (his words). I asked him why that was & he said that he could not see out of the Taurus - lots of blind spots and he was always worried about someone coming up on him unseen. But he said it was comfortable inside. As we were leaving, he got into his car, I into mine (parked in the parking space by his passenger door) and he rolled down his passenger window to say that he could not even see my car (a P71) from his position without lifting himself up out of the seat.

I would agree that the console in the Taurus SHO is large. It is wider and stands taller than that in the Marauder. However, it doesn't impact my space or driver comfort. I am 5'11" and about 225 pounds. Not small; but well within the 95% percentile demographic. No doubt there are 5% out there who need more space. Merc noted that he had rented a Taurus on a trip out west and found the space "fatiguing" because of cramped legroom on his right side. He is about the same size as I am ... so it must also be a factor of driving posture or something since I have a good 2 inch clearance on my right leg and it doesn't naturally rest on the side of the console.

As far a "Blind Spots" in the Taurus, I can agree to a certain extent. That has been my biggest complaint with the car since I have had it. I have adjusted to its visibility issues. The rear camera is a necessity for backing since the high rear end blocks most stuff within about 25 feet. The C-pillars can hide 18-wheelers. Even a glance to the left or right is limited because of the wide B-pillars and high belt/waistline. Half of the passenger side rear window is obscured by the headrests. You must not have been parked exactly to the side of the guy above 'cause he would have been able to see your P71. If you were offset by 6 feet back .... different story.

No doubt some will have problems with space and comfort in the Taurus. I don't. As for "Blind Spots", I have adapted. I don't think there are many cars out there that can match the fishbowl visibility of the Panther platform for all-around views. Could be that the Marauder, GM and CV have spoiled us. ;)

For the Record: People in Northern Virginia, DC and MD only stare out the front windshield, never use their mirrors, and are afraid to look out the side windows for fear of making eye contact with other life forms. Checking to the sides and rear is also very distracting to cellphone use and texting. So, blind spots are irrelevant on much of the Mid-Atlantic area. :P

[guspech750]

I did test drive a new Taurus. Very nice inside. Very comfy. Liked the interior layout. I do give the interior big thumbs up.:)

I just wish the SHO stood out a little more than the Taurus. I saw a white one parked a few cars from me yesterday and it just easily blended in.:(


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[OleP71Dude]

I would agree that the console in the Taurus SHO is large. It is wider and stands taller than that in the Marauder. However, it doesn't impact my space or driver comfort. I am 5'11" and about 225 pounds. Not small; but well within the 95% percentile demographic. No doubt there are 5% out there who need more space. Merc noted that he had rented a Taurus on a trip out west and found the space "fatiguing" because of cramped legroom on his right side. He is about the same size as I am ... so it must also be a factor of driving posture or something since I have a good 2 inch clearance on my right leg and it doesn't naturally rest on the side of the console. And those of you that small (small enuff to fit in cars w/o rubbing here & there) are BLESSED, trust me, I know !

As far a "Blind Spots" in the Taurus, I can agree to a certain extent. That has been my biggest complaint with the car since I have had it. I have adjusted to its visibility issues. The rear camera is a necessity for backing since the high rear end blocks most stuff within about 25 feet. The C-pillars can hide 18-wheelers. Even a glance to the left or right is limited because of the wide B-pillars and high belt/waistline. Half of the passenger side rear window is obscured by the headrests. You must not have been parked exactly to the side of the guy above 'cause he would have been able to see your P71. If you were offset by 6 feet back .... different story. Yeah, everything is tight in DC - we were right next to each other - I had to be careful not to ding his door with my door when I opened it. So, we were close.

No doubt some will have problems with space and comfort in the Taurus. I don't. As for "Blind Spots", I have adapted. I don't think there are many cars out there that can match the fishbowl visibility of the Panther platform for all-around views. Could be that the Marauder, GM and CV have spoiled us. ;) Amen to that ! :)

For the Record: People in Northern Virginia, DC and MD only stare out the front windshield, never use their mirrors, and are afraid to look out the side windows for fear of making eye contact with other life forms. Checking to the sides and rear is also very distracting to cellphone use and texting. So, blind spots are irrelevant on much of the Mid-Atlantic area. :P Double, Triple Amen to THAT ! And that is a darn shame !

[Bluerauder]

I did test drive a new Taurus. Very nice inside. Very comfy. Liked the interior layout. I do give the interior big thumbs up.:)

I just wish the SHO stood out a little more than the Taurus. I saw a white one parked a few cars from me yesterday and it just easily blended in.:(


No argument here. Not much visible difference in the 2012 and earlier models. Just a small SHO rear emblem on the trunklid and even smaller SHO on the rear window trim. SHO has a real dual exhaust. Limited has a Faux dual exhaust. SEL has twin pipes on the left side.

Some of this was changed in 2013. Only the SHO gets the black mesh grill. Side badging is more prominent on the front fenders. Seatbacks are embossed with "SHO". Rear is about the same but the spoiler looks a little different.

Unless you know what to look for, an SHO does blend with the rest of the line-up. To the uninformed appliance drivers, it may as well be a Nissan or Honda or Hyundai or whatever. :rolleyes:

[Bluerauder]

Would never even consider trading or selling the Merc for an SHO.

Nothing unique about them.
Dime a dozen.

Got my FPG certificate today for the SHO. Much more rare than even I thought. Total SHO Production in 2012 was 1,808. Just 478 in Tuxedo Black. Mine is #318 of 478 in Tux Black and #1,483 of 1,808 Overall.

They came in eight (8) colors including Kona Blue (1), Dark Blue Pearl (76), Sterling Gray (149), Candy Apple Red (228), Ingot Silver (254), Ebony Black (303), White Platinum (319), and Tuxedo Black (478). I saw a DBP at Carlisle last year. If I had seen it at the dealer, I would have one of those.

Here's the new SHO Board ......

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/medium/SHOrauderDisplayBoard_28_May_1 2.jpg

[2,4shofast]

Got my FPG certificate today for the SHO. Much more rare than even I thought. Total SHO Production in 2012 was 1,808. Just 478 in Tuxedo Black. Mine is #318 of 478 in Tux Black and #1,483 of 1,808 Overall.

They came in eight (8) colors including Kona Blue (1), Dark Blue Pearl (76), Sterling Gray (149), Candy Apple Red (228), Ingot Silver (254), Ebony Black (303), White Platinum (319), and Tuxedo Black (478). I saw a DBP at Carlisle last year. If I had seen it at the dealer, I would have one of those.

That is pretty awesome! Not very many at all!:beer:

[gpfarrell]

Wow, that is rare!

I wonder if the MKS Ecoboost is outselling the SHO?

[Mebot]

Nice showboard Charlie! Very well done

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[guspech750]

Got my FPG certificate today for the SHO. Much more rare than even I thought. Total SHO Production in 2012 was 1,808. Just 478 in Tuxedo Black. Mine is #318 of 478 in Tux Black and #1,483 of 1,808 Overall.

They came in eight (8) colors including Kona Blue (1), Dark Blue Pearl (76), Sterling Gray (149), Candy Apple Red (228), Ingot Silver (254), Ebony Black (303), White Platinum (319), and Tuxedo Black (478). I saw a DBP at Carlisle last year. If I had seen it at the dealer, I would have one of those.

Here's the new SHO Board ......

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/medium/SHOrauderDisplayBoard_28_May_1 2.jpg

I thought you bought a blue SHO.

That is a low build number. And a nice board too. But I still see them every week around here. Just saw a black one with the black rims today. Really dig the black rims I saw.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/30/qe8y7a5e.jpg


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[68MercuryM250]

I like the Taurus (SEL version) OK. It drives out fine, SEL trim, 3.5 liter is peppy enough for momma. She drives 30-35k miles per year so we pretty well punish one in 3 to 4 years. I have always preferred rear drive vehicles....The Taurus is the first FWD I bought on purpose. It does have many more blind spots than our MM's. To me, The SHO just wasnt worth the extra $18k considering we blow through cars so often......but then I did not drive one at the dealer for fear of spending another $18k.

I would buy another Taurus............ but this time with Leather seats. I am 5'11 and a svelt 225.lbs and I certainly do not want this car to be any smaller on long road trips.

Do they make the SHO with a manual gear box or is it a "paddle shift auto" only?? Good luck in your decision!

[Raleigh Marauder]

I like the Taurus (SEL version) OK. It drives out fine, SEL trim, 3.5 liter is peppy enough for momma. She drives 30-35k miles per year so we pretty well punish one in 3 to 4 years. I have always preferred rear drive vehicles....The Taurus is the first FWD I bought on purpose. It does have many more blind spots than our MM's. To me, The SHO just wasnt worth the extra $18k considering we blow through cars so often......but then I did not drive one at the dealer for fear of spending another $18k.

I would buy another Taurus............ but this time with Leather seats. I am 5'11 and a svelt 225.lbs and I certainly do not want this car to be any smaller on long road trips.

Do they make the SHO with a manual gear box or is it a "paddle shift auto" only?? Good luck in your decision!

Exactly what we did... Couldn't justify the cost for the SHO, and have a red SEL (with leather). It's a nice ride. My wife puts about 25k on hers per year. On a side note, she drove the Marauder for the first time in a few months and came back and said she misses it...

[68MercuryM250]

Exactly what we did... Couldn't justify the cost for the SHO, and have a red SEL (with leather). It's a nice ride. My wife puts about 25k on hers per year. On a side note, she drove the Marauder for the first time in a few months and came back and said she misses it...


My own personal cars for the next few/several years WILL BE Marauders...... nuff of this front wheel drive stuff, I leave that to momma. I am simply Trying to collect one Marauder in each of the four flavorful and zesty colors...... ;)

[Bluerauder]

I thought you bought a blue SHO. NOPE, I GOT THE TUX BLACK WHICH IS THE LARGEST PRODUCTION NUMBER AT 478. I SAW A DBP BLUE SHO AT CARLISLE LAST YEAR AND REALLY LIKED IT. THERE WERE NONE LOCALLY WHEN I GOT MINE.

That is a low build number. And a nice board too. THANKS. But I still see them every week around here. SO DO I AROUND HERE IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA. I WAS SURPRISED AND FIGURED THEY MADE 6,000 OF THEM. Just saw a black one with the black rims today. Really dig the black rims I saw. THOSE ARE 20 INCH RIMS. HAD A CHANCE TO PICK UP A SET WITH TIRES FOR $1,500 AND PASSED UP THE OPPORTUNITY AT THE TIME. NOW I WISH I HAD GOTTEN THEM BUT IT WAS TOO SOON AFTER I BOUGHT THE CAR AND CONVINCING THE WIFE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN EASY. ;)

My comments in RED ^^^^^ above.


Do they make the SHO with a manual gear box or is it a "paddle shift auto" only?? Good luck in your decision!

Nope, all of them (2012) came with the 6 speed Auto with Paddle Shifters according to the Option/Color breakout that came with my certificate. With 8 colors and about 30 options, it is a much more complicated breakout than the Marauder.

[68MercuryM250]

I am sure I will kick myself for not getting the SHO. That is a super sharp car you bought. I am anxious to hear your impression after some time tooling around in her. Enjoy and congrats!!

Stu

[Bluerauder]

I am sure I will kick myself for not getting the SHO. That is a super sharp car you bought. I am anxious to hear your impression after some time tooling around in her. Enjoy and congrats!!

Stu

Thanks. I don't get as many "compliments" on the SHO as with the Marauder. As was mentioned here earlier, it kinda blends in with a lot of the other cars out there and most people don't even know what they are looking at. One guy asked me if it was one of those economy models because of the "EcoBoost" badging. Wish they would have used a different name. It does get great MPG (about 30) on the highway and closer to 22 around town and runs on 87 Octane. But at 365 HP stock, I wouldn't classify it as an economy car. ;)

I have already had the SHO for 15 months and have put 16,500 miles on it. So, I have plenty of time tooling around in it. I like it a lot ... especially the comfort and the amenities. The Marauder almost seems "austere" compared to the SHO for bells and whistles. Power is just fine and acceleration is quick and smooth. Shifts are firm, smooth and quick. Handling is not as good as the Marauder IMHO. Seems to have a bit of understeer to me and a small amount of body roll that is barely noticeable but there nonetheless. Probably should have opted for the SHO performance package and the 20 inch wheels with 245/45/20s Y-rated tires. That would have added about $3000-$4000 to the sticker and pushed the MSRP to about $46K. I didn't want to push the gag factor that far .... but if the one I saw on the lot had it ... I wouldn't have made them take all of it off. :rofl:

I estimate mid-13s in the quartermile. Should be at 13.0 flat with the LMS tune (Livernois) that pushes the HP to 400. The two small turbos spool up rapidly so there is no lag to speak of. Mash the pedal and its ....... GONE. Nice roar after it passes 2000 RPM but noticeably NOT a V-8 roar.

10 years ago, I didn't need heated or cooled seats, ambient lighting, SYNC activate phone and services, satellite radio, leather and velour seats, dual climate control, collision warning, back-up camera, rear sensors, blindspot monitor, etc. and many other features. Guess I am getting pretty soft in my old age and I kinda like all this technology.

Bottomline is that I really like the SHO; but I still love my Marauder. Both of them do the job. The SHO gets me to and from work and is great for family trips 'cause its trunk is huge. It'll carry more than the Marauder believe it or not. Only drawback to the SHO is visibility and blindspots .... but I am used to it now. Its not a fishbowl like the Marauder .... so we have been spoiled by the all round visibility of the Panther platform.

[gpfarrell]

I would have said all of the above, except I didn't feel like typing that much!:D

[Bluerauder]

I ordered my SHO Boards today. I did the layout and design. Will be mounted on 1/4" foamboard and laminated by FedEx Office. Will pick them up tomorrow. Total cost = $61.62 plus tax for:

18" x 24" hood board = $39.99
11" x 17" trunk board = $12.88
8.5" x 11" dash board = $8.75

Works out to about $13.33 per square foot for the large board mounted and laminated. About the same for the others. Can't beat that. ;)

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/medium/SHOrauderDisplayBoard_28_May_1 2.jpg

[sweetair]

Just bought a 2013 SHO back in Dec. Love this car. It really is pretty quick for a turbo'd 6. I like the look and the ride is great. Mine has the PP and all options. The Marauder is still here and always will be. Just keep the one and get the other.

[Mr. Man]

Nice show board Charlie. I had no idea the SHO was such a rare commodity.

I sat across from a 2013 model this past Thursday at my local cruise nite. The Ford dealer brought down a black one. I stared at it for a while and it stared back and unfortunately it just has no "WOW" factor visually. I couldn't get excited over the "Hot Wheels" edition Camaro the Chevy dealer brought and the Challenger now just looks dated.

[Bluerauder]

I sat across from a 2013 model this past Thursday at my local cruise nite. The Ford dealer brought down a black one. I stared at it for a while and it stared back and unfortunately it just has no "WOW" factor visually.

Here is the WOW factor in a video .... guess you don't want a "ride-along" at Carlisle?

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[tbone]

Oh yeah, something that hasn't been mentioned .... the trunk is a 50% bigger than the Marauder.



Yeah, and it looks like it. The car looks freaky tall from the rear. It's practically a minivan. Other than that I like the car.

[guspech750]

That green looks great.

I've wondered about the traction control issues. Our Chrysler Aspen does the same thing. I try to go play in the snow with the truck but still even with the button pushed off, the TC still kicks in.

Can "tunes" override that garbage?


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[71cyclone]

I have often wondered what we might get when Ms.D retires as she won't need the AWD gas hog Aviator. I'm thinking the Hyundai Equus. By then they should have the cheapness the magazines have been complaining about resolved. 400+ HP seating for 4 real Americans, 5 in a pinch. V-8 RWD. Looks like a Mercedes at a fraction of the cost. Might be worth a look.

The Equus is no Joke //Lexus 460 quality and performance ,Car comes 2 wayz loaded and loaded with extras . // Drive one and you will be a believer, also keep in mind that they did something Honda could not do, and that was build 2 top notch V8 sedans [ EQ and Genesis ] for reasonable Coins >>>:beer:

[Mr. Man]

Here is the WOW factor in a video .... guess you don't want a "ride-along" at Carlisle?

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gdkmkHkG2roFirst off Charlie I agree the SHO is a zippy car but it has no pizzazz (IMHO). Second, I'd be willing to bet that Carl Edwards car is not showroom available. I'd bet because it's a commercial it has a special tune and all the nannies are able to be turned off.


The Equus is no Joke //Lexus 460 quality and performance ,Car comes 2 ways loaded and loaded with extras . // Drive one and you will be a believer, also keep in mind that they did something Honda could not do, and that was build 2 top notch V8 sedans [ EQ and Genesis ] for reasonable Coins >>>:beer:I agree. The Koreans have also learned from the Japanese and have cut the Q/C issues that the Japanese cars had in the late 60's and 70's. Within 10 years or so they went from joke car makers to serious contenders. If we get to the point of needing another car I'd have no issue checking out the Eqqus if it is still available.

[Vortech347]

Can't turn off the TC? **** that. I do plan on open tracking/Auto-xing as I do with my MM now.

[Vortech347]

Just a bump to this.

Our Escape is at Ford and they gave me a Taurus Limited to drive until the repairs are done. First impressions...

What I hate
#1, my head is sore. Slammed it on the roof edge getting in...
#2, The blind spot on that car could fit a whale. Yes I know it has the fancy little mirrors and the "monitoring" but I trust what I can see directly and systems fail.
#3, The interior is aweful. The dash is insanely high, huge, and if I wanted to sit in a bathtub, I would. Waste of space. Feel more confined than my fox body with racing seats and 5-points. Reaching up to the dash/display for everything is a pain.
#4, The digital tach that has a slower refresh rate than a 486 running Doom 3. Its useless.


Things I liked/loved.

#1, Ride quality. WOW, very smooth.
#2, Handling. Feels much more planted than the MM does.
#3, Transmission. Very smooth seemless shifts. Didn't take 10 years to downshift when you mat the go pedal.

Not love, Not Hate...
#1, Engine, for being N/A it moves when you ask it too
#2, Looks. Its nice, but still plain jane.

So basically I need to make my Marauder handle a bit better and keep slamming the miles on it.

[marauder mama]

I have a bone stock MM, I'm sure that just about every other MM here and every SHO can outrun and outhandle it. But I love it just the way Ford made it and would not modify a thing on it including the sound system. And I would never consider selling it for a new SHO or anything else. I see nothing wrong with modifications, SHO's or BMW's, just not "my thing".

There is something about an American made, V-8, rear wheel drive car thats hard to beat and harder to explain.

[Vortech347]

The wife stole the Marauder to take to work because she didn't want to drive the Taurus. So, I spent 160 miles in the Taurus today showing homes. These clients have ridden in my MM too. They said the liked the MM interior and engine noise better in the MM but thought the ride quality and quiet cabin were better in the Taurus.

Also we went through an area with "speed humps" Figuring what the hell its a rental I went over them at the posted speed limit. The car soaked them up very well, nothing bottomed out at all and made a quiet "thud" going over them.

The car is kinda growing on me. But no where near to where I'd want to sign the dotted line on one. Checking my blind spots is a ***** for some reason (received a middle finger) and I have short arms and can't reach the damn information screen without really leaning forward. I still hate how cramped I feel with the high mount dash/console, and resting my arm on the door with the window down feels like I'm doing the chicken dance.

[sflrainmaker01]

What was the out the door price on the sho?
Internet says 39k ? I think I'd rather finish of the marauder color collection for that.

Convincing my wife of that would be the issue :(

That's the way I would roll. In addition, I would want at least one Trilogy in the mix.;) :burnout::burnout:

However, it is amazing what some of these new cars can do, but they never hold their value and it's just big money down the drain, if you ask me. I just bought my wife our first GM car, no imports for me!:hotrice:

We got a 2012 Chevy Impala LT that was one year old with super low miles. She is very happy with it and it has driven flawlessly for the last year. For some reason, she didn't like the lines on the Taurus. Personally, if I was forced to get something else (for me), it would most likely be a Charger SRT or 300 SRT. I drove just an RT Charger for a few days and it was very impressive (performance wise). BTW, we are Realtors too!:beer:

[88LTDCV351]

I'm sure the Taurus SHO is a fine car. Maybe I'll rent one someday. But give me something cheap, reliable, and economical for a daily driver. And if there is room for more cars or garage queens, I'm totally old school. Give me a car built for car guys and looks distinctly American.

I'd take any number of muscle cars, classic cars, vintage police cars, etc. over a new Taurus or Taurus SHO. I guess I'm the only one still trying to hold onto Americana (or at least it feels like it since I moved to California).

