Evaporator not ready = fail emissions???

[Motorhead350]

I am confused. I looked up what this is and I suppose it's in relation to the AC. My AC works fine and all tunes for getting the car to pass the EPA have turned the evaporator on. I have attached my printouts from the testing station before a new tune and yesterday's results.

What do I look for? I am confused and livid.

New tune going in later, but if that fails... I do not know what to do.

[massacre]

You need to have more monitors ready. Too many monitors not ready.

[Motorhead350]

You need to have more monitors ready. Too many monitors not ready.

No kidding. I am talking about the evaporator. If you read the message the first post said this WAS BEFORE a new tune. Everything is on except the evaporator and converters. 1 more item needs to go on.

How do I deal with the evaporator?

[gdsqdcr]

The evap system is fuel related, not AC. :confused: The Evap system addresses your fuel vapors in the system ...

...

[jimbok1951]

No kidding. I am talking about the evaporator. If you read the message the first post said this WAS BEFORE a new tune

Common courtesy is when you ask for help you don't slam or be sarcastic with others. Massacre maybe did not respond exactly what you wanted to hear but he responded to your issue in a positive way. Try looking things up yourself for a change, then after you have some idea what you are talking about, then ask questions. I suggest removing all refrigerant, A/C compressor and evaporator, that should take care of the evaporator issue. Good luck.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/evaporative-emission-control-system.htm

[Limited360]

I am confused. I looked up what this is and I suppose it's in relation to the AC. My AC works fine and all tunes for getting the car to pass the EPA have turned the evaporator on. I have attached my printouts from the testing station before a new tune and yesterday's results.



What do I look for? I am confused and livid.



New tune going in later, but if that fails... I do not know what to do.


Do you not know how to use google? Ford OBD system 2003. Search it. Will explain how this OBD monitor operates.

No wonder you keep getting wise a$$ remarks...

AC system.. Haha

It may be to cold for the evaporative emissions monitor to run FYI. You may be hosed on that till it's warmer / at least above freezing. If I recall the evap system runs on this car after engine shuts off. I think it's an EONV (engine off natural vaccum) leak check. This verifies your evaporative system does have any leaks in fuel tank / evap canister / purge line to engine

Spelling is awesome on that form too!


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[justbob]

Dom, you are allowed to be "not ready" on Evap when the temps aren't between 50* and 100* BUT it can not say "not supported."

Not supported = turned off
Not ready = turned on but test incomplete (too cold to self test)

As for the cat monitor, it has not finished its test, therefor it will fail you till it says "supported"




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Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
"Since 2004"

[larryo340]

To help set evap fuel tank should be between 1/4 and 3/4, and parked for at least eight hours before you try another drive cycle. This is what we do with the cabs at work inorder to set the evap monitor, and it works more often than not.

[Motorhead350]

Thanks guys. I had no idea that weather is a factor.

[EMAS]

Yes the Evap monitor will not run when the temp is too low or too high but you can "bypass" it.

Look here for the proper drive cycle and how to "bypass" the Evap as well as ensure that the Cat monitor runs. Note the Evap will only run if the fuel level is between 15 and 85% and you need to drive in a manner that prevents the fuel from sloshing around too much. http://www.obdii.com/drivecycleford.html

[Zack]

You need a stone stock bmdo tune with 4:10 gears as the only change. Not rocket science

[Motorhead350]

Actually, I was told I need to reset the converters to kick on. One item to go.

So much fun. The EPA has wasted hours, $$$ and.... yeah who cares.

[Zack]

You haven't paid attention to anything in 10 years.
Blame yourself

[Motorhead350]

You haven't paid attention to anything in 10 years.
Blame yourself

lol if I wrote a book on everything you didn't know, a grown man would get a hernia trying to lift the book up.

[J-MAN]

lol if I wrote a book on everything you didn't know, a grown man would get a hernia trying to lift the book up.


ATTENTION EVERYONE:

When your offering to help anyone with their seemingly daily problems keep in mind "No good deed goes unpunished". Blame your failures on others or post it on Craigslist.

[larryo340]

New tune going in later, but if that fails... I do not know what to do.

As Zack posted stock tune must be uploaded inorder to turn monitors on. I just did my NYS inspection a couple weeks ago, and first tried it with my Lidio tune and of failed due to it not seeing the monitors. I knew it would fail, but wanted to try just for the heck of it .....it didn't matter because it was at my shop :cool: Returned PCM to stock and performed a drive cycle and reinspected, and guess what......it passed.

[yjmud]

:fishslap:
This Thread Is So Full Of Fail
We Need A Face Palm Icon now

[Zack]

Nevermind 890

[Bigdogjim]

So much fun. The EPA has wasted hours, $$$ and.... yeah who cares.

Your marauder was fine when you first got years ago. This rant about the EPA and wasted hours & dollars is not going to help get to your goal of passing inspection. Just undo what ever you did over the years and get legal. And if you think your home State is pain in the azz then hell don't even think of moving to the Garden State:P

When I first moved to NJ 7+ years ago I used to get pulled over once a week for tint, exhaust, front plate or anything else they could think of. Lucky for me I never got a ticket just tons of questions:confused:

[massacre]

I wasn't offended by Dom's response because, well, it's Dom lol.

MA is really tough on emissions too so I understand your situation. If your EVAP system is functioning properly, then like Zack said you need the tune to reflect that. If the EVAP system is not functioning properly, then even the tune may not work. I just went through this last year when MA changed the law to only one monitor allowed unsupported.
All my buddies with modded Mustangs suddenly couldn't get inspection stickers, so they called on me for help. On most of the cars, a tune was all they needed. But on a couple cars, the tune was fine but some of the systems (EGR, DPFE, EVAP, etc.) were neglected so they weren't registering as supported even though the tune was correct. Once the systems were restored to proper working order, they passed fine with the tune.
It could be as simple as an EVAP solenoid, or a cracked or broken vacuum hose, but if the tune is fine and the system itself is fubar'd it might still come up unsupported.

-just my .02

[Limited360]

Actually, I was told I need to reset the converters to kick on. One item to go.

So much fun. The EPA has wasted hours, $$$ and.... yeah who cares.


Ignorance. It's wonderful. Reset the converters? That's a new one...


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[gdsqdcr]

Wait BDJ, are you suggesting that Dom is in this position because of something he did!? You are saying he should take responsibility for his actions and follow the laws .... That is a MINDBLOWING concept!


Limited, you need to rest your converter every time you add blinker fluid. Didn't you know that?

[justbob]

Ignorance. It's wonderful. Reset the converters? That's a new one...


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He meant to say finish cat drive cycle. He is currently displaying no codes and all other monitors are done excluding evap, but that shouldn't matter as it is turned on as well.


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[larryo340]

In New York a car newer than 2000 (I think?)passes emissions with one incomplete monitor. My car doesn't like to clear evap for some reason, but clears the cat monitor fast...go figure.

Is it different where he lives?

[Zack]

He still has not told us if a stock tune is in the car or not. Sounds like the rear o2s may be off

[larryo340]

He still has not told us if a stock tune is in the car or not. Sounds like the rear o2s may be off

It seems awfully difficult to get a straight answer from him :shake:

[RF Overlord]

Dom, this is from the Ford 2003 OBD System Operation manual...sorry the formatting didn't copy

Entry condition Minimum Maximum
Engine off (soak) time 6 hours
Time since engine start-up 330 seconds 1800 seconds
Intake Air Temp 40 oF 90 - 100 oF
BARO (<8,000 ft altitude) 22.0 “ Hg
Engine Load 20% 70%
Vehicle Speed 40 mph 80 mph
Purge Dutycycle 75% 100%
Fuel Fill Level 15% 85%
Fuel Tank Pressure Range - 17 H2O 1.5 H2O

The important parts are that the IAT must be above 40°, the vehicle speed must be between 40 and 80 MPH, and the fuel level must be between 15% and 85%, and the engine has to be stopped for at least 6 hours for the test to run.

This link (http://www.obdii.com/drivecycleford.html) gives the Ford-recommended drive-cycle procedure to get all the I/M monitors to "ready".

[Bigdogjim]

Best thing I can recommend to Dom is to find one garage to work on the car and only one. That way they will get to know the car:)

[Zack]

Best thing I can recommend to Dom is to find one garage to work on the car and only one. That way they will get to know the car:)

That costs money

[Bigdogjim]

That costs money

Life cost money:P

If money is an issue then maybe a pirus would help out?

http://www.toyota.com/content/common/img/jellies/small/2013/priusc/base.png:burnout:

[Motorhead350]

Best thing I can recommend to Dom is to find one garage to work on the car and only one. That way they will get to know the car:)

That garage shut it's door. Plus the operator has more mood swings than my wife during what I call "Shark Week."

There is a Procedure to getting the converter monitor back on.

Yes I looked the I info before I posted. I cannot stress enough the frustration.

Yes it's all my fault. Upon the last engine swap I assumed everything was fine. Little did I know the response would be "This is all your fault." Followed by no responses. Yes it's all my fault for putting my trust into someone who doesn't give a hoot.

My fault for buying a tuner that I was told was fully functional.

It's all my fault for making Poor decisions on who should work on the car and who gets my money. Nearly all have resulted in the finger being pointed at me by these people.

I love people.

The car is back to stock BTW Jim. Nothing, but bolt ons. Life is too short to be fully stock.

[Joe Walsh]

Dom,
It's time to admit defeat and buy a reliable car....

I suggest this little gem that I just had a chance to check out yesterday at the Baltimore Auto Show.

It's called a Scion IQ:

Sorry for the crappy picture quality....I think that my camera was vomiting while taking the picture...

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae326/JoeJWalsh/BaltimoreAutoShow1_zpsc696c7e1 .jpg (http://s984.photobucket.com/user/JoeJWalsh/media/BaltimoreAutoShow1_zpsc696c7e1 .jpg.html)

It fit me like a cheap suit....all I needed was a set of suspenders to wear it!

I give it 2 thumbs up!

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae326/JoeJWalsh/BaltimoreAutoshow2jpg_zps8f609 b7b.jpg (http://s984.photobucket.com/user/JoeJWalsh/media/BaltimoreAutoshow2jpg_zps8f609 b7b.jpg.html)

It's practical, reliable and will get wayyyy better gas mileage than your Marauder....an added benefit is that it will pass emissions tests!

[Motorhead350]

Wanna buy it for me?

The Marauder is dependable and fully functional. There is nothing wrong with it. No need for another car. It's the EPA saying "turn this on. No we do not care that the car works fine. We are not paid to think, only to tell you what to do."

[Joe Walsh]

Wanna buy it for me?

The Marauder is dependable and fully functional. There is nothing wrong with it. No need for another car. It's the EPA saying "turn this on. No we do not care that the car works fine. We are not paid to think, only to tell you what to do."

.....:shake:........Sorry, I'll never spend even a penny to buy a Scion/Toyota nor a Honda.

[Limited360]

Wanna buy it for me?

The Marauder is dependable and fully functional. There is nothing wrong with it. No need for another car. It's the EPA saying "turn this on. No we do not care that the car works fine. We are not paid to think, only to tell you what to do."



FYI what proof do you have the cats are fine if the monitor doesn't function. Do tell...



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[Motorhead350]

The proof is the fact they are there. What proof do you have to have a valid argument? None. You have not physically looked at the car, yet feel as though you are entitled to judgement.

I am trying to post the link on how to reset, but I do not know how to on my new phone yet.

Google Ford Cat Reset. You will find your "proof" that there is a way to turn this junk on.

[gdsqdcr]

Because they are there does not mean they are fine. Just saying.

[Limited360]

Because they are there does not mean they are fine. Just saying.


Thank you.



