rauder wont start just a click from relay??

[marauder410]

im so pissed off at my marauder and i do not understand what could be wrong this time

drove it yesterday and was driving perfect like always and when i come out this morning to start it NOTHINGGG but a tiny click from the starter relay

had the alternator/starter and battery tested all came back GOOD???/:mad:

swapped relay/ checked ALLLL fuses inside and out all good....

swapped neutral safety switches still nothin.....

checked both wires coming from starter nothing burnt or bad looking...

checked allll grounds from block/from firewall/ all good

discnected battery for hour/ reconnected still nothing/ i have big 3 upgrade..0g stinger

havent touched nor anyone touch my car or messed with it, like i said drove it that day and next morning hop in and NOTHIN but a tiny tiny click

NOT CRANKING OVER AT ALL

please any suggestions would be awesome tryna stay FAR AWAY from a stealership since dont have the money to hand to them for doing nothing

[WhatsUpDOHC]

I'm sure that someone from the collective has seen/experienced this.

[marauder410]

i hope so, my guess is it's something electrical now

[CWright]

im so pissed off at my marauder and i do not understand what could be wrong this time

drove it yesterday and was driving perfect like always and when i come out this morning to start it NOTHINGGG but a tiny click from the starter relay

had the alternator/starter and battery tested all came back GOOD???/:mad:

swapped relay/ checked ALLLL fuses inside and out all good....

swapped neutral safety switches still nothin.....

checked both wires coming from starter nothing burnt or bad looking...

checked allll grounds from block/from firewall/ all good

discnected battery for hour/ reconnected still nothing/ i have big 3 upgrade..0g stinger

havent touched nor anyone touch my car or messed with it, like i said drove it that day and next morning hop in and NOTHIN but a tiny tiny click

NOT CRANKING OVER AT ALL

please any suggestions would be awesome tryna stay FAR AWAY from a stealership since dont have the money to hand to them for doing nothing


Same exact thing happened to me earlier this year. We checked it all and figured out the starter was sticking. Also figured out there was a ground problem with the engine. We added another ground from the engine to the frame on top of replacing the starter.

[WhatsUpDOHC]

Same exact thing happened to me earlier this year. We checked it all and figured out the starter was sticking. Also figured out there was a ground problem with the engine. We added another ground from the engine to the frame on top of replacing the starter.
I was thinking grounds.

[marauder410]

i checked the 2 grounds and they seem just fine im pisseddddd:mad:

were can i add another ground pics please

[marauder410]

i took the starter to advanced auto and they checked the starter alt and battery all FINE, i heard the starter motor running on the tester

[MrBluGruv]

How loose is your shifter handle?

Sometimes it may appear to be in one gear, but is really in another, and if the computer is seeing reverse on the shifter, it won't start I don't think.

I encountered issues like this after I had my trans rebuilt and reinstalled, they had left the selector cable with too much slack and I had to readjust it.

Maybe try pushing the handle forward with a decent amount of force while starting the car? Or if it will start in neutral, put the selector to reverse or between reverse and neutral and try it there (holding the brake down firmly of course)?

[marauder410]

yes i done all the suggested idea mrblue, messed with the shifter and swapped out neautral safety switch still NOTHING :mad2:

[Blk04MM]

Battery terminals??

[Motorhead350]

Any recent mods?

Aftermarket alarm?

Killswitch?

[marauder410]

no recent mods not even touched the car in weeks besides drive it and always babied

battery terminals are only few months old, stinger digital terminals and they all light up digitaly and all show 12.7 volts when turn key over just will not make NO NOISES when trying to start

also got a locking gas cap so i know that was not tampered with...

[marauder410]

no aftermarket nor factory alarm installed just basic key fab

no killswitches

[Motorhead350]

How are interior lights? Do they light up? Headlights? Gages?

I know you tested the battery, but did you get a second opinion or try jump starting it?

[marauder410]

yes sir tried all of that

jumping it did nothing

[marauder410]

everything works i have a high wattage audio system and hits just as hard..

interior lights and everything works on the insde like normal and even when i try to crank over the car the headlight stay on dont flash

[marauder410]

http://www.justanswer.com/mercury/64u5s-mercury-marauder-x-100-talked-chris-moose-10034983-560about.html

ima give this a shot in the morning

[lji372]

Did you try jumping the starter direct to see if it cranks? Try in neutral? :dunno:
Last but not leas throw it in the lap of your favorite mechanic.:confused:

[Blk04MM]

Check your fuses

[Spectragod]

http://www.justanswer.com/mercury/64u5s-mercury-marauder-x-100-talked-chris-moose-10034983-560about.html

ima give this a shot in the morning


^^^THIS^^^ or you have a bad ignition switch.

[marauder410]

pulled starter and had tested and starter/solenoid is GOOD

tryed jumping it NO GO

last thing to check would be the ignition switch or just a melted wire that grounded itsefl somewhere

[marauder410]

checked ALLLL fuses inside and out ALL GOOD

also when that link can someone clear up what he means by jumping the white/pink stripe wire thats UNDER the MAIN fuse box that connects the relay CORRECT

also by a jumper wire they mean just like a 3 foot 4guage wire right and you touch one side with the POWER right and other edn of wire touch the white/pink wire WITH key in the start position right

[CWright]

i checked the 2 grounds and they seem just fine im pisseddddd:mad:

were can i add another ground pics please

Ground picts


http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/medium/image10.jpg (javascript:;)

This is on the driver side bolted to the frame.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/medium/image9.jpg (javascript:;)

[Gryphonzus]

Did they check the starter under a load? It can crank when off the engine but when trying to crank the engine the laod is too much for it. So it could still be the starter. It is like checking the battery if it is not done under a load then the check is worthless. At this point it sounds like you need to try a new starter. If that does not fix it the store will usually take it back. Just ask them prior to purchase. So it could also be the battery too if it was not done with a load tester. Hope this helps. Good luck!

[marauder410]

thanks for ground pic gonna add another ground like said with 0guage

also will try another starter

swapped batterys still nothin

[WhatsUpDOHC]

Could the PATS be active? Do you have another key?

[marauder410]

PATS is active and have 2 other keys still nothing

all keys when turned blind slow not fast no normal, had a pats issue before and this is not it

[marauder410]

im gonna just go to town with a test light today and see whats gettin power and what is not getting really pissed :mad2:

[WhatsUpDOHC]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/07/ejahenaz.jpg

[marauder410]

added another ground still nothing

[vegasmarauder]

You may have already tried something similar but if you have a 12V test light, drop it down from the top of the engine by the starter. Clip it to the small terminal on the starter and make sure the clip is not grounding. Then ground the probe end on the engine. When you turn the key to start, the light should light. If it does then the solenoid circuit is working. If you have 12 all the time on the big lug at the starter, then usually the starter is bad.

If not test light on the low side, this circuit feeds from the battery to the junction box through the relay to the starter. At the relay the other circuit feeds from the ignition switch to the trans starter interlock to the relay and then the PCM grouds the circuit via the PATS system.

[Richy04]

I remember a post where someone had a similar issue and it was rotted wires behind the passenger fender that could only be checked with the fender off. Does anyone remember that post?

[marauder410]

Ricky might be on to something here because trust me i tryed all the suggested above

gonna test light everything tom

gonna replace the ignition switch tom

if these dont work it hassss to be a electrical wire rotted somewhere

i might of sqirted it with the hose and finioshed it off bec last time car was started was on and squirted the car off with car on and turned it off andc next morning nothinggg but a tiny tiny click coming from the relays

[Comin' in Hot]

If you look at the harness routing around the front of the car, if chaffes on the bracket the supports the bottom of the fender. You could see it if you remove the splash shields at the bottom of the bumper cover.

[marauder410]

thnaks coming in hot will look at that tom and this just COULDD be the awnser bec last time car was started i was hitting it with the hose and spray the wheel wells real good

[marauder410]

could the transmission range sensor be my problem if went bad would it not allow the car to start?????

[fastblackmerc]

could the transmission range sensor be my problem if went bad would it not allow the car to start?????

Yes as mentioned is a previous post.

Put it in neutral and try to start it.

[marauder410]

ok so the nautral safety switch is the same as the trnamission range sensor????

if so then this is NOT my problem bec swapped with my buddys 03 crown victoria sensor and still nothing

[marauder410]

already tried pressing on the shifter and stsrting in neutral nothingg

[marauder410]

ok so someone tild me to check fuse 9 the 5 amp and turn the key over and see if the fuse is getting power and it NOTT so i think i found my problem here

im not getting NO power to my neautral safety switch/transmission range sensor this means rights???

[marauder410]

car not starting checked everything

test lighted fuse 9 on inside the trans range sensor and when i turn key over supposed to get power and with mine you dont and fuse is good

so im not getting power to the transmission range sensor and obviously now its a electrical wire rotted/shorted

any tips???

[fastblackmerc]

car not starting checked everything

test lighted fuse 9 on inside the trans range sensor and when i turn key over supposed to get power and with mine you dont and fuse is good

so im not getting power to the transmission range sensor and obviously now its a electrical wire rotted/shorted

any tips???

Tip #1: trace the wire and fix what is broken.

[Spectragod]

Back track the wire, check the fuse-able links..... or look for a chafed wire, which sounds plausible, since in your last thread you said it started after you hosed your wheels wells out.

[Dereck]

Hi Marauder410

Check fuse 101 in the battery box

Regards

Dereck

[marauder410]

thanks on the tips guys

[marauder410]

jus checked fuse 101 and swapped fuses and still a no go BUT i pulled the fuse and test lighted each prong and only one lite up and on all the other they both lite up

[marauder410]

so my question is does those wire from the fuse box under hood lead to the wires to the fuse box???

if so then thats my final question because then i would know what to follow to find the broken wire????

[fastblackmerc]

jus checked fuse 101 and swapped fuses and still a no go BUT i pulled the fuse and test lighted each prong and only one lite up and on all the other they both lite up

Which fuss did you swap?

Sounds like a fuse 101 (Ignition Switch 30A) is bad. With power to the fuse both sides should have power.

[RF Overlord]

Merged multiple threads on the same subject.

[marauder410]

yes sir FBM i swapped fuse 101 with another 30amp one and still nothing

when i pulled the use outt and test lighted both prongs only one lite up, but alsooo when i get lite fuse 9 inisde car the trna range sensor fuse when powered on with key should light and and mine does NOT..

replacing ignition switch right now and see what happens

[Motorhead350]

Good luck man!

[marauder410]

replaced ignition switch today took bout hour and still NOTHING

but somehow someway i dont have a clue but i put the test light alligator click on the small post, yellow wire,, and touched the ground while someone cranked the key and motor cranked and wanted to start but didnt .....:confused::confused: this only happened ONE time tryed to do it again but with a 8guage wire and couldnt get it to do again...:shake:

[RAUDERROOKIE]

Im watching this thread because my car just started doing the same thing. Except it actually started for about a second then died. Now its not starting or turning over at all. No clicking or anything.

[Comin' in Hot]

did you check for chaffed wires where I told you to look?

[marauder410]

no thats next comin in hot, it has to be a chaffed wire just finding it is the problem

replaced ignition switch module and nothing

so checked:::

ALL FUSES/RELAYS
tested/swapped batterys
tested/swapped alterantors
tested starter
new ignition switch
checked/test lite all grounds
swapped neutral safety switches
fuse 101 good/ fuse 9 good
messed with shifter/pressed hard on it all of the above
EVERYTHING WORKS ON CAR ONISDE AND OUT

[marauder410]

if i touch both post on starter red power and small yellow with key in ON position and car WILLL crank over EVERYTIME but will not start..held it for a few seconds and held key to start...CRANKS BUT NO STARTS .....:mad2:was hoping for it ot at least to start like that :mad:

[vegasmarauder]

When you touch the starter battery lead to the small yellow wire you are just bypassing the start circuit so that means your starter is fine.

Remove the small terminal wire from the starter. Connect a test light to that wire and then ground the other end of the test light. When you turn it to start you should get a light. If not you have to check the PATS circuit. There is a Grey with Red strip wire that goes into the PCM. It is in one of the center rows of wires near the center bolt. Take a sharp pointed lead (straight pin or similier) and pierce this wire. Ground the lead and try the key. If the car turns over, you have a PATS problem. Most likely a deprogrammed key. Don"t why they do that, but they do. If not the key, then back to the PCM. Of course if it does not turn over or not light when testing those wires, then I would look for a damaged wire.

The current flow is From fuse 101 thru yellow wire to ignition switch and also to the starter relay in the battery junction box.. From ignition switch to fuse #9 is Red with Light Blue stripe. from fuse #9 to trans switch is Brown with Pink stripe. From trans switch to relay in battery junction box under hood is White with Pink stripe. From Starter relay in junction box to PCM is Grey with Red stripe.

The other half of the circuit is from the starter relay to to the starter via Yellow with Light Blue stripe. This one is the other half of the yellow wire from fuse 101 above.

Hope this makes it easier to check the wires at each end before cutting open harnesses.

Good luck.

[MENINBLK]

Before you get into the PATS wiring check ALL THREE KEYS !!

If only ONE KEY causes the problem then the problem is the PATS
no longer recognizes that key and needs to be re-programmed.

If ALL THREE KEYS don't work, then you could have a defective PATS module,
or a broken power wire to the PATS module.

[marauder410]

i tryed ALL 3 keys and all are blinking normal ive had a PATS problem before and the light will blink really fast

[marauder410]

thnak you vegasmarauder your on the right track here will check all these wires before cutting into main hardnesses

[marauder410]

update i took the yellow wire off the starter and put a test light to it one and and the other to the power and it does not light up when i turn the key over.....so this is my problem then guys?????

if so just need to know where this wire goes to so i can follow it please and see where it is broken/chaffed

[Dereck]

Hi

http://superstitiongold.com/lincoln/pictures10/Marauder%20starter%20wiring.JP G

Regards

Dereck

[marauder410]

thanks alot derek i just took the test light and tested the 5amp fuse and both sides light up so does that mean from there on he the tranmission sensor is good???

[marauder410]

also checked fuse 101 both sides light up when test lighted the prongs with fuse out and also did light up with all 4 prongs with the starter full iso relay out???

[marauder410]

i also did the same trick to my buddys 03 CV with the jumper wire cut a small slip in yellow/green small starter wire and touched one end and other end with power twerminal and started right uppp....when mine just cranks and no starts

SO NOW I FINALLY KNOW TO NEED TO CHASE THE SMALL YELLOW SIGNAL STARTER WIRE AND FIND OUT WERE ITS CHAFFED FEELING GOOD ABOUT IT THIS TIME

SO GONE GONNA PULL OFF PASSENGER FENDER AND SPLASH GUARD AND CHASE THW WIRE

WISH ME LUCK GUYS AND THANKS TO YOU FEW CETAINS MEMEBERS THAT ARE HERE TO HELP I LOVE YOU GUYS ....

[marauder410]

Bump........

[Dereck]

Hi Marauder410

I get the feeling your testing is a little flawed here, it's a fairly simple circuit.

One of my first tests would be to pull the starter relay and jumper terminals 30 & 87 with a meaty cotter pin, you should get a small spark and the starter crank over, the result of this test would determine how I would procede.

Regards

Dereck

[marauder410]

thanks derek will try this now

[marauder410]

im so done with this peice of **** car, cannot even get the front fend of took off like 8 bolts and still wont budge piuseeed offf mannn

lso when trying to get the bolt all the way back near thw windsheild of course i cracked my windsheild but has a lifetime warranty from when bought car but just more problems after anoter

since bought car new motor,trans,alottt of electrical problems,rear eend etc reallllyyy considering sellign this peice of ****

[MyBlackBeasts]

i also did the same trick to my buddys 03 CV with the jumper wire cut a small slip in yellow/green small starter wire and touched one end and other end with power twerminal and started right uppp....when mine just cranks and no starts


The crank circuit is very basic. If you turn the key to the RUN position & then Junp the starter manually as you stated & the car does not start, it sounds to me like the Anti-Theft has been activated.

This could be a PATS issue or if it has the dealer installed remote start installed this could be the anti-theft on it activated.

You are describing what my MM does when its activated or I disconnect/reconnect the battery. I have to depress & hold the bypass button then crank the started. When the engine fires up it resets the system & will then start normally.

Good luck with the repair.

[marauder410]

FIXEDDDD it damn im happy couldnt get the fender off but did get the whel well off and gave me enought room to se the hardness

also like said by some1 it was rubbing on the bumber bracket like a memeber stated above and it was ONEEE wire disconnected

so spliced:banana::banana::banana ::banana: it back togehter and IT started right upppp

[slickster]

Glad you got it.........

[Comin' in Hot]

if you would have only listened to me days ago lol.... glad you got it fixed

[MyBlackBeasts]

Yeah!

Now drive it and enjoy it! :D

[lji372]

Fn aye bubba!!!!:beer:
I've been following this thread from day one.
Sorry for your pain and joyed by your victory:bows:

[WhatsUpDOHC]

EXCELLENT!
Great to hear.

Derek (Comin' in Hot) knows his shazzbot. :beer:

[marauder410]

yep it sure was comin in hot that was RIGHTTTT on POINT ur the man

when i got that fender well out i seen the bracket..... right were it rubs the braket was chaffed and i seen ONE yellow wire diconnected spliced it back and i fired right up

good day and thanks for all the helps fella :beer:
thanks again comin in hot and dereck for the diagram

[marauder410]

Comin in hot is just the mannnn this was the hardest fix ive ever had probably fixed myself....n he could not have been more spot on

i wish i would have took a picure of it is chaffed because the middle of the braket right were the hardess was rubbing on was rusted to hell and cousing fiction i guess and chaffed the wire

so i taped it all back up and taped the entrie bracket it electrical tape to give the hardess a smooth surface to press against not a rusted bracket...

[Comin' in Hot]

I'm just glad I could help, the way the main harness is routed around the front of the car is dumb, it should have been secured away from the bracket. It got the fuel pump wire on my first MM, I caught it in time on my DBP MM and I put a piece of heater hose around it on both sides, I should really do it to my Trilogy before its too late.

[fastblackmerc]

Comin in hot is just the mannnn this was the hardest fix ive ever had probably fixed myself....n he could not have been more spot on

i wish i would have took a picure of it is chaffed because the middle of the braket right were the hardess was rubbing on was rusted to hell and cousing fiction i guess and chaffed the wire

so i taped it all back up and taped the entrie bracket it electrical tape to give the hardess a smooth surface to press against not a rusted bracket...
What parts did you replace that DIDN'T fix the problem?

[Motorhead350]

I think this same issue just happened to me.

Where exactly are the wires? Follow the starter? I am a little confused on the locations.

Sorry.

Can someone shine a little light on this for me?

Thanks!

[8UWITH6]

Good job, dont sell that POS (your words) :)

[swagjack85]

What is wrong with your car