fuel injector issues with only 300 miles

[saphireplatinum]

Just bought a Marauder and found with only 300 miles on the odometer it started running rough at about 55 mph and blowing oil out the dual exhaust. It was like a bad Cheech and Chong movie.......

It was diagnosed at the dealer as a fuel injector problem. I drove it around about a 100 more miles that night and had to take it back to the dealer. Has anyone else had any problems with the injectors in the first 1000 miles? Is this usual for this engine....... I think not in the research I've done. People were mostly complaining of the transmission when I was looking into this purchase.

I am currently getting about 10 miles to the gallon with this problem. And this was supposed to support a weekly commute between Michigan and Buffalo. Damn, I'll be broke in no time.... 10 miles to a gallon.

[Petrograde]

Wecome aboard!
I'm sorry to hear about your problem with your shiney new MM. I haven't heard of any problems like that before.

I hope the dealership sqaures you away with it!

[RF Overlord]

it started running rough at about 55 mph and blowing oil out the dual exhaust.

I am currently getting about 10 miles to the gallon with this problem.

First of all, Welcome!

Second, are you sure it's OIL out the tailpipes? Is the smoke blue or black?

If it's running rough, putting out black smoke, and only getting 10 MPG, it does sound like an injector issue as your dealer said. Possibly one stuck open, making that cylinder very rich, which would give the above symptoms. It could also be a problem with the MAF or the ECM...

None of these potential problems is common, so let us know what the dealer finds, eh?

[RoyLPita]

Welcome aboard. Sorry to hear about your troubles. Anyway, keep us posted, please.

[saphireplatinum]

The smoke is blue and the original thought was a fuel injector stuck open, I took it back to the dealer last night and I'll find out later today what they suspect.

Thanks for the support, I only joined earlier today and I already love this site!

Allright, I'm off for my trip to work (all 315 miles of it).:confused:

[Fourth Horseman]

Blue smoke would indicate burning oil, wouldn't it? Bad valve guide?

[tta197]

Welcome to the site. Is your car a 2003 or 2004?

[jgc61sr2002]

Welcome to the MM site. :D Hope the problem gets resolved quickly. :(

[CRUZTAKER]

Welcome! and let us know when you get back....thinking out loud....should this car be taken on a road trip in this condition???

I thinking loaner, since it's still so new.

[RCSignals]

If you are getting only 10mpg, most of that fuel is probably ending up in your crankcase, diluting the oil, and being thinner, this oil is more readily getting into the combustion chambers and burning.

I can't imagine why your dealer would diagnose the problem and then let you drive car unfixed.

If your oil has been diluted there could be other damage caused

[RF Overlord]

Excellent point, RC...I should have seen that one...you da' man! :up:

[saphireplatinum]

I didn't think it wise to entrust myself to getting across Canada/ Michigan in the Marauder yet, so I kept my backup.... and probably will keep it for awhile longer now.

The second trip back to the dealer and they still didn't fix anything just diagnosed and gave it back. (again a fuel injector).....

It's a 2004 in silver. Pretty sweet looking. Already catching eyes,..... :eek: and unwanted glances from the Troopers in New York when they don't see a plate on the front (registered to Michigan).

[TripleTransAm]

The second trip back to the dealer and they still didn't fix anything just diagnosed and gave it back. (again a fuel injector).....


Interesting... are they, umm... GOING TO FIX IT????

[MitchB]

You risk ruining the ring seal in this cylinder by washing it down with fuel. Get it fixed ASAP and do a compression check in a couple thousand miles.

Mitch

[BillyGman]

I know that you would rather not think about this right now, but for your sake I'll say it:

I think that it's very important for you to go to your dealer, and insist that they give you receipts for both of the two times that they worked on your car to correct this problem. And make sure BEFORE you leave that there are dates on BOTH of those receipts. if they try to tell you that you don't need a receipt since it was warantee work, tell them that you insist on receipts anyway for your own records and that you are entitled to them weather it's warantee work or not.

If they will not cooperate, then ask for the service manager's name first, and then ask to talk to him about that, and tell him the same thing. You might very well need the receipts with the dates on them IF they do NOT fix the problem completely by the third time. The Lemmon law sates that upon returning your car for the third time to the dealer for the same problem, they still do not fix it, then you are atleast entitled to a whole other new car(or possibly a refund, but I'm not possitive about the refund part). But the law stipulates that the three visits to your dealer have to all be within a certain time frame (it's eather 30 days, or 90 days) so you might very well need proof that you were there three times as well as what dates the three times occured, and that's why you should alwys ask for a receipt. Most dealers will NOT give you one for warantee work, unless you demand it. And I'm sure that it's because of this law they don't.

[saphireplatinum]

All right, the car is back in my care and it runs great now. Wait till I tell you about it.

It turns out with the purchase I had a remote starter installed (by a second company that does most of the additions for this dealership). The problem turned out to be the remote starter. The wires had melted and it wasn't grounded/ insulated right causing the #1 injector problem and also diagnosed in the first visit was a code about not recognizing the key (probably the remote starter malfunction from the get go).

They repaired the wires and checked the fuel injector as well as changed the oil. She runs like a dream now.

And yes, I had read about the lemon law and it was 4 returns for repairs on the same thing in two years of purchase or 18,000 miles in New York state. And no, this wouldn't have counted towards it because it was an aftermarket addition (can you believe it!).

But all is well now. That's me you see smiling like a Cheshire cat behind the wheel of the slinky sliver mm. :P

Thank you for your input!!!!

Jodie

[TripleTransAm]

The wires had melted and it wasn't grounded/ insulated right causing the #1 injector problem and also diagnosed in the first visit was a code about not recognizing the key (probably the remote starter malfunction from the get go).


Jodie, I'm glad things were rectified to your satisfaction... but there is still one thing troubling me. It would seem to me that you required several visits to the dealer, each time the service department semi-correctly identifying the problem, but it also seems to me they never really tried to fix it!

That's kind of like going to the doctor complaining of a certain symptom, the doctor has a look at it and proudly proclaims "congratulations, you have a broken arm." and then calmly proceeds to write you the bill and hurry you along out the door, wishing you good luck and prosperity and all that.

I strongly suggest you find another dealer... I hope you never have to deal with them on more serious issues, like after an accident...
(you bring your car in to the dealer body shop, the manager comes out and looks at the car and says "yep, in my expert opinion, you had a collision of some sorts all right, from the looks of it" and then gives you back your keys and hands you a bill for the diagnosis.)

[saphireplatinum]

It would seem to me that you required several visits to the dealer, each time the service department semi-correctly identifying the problem, but it also seems to me they never really tried to fix it!

Steve,
I find this may be a problem being a woman. When I was 19 my dad didn't listen to me when I complained about bad gas mileage on my 86 Grand Prix that we had only purchased one week earlier with 102,000 miles on it. The second week I owned the car, the oil pump broke and bammo---- I needed a new engine.

I think car owners are in tune if they want to be with their possessions, no matter male or female, but it seems if you are dealing with some men in the automotive world (the service techs at the dealerships for example), they tend to have an idea that it may be my husbands car (not married).

I was told at my first visit that it's usual for new engines to burn oil... So I may have been fluffed off at my first visit. I may have gained their respect with the second visit when I explained I also wanted the oil changed after they found out what went wrong with the wire shorting out. I hope I deal with that particular tech again. I don't want to have to prove myself over and over to other service technicians.

Thank you for your concern and thoughts. I will keep you posted on otherdevelopments, although I hope there aren't anymore.

Jodie :beer:

[TripleTransAm]

Well, Jodie, don't hesitate to use the accumulated knowledge base here on this board... we'll keep you covered...

[stuart petri]

what was the final verdict? I am having the same problem with my 04 with 35,000 and the dealer says there is nothing wrong with it as far as they are concerned. Any insight would be great.


Thanks
Stu.

[tddpop]

what was the final verdict? I am having the same problem with my 04 with 35,000 and the dealer says there is nothing wrong with it as far as they are concerned. Any insight would be great.

Stu,

She gave the final diagnosis in post number 16 above, good luck and hope you get it figured out. :)



All right, the car is back in my care and it runs great now. Wait till I tell you about it.

It turns out with the purchase I had a remote starter installed (by a second company that does most of the additions for this dealership). The problem turned out to be the remote starter. The wires had melted and it wasn't grounded/ insulated right causing the #1 injector problem and also diagnosed in the first visit was a code about not recognizing the key (probably the remote starter malfunction from the get go).

They repaired the wires and checked the fuel injector as well as changed the oil. She runs like a dream now.

And yes, I had read about the lemon law and it was 4 returns for repairs on the same thing in two years of purchase or 18,000 miles in New York state. And no, this wouldn't have counted towards it because it was an aftermarket addition (can you believe it!).

Jodie

[jim geary]

That is excellent info Billy. I didn't know about that myself. These days you
have to protect yourself cause if you don't no one else will.

[jim geary]

And Jodie you must really love your job to travel that many miles daily. If I wore a hat it would be off to you girl.

[Dragcity]

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[SID210SA]

If Jodie is even still around......

[KillJoy]

Wow..... a corpse from the dead!!!!!

KillJoy

[CRUZTAKER]

Jodie hasn't been around in...how do I put this...?

A LOOOOOOONNNNNGGGGG azzed time.:P

However, there was good info in this thread.
The age was overlooked.
S-happens.