13's in N/A form

[Bradley G]

I only know of few members to pedal their N/A Marauder into the thirteen second range in the quarter mile. I'm proud to know one of them in my area named T-bone . I told him this week that he modded his car so much it is a handful just the way it is.
Now he is doing an Eaton swap with his car , I hope he gets the gains that he is antisipating.
I know the flat spot he says he experiences after 80 mph will no longer exist.
I went 14.2 @ 98 N/A , Post Trilogy I went low 13's @103 but that was $7000.00 later.

[babbage]

Congrats Tbone - post up the slip

I am aware of only a few 13's N/A: Blackened300a, Ctlraven are the fast ones...

Managed a 13.8 recently myself - with 3.73's. I really love the way my MM runs now. A good dynotune will remove the flat spot.

[Comin' in Hot]

Offroadcarter ran a 13.91 N/A

[ctrlraven]

My best time came towards the end peak range of my motor as I was tacking a lot of miles on it. The worst/best mod was the torque converter, worst as without a proper tune it sucked, with a proper tune I went from 14.25 to 13.73 on 255/50-16 drag radials. After doing UDP, exhaust and dyno tune (trans parameters were all way off after this) I only knocked off another tenth and picked up 1-2 mph.

Blackened300a has gone boost now and I have a new NA surprise coming in the next few months.

[Mebot]

James1986Fox has a 13.88 posted on the timeslip page.

Previous Owner of my current Marauder, guccijayda) cam close to hitting the 13s (14.1) I asked him about it and he said he wasn't aiming for any low numbers, he was just pulling to see what the car could do.

I firmly believe that with a couple minor tweaks I can get my current N/A Marauder in the high 13's. CtrlRaven, let me know next time there's a run at one of the strips.

[tbone]

After our conversation Brad, I'm tempted to scrape together some more dough and install the forged internals before I blow it up....

It's not really a flat spot. It just seems to get from 0-80 in a hurry, and then 80-100 is underwhelming at best.

[ctrlraven]

James1986Fox has a 13.88 posted on the timeslip page.

Previous Owner of my current Marauder, guccijayda) cam close to hitting the 13s (14.1) I asked him about it and he said he wasn't aiming for any low numbers, he was just pulling to see what the car could do.

I firmly believe that with a couple minor tweaks I can get my current N/A Marauder in the high 13's. CtrlRaven, let me know next time there's a run at one of the strips.
Torque converter. I probably won't race again until the fall.


After our conversation Brad, I'm tempted to scrape together some more dough and install the forged internals before I blow it up....

It's not really a flat spot. It just seems to get from 0-80 in a hurry, and then 80-100 is underwhelming at best.

You should go forged, big bore forged that is. I've got the parts. :beer:

[ajdereicup]

Congrats those are impressive numbers

[jwibbity]

man i need to figure my traction situation out, the best i got was a 14.1 with a 2.3 60', and im supercharged.....:confused::co nfused:

[tbone]

Birdman-How much $$ for the parts?

[Bradley G]

Well since our Aluminum blocks are the ones on the endangered species list compared to our iron block Cobra brothers, I would give that carful consideration. I know I wish I could hit the "Do Over" button! :P


After our conversation Brad, I'm tempted to scrape together some more dough and install the forged internals before I blow it up....

It's not really a flat spot. It just seems to get from 0-80 in a hurry, and then 80-100 is underwhelming at best.

[ctrlraven]

man i need to figure my traction situation out, the best i got was a 14.1 with a 2.3 60', and im supercharged.....:confused::co nfused:
Let's trade cars. :lol:

Are you spinning through the 60 ft or just not getting a good launch?

[ctrlraven]

Birdman-How much $$ for the parts?
$2850 + freight. FRPP Boss50 iron block, Diamond big bore pistons (8.9 - 9.75 CR), Total Seal big bore seal rings, Manley H-beam rods, and Cometic big bore head gaskets. All you would need is a stock Cobra crank and have the motor built.

[Bulldog5.0]

I know mine doesn't count because it's only a 2V vic...but my 13.31 N/A I hope will be VASTLY improved once I get my Supercharger setup on....Deciding now between an intercooled Procharger setup or and Interrcooled Vortech setup....

[jwibbity]

Let's trade cars. :lol:

Are you spinning through the 60 ft or just not getting a good launch?

spinning alot, at MVXI i couldnt catch any traction in 1st gear at the strip

[ctrlraven]

spinning alot, at MVXI i couldnt catch any traction in 1st gear at the strip
What rear tire do you have?

[jwibbity]

bfg kdws, 245/55/18 bought 5 days before the event do to a unforseen spin out...

[ctrlraven]

bfg kdws, 245/55/18 bought 5 days before the event do to a unforseen spin out...
Yeah that tire isn't all that great when it has some power to put down. Would need to run it around 25-26 psi or roll out and ease into it. 265/50 Nitto on stock wheel or 295/45 on widen wheel sa far as street tires will help get you some traction.

[jwibbity]

Yeah that tire isn't all that great when it has some power to put down. Would need to run it around 25-26 psi or roll out and ease into it. 265/50 Nitto on stock wheel or 295/45 on widen wheel sa far as street tires will help get you some traction.

was thinking about getting some steelies and throwing some slicks on for the strip, where should i be e.t. wise??? (4.10s, Eaton, 428hp/378tq, MO's Tune)

[guspech750]

I know mine doesn't count because it's only a 2V vic...but my 13.31 N/A I hope will be VASTLY improved once I get my Supercharger setup on....Deciding now between an intercooled Procharger setup or and Interrcooled Vortech setup....

Ohhhhh. It counts. We're all Panthers brothers here. Sweet time:burnout:


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DTR + 4.10's + Eaton swap = Wreeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom

[ctrlraven]

was thinking about getting some steelies and throwing some slicks on for the strip, where should i be e.t. wise??? (4.10s, Eaton, 428hp/378tq, MO's Tune)
I'd avoid using a steelie and slick. 16" Mustang V6 wheel with a M/T slick or 18x9 or 18x10 with a 305 Nitto DR would work. Could always talk to Mo and see what he recommends.

[sflrainmaker01]

My best time came towards the end peak range of my motor as I was tacking a lot of miles on it. The worst/best mod was the torque converter, worst as without a proper tune it sucked, with a proper tune I went from 14.25 to 13.73 on 255/50-16 drag radials. After doing UDP, exhaust and dyno tune (trans parameters were all way off after this) I only knocked off another tenth and picked up 1-2 mph.

Blackened300a has gone boost now and I have a new NA surprise coming in the next few months.

ctrlraven, that torgue converter picked up over a half second? Wow! What was the stall you are using?

[tbone]

$2850 + freight. FRPP Boss50 iron block, Diamond big bore pistons (8.9 - 9.75 CR), Total Seal big bore seal rings, Manley H-beam rods, and Cometic big bore head gaskets. All you would need is a stock Cobra crank and have the motor built.

Whoa. I'll just run conservative boost numbers until the bank account swells....

[bigmerc281]

What would k&n cai 410s lidio 93 tune jmod x pipe to.spintechs on.255/45/18.hooisers run in.the 1/4 mile?

[ctrlraven]

Whoa. I'll just run conservative boost numbers until the bank account swells....
It costs to be the Boss. :lol:

[fairlane347]

I posted my track day results on here this fall. My Maruader ran a 13.268@101.71 and a 60' time of 1.824 in N/A form. With my nitrous I did go faster but I thought I had a pretty fast N/A set-up. :coolman:

[ctrlraven]

was thinking about getting some steelies and throwing some slicks on for the strip, where should i be e.t. wise??? (4.10s, Eaton, 428hp/378tq, MO's Tune)
Some have used a 99-04 V6 Mustang 16" wheel with a M/T slick, had wheels widen to run a 305 Nitto drag radials or used a 18x9/10 2005 + Mustang wheel with the same 305 Nitto DR. The wider Mustang wheels can be had for pretty cheap on AmericanMuscle.com.

ctrlraven, that torgue converter picked up over a half second? Wow! What was the stall you are using?
Converter, 255/50-16 dr tire and good tune from Zack netted that huge jump. I was told it was a 3500 stall but over the past few years I'm really starting to think it's a 3000 or 3200. Either way the converter ups the torque multiplier from stock 1.95 to 2.35, at least that is PI's claim for their's.

[tbone]

It costs to be the Boss. :lol:

lol I hear that.

The price sounds good. Don't get me wrong. Remember I just blew my wad on the Eaton conversion stuff. Empty pockets......

[tbone]

I posted my track day results on here this fall. My Maruader ran a 13.268@101.71 and a 60' time of 1.824 in N/A form. With my nitrous I did go faster but I thought I had a pretty fast N/A set-up. :coolman:

That's really fast for NA. The 5.0 stroker is badass.

[Motorhead350]

I bet I could do 13s, but I am afraid to blow up the engine.

Tom, I will try you 0-60. :)

[Bulldog5.0]

Ohhhhh. It counts. We're all Panthers brothers here. Sweet time:burnout:


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DTR + 4.10's + Eaton swap = Wreeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom
Thank you....I have issues with the converter locking up in the middle of 2nd and 3rd gears, so it felt like it would have gone a good 13.2x at least without that bogging issue. Plus, it was full weight. With the little diet i am putting it on, which will be all out of site nad not used pieces, should be better. But I am hoping to be SC'd by the time track season rolls around anyway, so I may never know how fast it can be N/A...

[ctrlraven]

Thank you....I have issues with the converter locking up in the middle of 2nd and 3rd gears, so it felt like it would have gone a good 13.2x at least without that bogging issue. Plus, it was full weight. With the little diet i am putting it on, which will be all out of site nad not used pieces, should be better. But I am hoping to be SC'd by the time track season rolls around anyway, so I may never know how fast it can be N/A...

I had the same converter issues, what a headache.

[tbone]

I bet I could do 13s, but I am afraid to blow up the engine.

Tom, I will try you 0-60. :)

Be prepared to be dominated. :flamer:

[Bulldog5.0]

I had the same converter issues, what a headache.
Yeah, sucks...at first i though something in my trans was messed up....you can actually feel the car slow down when it happens....lol

[ctrlraven]

Yeah, sucks...at first i though something in my trans was messed up....you can actually feel the car slow down when it happens....lol
It's all in the tune though and can be tuned out. I modified mine enough that it's barely noticeable. Once my new motor is in I'll be having the car completely re-tuned.

[Bulldog5.0]

It's all in the tune though and can be tuned out. I modified mine enough that it's barely noticeable. Once my new motor is in I'll be having the car completely re-tuned.
Yeah, I know. I'm not sure i can do it myself though. I might need Lonnie to adjust it for me, or wait until I get the supercharger stuff on and make sure it is correct on the new dyno tune for that....

[babbage]

After our conversation Brad, I'm tempted to scrape together some more dough and install the forged internals before I blow it up....

It's not really a flat spot. It just seems to get from 0-80 in a hurry, and then 80-100 is underwhelming at best.


Nice 60' time. Yeah the TC lockup schedule plus shift points make a big difference. It might be that the TC is locked right after the 2-3 shift, does that happen at around 80 on yours with 4.10s?

[tbone]

Nice 60' time. Yeah the TC lockup schedule plus shift points make a big difference. It might be that the TC is locked right after the 2-3 shift, does that happen at around 80 on yours with 4.10s?

Not with OD turned off.

My sluggish 80-100mph performance is not unusual like something is wrong. The car just needs more HP.

[Blackened300a]

Not with OD turned off.

My sluggish 80-100mph performance is not unusual like something is wrong. The car just needs more HP.

My TC locked up around 88mph with the OD off. It killed my power. I would be pulling hard and then it would just fall flat on its face when the TC Locked. My new tune prevents that, I'm just fighting with a bouncing idle when coming to a stop.

[tbone]

I think mine is tuned to not lock up with OD off. I could be wrong I guess.....

I have the bouncing idle when coming to a stop too. But it goes away in cold weather. Not sure what the hell it is.

[guspech750]

I thought CRUZTAKER posted a low 13's time way back in the day?

[ctrlraven]

I thought CRUZTAKER posted a low 13's time way back in the day?

He did without changing displacement. Not sure if he did any head work or was a stock long block.

[Mr. Man]

I thought CRUZTAKER posted a low 13's time way back in the day?
He ran a 13.2 and change. Not sure what he did motorwise to achieve that though.

[guspech750]

He ran a 13.2 and change. Not sure what he did motorwise to achieve that though.

That's what I thought. He told me at MV10. But I can't recall his mods.

I guess I could always look at his old threads.


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DTR + 4.10's + Eaton swap = Wreeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom

[Big House]

It has been a minute since I was in here but I to am in the 13sec N/A club. 13.75 at 99mph. Headers, converter, and a dyno tune.

[Motorhead350]

It has been a minute since I was in here but I to am in the 13sec N/A club. 13.75 at 99mph. Headers, converter, and a dyno tune.

That's where I should be too then. :)

[chief455]

It has been a minute since I was in here but I to am in the 13sec N/A club. 13.75 at 99mph. Headers, converter, and a dyno tune.
Did you get any power numbers during the dyno tune? thanks

[ctrlraven]

I am still in the hunt for low 13's/high 12's. Had originally planned on having a high compression big bore NA motor setup done but came across a great deal on a 11.0:1 forged stock displacement long block that already has head work done to it including cobra intake cams. Tossing on a ported intake, SW headers and upgrade the fuel system and I should be close to my goal range.

New motor will be in next month or March.

[Bluerauder]

I thought CRUZTAKER posted a low 13's time way back in the day?


He ran a 13.2 and change. Not sure what he did motorwise to achieve that though.


That's what I thought. He told me at MV10. But I can't recall his mods.

I guess I could always look at his old threads.

CRUZTAKER ran the low 13's on 23 October 2004 at Mason Dixon Dragway outside Hagerstown, MD. It was part of the MM invitation to participate in the 3rd Annual Northern Virginia Mustang Club (NVMC) shootout. MM.Net was represented by 12 MMs with a large CAM contigent. Here's the results ..

--- N/A CRUZTAKER 13.270 @ 103.21 MPH (On 100 Octane race tune with driver headlight pulled and bald Pirelli P-Zeros)
--- S/C JET in Trilogy #8 12.028 @ 117.01 MPH
--- Full Stock FAT BASTID 14.738 @ 95.37 MPH

As far as I know CRUZTAKER has the quickest N/A documented and witnessed time. Same for FAT Bastid for full stock times. I know of NO other full stock MM quicker than 14.738.

Barry tried for years but was never able to best the N/A 13.27 run. He got Supercharged in about 2008 and ran 11.85 @ 119 MPH in July 2008. He now has a WRX. The timeslip and the specs on the N/A Marauder are no longer in his info specs. Maybe somewhere in the "archives" of MM.Net this info may live on.

1sPepFUl8CA

[Big House]

Chief,

Final dyno numbers were 323hp and 330ft# torque.

[chief455]

Chief,

Final dyno numbers were 323hp and 330ft# torque.
DAMN! I'd be satisfied with that, for the mods you have listed :beer:

Your track times are nice as well. Any special rear tire, or exactly as street driven?

[tbone]

Chief,

Final dyno numbers were 323hp and 330ft# torque.

At the crank or the wheels? I'm assuming wheels....

I only achieved 287 hp at the wheels, but our mods are identical other than the spacer. (???)

13.912 @ 97.3
60 degrees.

[chief455]

At the crank or the wheels? I'm assuming wheels....

I only achieved 287 hp at the wheels, but our mods are identical other than the spacer. (???)

13.912 @ 97.3
60 degrees.
Exactly what I observed - intake spacer. Cheap item to buy and istall. I'm thinking mainly his combination is TUNED very well.
I' was going to do a PHP intake, but think I'll do both spacers (TB) before tuning it now ;)

[tbone]

I'm very confident that my car is tuned perfectly. It was done by Tim Barth, one of the best. The spacer doesn't add that much. Dynos do tend to vary though. Not trying to take away from his car, just trying to understand the difference in hp. 36hp is a lot.

[ctrlraven]

At the crank or the wheels? I'm assuming wheels....

I only achieved 287 hp at the wheels, but our mods are identical other than the spacer. (???)

13.912 @ 97.3
60 degrees.
I did faster with less stuff. lol

Comparing to your mods
13.72 - second set of cats removed, aero mufflers, res-delete tips (rest of exhaust was bone stock), stock 3.55 gears running 255/50-16 (26") drag radial effective 3.89 gear, stock coils, stock fuel pump.

I had a Zack tune, JLT intake, GMS coil connectors, NGK TR6IX plugs, 180 t-stat, PI 3500 stall converter and intake spacer. Plus stuff listed above (exhaust, drag radials). The converter with a proper tune and 26" drag radials took me from 14.25 to 13.72.

Added the UDP, 4.10 gears with a new FRPP diff, mmx driveshaft, upgraded exhaust to 2.5" from manifolds to tips, dyno tune with trans parameters that were way off. Doing 1.9x 60ft, picked up about 1 mph and knocked off almost a tenth of a second.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbLIzDdtKg8
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The intake spacer is ONLY a benefit mod if you have opened up the intake and exhaust.

[chief455]

I'm very confident that my car is tuned perfectly. It was done by Tim Barth, one of the best. The spacer doesn't add that much. Dynos do tend to vary though. Not trying to take away from his car, just trying to understand the difference in hp. 36hp is a lot.
the lower E.T. proves more to me than the dyno number.

I did faster with less stuff. lol

Comparing to your mods
13.72 - second set of cats removed, aero mufflers, res-delete tips (rest of exhaust was bone stock), stock 3.55 gears running 255/50-16 (26") drag radial effective 3.89 gear, stock coils, stock fuel pump.

I had a Zack tune, JLT intake, GMS coil connectors, NGK TR6IX plugs, 180 t-stat, PI 3500 stall converter and intake spacer. Plus stuff listed above (exhaust, drag radials). The converter with a proper tune and 26" drag radials took me from 14.25 to 13.72.

Added the UDP, 4.10 gears with a new FRPP diff, mmx driveshaft, upgraded exhaust to 2.5" from manifolds to tips, dyno tune with trans parameters that were way off. Doing 1.9x 60ft, picked up about 1 mph and knocked off almost a tenth of a second.

The intake spacer is ONLY a benefit mod if you have opened up the intake and exhaust.
Interesting. I've seen identical set up's be that far apart only related to the torque convertors actual result.

[tbone]

the lower E.T. proves more to me than the dyno number.



Tracks, temps and humidity varies. I also ran some 14.3's on the same day I ran the 13.912.

[ctrlraven]

A torque converter made a HUGE difference. PI claims that the stock converter multiplies power at a rate of 1.95, PI's unit does it at a rate of 2.35. It can feel like an extra 50 hp was added as it multiplying and transferring more of the power that is already there.

[chief455]

Tracks, temps and humidity varies. I also ran some 14.3's on the same day I ran the 13.912.
Oh, for sure. A consistent 2 tenth quicker ET with near identical combinations could be many different, non bolt on part factors.

[tbone]

I had to look it up since I couldn't remember exactly. 286.34 hp and 296.82 torque at the wheels.

Need....supercharger......bad. .....asap....