Emissions trouble

[O3 pharoh]

Marauder failed to communicate with emissions station, even on stock tune. I tested the car two years ago and passed with Lidio tune on it. Nothing has changed, any ideas on why the systems are not turning on and reading for the emissions or scan tools at shop?
Thanks in advance

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[martyo]

See if your car communicates with your Xcal.

[RF Overlord]

Did Lid flash your PCM or do you have a chip?

If it's a chip, I had the same issue in MA a few years ago. The state changed their software and I had to get a special cable from Lidio...works like a charm now. Was only like $15 or something cheap like that...call him.

[1 Bad Merc]

They changed the emission software in Illinois July 1. Looking for oxygen sensors that are turned off in the tune. Call Lidio.

[TAKEDOWN]

They changed the emission software in Illinois July 1. Looking for oxygen sensors that are turned off in the tune. Call Lidio.


Did you get yours resolved?

[WhatsUpDOHC]

Marauder failed to communicate with emissions station, even on stock tune. I tested the car two years ago and passed with Lidio tune on it. Nothing has changed, any ideas on why the systems are not turning on and reading for the emissions or scan tools at shop?
Thanks in advance

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Did you drive and "cycle" after restoring the stock tune?

Here's a link

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=81258

[1 Bad Merc]

Did you get yours resolved?

I might have a way and I am looking into it now. If it passes I will let you know.

[justbob]

They changed the emission software in Illinois July 1. Looking for oxygen sensors that are turned off in the tune. Call Lidio.

Try ANYTHING turned off in the tune! I don't have a single thing supported, eight trans codes permanently turned off, and the build removed from my blinking OD light. Yup, I'm screwed as of 10/31...


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[1 Bad Merc]

z pointed me to some mil eliminators that should mimick the back 02 sensors. Dont know why you could not buy 4 of them and run them to give you the o2 sensors. There not real expensive $60 for two. I went on svt and I believe they only want to see the back 02's and the cats showing. Will double check and let you know if I make it or not.

If not I will change my insurance to show car/race car -get an insurance policy showing limited miles allowed and apply for the exemption. If you show them the policy they will allow exemptions from what I understand.

Where there's a will their is a way :)

[EMAS]

z pointed me to some mil eliminators that should mimick the back 02 sensors. Dont know why you could not buy 4 of them and run them to give you the o2 sensors. There not real expensive $60 for two. I went on svt and I believe they only want to see the back 02's and the cats showing. Will double check and let you know if I make it or not.

If not I will change my insurance to show car/race car -get an insurance policy showing limited miles allowed and apply for the exemption. If you show them the policy they will allow exemptions from what I understand.

Where there's a will their is a way :)

The MIL eliminators for the rear O2 sensors need the front O2 sensors to work. The computer is looking for the rear sensors to trail the front sensors in their response and at a lower amplitude.

[justbob]

z pointed me to some mil eliminators that should mimick the back 02 sensors. Dont know why you could not buy 4 of them and run them to give you the o2 sensors. There not real expensive $60 for two. I went on svt and I believe they only want to see the back 02's and the cats showing. Will double check and let you know if I make it or not.

If not I will change my insurance to show car/race car -get an insurance policy showing limited miles allowed and apply for the exemption. If you show them the policy they will allow exemptions from what I understand.

Where there's a will their is a way :)

It's all on the wording on your dec page if they accept it. It used to state show car - limited to 3,500 annual miles.

Now it states show car - limited only to and from shows, no mileage constraints. I.E. out of state? No problem.

Race car - uninsurable for road use..

Like I said its all in how your agent words the proof you provide if they accept it.

My state farm agent is already on stand by for show car valued at $30,000 coverage for a measly $164/every 6 month policy. But If it states only to shows and I get pulled over at midnight or worse yet in an accident, it gives the insurance company an automatic out. That doesn't make me very comfortable. On the other hand, if it doesn't have that in the wording, IL.'s website says you will be denied..

Face it, yes there is work arounds, but they can come to a great risk to your coverage. Fact remains, IL is getting smart..


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[O3 pharoh]

Returned to stock and put the starts and run time on it, even the shop is stumped, these guys are not put there. He fears that since car was used when I bought it, might have had a tune done already. Does any one have a link to, or no where I Can find a stock tune for the vehicle so I can save some dough on having it brought in by Ford dealer? Thanks. Calling Lidio tomorrow.

