500 Club

[jwibbity]

My setup currently is and eaton swap @~10lbs of boost, 4.10's, dleted rear cats, 4" non resonated tips, 39# injectors, and a tune from martyo giving me a nice 428hp/378tq combo.

I have no fuel mods, exhaust(besides above), or internal engine mods

Would it be possible fo rme to get to 500hp on the stock block, and if so what would i need to get there??? I know headers would be about 40-50 hp but i would still need about another 25-30 hp to break 500.

So besides headers what would be next??

[RubberCtyRauder]

I don't think 500rwhp on a totally stock block and internals is recommended. I've alwasy read here that 450 rwhp is the higher end one should go with stock engine. I'm sure the members here with more hp will let you know what they have done to get 500+

[Mr. Man]

Most members here who are running 500+ rwhp have swapped engines to say a Terminator or Aluminator block. I believe the stock block itself can handle the power but the rods and such can not.

[Loco1234]

it can handle it... BUT u are gonna significantly reduce the engine life...

[Spectragod]

Unless you want to be putting the site glass mod into the side of the block, go forged.......

[sailsmen]

".....to break 500." says it all!
It's not just the engine. I have been running ~540RWHP for 70K miles. It is only as strong as the weakest link.

[clmrt]

Just a question - what would 500hp do that 428 could not?

[SC Cheesehead]

I don't think 500rwhp on a totally stock block and internals is recommended. I've alwasy read here that 450 rwhp is the higher end one should go with stock engine. I'm sure the members here with more hp will let you know what they have done to get 500+


Most members here who are running 500+ rwhp have swapped engines to say a Terminator or Aluminator block. I believe the stock block itself can handle the power but the rods and such can not.


^^^^^^^ What they said.

I'm currently at 455 rwhp, Eaton swap running 11 lbs boost and a full SW exhaust, tuned by Mo's; and that's as far as I want to go on the stock internals.

Getting to 450 is relatively cheap, beyond that, cost starts rising expotentially.

Figure accordingly: Eaton swap = approx. $4,500 = around 420 -435 hp

Headers, full exhaust and dyno tune = (additional) approx. $3,000 - $3,500 to pick up an additional 25 - 40 hp [net total = 450 - 460-ish].

Beyond that:

(Minimum) Forged, balanced internals, upgraded fuel system, tranny mods to handle the increased power,
(Ideal) Built Corba, MMR or Aluminator long block, plus trans work

Range: figure minimum $4,000, up to ???? to get past 460-ish, safely (i.e. no BOOM!). I'd hazard a guess that most of the 500+ guys have $15k+ invested in their motors/drivetrain, I know there are a couple that are easily North of $20K.



Like the man says, "Speed costs money, kid; how fast you wanna go?" ;)

[sailsmen]

Just a question - what would 500hp do that 428 could not?
The difference between a mid 12 sec and an a high 11 sec car.

Ditto on what SC said.

[Shaijack]

My wife always tells me that it is only money and I can't take it with me. I should be at 100,000 HP by now......

[SGT_MERC]

My wife always tells me that it is only money and I can't take it with me. I should be at 100,000 HP by now......
:lol:
That's too damn funny.

[boatmangc]

As soon as I win that SW exhaust setup I'm there!!!

[jwibbity]

So exhaust upgrades would be ok since technically I'm not adding internal stress just making the engine flow better making it more efficient

[sailsmen]

So exhaust upgrades would be ok since technically I'm not adding internal stress just making the engine flow better making it more efficient
Please explain!

[jwibbity]

Well since I would still be at 10#s, with the headers I'll be making more power with the same amount of boost, more output with same input..........maybe??

[sailsmen]

No..........................
Your engine is developing more HP not your exhaust.

[LANDY]

I ran 472rwhp for over a year and raced it quite often o the stock block. I say do it and have a very conservative tune.

[sailsmen]

Unless you are a member of the Club where the Laws of Physics do not apply!

[LANDY]

**** the law of Physics!!! Lol

[MrBluGruv]

Well since I would still be at 10#s, with the headers I'll be making more power with the same amount of boost, more output with same input..........maybe??


No..........................
Your engine is developing more HP not your exhaust.

+1

Just because you are reducing back-pressure doesn't mean your engine is less stressed, or at least not in every way.

Creating like 450lbs-ft of rotational force is bad enough, but when you're spinning it faster and faster, you're creating a LOT of stress on your conrods and crankshaft.

That being said, I'd personally focus on creating more torque rather than trying to spin the engine higher to reach a HP number.

Put longtubes on the car and then pulley it to run like 12-13 lbs of boost instead of 10.

Subsequently though, +1 to what people are saying about the engine not having a long life at that point...

[jwibbity]

So best bet would only upgrade to headers, but anything beyond that would require internal upgrades along with accompanying systems(fuel, and junk)

[Guittard22]

You know what they say ... The safe way is the right way ... You want the power you got to build it to be safe .

Just my 2 cents

[Spectragod]

^^^^^^^ What they said.

I'm currently at 455 rwhp, Eaton swap running 11 lbs boost and a full SW exhaust, tuned by Mo's; and that's as far as I want to go on the stock internals.

Getting to 450 is relatively cheap, beyond that, cost starts rising expotentially.

Figure accordingly: Eaton swap = approx. $4,500 = around 420 -435 hp

Headers, full exhaust and dyno tune = (additional) approx. $3,000 - $3,500 to pick up an additional 25 - 40 hp [net total = 450 - 460-ish].

Beyond that:

(Minimum) Forged, balanced internals, upgraded fuel system, tranny mods to handle the increased power,
(Ideal) Built Corba, MMR or Aluminator long block, plus trans work

Range: figure minimum $4,000, up to ???? to get past 460-ish, safely (i.e. no BOOM!). I'd hazard a guess that most of the 500+ guys have $15k+ invested in their motors/drivetrain, I know there are a couple that are easily North of $20K.



Like the man says, "Speed costs money, kid; how fast you wanna go?" ;)

Safely past 520, I am one of the "couple", then you need supporting mods, or your break stuff quick. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$:( :D

[SC Cheesehead]

Safely past 520, I am one of the "couple", then you need supporting mods, or your break stuff quick. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$:( :D

^^^^^ What he said. Like the man on the oil filter commercials used to say, "Pay me know or pay me later..."

[jwibbity]

well i got started saving for a forged shortblock, and have been checking around for a used one. just have to fix the RAS and it'll be ready for mods again

[lji372]

well i got started saving for a forged shortblock, and have been checking around for a used one. just have to fix the RAS and it'll be ready for mods again


If I'm not mistaken embassy had one for sale. Not sure if its still available. Trustworthy guy :beer:

[martyo]

Just a question - what would 500hp do that 428 could not?

Spin the tires faster!

[jwibbity]

Spin the tires faster!

exactly, and nothing beats the feeling of saying you have 500 at the wheels

[lji372]

exactly, and nothing beats the feeling of saying you have 500 at the wheels

Except saying you have 600....and so on....and so on :lol:

[jwibbity]

Except saying you have 600....and so on....and so on :lol:

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[BlkMamba24]

Yea this is why I have switched gears from saving for a Eaton or vortec to saving for that new 5.0 Aluminator. Maybe some cams and headers before she goes in and then later on down the line after I upgrade things like the Trans and suspension then I'll throw some boost on top of it....I should be close to 600 with a setup like that

[slickster]

Yea this is why I have switched gears from saving for a Eaton or vortec to saving for that new 5.0 Aluminator. Maybe some cams and headers before she goes in and then later on down the line after I upgrade things like the Trans and suspension then I'll throw some boost on top of it....I should be close to 600 with a setup like that

Like a boss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lji372]

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Don't be shy. Say it :D

[boatmangc]

exactly, and nothing beats the feeling of saying you have 500 at the wheels


Except saying you have 473 RWHP and go faster than a few with more than 500:banana2:

It ain't worth nothing if you can't get it to hook up.

[Mr. Man]

Keep in mind adding more hp and tq also will effect the rest of the driveline as well. Need to think of adding more power as a big picture project or your just going to keep breaking stuff.

[justbob]

Spin the tires faster!

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[BigM460]

Almost made the 500hp number today.

[RacerX]

Almost made the 500hp number today.
Keep in mind that data is at STD and only at 3 smoothing factor. What's the whole graph look like? Curious about AFR and RPM/HP/TQ.

[BigM460]

Keep in mind that data is at STD and only at 3 smoothing factor. What's the whole graph look like? Curious about AFR and RPM/HP/TQ.

Sorry, will back on out, didn't intend to annoy anyone.

[Spectragod]

Almost made the 500hp number today.

497 isn't 500...:confused:

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h138/rfrf5500/DTR%20%20shots/LidioDyno.jpg

Just busting your balls...;) :D

[Embassy]

If I'm not mistaken embassy had one for sale. Not sure if its still available. Trustworthy guy :beer:

It is. PM me for details.

[LANDY]

Silly dyno queens. ..........

[lji372]

Silly dyno queens. ..........

I got nuthin:lol:

[LANDY]

^^^^^^^ lmao

[Spectragod]

I got nuthin:lol:

^^^^^ seen his cars, he's not lying ^^^^^ :P :lol:

[lji372]

^^^^^ seen his cars, he's not lying ^^^^^ :P :lol:

:alone:

:mad2:

Fine!! Foot stomp:burnout:




:lol:

[Spectragod]

:alone:

:mad2:

Fine!! Foot stomp:burnout:




:lol:

But still nicer and cooler than mine.......:bows:

[lji372]

But still nicer and cooler than mine.......:bows:

Whatever :fishslap:

[MyBlackBeasts]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Stop It!!!

Youse guys are killing me!!! Hahahahahahaha!!!! :D:bigcry::D

[RacerX]

Sorry, will back on out, didn't intend to annoy anyone.

