What's needed to run 10's?

[drhill]

Hi everyone,

I'm at a bit of a crossroads with my projects... "considering" building the Marauder a bit.

Right now I have a t trim, 39lb injectors 255 pump, 4.10's, 3000 stall, upgraded heat exchanger and pump for the air to water and 2.5 inch exhaust. Here is what I'm thinking I would need to add to run 10's on pump gas - am I close to accurate? I'm assuming needing 600 rwhp

m/t et radials on widened stock rims

any suspension mods??

forged short block with lower compression and better cams(gt40?)

60 lb injectors(or more) and better fuel pump(s)...will stock lines and rails handle this power?

Long tubes

6 rib pullies ok?

Meth kit

more dyno tuning

trans and rear work when they break

Thanks for the insight!

[SC Cheesehead]

Hi everyone,

I'm at a bit of a crossroads with my projects... "considering" building the Marauder a bit.

Right now I have a t trim, 39lb injectors 255 pump, 4.10's, 3000 stall, upgraded heat exchanger and pump for the air to water and 2.5 inch exhaust. Here is what I'm thinking I would need to add to run 10's on pump gas - am I close to accurate? I'm assuming needing 600 rwhp

m/t et radials on widened stock rims

any suspension mods??

forged short block with lower compression and better cams(gt40?)

60 lb injectors(or more) and better fuel pump(s)...will stock lines and rails handle this power?

Long tubes

6 rib pullies ok?

Meth kit

more dyno tuning

trans and rear work when they break

Thanks for the insight!

PM Marty-o, Sherminator or Blown 3.8, AFAIK, those are the only guys (besides Jerry Barnes) to run in the 10s.

[lji372]

$$$$$$$$$$

Just my .02

[martyo]

$$$$$$$$$$

Probably twice that.

[martyo]

PM Marty-o, Sherminator or Blown 3.8, AFAIK, those are the only guys (besides Jerry Barnes) to run in the 10s.

I can only tell you what it cost to run 9's.

:D

[lji372]

Probably twice that.

At least I was half right :lol:

Are 10's possible with this tank on pump gas??
Hmm, does op want to keep it a street car with all the ammentities?

[lji372]

I can only tell you what it cost to run 9's.

:D

Okay...........:D

Of course more questions:

A. Is it street legal?
B. Is it coming to Atlanta?
C. Can I borrow the keys :laugh:

[jflave]

Good Luck & have some fun on your way to 10's. :)

[martyo]

Okay...........:D

A course more questions:

A. Is it street legal?
B. Is it coming to Atlanta?
C. Can I borrow the keys :laugh:

A. Depends on whose streets.

B. I am not sure. Just to dust it off is gonna cost me $1,000 dollars or so which cuts into my drinking budget for MVXI

C. Please contact my attorney for the appropriate security deposit, paperwork and waivers.

[lji372]

A. Depends on whose streets.

B. I am not sure. Just to dust it off is gonna cost me $1,000 dollars or so which cuts into my drinking budget for MVXI

C. Please contact my attorney for the appropriate security deposit, paperwork and waivers.

You could have made it easier by simply typing yes,yes, and YES:banana2:
:lol:

[martyo]

You could have made it easier by simply typing yes,yes, and YES:banana2:
:lol:

Just wanted to be clear.

[sailsmen]

First thing is get an A to A. A bigger S/C and Nitrous.

[SC Cheesehead]

First thing is get an A to A. A bigger S/C and Nitrous.

"Speed costs money kid, how fast you wanna go?" ;)

[1 Bad Merc]

PM Marty-o, Sherminator or Blown 3.8, AFAIK, those are the only guys (besides Jerry Barnes) to run in the 10s.

Zack's black car is in the 10's also. :D

[martyo]

"Speed costs money kid, how fast you wanna go?" ;)

You owe me a quarter!

[RacerX]

I know it cost over 90k to get into the 8's! ;)

[Spectragod]

Hi everyone,

I'm at a bit of a crossroads with my projects... "considering" building the Marauder a bit.

Right now I have a t trim, 39lb injectors 255 pump, 4.10's, 3000 stall, upgraded heat exchanger and pump for the air to water and 2.5 inch exhaust. Here is what I'm thinking I would need to add to run 10's on pump gas - am I close to accurate? I'm assuming needing 600 rwhp

m/t et radials on widened stock rims

any suspension mods??

forged short block with lower compression and better cams(gt40?)

60 lb injectors(or more) and better fuel pump(s)...will stock lines and rails handle this power?

Long tubes

6 rib pullies ok?

Meth kit

more dyno tuning

trans and rear work when they break

Thanks for the insight!


Cubic dollars will get you there.

[LANDY]

Spend about 15k more. You will be there.

[WhatsUpDOHC]

Its easy, buy a car that runs 10's. :confused:

[Motorhead350]

A. Depends on whose streets.



HA!

To answer the OP I think a Chevy Big Block? :lol:

[drhill]

Ha Ha - thanks for all the "input" so far guys! :beer:

I understand it's expensive and not many bother to go this far and and so on. I know this is a loaded question that a lot of yahoos probably ask too!

Yes - it would still be a street car and pump gas etc. Based on other projects I've had - I was thinking I had the block, heads and blower for 10's with this car. I'm used to having to replace all of that to go fast!

I know I'll need fuel system, rotating assy, etc...I was just looking for some specific input on things I am forgetting or any pitfalls that would be obvious to a marauder vet that I may be over looking...

thx again! :banana:

[Blk04MM]

HA!

To answer the OP I think a Chevy Big Block? :lol:

LQ9/LQ4 with a 4L80e or TH400 + SC should do the trick

[drhill]

LQ9/LQ4 with a 4L80e or TH400 + SC should do the trick

LOL - that's what I was afraid of :)

[Blk04MM]

LOL - that's what I was afraid of :)

You'll go broke trying to get a mod motor to be a 10 second car if your pockets aren't deep to begin with.

BBC is drop in hp/tq. Add l92 heads, a good cam and right intake you'll be north of 430 to the ground. You can add headers as well to kick you up some numbers. Or just drop that SC on the BBC, mash the gas and hold on tight

The member who BBC swapped his Marauder did 13.1 on motor and 11.9 on spray. Not sure if his car was tuned/dynoed he never mentioned it.

Like my buddies said to me. "Try sailing a brick, I bet you can't get it thrown far fast. That's what your motor is feeling like without tons of work"

[SC Cheesehead]

You'll go broke trying to get a mod motor to be a 10 second car if your pockets aren't deep to begin with.

BBC is drop in hp/tq. Add l92 heads, a good cam and right intake you'll be north of 430 to the ground. You can add headers as well to kick you up some numbers. Or just drop that SC on the BBC, mash the gas and hold on tight

The member who BBC swapped his Marauder did 13.1 on motor and 11.9 on spray. Not sure if his car was tuned/dynoed he never mentioned it.

Like my buddies said to me. "Try sailing a brick, I bet you can't get it thrown far fast. That's what your motor is feeling like without tons of work"

^^^^^^ What he said.

Would love to see someone go a BBF swap versus a Chebbie, just once.

[drhill]

When you guys say BBC swap you actually mean ls series gm engines right? I asme not actually the old school 454 big blocks? I love the ls motors...didnt know that would be easy at all to do....

[merc]

A. Depends on whose streets.

B. I am not sure. Just to dust it off is gonna cost me $1,000 dollars or so which cuts into my drinking budget for MVXI

C. Please contact my attorney for the appropriate security deposit, paperwork and waivers.

What, you have attorney, what's her name?

[merc]

When I grow up I want a TH400 with one of these

http://www.chevy-crate-engine.com/images/zz572_720.jpg

13,999.00 out the door and free shipping from summit.
A 9 inch rear would not be out of the question. Flame suit on.

[RacerX]

When I grow up I want a TH400 with one of these

http://www.chevy-crate-engine.com/images/zz572_720.jpg


A 9 inch rear would not be out of the question. Flame suit on.
I was tought that to get one of those and run it properly, you can't grow up... ;)

[Blk04MM]

When you guys say BBC swap you actually mean ls series gm engines right? I asme not actually the old school 454 big blocks? I love the ls motors...didnt know that would be easy at all to do....

It'll drop right in read on....

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=79621

[Blk04MM]

When I grow up I want a TH400 with one of these

http://www.chevy-crate-engine.com/images/zz572_720.jpg

13,999.00 out the door and free shipping from summit.
A 9 inch rear would not be out of the question. Flame suit on.

I'm with you. I'll love that. Beast mode!


I was tought that to get one of those and run it properly, you can't grow up... ;)

Lol definitely can't

[MOTOWN]

Theres no cheap way to see 10sec time slips, figure north of 20k easily, and a well planned and proven build. Or if i went Chevy it would be an LSX hands down! almost 700HP out of the crate+ S/C =1,000+RWHP!

[martyo]

What, you have attorney, what's her name?

Mizz MO, of course!

[PHHHHTT]

If I may make a suggestion...........

www.jonkaaseracingengines.com (http://www.jonkaaseracingengines.com)

Most any choice he offers involving a version of a BOSS '9 should do nicely!

[Blown3.8]

Damn! Why you all scare everybody?

20psi capable blower if not add N2O. 600 HP should do it as long as you can get the centri to work out of the hole. 1.5x 60's. 4100lb car with the 600. Some Hoosier drags.

Only thing I'm iffy on in your list is doing it on pump and meth. But I think it'll be ok if you stick with a centri and good IC.

[Vortech347]

Real slicks. Not ET radials. Will help a ton. 4.30's too.

[Blown3.8]

Oh yeah and one more thing........ PHQ a chevy.

[drhill]

It'll drop right in read on....

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=79621

This is great - seems to me like a perfect thing for a clean crown vic police interceptor! In fact this would be a great project...cheap, durable chassis and rear, lsx engine and 4l80e trans...sweet:beer:

[drhill]

Damn! Why you all scare everybody?

20psi capable blower if not add N2O. 600 HP should do it as long as you can get the centri to work out of the hole. 1.5x 60's. 4100lb car with the 600. Some Hoosier drags.

Only thing I'm iffy on in your list is doing it on pump and meth. But I think it'll be ok if you stick with a centri and good IC.

This is kind of what I thought...I would be borderline but it might be possible to run 10's. I hear you guys on the real slicks, I avoid them unless I have to, just one more thing to deal with.

Good info all around gents! I'm all for a crown vic lsx swap now....

[dohc324ci]

Built shortblock and swap that T-Trim out for a V7-JT trim race blower, 8-rib setup, bigger injectors and Dual GT40 FP. I would also look at the FRPP stroker shortblock. This sounds like a fun project to me!

https://www.fordracingparts.com/m/part.asp?p=22907
http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/page.php?id=30015
http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/page.php?id=30040

[Blk04MM]

Damn! Why you all scare everybody?

20psi capable blower if not add N2O. 600 HP should do it as long as you can get the centri to work out of the hole. 1.5x 60's. 4100lb car with the 600. Some Hoosier drags.

Only thing I'm iffy on in your list is doing it on pump and meth. But I think it'll be ok if you stick with a centri and good IC.


Nobody is trying to scare anyone. We all just gave the OP a HONEST reply.

YES. You can get into the 10s
HELL NO. It isn't cheap by far.

LSx swapping will get you into the 10s cheaper is all I've said and others agreed. If anyone has the bucks to 10 second a mod motor then hats off to ya!

[LANDY]

My car did 11.4@123 thru a slipping trans since my last build. That's on a tight converter and slipping second gear shift. All on a YSI on 21 psi on pump gas. I have made some adjustments and i think on a good weather day i can hit a 10.9 (not in this summer heat). But to get here i have spent over 10k not counting blower kit and and Labor since i built the car. If i were to do it again i would have stayed stock bottom end at high 11's and lived a faster life with another car. Plz don't put an LSX on your car. For the record LS motor is not a BBC.

[blkZooM]

I've personal wanted to trade my marauder in for either a g8 GT, SRT8 Charger or JEEP procharged either one of them and never look back at the Marauder, but patients is key (A LOT) & money.

With that being said don't let some of the comment discourage you, can it be done of course, is it going to be cheap, no not really. This is one of the last muscle sedans to be looking at to run 10's in my opinion, but like me your asking because you would want to run it in and with the Marauder.

Your best bet now a days (well really only bet) is eaton swap subtract the eaton add a 2.3 TVS or 2.9 Whipple or bigger, built bottom end, fuel system built trans etc etc. As I've said it expensive but if your not trying to run 10's tomorrow, and you take it slow, don't rush your build and have the mindset you only want to do things ONE TIME. It shouldn't be as expensive as other have stated that's my opinion anyways. Good luck on what ever your decide

[jon5212]

LQ9 plus a big single turbo, plus 3500-4000 RPM Stall/built tranny will probably do the trick.

[LOWBUCKMM]

Just turbo the mod motor build the bottom end turn up the boost and see what happens. OR just give me some time and ill let you know how it goes.

[hotford]

Damn! Why you all scare everybody?

20psi capable blower if not add N2O. 600 HP should do it as long as you can get the centri to work out of the hole. 1.5x 60's. 4100lb car with the 600. Some Hoosier drags.

Only thing I'm iffy on in your list is doing it on pump and meth. But I think it'll be ok if you stick with a centri and good IC.


Yes this will do it....only wish my MM weighted 4100, i scaled it with me and it tipped the scales at 4600 with me in it.........

[jsignorelli]

Good Luck on your project. I run 10.35 my '93 Mustang with Hoosier slicks, skinny front tires, 650 RWHP, 545 Ft-Lbs of Torque, 19 lbs of boost, GT-40 aluminum heads-polished & ported, 32 lb injectors, 347 stroker motor, tubular front end, coil over shocks, complete rear suspension race upgrade, and only 3200 pounds with the driver.

You want to do this on a car with an extra 1200 lbs. Run without the spare, take out any extra weight, run with only a few gallons of fuel, etc.

[Vortech347]

32lb injectors? what were you running them at? 80psi?

[NTHE10s]

morning,

At 600rwhp, you would be close but the Tune, track prep, temps, head wind, etc... would need to be spot on.

To get into the 10's with our heavy cars takes some planning and big power.

minimum items needed to make it a reliable setup if staying with 4.6/5.4l.

Engine: Forged short block(9-9.5:1 if staying 93 octane)
Heads: Stock
Cams: custom(that cost about the same as off the shelf)

Fuel system: return style, 60lbs injectors (minimum size i would use)Magnafuel 4303 pump, fuel reg, -10 feed, and -8 return

Trans: Built

Rear: 31 spline(turbo 3.55/3.08 - S/C 4.10's)
Suspension: upgrade the control arms, shocks

Tires: M/T radial or Slicks

Power adder: Turbo is how i would do it

Single 88mm Turbo
ProCharger F1
or
Nitrous fogger system.

theres a few other things but this should give a better idea what it will take.

Rich

[LANDY]

Planning is key. Many people just buy parts and throw them together then ask why their car doesn't perform.

[blkZooM]

Rear: 31 spline(turbo 3.55/3.08 - S/C 4.10's)


Off topic a bit I've always wondered this, for a real torque monster down low wouldn't it benefit one to go with taller gears to help with traction just adding gobs of power with no way to pot it to the ground isn't going to help

[robertmee]

32lb injectors? what were you running them at? 80psi?

+1...I'd like to see 32 lbs reach 650 RWHP...Assuming 17% drivetrain loss, BSFC of .8, Duty cycle of 80% you'd need 200 PSI of fuel pressure...lol

[NTHE10s]

Off topic a bit I've always wondered this, for a real torque monster down low wouldn't it benefit one to go with taller gears to help with traction just adding gobs of power with no way to pot it to the ground isn't going to help

Yes and no. For drag racing It really depends on your set-up and horse power. ( Turbo, Nitrous, Root S/C, Centrifugal S/C, factory suspension, modified suspension, race suspension, tire size, transmission, convertor, etc... tons of variables. Most of the time 3.55-4.10's work good.

Like my setup - 700rwhp, Turbo, auto trans, 3500stall, 28" tire, and 3.55 gear. I am going through the traps at 6400rpm in 3rd(my power doesn't fall off until 7000rpm). I could good 3.27 but haven't max the 3.55s out yet and I am still dead hooking with 1.55 60'.

Rich

[Blown3.8]

Yes and no. For drag racing It really depends on your set-up and horse power. ( Turbo, Nitrous, Root S/C, Centrifugal S/C, factory suspension, modified suspension, race suspension, tire size, transmission, convertor, etc... tons of variables. Most of the time 3.55-4.10's work good.

Like my setup - 700rwhp, Turbo, auto trans, 3500stall, 28" tire, and 3.55 gear. I am going through the traps at 6400rpm in 3rd(my power doesn't fall off until 7000rpm). I could good 3.27 but haven't max the 3.55s out yet and I am still dead hooking with 1.55 60'.

Rich

That sounds like a LOOSE converter.:confused: Are you locking it?

[ajdereicup]

Very interesting info in here. Should be helpful

[NTHE10s]

That sounds like a LOOSE converter.:confused: Are you locking it?

No, I am not locking it. I will have to check my logs. you're right. Running those numbers put me a about 18% slip.

[Blown3.8]

No, I am not locking it. I will have to check my logs. you're right. Running those numbers put me a about 18% slip.

Yup thats what I came up with too.

[LANDY]

Lock that ***** after third. My FTI loves it.

[Blown3.8]

Its probably optimal how it is now without locking. Depending on where his peak power is. But 6400 he should be in the meat of the band.

Definatly something to try out tho.

[LANDY]

Yeah. Mine runs faster unlocked with blower only but on the gun it needs it.

[bigcowl-imp]

Good Luck on your project. I run 10.35 my '93 Mustang with Hoosier slicks, skinny front tires, 650 RWHP, 545 Ft-Lbs of Torque, 19 lbs of boost, GT-40 aluminum heads-polished & ported, 32 lb injectors, 347 stroker motor, tubular front end, coil over shocks, complete rear suspension race upgrade, and only 3200 pounds with the driver.

You want to do this on a car with an extra 1200 lbs. Run without the spare, take out any extra weight, run with only a few gallons of fuel, etc.

WOW i sure love my stockish LS motors on motor.

[bigcowl-imp]

Planning is key. Many people just buy parts and throw them together then ask why their car doesn't perform.

bingo...2x

[NTHE10s]

Yup thats what I came up with too.

alright i checked. when i crossed the line i was at 6267rpm.

so that puts the slip% around 13.6ish.... not the best but better then 18 LOL!!

Rich