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[1 Bad Merc]

Just filed for a 4 month extension. Tried the mil eliminators and turned the 02's on in the tune and still failed! :( Trying to go with show car exemption with the state. Will see how that works out :)

My policy allows me to drive to and from shows so I presume if I am traveling at 12 midnight and I get in an accident I am covered.

If this does not work then I am going to give the car to my dad and have him register it to his' summer house in Wisconsin. I guess I will have to get Wisconsin plates but what else can you do? I could also sell it and buy a Grand National and trick it out ....hmmmm.

[PonyUP]

Just filed for a 4 month extension. Tried the mil eliminators and turned the 02's on in the tune and still failed! :( Trying to go with show car exemption with the state. Will see how that works out :)

My policy allows me to drive to and from shows so I presume if I am traveling at 12 midnight and I get in an accident I am covered.

If this does not work then I am going to give the car to my dad and have him register it to his' summer house in Wisconsin. I guess I will have to get Wisconsin plates but what else can you do? I could also sell it and buy a Grand National and trick it out ....hmmmm.

Believe me I feel for you.

I failed emissions in Mass and it's worse than a fail, I have to get cleared by a Mass Motorist Assist Center. When I went there, all hell broke lose.
At the end of the day to get registered, I have to remove the long tube headers, put the OEM manifolds on and the front Cats.

Oh but that's not all, once done and have to have it re dyno'd, retuned, and remove the MAFia in line tuner.

Then I have to go back to the MMAC, get cleared Bd then retest it.

The only good news is I found a reputable tuner in Louden New Hsmpshire that guarantees a tune to pass in Mass

So I drive out to Coastal Customs today and ordered all the parts for the exhaust, I go back on Thursday to get the work done. The front CATs ordered are CARB approved hi flo out of California

It's a pain in the arse. The MMAC guy says it's probably a matter of about 5 years before they make it all but impossible for modded cars to pass. The good news is by then Marauders will be 15 years old and exempt


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[1 Bad Merc]

I dont really think they will be exempt. The 1996's are still being tested (first year to plug in obdII) and my truck has to go every other year. Anything that has the plug in might be subject to the tests indefinitely.....which will suck!

[guspech750]

I dont really think they will be exempt. The 1996's are still being tested (first year to plug in obdII) and my truck has to go every other year. Anything that has the plug in might be subject to the tests indefinitely.....which will suck!

My F250 is exempt. Any heavy dury truck over 8,000lbs (I think) and 2007 or older are exempt:)

And Mike Post at Dynotune MP told a few of us a couple of weeks ago that he has found a way to pass Illinois emissions.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/08/yvava2aq.jpg

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[TAKEDOWN]

^^^ Really! I'm somewhat relieved now...

[guspech750]

^^^ Really! I'm somewhat relieved now...

Mike told us that he has talked to Tim about it. So Tim should know.

Hell, Mike even showed us how he does it on the computer. I'm thinking I will probably just get my car redyno tuned. But have it done by Mike. Super cool and explains everything in detail to you.

I had Mike data log my car for me a few weeks back and Brandon has been trying to dyno tune his car there. (But his car is fighting him every step of the way.)


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[Granddaddy Marq]

Ya'll want my address? There's no emistion control here. That's because we can't spell it.:cool4: :lol:

[bigmerc'03]

are any supercharged marauders in Atlanta having any problems passing?

[Richy04]

If you can read and write to the Ecu with your programmer then the ECU is fine. Put the stock tune in and allow a week for it to clear the not ready code. In NJ they went to the new software in 09 or 10 and I failed and the machine spit out a 2 foot long sheet of issues. A week before I go, I upload the stock tune and then upload the aftermarket tune in the lot when they are done.

[justbob]

Mike told us that he has talked to Tim about it. So Tim should know.

Hell, Mike even showed us how he does it on the computer. I'm thinking I will probably just get my car redyno tuned. But have it done by Mike. Super cool and explains everything in detail to you.

I had Mike data log my car for me a few weeks back and Brandon has been trying to dyno tune his car there. (But his car is fighting him every step of the way.)


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Mike will be retuning mine next week, so we shall see. I'm going to drop it off for a couple days so he can work his magic on a few drivability issues as well.


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[guspech750]

Mike will be retuning mine next week, so we shall see. I'm going to drop it off for a couple days so he can work his magic on a few drivability issues as well.


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Woooooooo Hoooooooo!

Look forward to the end results my friend.


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[Baaad GN]

So Joe with the retune etc you believe or are they saying the car will pass? Is anyone saying they can get them to pass now?

[O3 pharoh]

Looks like some one tampered with the tune and locked it out. So the stock tune cant even be reloaded. Now looks like having to replace pcm. Anyone have an extra stock pcm that will allow the stock tune reflashed or had three stock tune already on. 300 b model 2003

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[EMAS]

I do not think there is a way to lock the tune. It sounds like there is a problem between the OBD connector and the computer so that you can't communicate with the computer, which IIRC is what you posted that the emissions test indicated, "no communication". So I'd check out the communications bus, the power and grounds at the OBD connector before throwing a computer at it and having it not solve your problem.

[O3 pharoh]

The obd ground and connection was checked, then on to Ford friend for stock software and they can't figure any other way then some one locking it. To my knowledge only one other person has ever touched it! And he won't even answer the phone. Nor sure if he finally gave up cars yet.

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[Richy04]

Sounds like it was corrupted somehow, what year is your Marauder? There were 3 factory tunes as far as I can remember, all 04's had the MAV2 stock tune to accommodate the Traction Control switch that was added and maybe some minor tweaks. Can they upload and download from your ECU?

There is no lock, have them check the vin in the ECU and see if it's corrupted. I have the MAV2 stored on my laptop for the sniper programming system if you have an 04 and want it. I am sure others here may have it in SCT format too..

Your best bet is to bring it straight to Ford and have them hammer it on their proprietary system back to stock with your original vin. Then take it from there with a reputable tuner who can hook you up with an new tune and an SCT so you have everything in your hand set for your car. This whole venture won't be cheap though.

You can also see if anyone here has an ECU which is stock with a stock Ford tune which matches the sticker inside your door jamb. A tuner with a full blown SCT system may be able to vin match it for you I think, the dealer definitely can. This way when you go for an inspection, it will all jive on the emissions sheet.

Just so you know, a "No Communication" from the emissions shop may be several things, If they can get in and read the ECU, then there is no problem beyond that the stock tune is not in the ECU. The "No comm" is from each emissions item their computer is polling but is turned off in the aftermarket tune like your rear O2's. This will spit out a 12 foot long defect sheet from the emissions shop because generally an aftermarket tune will turn a lot of stuff off that it no longer needs to see. This will wreak havoc with the emissions shop computer because it will get a "No Comm" code from the O2's etc.. That will generate a fail on their end and label everything "No comm" If your emissions sheet shows some stuff working and other stuff messed up, there is nothing wrong with your ECU, but you will need to upload the stock Ford tune for our cars to pass. That you will need to get, then get someone to read and save your original tune and then upload the stocker, read and save that. Wait a few days after uploading the stocker so it doesn't have the "not ready" flag in the ECU, get it inspected, then roll it back to your non stock tune in the lot.

You need to get the stock tune with your vin stored on a tuning device along with what is in there. You usually cannot upload a stock tune with any aftermarket tuning boxes with one vin number when the ecu has another because the aftermarket stuff uses the vin as a guide so you can't upload tunes to your buddies car since his vin is different...

[O3 pharoh]

03, 300 B. It is at Ford now and they cannot get it back to the stock to either. O2 sensors in the rear were just replaced. If anybody has a very good strategy to replace it when Ford cannot, I'm all ears. I am in northern Illinois.

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[DS650]

Florida has no emission test, time to move.

[1stMerc]

If your hand held software is updated without returning car to stock, and you reload a tune you will no longer be able to return car to stock. Experienced this first hand some years ago and had to get another pcm. Unfortunately stock one was not available, so had to get the new revisioned one.

[1stMerc]

03, 300 B. It is at Ford now and they cannot get it back to the stock to either. O2 sensors in the rear were just replaced. If anybody has a very good strategy to replace it when Ford cannot, I'm all ears. I am in northern Illinois.

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You're gonna need another pcm. Warning it is around 800 bucks plus setup (at least it was about 6 years ago when i went through it. See if you can get your model year from the bone yard, also take both your keys so they can be matched to pats.

Been there.

Good luck...

[O3 pharoh]

OK, will the ones listed on ebay not work?

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[1stMerc]

If they are the same strategy code as your current one, they shouldn't be a problem.