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BlkMamba24
11-23-2013, 12:43 PM
Car just died out on me while I was driving, was giving it gas and it wasn't going anywhere. About 45 sec later as I'm drifting to a safe spot to pullover thr batt light comes on. It starts back up but then immediately dies out again. I'm waiting on AAA now. To top things off my hood latch is broke so can't get under the hood, I'll figure that one out whn I get home.....
fastblackmerc
11-23-2013, 01:40 PM
Car just died out on me while I was driving, was giving it gas and it wasn't going anywhere. About 45 sec later as I'm drifting to a safe spot to pullover thr batt light comes on. It starts back up but then immediately dies out again. I'm waiting on AAA now. To top things off my hood latch is broke so can't get under the hood, I'll figure that one out whn I get home.....
Clogged fuel filter?
whitey
11-23-2013, 02:06 PM
Fuel pump, alternator, fuel filter are 3 main suspects. Need more precise info, while giving it gas....was the engine still running? Etc.
The most likely suspect is the fuel pump.
It can leave a little residual pressure after the engine dies at rpm for it to sputter and run for a second when you try to restart.
If the alternator had given up the ghost it wouldn't have cranked for the short restart.
If the fuel filter was the problem it would idle you just wouldn't be able to accelerate beyond a certain point.
whitey
11-23-2013, 02:19 PM
+1 emas, my wifes friend had the same issue about 2 weeks ago, her dad said the alternator, i said fuel pump. Repair shop said fuel pump, ;) ive heard that if you can bang or jiggle the pump, sometimes itll kick back on to get you closer to help, its a long shot, and pretty red neck, but it might be worth a shot banging the inside of the trunk. I understand our fuel pumps are in the gas tank, so it might not work.
marauder410
11-23-2013, 02:40 PM
mine was doing same thing start with the easy common thing fuel filter 15.00 bucks
if that dosent work fuel pump...get a guage on the shradder valve on fuel rails see what your fuel psi are at
88LTDCV351
11-23-2013, 02:45 PM
To top things off my hood latch is broke so can't get under the hood, I'll figure that one out whn I get home.....
Probably the hood struts. Common problem on these cars.
BlkMamba24
11-23-2013, 02:53 PM
Wht about my fuel shutoff switch, jus checked it and the red button is pushed in. Isn't it spose to be up?
BlkMamba24
11-23-2013, 02:54 PM
By the way I'm home now good ole AAA only took bout 15min to get to me
Blackened300a
11-23-2013, 02:59 PM
Wht about my fuel shutoff switch, jus checked it and the red button is pushed in. Isn't it spose to be up?
You want it pushed down. With the key on and engine off, can you hear the fuel pump turn on or is it louder then usual?
BlkMamba24
11-23-2013, 03:12 PM
You want it pushed down. With the key on and engine off, can you hear the fuel pump turn on or is it louder then usual?
Fuel pump turns on and sounds normal to me, car starts and just immediately dies, won't even let me give it any gas...
BlkMamba24
11-23-2013, 03:15 PM
Im going to check the batt and alt soon as I get the F'n hood open
Im going to check the batt and alt soon as I get the F'n hood open
The battery and alternator are not the problem.
If the battery has enough juice to crank the engine then it has enough juice to run the electronics needed to run the engine.
The alternator has nothing to do with the engine's ability to run. Yes if it is bad the vehicle will eventually die from not having the power to run the computer, fuel pump ect. But once it dies like that the battery will be so drained that all that will happen when you turn the key is that you will get clicks from the starter, it will not crank.
BlkMamba24
11-23-2013, 03:31 PM
The battery and alternator are not the problem.
If the battery has enough juice to crank the engine then it has enough juice to run the electronics needed to run the engine.
The alternator has nothing to do with the engine's ability to run. Yes if it is bad the vehicle will eventually die from not having the power to run the computer, fuel pump ect. But once it dies like that the battery will be so drained that all that will happen when you turn the key is that you will get clicks from the starter, it will not crank.
So then its either a fuel, spark, or air issue??
Blackened300a
11-23-2013, 03:44 PM
So then its either a fuel, spark, or air issue??
Kinda odd it will crank, fire then die. Its like you have spark and fuel, but something isn't letting it run. Check engine light or anything come on besides the battery light?
BlkMamba24
11-23-2013, 03:57 PM
No light besides the batt light, I'm going to plug the SCT up and see wht it says
BlkMamba24
11-23-2013, 04:05 PM
No DTCs found
whitey
11-23-2013, 04:10 PM
This may sound stupid, do you have gas? If you do, are you sure it doesnt have any water in the gas, could be a bad tank of fuel. If youre hearing the fuel pump run, its probably working, next thing in line is the filter. When you pull the filter, have a clear cup handy and check that you dont see any water mixed in it.
BlkMamba24
11-23-2013, 04:32 PM
This may sound stupid, do you have gas? If you do, are you sure it doesnt have any water in the gas, could be a bad tank of fuel. If youre hearing the fuel pump run, its probably working, next thing in line is the filter. When you pull the filter, have a clear cup handy and check that you dont see any water mixed in it.
Yep have gas, just got a half tank whn I left work in Springfield,VA....car didn't die out until I reached southern MD bout 25-30miles later....
BlkMamba24
11-23-2013, 04:38 PM
I'm going to pull the filter tomorrow, I've had a brand new motorcraft fuel filter in the garage for about 2yrs now. But I'm prepping the box Vic its taking up the garage space that I need to work on the Marauder, gonna have to throw her back on duty at least till I figure out whts going on. Gotta be up at 445am for work so I'm short on time 2nite....
BlkMamba24
11-23-2013, 05:06 PM
Probably the hood struts. Common problem on these cars.
Off topic but did I mention we have the same two cars same color...I was looking back at the posts from everybody(by the way thanks everybody for the input) and noticed it. Blk Marauder, Gry LTD Vic mines is a 90 tho with a 302 and I'm guessing from your Screen name u got a 88 351.....cool
This is interesting. I think the fuel system has been adequately covered, so I want to address the air intake side.
If the air inlet tube comes off the throttle body, the motor will stop running. Since your hood is still closed it's vital to get it open to continue troubleshooting.
Take a can of WD-40 with a plastic spray tube and from the underside of the car locate the hood latching mechanism and soak it with WD-40.
That should allow you to open the latch with the cockpit pull knob.
Check the air intake path. I must ask, did you have any work done in this path recently?
My intake/TB body mating boot came off a day or so after I had some work done. Motor quit and car would not restart. Reconnected and drove home.
Good luck.
MMARAUDER
11-23-2013, 06:28 PM
+1^^^ this happened to me i was freaking out.my tube from the upper intake split in half. New hose and issue fixed.
So then its either a fuel, spark, or air issue??
Yes it has to be fuel, spark or air.
Air, did you suck a plastic bag up into the air box? You've got to seriously plug up the air intake for it not to idle.
Spark, usually that is a go or no go and the spark required to start an engine is more than required to make it idle.
Fuel, a really weak pump or an almost totally clogged filter will allow enough fuel to pass to get the prime shot and one or two good squirts to make it kick and then not have the volume to keep it idling on it's own.
The quick test for fuel is to grab a can of starting fluid and take off the air intake at the throttle body. Then open the throttle and give it a 2 or 3 second shot and have a helper crank the engine. If it is a fuel problem that should allow it to run longer and if you keep giving it quick bursts of starting fluid to keep running as long as you keep feeding it.
MMBLUE
11-23-2013, 07:07 PM
My intake/TB body mating boot came off a day or so after I had some work done. Motor quit and car would not restart. Reconnected and drove home.
Good luck.
This happened to me as well. ^^^^^
If air and fuel aren't mixing/ too much air or too much fuel = car won't run and will stall after a second or two.
When you get the hood open, look at the wiring harness near the brake booster. You could have the dreaded chaffed wiring problem. :confused:
L.Mark
11-23-2013, 11:58 PM
Feel your pain. My car has been doing this since march of last year with only a IAC code...fuel pump and filter replaced everything else has been checked. Mine is on the way to Curless's this coming Friday(God willing)...:shake:
Curious to see what you find out...
champ1173
11-24-2013, 09:06 AM
This is interesting. I think the fuel system has been adequately covered, so I want to address the air intake side.
If the air inlet tube comes off the throttle body, the motor will stop running. Since your hood is still closed it's vital to get it open to continue troubleshooting.
Take a can of WD-40 with a plastic spray tube and from the underside of the car locate the hood latching mechanism and soak it with WD-40.
That should allow you to open the latch with the cockpit pull knob.
Check the air intake path. I must ask, did you have any work done in this path recently?
My intake/TB body mating boot came off a day or so after I had some work done. Motor quit and car would not restart. Reconnected and drove home.
Good luck.
I love coming to this site! Every time I come here I learn something new. Honestly, when I saw the name of the thread, (Side Of The Road) the song, "End Of The Line" from the Traveling Wiburys popped in my head. Now, I can't get it out of there! Sorry I can't be of any help, but hopefully, once you figure it out, I'll know what to look for if it happens to me. There's a lot of good suggestions here.
Marauderjack
11-24-2013, 01:43 PM
Is there a chance it's a "PATS" problem??:confused: It sounds just like when I tried to start mine with a spare "Non-PATS" key.....cranks and runs until you release the key then dies!!:argue:
Good Luck and I hope ya figger it out quick!!:beer:
BlkMamba24
11-24-2013, 05:08 PM
This is interesting. I think the fuel system has been adequately covered, so I want to address the air intake side.
If the air inlet tube comes off the throttle body, the motor will stop running. Since your hood is still closed it's vital to get it open to continue troubleshooting.
Take a can of WD-40 with a plastic spray tube and from the underside of the car locate the hood latching mechanism and soak it with WD-40.
That should allow you to open the latch with the cockpit pull knob.
Check the air intake path. I must ask, did you have any work done in this path recently?
My intake/TB body mating boot came off a day or so after I had some work done. Motor quit and car would not restart. Reconnected and drove home.
Good luck.
Got it everybody!!! Thanks for all the help. I love this site
The JLT intake that I put on about 3weeks ago had come disconnected from the throttle body. Friday nite whn I got off work I hit a terrible dip n the road doin about 50mph, it hit so hard that I hit the bump stop on the front drivers side. U could feel the jarring hit thru the whole car. I kinda had my suspicions that the intake may come off whn I first put it on bcuz it just didn't seem like it was on tight enough for my liking. I was in a rush that day to get to the race track for the big Import vs Domestic end of the year meet at Budds Creek raceway I just closed the hood and kept it moving.
So the bump Fri must have just made it loose and Sat on my way home it must have finally slipped all the way off. Would have been an easy fix if I could have got my hood open I would have seen that right away and probably wouldn't have posted here or needed a tow truck(dragged my front bumper backing it off n the driveway :mad2: )
So today whn I got off I climbed under
the car and hit the latch that way. So with the hood latch I can do it from up under the car but not from the cabin. Seems as if the cabin latch has lost its connection also somewhere between the cabin and hood latch. Connected the JLT elbow boot back to the throttle body and this time its so tight Superman couldn't get it off if he had help from the Hulk :D
So to help me cope with my tragic day and a half......I ordered 2 Aero Turbine2525 mufflers, patted my baby on her trunk and told her I was sorry for tow ride and the sloppy first job on the intake LOL....
Thanks everybody for the help, Pat u nailed it tho thanks!!
whitey
11-24-2013, 05:25 PM
Pat gets a pat on the back...or butt if thats his thing:dunno:
"Thanks everybody for the help, Pat u nailed it tho thanks!!"
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Your Welcome, BlkMamba24. Happy motoring.
ctrlraven
11-25-2013, 07:59 AM
As reading along my first question would of been have you done anything to the car recently... which was answered by the JLT intake. Glad you figured it out!
88LTDCV351
12-10-2013, 04:58 PM
Off topic but did I mention we have the same two cars same color...I was looking back at the posts from everybody(by the way thanks everybody for the input) and noticed it. Blk Marauder, Gry LTD Vic mines is a 90 tho with a 302 and I'm guessing from your Screen name u got a 88 351.....cool
Mine is black actually. The paint was so worn and distressed from someone sandblasting the police decals off of it so it did kind of look grey for a long time. I since had it painted about a year ago so now it looks like a shiny black.
Baaad GN
12-10-2013, 05:30 PM
I'd forget the mufflers and buy a new cable to the Hood. Just saying!
fastblackmerc
12-10-2013, 07:27 PM
I'd forget the mufflers and buy a new cable to the Hood. Just saying!
Probably the hood latch and bumpers need adjustment and some lube.
BlkMamba24
12-10-2013, 09:47 PM
I'd forget the mufflers and buy a new cable to the Hood. Just saying!
Lol that would almost be too much like right, I'll take a closer look at it when I have some time. This weekend probably, I got about 3 cars that all need multiple things done and I've gotta at least start them Fri
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