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[Limited360]

The proof is the fact they are there. What proof do you have to have a valid argument? None. You have not physically looked at the car, yet feel as though you are entitled to judgement.



I am trying to post the link on how to reset, but I do not know how to on my new phone yet.



Google Ford Cat Reset. You will find your "proof" that there is a way to turn this junk on.


I calibrate this junk for a living. So I take offense by your lack of knowledge and using your jump to conclusions mat. OBD II is there to reduce global vehicle emissions over the life of the vehicle. It's not junk, sorry.

EPA could measure your emissions directly to validate if the catalyst is functional, however that is not how it's done anymore in any states. Everyone has switched over to the simple OBD diagnostic ready check. Which for 99% of the population it works flawlessly.

There is no reset to turn these on directly, you need to drive a specific cycle with specific conditions as described above. Go for a drive on the highway for 30 minutes @55mph at steady state and see how that works.

The link provided above is what you want to read to get the knowledge so people won't give you ****. Seems like others that are on here that had issues came to resolutions by following these basic guidelines in the link above.

I wish ya best of luck... This isn't the EPA's fault in anyway.


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[Limited360]

Btw it says check codes... What codes are present? Any?


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[Motorhead350]

It means there are no codes.

It IS the EPA fault because they are the ones putting a restriction on my registration.

Yes, there is a way to drive to get this back on as you stated, not a way to turn them on with a computer. Sorry if I was not clear, but we are on the same page.

The car needs to go to a shop to have Proof that it's ready. Pretty pathetic. I need a printout. The shop that used to do that for me no longer exists.

I appreciate the advice and tough love, but one thing you guys do not get is I am doing what I have been told by you guys and the EPA, spent $$$ and still no positive results.

One person could have done something but decided he was not interested in my money. It could have made this smooth as glass, but nope.

Hello misery and online stone throwers.

[Limited360]

It means there are no codes.

It IS the EPA fault because they are the ones putting a restriction on my registration.

Yes, there is a way to drive to get this back on as you stated, not a way to turn them on with a computer. Sorry if I was not clear, but we are on the same page.

The car needs to go to a shop to have Proof that it's ready. Pretty pathetic. I need a printout. The shop that used to do that for me no longer exists.

I appreciate the advice and tough love, but one thing you guys do not get is I am doing what I have been told by you guys and the EPA, spent $$$ and still no positive results.

One person could have done something but decided he was not interested in my money. It could have made this smooth as glass, but nope.

Hello misery and online stone throwers.

It is the EPA's job, yours is to keep the car compliant since you live in one of the 17 crappy states that enforces OBD for registration.

What would the shop have done? Faked the document?

I thought the SCT can read if the monitors are enabled and ready, I know with a dongle like this... http://www.amazon.com/Elm327-Wirless-Diagnostic-Reader-Scanner/dp/B00AOIM2CC/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1391997956&sr=8-5&keywords=obd+dongle
and a free app you could tell if they had passed and were ready, also read codes, view O2 signals... all from a mobile phone...

Not arguing just want you to get it sorted and be responsible. Its your car, not the OEM's or EPA's fault.

You could always move to Michigan and not worry about these issues :banana2:

[Motorhead350]

BE responsible???
Muhahaha

You have no idea what I have gone though.

I could list 6 different... no 7 different people that would say "Dom has been to me for this issue." Wait.... OMG I think it's 10. Seriously.

You think I have not tried? Think again. Actually don't think. Accept that your judgement NOT from the full story. When you talk to all people... OK 13 now that I can think of.... then you can judge.

Until then, do not get on me on responsibility.

I have no interest in moving to MI. I would never move because of a car.

[Limited360]

BE responsible???

Muhahaha



You have no idea what I have gone though.



I could list 6 different... no 7 different people that would say "Dom has been to me for this issue." Wait.... OMG I think it's 10. Seriously.



You think I have not tried? Think again. Actually don't think. Accept that your judgement NOT from the full story. When you talk to all people... OK 13 now that I can think of.... then you can judge.



Until then, do not get on me on responsibility.



I have no interest in moving to MI. I would never move because of a car.


Sounds like you spoke to the 13 wrong people!

Wish ya luck man I do.


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[Motorhead350]

Sounds like you spoke to the 13 wrong people!

Wish ya luck man I do.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk so I may sound retarded.

A few got me in the right direction, most have the finger pointing at me after I followed their advice.

Things were easier with engine codes and a blower!

Thanks man.

I would rather be in traffic court than this.

[gdsqdcr]

How is this the EPA's fault? You modified your car ... Illegally as many posts on here by you hav stated. As such, your car no longer meets the EPA requirements that established as law. I see that as your fault.

If you can't see that, ...

I am sure you have helped some people, maybe even more than 13, but that does not negate the fact that your vehicle has a problem and you MUST fix it if you want to keep driving it.

[Motorhead350]

Oh my goodness.... does anyone read anything before a post anymore???

[J-MAN]

:popcorn: Very interesting. :sleepy:

[massacre]

It means there are no codes.

It IS the EPA fault because they are the ones putting a restriction on my registration.

^^^this is true Dom but that is the reality of the situation. And it is is not just for you it is for everyone else in the USA that wants an inspection sticker. This is the reality, yeah we're all in the same boat .
It's just how it is, none of us like it but if we want a sticker that is what we all have to do. Complaining isn't going to help, listening to everyone else who has to go thought it and has already gone through it, might.

-just my .02

[justbob]

Oh my goodness.... does anyone read anything before a post anymore???


Agreed for once.

I had no trouble reading through this, nor did I have an issue retrieving your monitors last night...

Why did I come back here? This site is such a joke at times.




Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
"Since 2004"

[Motorhead350]

Complaining isn't going to help, listening to everyone else who has to go thought it and has already gone through it, might.

-just my .02

Again.....

The thread was started asking why? Not complaining at first.

Is there something in the water these past few days?

[massacre]

I should have never posted in this thread, what a waste of time.

[Mr. Man]

Frankly I've glazed over at what has been said in this thread so I'll just ask, Dom do you have an OEM tune? If YES, is it in your cars computer? If NO why not?

[Motorhead350]

I am getting an OEM tune now... As I sit in a dealership.

Yes this is following Zack's advice.

[Zack]

I am getting an OEM tune now... As I sit in a dealership.

Yes this is following Zack's advice.

This right here is why I do not help you anymore.

I told you to have Marty send you a STOCK tune weeks ago.. WEEKS AGO.

What a waste of everyone's time. :shake:

[Bigdogjim]

^^^Yes but with snow and ice from the Plains to Texas and the whole East Coast (Florida is free for the most part) covered with Old Man Winter what else we going to do...........:lol:

[Motorhead350]

This right here is why I do not help you anymore.

I told you to have Marty send you a STOCK tune weeks ago.. WEEKS AGO.

What a waste of everyone's time. :shake:

Apparently, this did not work.

I went to the dealership and they told me I had to keep driving it like everyone else has been telling me. :mad2: THIS IS NOT WORKING!!!! Here is what I was told.

1. The gas tank must remain at 5/8ths at all times or things will not reset.

2. I must go in stop and go traffic and highway

3. I must get the exhaust really HOT to make things "reset" being that the only thing left to turn back on is the converters...

4. This cold weather is making it near impossible to reset anything.

So, let's say I got the exhaust "hot" on the way home. I am only following the advice given, like I have been for the last few weeks. BTW the man at the dealership that can make everything go back to stock is on vacation for the next two weeks. I know who is is and know the dealer isn't lying to me. I might have to find another place to reset the car or I might even do this on jack stands in the street. The whole 35mph for 3 miles, 45mph for 3 times, 55mph for three miles.... I have no country roads to do with in.

Zack, you weeded me out of your life for more reasons than you care to post. If you want to make things personal and away from solving the original problem like you aways do when you want to go after someone be my guest, but do it an another thread. I am sure we can create more Drama than ALL seasons of All My Children. This is all my fault though. You are always right about everything. You are never wrong. Sometimes, I forget.

[Limited360]

Apparently, this did not work.

I went to the dealership and they told me I had to keep driving it like everyone else has been telling me. :mad2: THIS IS NOT WORKING!!!! Here is what I was told.

1. The gas tank must remain at 5/8ths at all times or things will not reset.

2. I must go in stop and go traffic and highway

3. I must get the exhaust really HOT to make things "reset" being that the only thing left to turn back on is the converters...

4. This cold weather is making it near impossible to reset anything.

So, let's say I got the exhaust "hot" on the way home. I am only following the advice given, like I have been for the last few weeks. BTW the man at the dealership that can make everything go back to stock is on vacation for the next two weeks. I know who is is and know the dealer isn't lying to me. I might have to find another place to reset the car or I might even do this on jack stands in the street. The whole 35mph for 3 miles, 45mph for 3 times, 55mph for three miles.... I have no country roads to do with in.

Zack, you weeded me out of your life for more reasons than you care to post. If you want to make things personal and away from solving the original problem like you aways do when you want to go after someone be my guest, but do it an another thread. I am sure we can create more Drama than ALL seasons of All My Children. This is all my fault though. You are always right about everything. You are never wrong. Sometimes, I forget.

Jack stands? BWAHAHAHA I have heard it all in this thread. This points to a fundamental misunderstanding...

I would love to see someone doing 35mph... 45mph... 55mph... on jack stands and not have something go wrong!!!

Seriously. I have taken data in Chicago, LA, Denver, Phoenix, Ft. Meyers, New Orleans, Detroit, Bemidji, I could keep going... I have never had an issue getting a monitor to complete. Either your cal still has things disabled or your doing something fundamentally wrong. We do not have issues with rate based monitors in Chicago, so don't feed us a line your not in the country! I do this ***** for a living. OBD is simple, meet entry conditions and the monitor runs IF ITS ENABLED IN THE CAL!

Fuel needs to be between 25% and 85% as pointed out previously, not 5/8ths all the time, that is silly.

It sounds like Zack told you weeks ago to contact Marty and he would email you a stock as stock can be cal for your car... I wouldn't go to the dealer with a reflash on the car, they may brick your ECU and send you the bill for a new one FYI!

[yjmud]

the cat system is the one of the fasted monitors to come back on the evap is the hardest that is why you can have two monitors not ready normally evap and ac but I have gotten a truck through that had ac and heated o2 down

[Motorhead350]

At this point, I do not care if I have to pay a dealer. I wanna get this done. I had a tune made with the cats on and they still will not turn back on. EVERYONE is telling me to drive it.

What everyone seems to love to ignore is the fact that I am taking all advice and doing everything.... Tune.... dealer.... shop after shop.


Still NOTHING.

I am listening, I do not think you all are listening to me when I say "I am doing as instructed. NOTHING IS WORKING!!!!"

Every shop is telling me the same... drive the car. Yeah that does not work. I will say this a few times so everyone get's it.



The advice given does not work.

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[Motorhead350]

the cat system is the one of the fasted monitors to come back on the evap is the hardest that is why you can have two monitors not ready normally evap and ac but I have gotten a truck through that had ac and heated o2 down

Maybe I should just have a shop replace an O2s sensor for the sake of a "repair receipt."?

The issue is the O2 sensors are working fine. There is nothing NOT READY about them, unless there is more to it than I understand.

[Limited360]

Maybe I should just have a shop replace an O2s sensor for the sake of a "repair receipt."?

The issue is the O2 sensors are working fine. There is nothing NOT READY about them, unless there is more to it than I understand.

I wouldn't go throwing parts at it yet.

Get a true OEM cal in there... and try again. even if its an OEM with 4.10 gears, that is just a speed correction for the time being to get it accurate for monitor enablement.

[Bigdogjim]

At this point, I do not care if I have to pay a dealer. I wanna get this done. I had a tune made with the cats on and they still will not turn back on. EVERYONE is telling me to drive it.

What everyone seems to love to ignore is the fact that I am taking all advice and doing everything.... Tune.... dealer.... shop after shop.


Still NOTHING.

I am listening, I do not think you all are listening to me when I say "I am doing as instructed. NOTHING IS WORKING!!!!"

Every shop is telling me the same... drive the car. Yeah that does not work. I will say this a few times so everyone get's it.



The advice given does not work.

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In my 12 years as a member of this site I can tell I have never read of member asking for help and not getting an answer that worked. One think that always works on MM.net is good advise:)

[Vortech347]

Put the stock calibration/tune on the car and drive it 50-100 miles. It will pass fine. I ran into this earlier this year.

[RF Overlord]

the cat system is the one of the fasted monitors to come back on the evap is the hardest Maybe on a Ford.

I have a GMC Safari work van (company-owned, so gimme no grief ;) ) that I could get the evap monitor to reset with one drive, but the damn catalyst monitor took forever...honestly, like almost 2 weeks.

[Limited360]

If I drove my car in the winter I would go reset the ECU and drive it till completion and post the data... sorry its on block for the winter though!

[Motorhead350]

Put the stock calibration/tune on the car and drive it 50-100 miles. It will pass fine. I ran into this earlier this year.

This is what I asked them to do and the guy that can do it is out of town.

I guess I will have to go to another dealership. I do not know why they cannot simply do this. It doesn't sound like only "1 in 30 mechanics" can do this. Unless it's my usual ignorance to the situation.

[EMAS]

You do not need to go and get another tune, the last report I saw said that the monitors have not completed which means that they are turned on in the tune otherwise they would say not supported. Having the dealership install a new tune will not make the outside temp get high enough and the fuel level be in the right range for the evap monitor to run. An aftermarket tune will only cause a failure when said tune has some or all of the monitors turned off like your previous tune that gave you unsupported on your first test.

So to get the cat monitor to run drive on the freeway for 20-30 minutes and then get off the freeway and drive surface streets where you stop at stop lights, accelerate at a moderate rate, say 1/2 throttle or so, and drive at various semi steady state speeds 25ish, 35ish, 45ish for a minute or so at each speed, that should make the cat monitor run.

While you are doing that run the fuel level to about 1/2 tank. Then park the car overnight, 8 hr minimum. If the the temps will get to the mid 40's during the day do not start the car until the outside temp is in the mid 40's and has been for an hour or two. If that is not going to happen then drive the car normally for at least 1/2 hour and then park it overnight again an 8hr minimum. The next trip should make the evap bypass and show as completed.

[Motorhead350]

You do not need to go and get another tune, the last report I saw said that the monitors have not completed which means that they are turned on in the tune otherwise they would say not supported. Having the dealership install a new tune will not make the outside temp get high enough and the fuel level be in the right range for the evap monitor to run. An aftermarket tune will only cause a failure when said tune has some or all of the monitors turned off like your previous tune that gave you unsupported on your first test.

So to get the cat monitor to run drive on the freeway for 20-30 minutes and then get off the freeway and drive surface streets where you stop at stop lights, accelerate at a moderate rate, say 1/2 throttle or so, and drive at various semi steady state speeds 25ish, 35ish, 45ish for a minute or so at each speed, that should make the cat monitor run.

While you are doing that run the fuel level to about 1/2 tank. Then park the car overnight, 8 hr minimum. If the the temps will get to the mid 40's during the day do not start the car until the outside temp is in the mid 40's and has been for an hour or two. If that is not going to happen then drive the car normally for at least 1/2 hour and then park it overnight again an 8hr minimum. The next trip should make the evap bypass and show as completed.


Copy that. I am in Chicago, it's not going to warm to the 40s for a while. It's going to be 0 to 28 till at least friday and my 3rd permit expires thursday. I will do as instructed, go back to the dealer and see what they say. If they say weather is a factor (like I am being told by multiple sources) I will tell this to the emissions, but I think they will say "Tough $h1#" even if nothing can be done until temps rise. Maybe I can get the dealer to print something out saying this... I don't know. I am out of ideas after this.

[Joe Walsh]

Copy that. I am in Chicago, it's not going to warm to the 40s for a while. It's going to be 0 to 28 till at least friday and my 3rd permit expires thursday. I will do as instructed, go back to the dealer and see what they say. If they say weather is a factor (like I am being told by multiple sources) I will tell this to the emissions, but I think they will say "Tough $h1#" even if nothing can be done until temps rise.
Maybe I can get the dealer to print something out saying this... I don't know. I am out of ideas after this.

That's exactly what you need to do.
If it is too cold for the fuel evaporative system to work/reset, then the dealer's tech should be able to confirm this in writing....otherwise the emissions test facility personnel will tell you 'tough taffy'.

[EMAS]

Copy that. I am in Chicago, it's not going to warm to the 40s for a while. It's going to be 0 to 28 till at least friday and my 3rd permit expires thursday. I will do as instructed, go back to the dealer and see what they say. If they say weather is a factor (like I am being told by multiple sources) I will tell this to the emissions, but I think they will say "Tough $h1#" even if nothing can be done until temps rise. Maybe I can get the dealer to print something out saying this... I don't know. I am out of ideas after this.

As I mentioned while it won't run if the temps are too low (or altitude too high) it will bypass and show as completed if you do as I indicated and drive it through the cycle a second time with the fuel level condition met after an 8hr cold soak.

There are numerous places on the net, like the one I directed you to a couple of pages ago, that lists the conditions to run the Evap monitor and the procedure to bypass it and make it show as completed.

[massacre]

Just crush your car or sell it.
Buy a '95 or older car and never worry about emissions again.

[Bigdogjim]

Just crush your car or sell it.
Buy a '95 or older car and never worry about emissions again.
In New Jersey they check.:mad2: I have a '95 F-150 so far so good ;)

[massacre]

In my state OBD-I is safety only, they do a visual check only

[Motorhead350]

I crushed my Marauder and bought a car good on gas today.

What do you all think?

[J-MAN]

It suits your personality. :depress:

[Vortech347]

This is what I asked them to do and the guy that can do it is out of town.

I guess I will have to go to another dealership. I do not know why they cannot simply do this. It doesn't sound like only "1 in 30 mechanics" can do this. Unless it's my usual ignorance to the situation.

Use your hand held and put the factory tune back on it. You don't need anyone else to do it for you.

[Vortech347]

You do not need to go and get another tune, the last report I saw said that the monitors have not completed which means that they are turned on in the tune otherwise they would say not supported. Having the dealership install a new tune will not make the outside temp get high enough and the fuel level be in the right range for the evap monitor to run. An aftermarket tune will only cause a failure when said tune has some or all of the monitors turned off like your previous tune that gave you unsupported on your first test.

So to get the cat monitor to run drive on the freeway for 20-30 minutes and then get off the freeway and drive surface streets where you stop at stop lights, accelerate at a moderate rate, say 1/2 throttle or so, and drive at various semi steady state speeds 25ish, 35ish, 45ish for a minute or so at each speed, that should make the cat monitor run.

While you are doing that run the fuel level to about 1/2 tank. Then park the car overnight, 8 hr minimum. If the the temps will get to the mid 40's during the day do not start the car until the outside temp is in the mid 40's and has been for an hour or two. If that is not going to happen then drive the car normally for at least 1/2 hour and then park it overnight again an 8hr minimum. The next trip should make the evap bypass and show as completed.

If its not ready. He likely does. The DR tune I had running for multiple years was fine until they made the rules/software more harsh on things being not ready and then mine failed. This was easily resolved by simply putting a stock tune back on and I spent a day driving it around parked it over night. Went back. Blam. Fixed. A lot of turners turned off un necessary things so when clients would mod their cars further the chances of a Check Engine Light coming on are greatly reduced. Now they can't do it anymore because of the more aggressive OBD-II machines.

[martyo]

Blam.

Blam always scares me!!!

[Joe Walsh]

I crushed my Marauder and bought a car good on gas today.

What do you all think?

Dom!

I'm glad to see that you took my advice and bought an inexpensive, economical, and reliable mode of transportation!!
And you even bought the same cute little Schit.....errrrr.......I mean Scion that I 'test fit' for you!

[Vortech347]

Blam always scares me!!!

Its a distant cousin of spam.

[Motorhead350]

The plan is for a stock tune guys. From what I have been told "return to stock" will not do the trick and I still must go to a dealer. Can someone clear this up?

Also it's zero here. I have been in stop and go traffic and over double the speed limit... I mean up to speed too. I will return to the dealer to prove driving is not turning on the cats. We will see what they say. Even a paper is fine. I just want my sticker.

[Vortech347]

The plan is for a stock tune guys. From what I have been told "return to stock" will not do the trick and I still must go to a dealer. Can someone clear this up?

Also it's zero here. I have been in stop and go traffic and over double the speed limit... I mean up to speed too. I will return to the dealer to prove driving is not turning on the cats. We will see what they say. Even a paper is fine. I just want my sticker.

You do not need to drive like a jackass to make the system work correctly. You need to drive about 50-100 miles of NORMAL driving with a few "cool down" stops along the way.

You don't know if won't do the trick if you don't try it. And since it is by far the easiest and least expensive thing to remove trouble shoot wise its a no brainier to do it.

The ambient temperature doesn't mean a damn thing.

[Motorhead350]

Copy that. Let's see what happens, but like I said... I have been "driving" for weeks with the same tune with nothing turing on. Highway, side street, off for an hour, off for 8 hours. The car has had plenty of driving hours and miles.

Will "Return to stock" on my tuner do the trick or is this something only the dealer can do correctly?

[Zack]

Will "Return to stock" on my tuner do the trick or is this something only the dealer can do correctly?


Seriously? Seriously?

How does a stock Marauder tune find its way into a used tuner?
Do you know how a tuner works yet? :banana:

[Motorhead350]

Seriously? Seriously?

How does a stock Marauder tune find its way into a used tuner?
Do you know how a tuner works yet? :banana:

Well excuse me Andy Rooney! I thought "Return to stock" meant return to stock. How foolish of me to think of such a conclusion.

[Zack]

Well excuse me Andy Rooney! I thought "Return to stock" meant return to stock. How foolish of me to think of such a conclusion.

'Stock' is whatever is in the pcm when you first use the tuner.

You load a tune, it saves whatever is in the pcm.
Does this make sense to you?

[Motorhead350]

'Stock' is whatever is in the pcm when you first use the tuner.

You load a tune, it saves whatever is in the pcm.
Does this make sense to you?

Thank you for explaining this to me.

To my understanding, this means.... it will NOT go back to stock when I click on return to stock. It will go back to what you setup last time you tuned the car. The only way to OFFICIALLY go back to stock is by getting a stock tune from the dealership.... OR asking for a stock tune from someone as you mentioned DAYS AGO.

Yes, you mentioned a number of times to get a stock tune from someone here. I will take that route, IF the dealership will not willingly return my car to stock.

IF, I had a decent tuner and a PC, things would be fixed in the matter of ten minutes. Tops. I get it. Until then, I have to use a crappy tuner and stuck with a Mac. My small circle of friends (if it even can make a circle) all have Macs.

I was NOT ignoring your advice, but now that you cleared things up to where I understand, it all makes since to me now.

[Zack]

A dealer charges $125 to flash your pcm back to stock.

I bet Marty will send you the file for free.

[Motorhead350]

A dealer charges $125 to flash your pcm back to stock.

I bet Marty will send you the file for free.

Kinda...

I would have to send my tuner back to him in the mail.

We could not even upload a tune into it with a PC. I really screwed myself with the tuner, but it's not me being cheap, it's all I could afford. Before you get all personal and tell me about how my life decisions are wrong, keep in mind MOST that took my road do not have a car or are driving a crappy 4 banger. I would rather deal with this situation than ride a bus or drive a Cavalier or Vibe like the other two in my life.

Finally, I need a receipt saying "All monitors are on" before I can even be TESTED! Uploading a tune for free will not do the trick, not anymore. The rules have changed in IL.

The dealership I know charges a discount rate since I used to work there back in high school, same people too. $125 and it's done today sounds nice, but it's nice to have a plan b. If anything I am hesitant to the man tuning my car because I know this has been a pain in the ankle for them too. Sorry, I care about how people feel.

[RF Overlord]

Uploading a tune for free will not do the trick, not anymore. The rules have changed in IL. Dom, I'm confused. Having Marty put a stock tune on your tuner, then you uploading it to the PCM, is exactly the same thing as what the dealer will do. They just use their IDS instead of a hand-held unit, but the tune, and the end result, would be the same.

Or am I missing something bigger? EMAS? Limited360?

[Vortech347]

Sell the car.

[Motorhead350]

Stock tune in. Free of charge. I will drive it for a day and see what happens. PCM reset by dealer. Why free? Be nice to them and they will be nice to you.

Bob, as previously stated I need a receipt from IL. A tune from out of state will not he accepted. I can do a tune and read it from a local shop. Last time I did that, the EPA told me to go to another shop. A dealer does not get any more official.

[RR|Suki]

All it should take is load a stock tune +4.10 gear adjustment on the tuner you have, as though it were another aftermarket tune. Load it onto the car just like you would load an aftermarket tune. Everything will work exactly as it would on a stock car.

Once you get whatever cert you need, you just load your aftermarket tune back on.

This seems like it this is being made a lot harder than it actually is :confused:

edit* I see the car has a stock tune on it now, should be all good now unless you have some bad sensors

[RF Overlord]

Bob, as previously stated I need a receipt from IL.Gotcha...it isn't the tune itself, it's the bureaucracy you're having trouble with.

FYI, don't lose heart if it takes more than a day...my work van (yes, it's a GMC) took over a week for the catalyst monitor to set, and I tried the drive-cycle thing at least a half-dozen times...

[Limited360]

Doesn't he still need the adjustment for the 4.10's or will all the monitors still got the enable conditions just fine with the 4.10's?

If memory is right you do have 4.10's in the car correct?

I hope it works out, sorry was such a hassle for you!


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[fastblackmerc]

Doesn't he still need the adjustment for the 4.10's or will all the monitors still got the enable conditions just fine with the 4.10's?

If memory is right you do have 4.10's in the car correct?

I hope it works out, sorry was such a hassle for you!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk so I may sound retarded.

The shift points and speedo will be off. I assume Dom just wants to get a sticker and get the "EPA" off his back..........

[Limited360]

The shift points and speedo will be off. I assume Dom just wants to get a sticker and get the "EPA" off his back..........


Understand the physics.

Was curious from others experience if the rpm / load / mph enables were still not an issue to meet to complete the monitors.


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[Motorhead350]

That is the plan. Get a sticker, and SuperHappyFunTimes tune goes back in.

If I knew it was as simple as getting the PCM cleared by the dealer originally, I would have not spent $$$ on products, services and gas for all of this "resetting."

The sad thing is, the solution was simple and I wasted a lot of valuable time due to my ignorance of how to solve the problem efficiently. Let's see if this works.

[Vortech347]

All it should take is load a stock tune +4.10 gear adjustment on the tuner you have, as though it were another aftermarket tune. Load it onto the car just like you would load an aftermarket tune. Everything will work exactly as it would on a stock car.

Once you get whatever cert you need, you just load your aftermarket tune back on.

This seems like it this is being made a lot harder than it actually is :confused:

edit* I see the car has a stock tune on it now, should be all good now unless you have some bad sensors

This is exactly what DR did for me. Sent me a stock tune that I could adjust in the hand held. Just added my 4.10 gears and I was good to go.

The car drove like **** but I'll take one day of **** vs permanent ****.

[Motorhead350]

The car drove like **** but I'll take one day of **** vs permanent ****.

HA!

That's exactly what is going on now. It truly feels like it has over 200,000 miles. Let's see if the gas mileage get's better!

[Motorhead350]

UPDATE...

Check engine light came back. It keeps throwing P0153. O2 sensor, back row drivers side. I am assuming this is the code because it's the one that keeps coming back on.

So, now I will have to go back to the dealer, ask them to run the code. If it's P0153 I will have them change the sensor. Yes, I know this will be expensive, but I am not working in the street in this weather, plus last time I did this I needed to use a blow torch and tool at the same time! It was dangerous and a horrible working condition. I am hoping it's not both rear sensors, but I bet it will be.

Looks like we found our issue for the cats. Now it makes perfect since why no codes came on when the car had monitors turned off. Turn them all on and it throws codes and no cats are reading. It seems like the problem has been pin pointed. Marty suggested my sensor about a week ago. I did not ignore his suggestion and it has not been proven to be the issue just yet, but I bet it is.

It looks like this will be wrapped up this week. Talk about last minute.

Laugh it up. All this trouble for an o2 sensor and a PCM reflash....

[martyo]

Laugh it up. All this trouble for an o2 sensor and a PCM reflash....

The PCM reflash may not have been necessary but we may never know.

[Limited360]

P0153 is bank 2 sensor 1 slow response. You need an upstream O2... If this is the correct fault code it would prevent the monitor from completing. The MIL may have disabled on your tune for this.


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[Motorhead350]

P0153 is bank 2 sensor 1 slow response. You need an upstream O2... If this is the correct fault code it would prevent the monitor from completing. The MIL may have disabled on your tune for this.


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Upstream = front drivers correct?

[Limited360]

Correct


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[Motorhead350]

http://www.partsgeek.com/gbproducts/WC/5778-01111293.html?utm_content=YN&utm_term=2003-2004+Mercury+Marauder+Oxygen+S ensor+Walker+Products+Inc.+Fro nt+03-04+Mercury+Oxygen+Sensor&utm_source=google&utm_medium=ff&utm_campaign=PartsGeek+Google+ Base&gclid=CNfKq_LXxbwCFc5DMgod1hoA MA

Is this the right part and number? I learned the hard way there is a difference between upstream and.... downstream? o2 sensors.

[Limited360]

http://www.partsgeek.com/gbproducts/WC/5778-01111293.html?utm_content=YN&utm_term=2003-2004+Mercury+Marauder+Oxygen+S ensor+Walker+Products+Inc.+Fro nt+03-04+Mercury+Oxygen+Sensor&utm_source=google&utm_medium=ff&utm_campaign=PartsGeek+Google+ Base&gclid=CNfKq_LXxbwCFc5DMgod1hoA MA

Is this the right part and number? I learned the hard way there is a difference between upstream and.... downstream? o2 sensors.

Yeah upstream and downstream will have a different hole pattern along with a different ceramic typically due to the dew point and condensation in the exhaust.

Below is a link from Tasca Ford for the part.

http://tascaparts.com/parts/2003/Mercury/Marauder/Base?siteid=213668&vehicleid=63414&section=EMISSION%20SYSTEM&group=EMISSION%20SYSTEM&subgroup=EMISSION%20COMPONENTS&component=Upr%20oxygen%20snsr

[Motorhead350]

Sweet! Thank you!!!!

I hope I need one and not two.

[Zack]

It's probably because you have long tubes and the sensor is about 12" further from the stock location. There is an adjustment In the tune for that

The passenger side is only 4" further than stock

[Motorhead350]

It's probably because you have long tubes and the sensor is about 12" further from the stock location. There is an adjustment In the tune for that

The passenger side is only 4" further than stock

Whaao! Hang a second Bob Vila.

Are you saying another tune is needed and swapping a sensor will not do the trick. OR were you giving me another solution?

[Zack]

It's just a possibility that's all. Replace both sensors if one is bad. They are easy to diagnose with a data logger

[justbob]

I can't seem to open the link for the o2's but I have always found Motorcrafts at Rockauto to be a good deal and they always ship fast.


Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
"Since 2004"

[yjmud]

maybe since you have a day on your permit you should buy them local so you can try and get it done before the deadline

[fastblackmerc]

I can't seem to open the link for the o2's but I have always found Motorcrafts at Rockauto to be a good deal and they always ship fast.


Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
"Since 2004"

Rock Auto wants $41.89 each. Just scored two on eBay for $42.00 with free shipping.

NEW MOTORCRAFT O2 OXYGEN SENSOR

MOTORCRAFT # DY1040

FORD # 5C5Z9F472BA, XC2Z9F472BA, 5C5Z-9F472-BA, XC2Z-9F472-BA

[martyo]

It's probably because you have long tubes and the sensor is about 12" further from the stock location. There is an adjustment In the tune for that

The passenger side is only 4" further than stock

Zack, which headers are on his car?

This is the first that I have heard about the disparity in the 02 location.

I think that the transport delays in a stock tune will have to be adjusted to get him by without a code. So, a stock tune may not work.

Your thoughts?

[Zack]

Zack, which headers are on his car?

This is the first that I have heard about the disparity in the 02 location.

I think that the transport delays in a stock tune will have to be adjusted to get him by without a code. So, a stock tune may not work.

Your thoughts?

Its possible but anything is possible on his POS.

I have never installed headers on a car with stock tuning. The cars that have headers and a canned tune never seem to have an issue. (which he didnt with the tune installed)

The DS O2 sensor in a Kooks header is on the horizontal near the collector, a significant distance from the stock location, and potentially a factor in really cold weather.

Whenever Tim tunes my cars, he always adjusts the transport delay if the car has longtubes.

[martyo]

Whenever Tim tunes my cars, he always adjusts the transport delay if the car has longtubes.

As do we, but then it is not a "stock" tune....

[Zack]

As do we, but then it is not a "stock" tune....

Agreed.
Sorry, I wasn't jabbing you (you'd feel it for sure) :eek:

[martyo]

Agreed.
Sorry, I wasn't jabbing you (you'd feel it for sure) :eek:

I didn't feel it and that is why I didn't think you were! :D

[MOTOWN]

:hug2:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Motorhead350]

maybe since you have a day on your permit you should buy them local so you can try and get it done before the deadline

That's all I can do.



Its possible but anything is possible on his POS..

Since when have we started talking about someone else's car?

[yjmud]

I Ran Sw On A Stock Tune No Codes

[Motorhead350]

Looks like I will be calling around asking shops who has the best priced o2 sensors. Is there any brand I should stay away from besides Bosch?

The dealer cannot take the car till tomorrow morning. I will arrive with parts on hand. I am not changing these o2s in this weather, plus I am too busy.

[J-MAN]

I hope this does it.

BUT

:popcorn:

Just in case, staying tuned.

[Haggis]

I hope this does it.

BUT

:popcorn:

Just in case, staying tuned.

Pun intended^^^

[Limited360]

Stick with motorcraft if you can. Just my 2 cents on this situation.


Zack the DS02 being farther downstream will not set an upstream O2 response code. For the upstream response it doesn't look at the downstream at all.

Now if it was setting a catalyst code the DS02 would come in to play...

The monitor looks at the response during a decel fuel cut off, looks for the time it takes to switch from the previous rich kick to the lean hold of a DFSO event.

If it was a newer car or ran instrusive fueling for the monitor it would be different, but in 03 model year this is how almost 99% of OEM's did the US slow response monitor.

For 2013MY there was a 100% phase in requirement that you had to be able to detect the six different modes of O2 failure, Response time for Rich to Lean, Lean to Rich, Rich to Lean to Rich along with Delay time for Rich to Lean, Lean to Rich, Rich to Lean to Rich. This was a motherf'er for a lot of OEM's!!! