Evaporator not ready = fail emissions???

[Limited360]

Chris, I had the exact same experience with my '84 Turbo! (before I got wise and re-registered it as 'Historic')

The idiot couldn't drive a stick shift smoothly and couldn't follow the computer screen's "drive curve" for $h*t....:mad2:

Kept lugging the engine, then getting into too much boost trying to catch up....etc.

Finally after 2 failed attempts he called over his supervisor, who had to run, and complete, the drive cycle test.....:shake:



And you are right about all those 'Historic' POS I see all the time being used as DDs to commute to work.

I bet Maryland gets smart soon and eliminates the 'Historic' tag option because of how many morons abuse it.


I had to train emissions trace drivers in Taiwan a few years back for Ford. We passed all testing here in Allen Park Michigan... When they started running conformance testing in Taipei they kept failing the emissions.

I couldn't believe how crazy they were at driving on the rolls!! Slipping the clutch to 3500 rpm on every start... Unbelievable... Was plenty more but the fact that they sucked and this was their profession blew me away.


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[License2Bill]

Dom, I haven't read every page here because a lot of it seems to be people saying "it's your fault". Just wondering if you've gotten this sorted out yet?

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[Limited360]

Dom, I haven't read every page here because a lot of it seems to be people saying "it's your fault". Just wondering if you've gotten this sorted out yet?

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It is his fault... It's his car... His maintenance... Not the EPA's fault or the testing procedures.

The fact is when Ford sold the car it was certified to 120k miles. So compliance was done all the way up to 120k miles. That being said it doesn't just stop working after 120k...

Unless modified or not maintained to proper operating condition the car will pass with no problem.


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[Motorhead350]

Dom, I haven't read every page here because a lot of it seems to be people saying "it's your fault". Just wondering if you've gotten this sorted out yet?

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yes.


It is his fault... It's his car... His maintenance... Not the EPA's fault or the testing procedures.

The fact is when Ford sold the car it was certified to 120k miles. So compliance was done all the way up to 120k miles. That being said it doesn't just stop working after 120k...

Unless modified or not maintained to proper operating condition the car will pass with no problem.


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you are forgetting the car has headers and high flow cats which why it would not pass.

The car is fine.

When the rules change its from someone else's doing, NOT MINE.

The rules got more strict. So not its not my fault, it's the green people in office.

Feel free to do an inspection.

[yjmud]

I have passed with long tubes and cats in IL stop blaming everything and own this S!@T

[yjmud]

so why does my vic pass with mil eliminators in it

[yjmud]

I HOPE YOU ENJOY PAYING 600 DOLLARS EVERY TWO YEARS TO DRIVE YOUR CAR

[Limited360]

yes.







you are forgetting the car has headers and high flow cats which why it would not pass.



The car is fine.



When the rules change its from someone else's doing, NOT MINE.



The rules got more strict. So not its not my fault, it's the green people in office.



Feel free to do an inspection.


Your a moron. You modified the car. Once again read my post. Take ownership of your actions.

Rules are the same. 1968.2 is the CARB regulation since 1996. The means of validation have changed which caught your failure to comply.


Suck it up buttercup and take responsibility.




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[Motorhead350]

so why does my vic pass with mil eliminators in it

Because you live in a different area.


I HOPE YOU ENJOY PAYING 600 DOLLARS EVERY TWO YEARS TO DRIVE YOUR CAR

nope. It will be taken care of before the year is up.



Your a moron. You modified the car. Once again read my post. Take ownership of your actions.

Rules are the same. 1968.2 is the CARB regulation since 1996. The means of validation have changed which caught your failure to comply.


Suck it up buttercup and take responsibility.




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You're*

Lol. It's hard to take you seriously with an insult if you do not even type proper grammar.

Sorry, I will not conform my car to the way someone else wants it. There are plenty of people on the board with much heavier setups, they simply can get around easier or have no issues.

We can't modify our cars? I thought this was America.

[yjmud]

No I still Have The Same Test You Do So Next
What Are You Going To Throw A Lit Road Flare In It And Walk Away

[Bigdogjim]

This thread is so much better then watching TV.

Dom will never stop blaming the EPA.

And yes it is America and still must comply:)

[Limited360]

Because you live in a different area.



nope. It will be taken care of before the year is up.




You're*

Lol. It's hard to take you seriously with an insult if you do not even type proper grammar.

Sorry, I will not conform my car to the way someone else wants it. There are plenty of people on the board with much heavier setups, they simply can get around easier or have no issues.

We can't modify our cars? I thought this was America.

I am sorry about the auto-correction on my iPhone... my fault for not proof reading.

I have to laugh, now that you have a stock tune in and non malfunctioning parts, your car is fine. So it is funny when you take care of things how they will pass!

Other people with 'heavier' setups can pass just fine cause unlike you they took responsibility and did prevention up front before going in to just be failed and blame the EPA. Catalyst and O2mon were part of the original OBD legislation in 1996.

Please read the following and stop being so ignorant.

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/obdprog/section1968_2_clean2013.pdf

[RF Overlord]

Just wondering if you've gotten this sorted out yet?

yes.

Maybe it's time for this thread to be over.

[vegasmarauder]

5 Marauders, 4 all stock and all on still running original cats.

2003- 240,000 miles, stock, passes each year
2003- 110,000 miles, stock, passes each year
2003- 105,000 miles, stock, passes each year
2004- 156,000 miles, stock, passes each year

2003- 136,000 miles, Some mods, passes each year.

All cars get new IAC valves, EGR valves, plugs and O2 sensors every 100,000 miles wether any codes or not. All start right up and idle smooth. 4 get 20-21 MPG average city/highway consistently.

Any misfires or other probelms get corrected within a few days of happening. And we still have time to enjoy a full life beating the piso out of them.

[Joe Walsh]

Maybe it's time for this thread to be over.

No NO!

Not Yet!!!......:shake:

Let this thing play out.....too much fun & fail here.

[Bigdogjim]

Maybe it's time for this thread to be over.


TV sucks so please let this run for a while;)

[Limited360]

TV sucks so please let this run for a while;)


+1 on this!!! :).

Anyone read 1968.2? Or everyone pass out who tried? I typically take multiple breaks to the engine dyno's when I read it to stay awake!


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[RacerX]

Mustard Snack!!! See UD! :D

[Mr. Man]

Maybe it's time for this thread to be over.
Let it go til it's over. I'm under the impression Dom's car still has not passed inspection, unless I missed that post.

Perhaps the name calling can be addressed in PM's to said members who do so as a fair warning but at this point I want to know if his car ultimately passes or he gives up and drives it into lake Michigan.

It's examples like Doms saga that inform the rest of us that are not experts in environmental law that changes in the system have occured and that our cars that have passes state muster for years may now fail without warning because the inspection criteria/mechanisms have changed.

[Limited360]

Let it go til it's over. I'm under the impression Dom's car still has not passed inspection, unless I missed that post.

Perhaps the name calling can be addressed in PM's to said members who do so as a fair warning but at this point I want to know if his car ultimately passes or he gives up and drives it into lake Michigan.

Living in NJ we have to deal with all the Nazi crap that California EPA laws come up with too, so it's nice to find out what they are looking for. :)

I take offense to your Nazi comment. Highly in appropriate in my eyes. I don't think protecting the environment should be compared to a group of people who mass murdered. Maybe an admin should address this reference in a PM.

Just find it very annoying to blame the EPA / CARB for this. They are simply enforcing the law as it was written. I am sorry they came up with a more efficient way of monitoring exhaust emissions. OBDII is simply the check to make sure the car is not emitting more than 1.5x the base emissions standard. It is not just some simple technology to turn on a check engine light when a part is bad. It has come far enough that they no longer need the sniffers and can rely on the manufactures to produce a sound monitor for detection of failed components that directly impact tailpipe emissions.

If you don't like the laws don't live there. No law has changed, the car has always been required to be OBDII compliant. Don't be mad because the testing agency has gotten smarter and are on to you.

The next stage is to verify the car is running the correct CVN (Calibration Verification Number). Basically if anything is changed from what was released and certified for a specific vehicle, the CVN will change. If it does not match one in their system provided by the vehicles manufacture, you do not pass. This will be step one, the step two is monitor readiness. Third step is rate based. If you have a very low number in your denominator they will reject you as well as they know you just reset your system to come in and pass.

With the new LEVIII standards going into production now, the OBD system is even more stringent and rate based is being look at more in depth by CARB / EPA.

With all that said I live in Detroit, I have no cats on my car, I have a custom cal and there is a reason I do not live in a CARB compliant state / area. Hell even my parking lot rotter (I drive Manufacture plate cars, currently a *****box China Cherokee) is modified with a custom cal. Perks of living here I suppose. My friend whom lives in New Mexico still registers his cars from Michigan to avoid the hassle.

I have had conversation with Mike McCarthy (head guy at CARB for many years for OBD). He laughs as his neighbor spends a week to put his car back to stock form every time he needs to get his certification. The guy will then spend the next week bolting everything back on to the car. He has seen people do complete powertrain swaps even to get passed. At the end of the day it is on the owner to ensure they are compliant to the laws.



****End Rant**** :beatnik::beatnik::beatnik:

[Mr. Man]

I take offense to your Nazi comment. Highly in appropriate in my eyes. I don't think protecting the environment should be compared to a group of people who mass murdered. Maybe an admin should address this reference in a PM.

Just find it very annoying to blame the EPA / CARB for this. They are simply enforcing the law as it was written. I am sorry they came up with a more efficient way of monitoring exhaust emissions. OBDII is simply the check to make sure the car is not emitting more than 1.5x the base emissions standard. It is not just some simple technology to turn on a check engine light when a part is bad. It has come far enough that they no longer need the sniffers and can rely on the manufactures to produce a sound monitor for detection of failed components that directly impact tailpipe emissions.

If you don't like the laws don't live there. No law has changed, the car has always been required to be OBDII compliant. Don't be mad because the testing agency has gotten smarter and are on to you.

The next stage is to verify the car is running the correct CVN (Calibration Verification Number). Basically if anything is changed from what was released and certified for a specific vehicle, the CVN will change. If it does not match one in their system provided by the vehicles manufacture, you do not pass. This will be step one, the step two is monitor readiness. Third step is rate based. If you have a very low number in your denominator they will reject you as well as they know you just reset your system to come in and pass.

With the new LEVIII standards going into production now, the OBD system is even more stringent and rate based is being look at more in depth by CARB / EPA.

With all that said I live in Detroit, I have no cats on my car, I have a custom cal and there is a reason I do not live in a CARB compliant state / area. Hell even my parking lot rotter (I drive Manufacture plate cars, currently a *****box China Cherokee) is modified with a custom cal. Perks of living here I suppose. My friend whom lives in New Mexico still registers his cars from Michigan to avoid the hassle.

I have had conversation with Mike McCarthy (head guy at CARB for many years for OBD). He laughs as his neighbor spends a week to put his car back to stock form every time he needs to get his certification. The guy will then spend the next week bolting everything back on to the car. He has seen people do complete powertrain swaps even to get passed. At the end of the day it is on the owner to ensure they are compliant to the laws.



****End Rant**** :beatnik::beatnik::beatnik:I'm sorry I ruffled your feathers and have deleted the reference.

Your arguements are valid. I suppose if I want to run my car with all sorts of mods I need to live in a state that doesn't have any rules about doing so.

That also means for those of us that do live in states that comply with the strictest of CARB rules we need to only buy Mustangs and other high volume production cars where aftermarket manufacturers are more likely to make back the huge layout in costs they make trying to develop parts that will pass muster with CARB. If we buy low batch number cars like the Marauder we basically stay stock or we go through the hassle of returning the car to stock for the test and then put the aftermarket parts or in my case tune back in. What gets upsetting to folks is that for years their cars pass then all of a sudden they fail and it's frustrating. To those of you who live in states that don't care what you do to your car it's :violin: to those of us that do. No harm, no foul but it's nice to be able to vent on a car site and get a bit of sympathy from the peanut gallery. :)

[Limited360]

I'm sorry I ruffled your feathers and have deleted the reference.

Your arguements are valid. I suppose if I want to run my car with all sorts of mods I need to live in a state that doesn't have any rules about doing so.

That also means for those of us that do live in states that comply with the strictest of CARB rules we need to only buy Mustangs and other high volume production cars where aftermarket manufacturers are more likely to make back the huge layout in costs they make trying to develop parts that will pass muster with CARB. If we buy low batch number cars like the Marauder we basically stay stock or we go through the hassle of returning the car to stock for the test and then put the aftermarket parts or in my case tune back in. What gets upsetting to folks is that for years their cars pass then all of a sudden they fail and it's frustrating. To those of you who live in states that don't care what you do to your car it's :violin: to those of us that do. No harm, no foul but it's nice to be able to vent on a car site and get a bit of sympathy from the peanut gallery. :)

:banana2: Perfect post and it is great to vent!

Your point of view is spot on though when it comes to CARB compliant parts. It is a shame in my eyes you can not mod the car with non CARB compliant parts. The amount of effort and money it takes to get a Cold Air Intake CARB compliant is silly! Imagine the effort to ensure a blower setup meets their guidelines and restrictions!

[justbob]

I take offense to your Nazi comment. Highly in appropriate in my eyes. I don't think protecting the environment should be compared to a group of people who mass murdered. Maybe an admin should address this reference in a PM.



Just find it very annoying to blame the EPA / CARB for this. They are simply enforcing the law as it was written. I am sorry they came up with a more efficient way of monitoring exhaust emissions. OBDII is simply the check to make sure the car is not emitting more than 1.5x the base emissions standard. It is not just some simple technology to turn on a check engine light when a part is bad. It has come far enough that they no longer need the sniffers and can rely on the manufactures to produce a sound monitor for detection of failed components that directly impact tailpipe emissions.



If you don't like the laws don't live there. No law has changed, the car has always been required to be OBDII compliant. Don't be mad because the testing agency has gotten smarter and are on to you.



The next stage is to verify the car is running the correct CVN (Calibration Verification Number). Basically if anything is changed from what was released and certified for a specific vehicle, the CVN will change. If it does not match one in their system provided by the vehicles manufacture, you do not pass. This will be step one, the step two is monitor readiness. Third step is rate based. If you have a very low number in your denominator they will reject you as well as they know you just reset your system to come in and pass.



With the new LEVIII standards going into production now, the OBD system is even more stringent and rate based is being look at more in depth by CARB / EPA.



With all that said I live in Detroit, I have no cats on my car, I have a custom cal and there is a reason I do not live in a CARB compliant state / area. Hell even my parking lot rotter (I drive Manufacture plate cars, currently a *****box China Cherokee) is modified with a custom cal. Perks of living here I suppose. My friend whom lives in New Mexico still registers his cars from Michigan to avoid the hassle.



I have had conversation with Mike McCarthy (head guy at CARB for many years for OBD). He laughs as his neighbor spends a week to put his car back to stock form every time he needs to get his certification. The guy will then spend the next week bolting everything back on to the car. He has seen people do complete powertrain swaps even to get passed. At the end of the day it is on the owner to ensure they are compliant to the laws.







****End Rant**** :beatnik::beatnik::beatnik:

So take offense then. Your preaching on a car site...

HELLO




Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
"Since 2004"

[Bigdogjim]

I want to know if his car ultimately passes or he gives up and drives it into lake Michigan.


I am calling the EPA I am pretty sure there is some law against do that :laugh:

[Limited360]

So take offense then. Your preaching on a car site...

HELLO




Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
"Since 2004"


Um I was merely pointing an insult of ones intellect versus the comparison to that of a mass murderer isn't the best.

Understood on preaching indeed. Preaching the good word of all the tree huggers whom love CARB and the EPA.


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[Bigdogjim]

You know at the end of day it's all good!

I just wish New Jersey would leave me alone about the front plate:maad:

[Spectragod]

Other people with 'heavier' setups can pass just fine cause unlike you they took responsibility and did prevention up front before going in to just be failed and blame the EPA.

I take offense to that........:D, my car is heavy, so I "HAD" to step up the power, it's not all my fault, it's mostly Jerry's fault anyhow.....;)

[Limited360]

I take offense to that........:D, my car is heavy, so I "HAD" to step up the power, it's not all my fault, it's mostly Jerry's fault anyhow.....;)

Needed to step up the power so Jerry didn't leave ya in the dust? Or we talking about stepping up the hoarding of parts? :banana2:

[Spectragod]

Needed to step up the power so Jerry didn't leave ya in the dust? Or we talking about stepping up the hoarding of parts? :banana2:

Neither, had to "step up" to even be close to the new GT500's, as far as Jerry, I blame him for everything, he's my scapegoat when I order parts, according to my wife.....:rolleyes:

But hey........at least I finished my bathroom remodel........:P :D

[lji372]

Neither, had to "step up" to even be close to the new GT500's, as far as Jerry, I blame him for everything, he's my scapegoat when I order parts, according to my wife.....:rolleyes:

But hey........at least I finished my bathroom remodel........:P :D

:eek:

:depress:

:mad2:


:nocomm:

:wave:

[Limited360]

Neither, had to "step up" to even be close to the new GT500's, as far as Jerry, I blame him for everything, he's my scapegoat when I order parts, according to my wife.....:rolleyes:

But hey........at least I finished my bathroom remodel........:P :D


You didn't hear? He hooked up the marauder logo light to the toilet handle... Bathroom remodel done!


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[lji372]

You didn't hear? He hooked up the marauder logo light to the toilet handle... Bathroom remodel done!


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that ^^^^^^^^^^ right there FTMFW :banana2:

[Zack]

You didn't hear? He hooked up the marauder logo light to the toilet handle... Bathroom remodel done!


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Best thing I've read on the internet all week.

[Spectragod]

that ^^^^^^^^^^ right there FTMFW :banana2:

You should do it........ then we can fight over all your stuff in the divorce sale..........:P

[lji372]

You should do it........ then we can fight over all your stuff in the divorce sale..........:P


nice:shake:





Best thing I've read on the internet all week.

who let you back anyway :lol:


I LOVE THIS BAR (we are still allowed to use the word bar right) :run:

[Limited360]

Turned into an even better thread.... Not sure how!


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[Bigdogjim]

Let me think on this? Get the wife bathroom remodel finished then buy parts for the others marauders? Just might work.

[Haggis]

I am posting here because I had nothing better to do at work.

Post count +1

:bunny3:

[whitey]

A cockroach can live several weeks with its head cut off, it dies from starvation!



Unlike this thread.

Its nine days... not weeks :P

[J-MAN]

Its nine days... not weeks :P

But, but, I read it on the internet! :eek:

[Pat]

After I test drove the Marauder at the dealership and read about the power deficiency, I knew some aftermarket parts/tune would be in order. So I checked my states emission testing laws and found that only a safety check was required for my area. Other areas needed an emissions/OBD-1/2 check.

I got burned on an old Ford Falcon when I took off all the emissions hardware and found out that I had to put it all back on if I wanted to pass emissions in the state I live in at the time. I sold the car instead. I vowed never again.

We have state laws about exhaust, it can't be modified, so mine isn't. They don't really check but they might/could. The power gained is not worth the risk.

[whitey]

But, but, I read it on the internet! :eek:

I have a book with 600 useless facts. :D

Did you know: the only visible human muscle is the tongue? Or the largest cell in the human body is the female egg? Or that Thomas Edison did not invent the light bulb?, what he did was modify the light bulb and patent it. How about the only known month to not have a full moon is February 1865?

[J-MAN]

I have a book with 600 useless facts. :D

Did you know: the only visible human muscle is the tongue? Or the largest cell in the human body is the female egg? Or that Thomas Edison did not invent the light bulb?, what he did was modify the light bulb and patent it. How about the only known month to not have a full moon is February 1865?

I wonder if bunny remembers that?

[lji372]

Let me think on this? Get the wife bathroom remodel finished then buy parts for the others marauders? Just might work.

Your thinking is backwards


Parts then bathroom :banana2:


:D

[Pat]

Your thinking is backwards
Parts then bathroom :banana2:
:D


Your not married are you?

[lji372]

Your not married are youe?

Yes sir!

22yrs and counting to the right one :banana2:

[Spectragod]

Your not married are you?

Not for much longer......:rofl::rofl:

[Limited360]

I have a book with 600 useless facts. :D

Did you know: the only visible human muscle is the tongue? Or the largest cell in the human body is the female egg? Or that Thomas Edison did not invent the light bulb?, what he did was modify the light bulb and patent it. How about the only known month to not have a full moon is February 1865?

He who has the most useless information typically wins.

I vote you high on the list with that book ;)

[Limited360]

Not for much longer......:rofl::rofl:

I am not sure about that. She loved the radio I put in for him... And I know she appreciates the safety I provided by adding bright headlamps....

Perspective? :beer:

[Joe Walsh]

I have a book with 600 useless facts. :D

Did you know: the only visible human muscle is the tongue?

That's not what the ladies tell me!......:eek:

ahem....carry on....

with this useless.....

yet.....

entertaining

thread.

[Spectragod]

I am not sure about that. She loved the radio I put in for him... And I know she appreciates the safety I provided by adding bright headlamps....

Perspective? :beer:

She loves it because she knows it will all be hers, just sayin':D

[Limited360]

She loves it because she knows it will all be hers, just sayin':D

I stand corrected indeed!!!

[ctrlraven]

That's not what the ladies tell me!......:eek:

ahem....carry on....

with this useless.....

yet.....

entertaining

thread.
Dare you to stick out that "other" muscle at a cop and see what happens. :lol:

[Bigdogjim]

Well to say that this thread is high jacked is an understatement :lol:

What was the topic anyway?

[Joe Walsh]

Dare you to stick out that "other" muscle at a cop and see what happens. :lol:

I can't!!!

What do you think I steer the car with?............:P

[whitey]

I can't!!!

What do you think I steer the car with?............:P

Thatsss sssooo hawt!:lovies2:

[lji372]

I can't!!!

What do you think I steer the car with?............:P

Pics or it didn't happen :D

[Zack]

I too, would be interested in pics.

[ctrlraven]

A pirate walks into a bar with a ship's steering wheel hanging from his pee-ness
The bartender says, "Um, do you know you have a ship's wheel hanging from pee-ness?"
The pirate says, "Yarrr, it drives me nuts!"

[Joe Walsh]

LOL.....Garsh....it's tough to be a pirate!


I'll take a video of me 'operating' the cruise control and the radio controls on the steering wheel while keeping both hands on my cell phone.....errrr.....I mean on the rim of the steering wheel!

[lji372]

A pirate walks into a bar with a ship's steering wheel hanging from his pee-ness
The bartender says, "Um, do you know you have a ship's wheel hanging from pee-ness?"
The pirate says, "Yarrr, it drives me nuts!"

:laugh:


IBTL :run:

[massacre]

That joke is better told in person I had a 6'10 scrawny bald guy with a beard tell it to me.
Kinda reminds me of:
Oh yeah my buddy is dating a midget.
Wow, really?
Yeah, he's nuts over her.

[IwantmyMMnow!]

Ok...why not....

A pirate asks his date, "have you ever played the pirate game before?".

She says, "no, how do you play?"

The pirate replies, "Arrrr, bend over and let me bury me treasure.".

ba-dum-chh :snare: :bricks:

[massacre]

^^^ better with real drum kit

[whitey]

Ctrlraven : nice!

Heres one, guy drives in to get his emissions tested....oh wait, nevermind, you guys already heard it....:P

[Joe Walsh]

................:laugh:....... .

Heres one, guy drives in to get his emissions tested....oh wait, nevermind, you guys already heard it....:P


I heard that joke differently:

Guy is on his 4th engine and drives in to get his emissions tested....
Emissions Test guy says: Hey buddy...haven't I seen you before??.....

[massacre]

I heard that joke differently:

Guy is on his 4th engine and drives in to get his emissions tested....
Emissions Test guy says: Hey buddy...haven't I seen you before??.....

/thread........

[Mebot]

ba-dum-chh :snare: :bricks:


^^^ better with real drum kit

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/26/apabeqe9.jpg

[IwantmyMMnow!]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/26/apabeqe9.jpg

I must have a different sized cymbal, because mine goes 'chh'.....:D

[jwibbity]

That's more of a high hat noise.......

[Bigdogjim]

Will we ever get back on topic?

[lji372]

Will we ever get back on topic?

Oh yeah, the DEA suck :D

[Spectragod]

This whole thing reminds me of the time my lugnuts were out of balance

[massacre]

I just saw a commercial for beggin strips party poppers.
Wowzers.

[Joe Walsh]

Will we ever get back on topic?

Now where's the fun in that?



OK...OK

Speaking of emissions.....I made a '15 bean and kale soup' in the crockpot yesterday.....

Let's just say that it had more effect on me than when I eat a 1/2 pound of Kimchi!!

[whitey]

I just saw a commercial for beggin strips party poppers.
Wowzers.

Wow, that is ridiculous.

[Bigdogjim]

Now where's the fun in that?



OK...OK

Speaking of emissions.....I made a '15 bean and kale soup' in the crockpot yesterday.....

Let's just say that it had more effect on me than when I eat a 1/2 pound of Kimchi!!

Helping out with the natural gas production?

[Haggis]

:nocomm: :sing: :surprise:

[RF Overlord]

Will we ever get back on topic?Dominick said he was all set days ago, so this thread has definitely outlived it's original purpose.

We have a Joke of the Day thread in the Lounge if anyone wants to continue.