? You're not annoying anyone. Close to 500rwhp is a hell of of a difference from stock and deserves credit. I was only making a simple observation and wanted to see the entire dyno sheet. Take her to the track when you can and post up that data.

[BigM460]

? You're not annoying anyone. Close to 500rwhp is a hell of of a difference from stock and deserves credit. I was only making a simple observation and wanted to see the entire dyno sheet. Take her to the track when you can and post up that data.

I don't have any more than what the picture shows. Was Mo,s speed shop dyno day. Car is my daily driver with 13000 miles on plugs and belt(6rib) that slips at rpm, and through the stock factory exhaust. I had nothing to do with dyno settings. Payed my money and let it roll!

[DOOM]

http://youtu.be/PIuo4lrUSxE
PIuo4lrUSxE

[lji372]

Hahaha awesome:beer:

[BigM460]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rASxFSKi7f0

[BigM460]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8I5Pl89bWA

[MOTOWN]

Hey i seen that ride make 500rwhp!^^^^^

[ginson3]

Well I finally got the methanol injection install finished and retuned, It made 531rwhp/524rwtq. I will post the dyno run in the next day or so, the bmp file is too large to download, I will scan and try to post as a PDF.

[BigM460]

Well I finally got the methanol injection install finished and retuned, It made 531rwhp/524rwtq. I will post the dyno run in the next day or so, the bmp file is too large to download, I will scan and try to post as a PDF.

What did it make before the methanol, or how much were the gains? Great numbers!

[Limited360]

Well I guess in the spring when I get all my porting and intake mods done I will go back and have it tuned in to hit the 500hp club... .guess I need to upgrade my fuel pump and injectors ASAP too...

[ginson3]

Thanks, I had the car tuned when I installed the 324 and Lysholm blower, it made 516/557. That was on a Dynopak dyno, and on race fuel. My intentions on the methanol was to get back on 93 pump gas, I had been blending. In short, I don't have good data to say what the gain if any was, but I am more comfortable the numbers are being made on a tune I am a little more comfortable with

[ginson3]

I think I will get a couple of catch cans, and a big brake kit and call it done for now. The weather has been nasty and I haven't had a chance to really drive it since I got it back, just enough to traction on cold asphalt is an issue

[Limited360]

Catch can is something I need to add to the ever growing list...

[ginson3]

looks like you got a couple of places in front of me at Trilogy, I have #139

[RacerX]

Open the bitmap image with paint and save as a jpg. That alone will cut the size down. Cropping and size change will change data size also. Post those dyno sheets! (Track numbers preferable!) :D

[ginson3]

Thanks Racer, I knew someone would jump in and help and help on that. Unfortunately no track data until spring though

[Limited360]

Thanks Racer, I knew someone would jump in and help and help on that. Unfortunately no track data until spring though

track numbers for the win....


Jerry 599hp.... 12.4
JMe 414hp...... 12.5


:) Silly dyno queens :banana2::banana2:

[ginson3]

I hear ya, probably about right there, I ran a 12.24 on factory tires when I had the Eaton on mine

[ginson3]

I may be wrong, but I seriously believe the car is will get into the 11's

[Limited360]

I may be wrong, but I seriously believe the car is will get into the 11's

I was on 295 NT555's and a full tank of gas with a trunk full of stuff, only reason I think I pulled a 1.89 60 ft.

[LANDY]

track numbers for the win....


Jerry 599hp.... 12.4
JMe 414hp...... 12.5
Landy 621hp.....11.0

:) Silly dyno queens :banana2::banana2: Fixed for ya ;)

[LANDY]

I may be wrong, but I seriously believe the car is will get into the 11's With a set of tires you should be all over mid to high 11's. Back in 2009 I made several 11.6 passes on a 60* weather day at 472rwhp

[boatmangc]

With a set of tires you should be all over mid to high 11's. Back in 2009 I made several 11.6 passes on a 60* weather day at 472rwhp

Yeah but you can drive bro!!!

[CWright]

Yeah but you can drive bro!!!

I will second that!!!! Yes he can!

[Limited360]

Fixed for ya ;)

I think Jerry's car will be back down into the mid 11's at least as soon as I get my hands on it this spring once he gets his wide band installed along with 3 bar MAP sensor so we can log boost accurately.

Car just needs to be dialed in properly.

[LANDY]

I think Jerry's car will be back down into the mid 11's at least as soon as I get my hands on it this spring once he gets his wide band installed along with 3 bar MAP sensor so we can log boost accurately.

Car just needs to be dialed in properly. Jerrys car is a beast. Once dialed in it should be as fast as mine without the spray.

[Limited360]

Jerrys car is a beast. Once dialed in it should be as fast as mine without the spray.

I hope to help in the process, once my back heals and I can lean and bend properly I will get the pressure sensor wired in, AFR and the new gauge pod along with re-doing some of the spray wiring.

He will be grinning ear to ear the first time he gets down the track with a polished and robust calibration this spring!

[ginson3]

I'm pretty sure I am already there, I just didn't want to sound too cocky about it. I am running about all the tire I can 305/45's.