[Joe Walsh]

Charlie,
It looks like FORD is testing the SHO's V6 for the 24 Hours of Daytona:

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That's a toasty twin turbo!!
Wonder what kind of HP that sucker is cranking out?

[JBeezy]

My buddy has a 2010 Lincoln MKS with ecoboost. Runs great. It went 13.70's in the 1/4 mile


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[lji372]

I have a bone stock MM, I'm sure that just about every other MM here and every SHO can outrun and outhandle it. But I love it just the way Ford made it and would not modify a thing on it including the sound system. And I would never consider selling it for a new SHO or anything else. I see nothing wrong with modifications, SHO's or BMW's, just not "my thingYET!!!".

There is something about an American made, V-8, rear wheel drive car thats hard to beat and harder to explain.

Fixed! Your welcome :D

[Joe Walsh]

OK Charlie,
That FORD prototype with the 3.5 Ecoboost engine just set a new Daytona track record!....:banana2:
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20131009/GRAND_AM/131009787?utm_source=DailyDriv e20131010&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=missedarticle2&utm_content=20131009-Ford-Racing,-Colin-Braun-and-Michael-Shank-come,-see,-conquer-Daytona-speed-record&utm_campaign=awdailydrive

And it is 60% production line parts....very cool!


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[Bluerauder]

OK Charlie,
That FORD prototype with the 3.5 Ecoboost engine just set a new Daytona track record!....:banana2:

And it is 60% production line parts....very cool!


222.971 MPH on a 2.5 mile track ...... that's an airplane not a car. ;)

It also broke the 10 Kilometer and 10 Mile records from a standing start.

The engine is making 100 HP per cylinder .... that's got be some kind of milestone too.

[Mr. Man]

I have a bone stock MM, I'm sure that just about every other MM here and every SHO can outrun and outhandle it. But I love it just the way Ford made it and would not modify a thing on it including the sound system. And I would never consider selling it for a new SHO or anything else. I see nothing wrong with modifications, SHO's or BMW's, just not "my thing".

There is something about an American made, V-8, rear wheel drive car thats hard to beat and harder to explain.If all you ever mod is the tune you'll be even happier.

[Vortech347]

If all you ever mod is the tune you'll be even happier.

Agree'd. Stock calibration is MUSH.

[Stranger in the Black Sedan]

I agree that the peace of mind knowing you can fix everything yourself is something to strongly consider. I would have a really hard time giving up control by having a car that would really have to be dealer serviced. My 2 newest cars are the Fords and they are getting on in age, and although they are both in very fine condition compared to the average cars of this age, it's hard to overlook the power/economy/tech offered by the new direct injected, turbo, etc cars. I have owned a lot of muscle cars over the years and have pretty much burned out on anything that old. It's a sliding scale of what is too obsolete for me, at some point I just get tired of driving really old stuff w/ bad ergonomics around. My "really old" projects are now 1980s.

[Joe Walsh]

I agree that the peace of mind knowing you can fix everything yourself is something to strongly consider. I would have a really hard time giving up control by having a car that would really have to be dealer serviced. My 2 newest cars are the Fords and they are getting on in age, and although they are both in very fine condition compared to the average cars of this age, it's hard to overlook the power/economy/tech offered by the new direct injected, turbo, etc cars. I have owned a lot of muscle cars over the years and have pretty much burned out on anything that old. It's a sliding scale of what is too obsolete for me, at some point I just get tired of driving really old stuff w/ bad ergonomics around. My "really old" projects are now 1980s.

A BIG +1!

I have 2 mid 80's 'four eyed' Mustangs.
As much as I love them (I bought the '85 GT new for the massive sum of $11,650!)
They are very much outdated.
I can put a bunch of money in them, and probably will, but my brother just bought a 2013 BOSS 302, and I made the mistake of driving it.

:eek:

Good GAWD is that thing a freakin' E ticket ride!!
Great brakes, great suspension, great seats, great dash-gauges...and that wicked 7,500 rpm 440 HP V8 that gets better gas mileage than my 210 HP 5.0L.
That new 5.0L just pulls and pulls......and PULLS!

BTW: My problem with the new SHO is that it is HUGE!!!....and looks HUGE!
I'm more inclined to go back to my teenage roots and get a smaller, stick shift, fun car like the new Focus ST.

[Stranger in the Black Sedan]

Yeppers. Even right now I am wondering what the hell I am doing. I rebuilt my 5.0 32 valve Porsche 928 this past year and have thrown many many thousands into it. It's still an old piece o junk and even though it was pretty amazing HP for the era (288 hp in 1986) it's slower than most modern 4 cyl turbo run of the mill cars. A 2.0T Hyundai Sonata would destroy it.

[Joe Walsh]

Video of the Ecoboost V6 Prototype racer:

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[Vortech347]

If they stuck the V6 Ecoboost in the Fusion, I would have purchased one by now. I just can't get over that stupid Taurus interior!!

[Joe Walsh]

If they stuck the V6 Ecoboost in the Fusion, I would have purchased one by now. I just can't get over that stupid Taurus interior!!

They do have an EcoBoost.....but it is missing 2 cylinders.....:(

The Fusion with the V6 EcoBoost would be a transmission and tire annihilating beast!

[Vortech347]

They do have an EcoBoost.....but it is missing 2 cylinders.....:(

The Fusion with the V6 EcoBoost would be a transmission and tire annihilating beast!

Exactly. V6 ECO boost would truly be what the SHO was ment to be (In a former Taurus/Fusion sized car) Good power in a mid-size package. Not the replacement for the full size panther cars. But for some reason most of Fords line up got fat. Ever see a S197 next to a Fox Body?

[Joe Walsh]

Exactly. V6 ECO boost would truly be what the SHO was ment to be (In a former Taurus/Fusion sized car) Good power in a mid-size package. Not the replacement for the full size panther cars.
But for some reason most of Fords line up got fat.
Ever see a S197 next to a Fox Body?

I know what you mean.
My nephew has a 2006 GT and when he parked it next to my Marauder I was surprised at how big it was.

Even worse is the new Camaro.
I went to a car show a few years ago, when the Camaro was brand new.
We were parked next to each other and I couldn't believe how big the Camaro was!

.....V......V......V.......V

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[Mr. Man]

I know what you mean.
My nephew has a 2006 GT and when he parked it next to my Marauder I was surprised at how big it was.

Even worse is the new Camaro.
I went to a car show a few years ago, when the Camaro was brand new.
We were parked next to each other and I couldn't believe how big the Camaro was!

.....V......V......V.......V

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Problem is that these new cars look big on the outside but somehow the manufacturers have managed to make them tiny on the inside. If you more than 5'8" and 160 lbs they are a tight squeeze. So if I'm forced to shoehorn myself into a car I'd go for something fun like a Focus ST go-cart.:burnout:

[gpfarrell]

My buddy has a 2010 Lincoln MKS with ecoboost. Runs great. It went 13.70's in the 1/4 mile


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My 2011 MKS ran a 12.97 with just an attitude adjustment. Until Mercury comes out with a new Marauder I'm happy to keep my old one in semi-retirement and pour the miles on the MKS.

[BUCKWHEAT]

My 2011 MKS ran a 12.97 with just an attitude adjustment. Until Mercury comes out with a new Marauder I'm happy to keep my old one in semi-retirement and pour the miles on the MKS.

My bone stock 2010 MKS Ecoboost ran 14.22 at 98 with dismal 2.2 60 foot.

[Mr. Man]

My 2011 MKS ran a 12.97 with just an attitude adjustment. Until Mercury comes out with a new Marauder I'm happy to keep my old one in semi-retirement and pour the miles on the MKS.
You do know Mercury is no more don't you? :confused:

[gpfarrell]

You do know Mercury is no more don't you? :confused:

Well,yeah.

But a guy can dream, right?

[gpfarrell]

My bone stock 2010 MKS Ecoboost ran 14.22 at 98 with dismal 2.2 60 foot.

That's not so good. :confused:

[JBeezy]

Buddies MKS went 13.43 last night with a 1.98 60'. It spun off the line. Didn't get to run it again since it started sprinkling


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[Limited360]

Buddies MKS went 13.43 last night with a 1.98 60'. It spun off the line. Didn't get to run it again since it started sprinkling


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Did you run your car?

[JBeezy]

No. Need a larger pulley for less boost and tires


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[Limited360]

No. Need a larger pulley for less boost and tires


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Ah... Thought you had it tuned with current pulley already... My bad!

[breeze]

Guess u don't want a Dodge.lol love my 392 challenger, turned more heads and got more compliments in the 1st week of owning it then 4yrs with the marauder.

There's a couple very low 12 sec (12.1-12.3) stock challengers out there motortrend says will run 12.5 in 1/4.

I adored the MM but only this I miss is the ride, how it just glided through on the rode.

[Limited360]

Guess u don't want a Dodge.lol love my 392 challenger, turned more heads and got more compliments in the 1st week of owning it then 4yrs with the marauder.

There's a couple very low 12 sec (12.1-12.3) stock challengers out there motortrend says will run 12.5 in 1/4.

I adored the MM but only this I miss is the ride, how it just glided through on the rode.

I get compliments daily when I take my car out... See 392 challenger all day long... Especially in metro Detroit.

[Guittard22]

The SHO Taurus looks cool has a fat butt loke the marauder lol but 43k for the top of the line awd sho ........ wow

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

^ Agreed. I can't stand how bloated the back end of the Taurus' look. Combined with the ridiculously high roof line, makes it very unattractive to me. I would rather consider an MKS and lower it.

I have recently looked into two door Audi S5s (V8 with manual), but if I were to look into a 4-door, I would consider a Dodge Charger.

[Vortech347]

^ Agreed. I can't stand how bloated the back end of the Taurus' look. Combined with the ridiculously high roof line, makes it very unattractive to me. I would rather consider an MKS and lower it.

I have recently looked into two door Audi S5s (V8 with manual), but if I were to look into a 4-door, I would consider a Dodge Charger.

I went and drove one the other day. Interior blows. Again, the door/window lines are way to high and the dash surrounds you. I don't need to feel like I'm in a submarine. I have better front end awareness in my fox with a cowl hood than a Charger.

GM is re-releasing the G8 with the Impala SS coming back out. My buddy works at the local Chev dealer. When they get one he's gonna give me a call so I can come drive it.

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

I went and drove one the other day. Interior blows. Again, the door/window lines are way to high and the dash surrounds you. I don't need to feel like I'm in a submarine. I have better front end awareness in my fox with a cowl hood than a Charger.

GM is re-releasing the G8 with the Impala SS coming back out. My buddy works at the local Chev dealer. When they get one he's gonna give me a call so I can come drive it.

I know what you mean about the interior, the bloated center dash/console makes it even more claustrophobic.

Keep an eye out for what Buick decides to do with the new grand national too. There isn't a definite answer as to what it looks like, and what power train it will use for sure.

[BLACKMARAUDER04]

I purchased a 2010 Certified MKS w/ Ecoboost.
Paid $31000 for a car that listed over $57000.
Biggest advantage: No repairs. It is plenty fast for stock.
I get a little better gas mileage in the city, way better on the highway.
Seeing out the sides and rear are bad. Thank goodness for Rear back-up camera.
THe Marauder is in the middle of over $2000 in repaires.
Front Upper Control Arms w/ Ball joint
Rear Control arms (Bushings fell apart)
Now either the differental or Axel is broken (Making loud Noise).

[Marauder85]

So part of the "Plan" the wife and I have we've now gotten her something pretty new. (11' Escape) Once we have it paid off in about 2 years I'll be selling the Merc to get an Eco Boost SHO. As fun as this sounds I have reservations, and you guys may think they are stupid.

#1. I love knowing I can fix this car without any special tools. The drive train is not unique to one specific or limited. The last SHO I had parts were a NIGHTMARE.

#2. V8 Sound and RWD. I start my car up and people are like "Damn..." and cruising around its such a great sound and... BRAKESTANDS (need I say more?) WHEEEEEW YEEEEEAH BABY!!! BEST BRAKESTANDS EVER!!!!
:beer:

[Motorhead350]

The SHO is still ugly. I don't care how many turbo chargers it has.

[gpfarrell]

... BRAKESTANDS (need I say more?) WHEEEEEW YEEEEEAH BABY!!! BEST BRAKESTANDS EVER!!!!
:beer:


Hee-hee.

I heard if you lightly engage the parking brake on an AWD SHO or MKS, the AWD disengages and you're left with front wheel drive.

Hee-hee.

Now, I don't think you have a near-bulletproof drivetrain, so I don't think you want to try this often... but they'll smoke like you won't believe... even from a 10mph roll! :banana2: