Aftermarket oil pan X-tra capacity

[Bradley G]

I am looking into aftermarket oil pan(s) what fits? Where did you see it & or where did you obtain it?
Can you use the stock pick up tube?
TIA!

[RacerX]

This guy has wut u need: ;)
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=88285

[DTUB]

I don't think anyone makes a high capacity pan that fits our car.
You can do what I did and buy an uncoated MMR cobra 7Q and modify the front to clear the crossmember then paint or powder coat.
I used there highflow pickup but a stock Cobra works too.

[guspech750]

I recall something about a larger pan with a drain plug that was used on the Uhaul Ford vans and they fit our cars.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=819273

Maybe it has a larger capacity. Maybe it doesn't.

Sent from The White House on taxpayers dimes.

DTR + 4.10's + Eaton swap = Wreeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom

[MOTOWN]

Here is what i run on my car, direct bolt on and uses stock pick up http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=79274

[Marauderjack]

My stock pan holds almost 7 quarts so what is the point in spending more money for a "7 Quart Pan".......help me out here!!:cool:

[REAL4WD]

I recall something about a larger pan with a drain plug that was used on the Uhaul Ford vans and they fit our cars.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=819273

Maybe it has a larger capacity. Maybe it doesn't.

Sent from The White House on taxpayers dimes.

DTR + 4.10's + Eaton swap = Wreeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom

http://www.adtr.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_67&product_id=142

[MOTOWN]

My stock pan holds almost 7 quarts so what is the point in spending more money for a "7 Quart Pan".......help me out here!!:cool:

The stock oil pan is 5 or 6 qts plus the filter not 7 qts

[Marauderjack]

The stock oil pan is 5 or 6 qts plus the filter not 7 qts

OK.....so what will an extra quart do for a street car??:confused:

I simply cannot see any real advantage except it looks cool!!;)

[Krytin]

If you are running a high volume oil pump the extra quart is insurance against sucking all of the oil out of the pan before it can drain back down.

[Marauderjack]

If you are running a high volume oil pump the extra quart is insurance against sucking all of the oil out of the pan before it can drain back down.

Maybe at a constant 7500+ RPM's......then you should run a dry sump system anyway!!:rolleyes:

I still say the OEM oil pan and system are more than adequate for street/strip cars!!:beer:

[Krytin]

No, under hard cornering with a high volume oil pump in a stock pan the probability of sucking air goes up.
Baffles in the sump could help but if you do run a high volume pump and you want the insurance a new pan w/baffles you might just as well have the extra quart.

[MOTOWN]

Maybe at a constant 7500+ RPM's......then you should run a dry sump system anyway!!:rolleyes:

I still say the OEM oil pan and system are more than adequate for street/strip cars!!:beer:

Your theory is wrong, a high volume oil pump has the ability to pull all of the oil out of a stock capacity oil pan, at normal driving conditions!

I did it with a small block 406 I built, spun a cam bearing in the process! All the oil was in the heads draining back to the oil pan.

[Marauderjack]

Your theory is wrong, a high volume oil pump has the ability to pull all of the oil out of a stock capacity oil pan, at normal driving conditions!

I did it with a small block 406 I built, spun a cam bearing in the process! All the oil was in the heads draining back to the oil pan.

If all the oil is going up the pushrods to the heads something else is dreadfully wrong!!:eek: Same with overhead cam motors!!:cool: You will never pump a gallon or more oil into the valve covers!!:shake:

All oiling systems have bypasses built in to recycle a large portion of the oil directly back to the sump....you can only force so much through a correctly clearanced system REGARDLESS of the pressure and volume!!;)

Plus greatest volume of oil should be fed to the bottom end and cylinder walls.......all of what leaks by the journals and what goes to the cylinders falls directly back to the sump!! :beer:

I can see where you might sling enough oil to the side of the pan in a 1G turn to suck air and as you state baffles will help that but in street/strip cars this should never happen anyway!!:shake:

Do what you think is prudent but I still think a lot of money is needlessly wasted on these kinds of modifications........they don't hurt anything but don't really fix anything either!!;)

[MOTOWN]

If all the oil is going up the pushrods to the heads something else is dreadfully wrong!!:eek: Same with overhead cam motors!!:cool: You will never pump a gallon or more oil into the valve covers!!:shake:

All oiling systems have bypasses built in to recycle a large portion of the oil directly back to the sump....you can only force so much through a correctly clearanced system REGARDLESS of the pressure and volume!!;)

Plus greatest volume of oil should be fed to the bottom end and cylinder walls.......all of what leaks by the journals and what goes to the cylinders falls directly back to the sump!! :beer:

I can see where you might sling enough oil to the side of the pan in a 1G turn to suck air and as you state baffles will help that but in street/strip cars this should never happen anyway!!:shake:

Do what you think is prudent but I still think a lot of money is needlessly wasted on these kinds of modifications........they don't hurt anything but don't really fix anything either!!;)

Everything you just stated is based on theory and not facts, any engine builder nows a high volume high pressure oil pump can and will empty an oem oil pan!

It just doesn't have the capacity to keep up with the pump, hence why aftermarket 7 qt pans came about.

[Marauderjack]

Everything you just stated is based on theory and not facts, any engine builder nows a high volume high pressure oil pump can and will empty an oem oil pan!

It just doesn't have the capacity to keep up with the pump, hence why aftermarket 7 qt pans came about.

I have built bunches of motors and a couple with high volume pumps and never ran a pan dry but also never ran roundy-round wide open either!! I'll ask the guy who bought my Cobra replica with a 408W in it if he's seen problems with the stock 4 qt. pan.....he runs it pretty damn hard a Roebling near Savannah!!??

Dry sump with 5 gallon tank is the real answer and I'll quit aggravatin' ya now!!:beer:

Y'all do what makes ya feel "HAPPY....HAPPY....HAPPY"!!! :beer: ;)

[Mr. Man]

Anybody try the Mag-Hytec pan?

[MOTOWN]

I have built bunches of motors and a couple with high volume pumps and never ran a pan dry but also never ran roundy-round wide open either!! I'll ask the guy who bought my Cobra replica with a 408W in it if he's seen problems with the stock 4 qt. pan.....he runs it pretty damn hard a Roebling near Savannah!!??

Dry sump with 5 gallon tank is the real answer and I'll quit aggravatin' ya now!!:beer:

Y'all do what makes ya feel "HAPPY....HAPPY....HAPPY"!!! :beer: ;)

Not at all bud, just friendly conversation!;)


Anybody try the Mag-Hytec pan?

I have there Double deep trans pan on my car and love it!

[Mr. Man]

I have there Double deep trans pan on my car and love it![/QUOTE]Are there any fitment issues? I just want to pull off the old and bolt on the new. Not interested in futzing with the crossmembers or anything. :)

[MOTOWN]

I have there Double deep trans pan on my car and love it!Are there any fitment issues? I just want to pull off the old and bolt on the new. Not interested in futzing with the crossmembers or anything. :)[/QUOTE]

None at all, and its a direct bolt on

[Mr. Man]

Are there any fitment issues? I just want to pull off the old and bolt on the new. Not interested in futzing with the crossmembers or anything. :)

None at all, and its a direct bolt on[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the info.....Oh Santa.....:santaw:

[Bradley G]

I heard this guy is real nice :P PM sent a reply received!
Just checking on a new stocker $ & availability I'll be in touch tomorrow
This guy has wut u need: ;)
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=88285

[RR|Suki]

Everything you just stated is based on theory and not facts, any engine builder nows a high volume high pressure oil pump can and will empty an oem oil pan!

It just doesn't have the capacity to keep up with the pump, hence why aftermarket 7 qt pans came about.

I'm a little lost here. Our cranks don't dip down into the pan, and there have been pics of the stock pan with like 9 quarts or something crazy in it.

Either way my motor was built with one of those fancy pants oil pumps, and I've just put 7 quarts in my stock pan for the past 7 years.

Is it that you guys are buying this 7 quart pan and putting 8 or 9 in it? If you are only putting 7 in it, seems like a waste :help:

[MOTOWN]

I'm a little lost here. Our cranks don't dip down into the pan, and there have been pics of the stock pan with like 9 quarts or something crazy in it.

Either way my motor was built with one of those fancy pants oil pumps, and I've just put 7 quarts in my stock pan for the past 7 years.

Is it that you guys are buying this 7 quart pan and putting 8 or 9 in it? If you are only putting 7 in it, seems like a waste :help:

If you want to exceed the capacity of the stock pan then go ahead! i think a lot of people count what the filter holds as part of the oil pan capacity.

[RR|Suki]

If you want to exceed the capacity of the stock pan then go ahead! i think a lot of people count what the filter holds as part of the oil pan capacity.

Haha what? I'm not exceeding the capacity of the pan in any way. Look up the pics, 7 quarts is nothing in the stock pan (pan off the car), oil poured directly into the pan. It's really barely more than 6 in the pan.

There's no real answer in what you posted. Is the reason for going to the 7quart pan to run 7quarts? IE pour 7quarts in the fill hole?

Because again putting 7 in the OEM pan was covered in 2006 or 2007, and even before that in the mustang crowd. Ever since 2003 mine has been running 7... so saying "If you want to exceed the capacity of the stock pan then go ahead!" is not only a non answer, it's also silly since my car has been running that since the year this car came out.

Either way I'll ask again, because I really am curious about the motivation for doing this. My question was quite simple I thought.

Is the point of buying a whole new pan really to go up to 7quarts, or is the objective to run even more oil?

[Mr. Man]

In my case I'm interested in a drain plug and the cooling fins on the Mag-Hytec should help dissipate heat. I'm really just interested in a stock size pan. :)

[MOTOWN]

Haha what? I'm not exceeding the capacity of the pan in any way. Look up the pics, 7 quarts is nothing in the stock pan (pan off the car), oil poured directly into the pan. It's really barely more than 6 in the pan.

There's no real answer in what you posted. Is the reason for going to the 7quart pan to run 7quarts? IE pour 7quarts in the fill hole?

Because again putting 7 in the OEM pan was covered in 2006 or 2007, and even before that in the mustang crowd. Ever since 2003 mine has been running 7... so saying "If you want to exceed the capacity of the stock pan then go ahead!" is not only a non answer, it's also silly since my car has been running that since the year this car came out.

Either way I'll ask again, because I really am curious about the motivation for doing this. My question was quite simple I thought.

Is the point of buying a whole new pan really to go up to 7quarts, or is the objective to run even more oil?

We can go back and forth all night, but the fact is the oem oil pan is not rated at 7 qts is it?
Simply because you force more into it and then give the crankshaft a bath everytime you turn a corner does not mean "its running fine"

As to why anyone goes with a higher capacity pan is simple added capacity with proper baffling to contain the oil in turns, under hard accelleration , etc
again if you disagree with that fine, but it doesnt take away from the fact that the oem oil pan is not designed to hold 7 qts period!

[MOTOWN]

In my case I'm interested in a drain plug and the cooling fins on the Mag-Hytec should help dissipate heat. I'm really just interested in a stock size pan. :)

Mag-Hytec makes a trans oil pan, not an engine oil pan just to clarify.

[Marauderjack]

I'm a little lost here. Our cranks don't dip down into the pan, and there have been pics of the stock pan with like 9 quarts or something crazy in it.

Either way my motor was built with one of those fancy pants oil pumps, and I've just put 7 quarts in my stock pan for the past 7 years.

Is it that you guys are buying this 7 quart pan and putting 8 or 9 in it? If you are only putting 7 in it, seems like a waste :help:

My point exactly!!:beer:

[RR|Suki]

We can go back and forth all night, but the fact is the oem oil pan is not rated at 7 qts is it?
Simply because you force more into it and then give the crankshaft a bath everytime you turn a corner does not mean "its running fine"

As to why anyone goes with a higher capacity pan is simple added capacity with proper baffling to contain the oil in turns, under hard accelleration , etc
again if you disagree with that fine, but it doesnt take away from the fact that the oem oil pan is not designed to hold 7 qts period!

Ok superstar, and where do you have documentation that the pan wasn't designed for 7 quarts? Because the manual says put 6 quarts in the car? That has nothing to do with the design limits, or intentions for that matter.

And there is no going back and forth all night, I'm not arguing at all. This was resolved many years ago, the manuals stating 6qts are doing us a dis-service and 7qts in the OEM pan is actually better since the 4v motors do hold a good amount of oil in the heads and rest of the system.

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/new-edge-cobras-51/413036-oil-pan-capacity-test-pics.html

Look at the picture of 4 quarts in particular (being the amount of oil in the pan with 7 quarts and the engine runnning). All the oil is down in the sump... so unless you are cornering upside down, there is no giving the crank a bath or any of that nonsense. The proof is in the pictures
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f193/BOOSTED2V/4quarts.jpg

Edit* it's also instructive to look at how low 3 quarts is (the amount left in the pan when running if you fill with 6 quarts)
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f193/BOOSTED2V/3quarts.jpg
6 quarts
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f193/BOOSTED2V/6quarts.jpg

7 quarts
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f193/BOOSTED2V/7quarts.jpg

Like I say this was solved years ago, as is typical with ford, just because it says something in the manual doesn't always mean it's the best thing... it also says 5w-20 in our manual, and our engine in other countries calls for different oils...

So again from the start, I'm not here to argue something that has been proven and put to bed years ago, I was just wondering if people were wanting even more oil.

[MM2004]

Guys, this has been a very informative thread. So let's keep it that way. Please?

;)

Mike.

[Bradley G]

Mo Better!:banana2:

:lol:

[jsignorelli]

I am reading all of this chatter on oil pans and wonder if anyone remembers that you are trying to change a 4200 car into a oval track racer.
I have a dry sump system in my factory Five Cobra kit car. It is a 2200 lb racer. I have a huge oil pan with multiple baffles in my '89 & '93 Mustang race cars. They are 3100 pounds and meant for straight acceleration at the drag track.
My Marauder is meant to be exactly what it is...fun to drive on long trips, and a head turner when around town. Changing it into a racer will increase the values of the remaining Marauders as owners blow them up.

[Bradley G]

Hey Don't be hatin' on us guys that go fast! :P These cars are not worth anymore than the fun we have earned with them !!!:banana2:
I am reading all of this chatter on oil pans and wonder if anyone remembers that you are trying to change a 4200 car into a oval track racer.
I have a dry sump system in my factory Five Cobra kit car. It is a 2200 lb racer. I have a huge oil pan with multiple baffles in my '89 & '93 Mustang race cars. They are 3100 pounds and meant for straight acceleration at the drag track.
My Marauder is meant to be exactly what it is...fun to drive on long trips, and a head turner when around town. Changing it into a racer will increase the values of the remaining Marauders as owners blow them up.

[MOTOWN]

Ok superstar, and where do you have documentation that the pan wasn't designed for 7 quarts? Because the manual says put 6 quarts in the car? That has nothing to do with the design limits, or intentions for that matter.

And there is no going back and forth all night, I'm not arguing at all. This was resolved many years ago, the manuals stating 6qts are doing us a dis-service and 7qts in the OEM pan is actually better since the 4v motors do hold a good amount of oil in the heads and rest of the system.

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/new-edge-cobras-51/413036-oil-pan-capacity-test-pics.html

Look at the picture of 4 quarts in particular (being the amount of oil in the pan with 7 quarts and the engine runnning). All the oil is down in the sump... so unless you are cornering upside down, there is no giving the crank a bath or any of that nonsense. The proof is in the pictures
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f193/BOOSTED2V/4quarts.jpg

Edit* it's also instructive to look at how low 3 quarts is (the amount left in the pan when running if you fill with 6 quarts)
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f193/BOOSTED2V/3quarts.jpg
6 quarts
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f193/BOOSTED2V/6quarts.jpg

7 quarts
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f193/BOOSTED2V/7quarts.jpg

Like I say this was solved years ago, as is typical with ford, just because it says something in the manual doesn't always mean it's the best thing... it also says 5w-20 in our manual, and our engine in other countries calls for different oils...

So again from the start, I'm not here to argue something that has been proven and put to bed years ago, I was just wondering if people were wanting even more oil.

Ok Whatever bud!, i honestly think you are clueless, but whatever man since they said its work fine on the internet it must be true right?:bs: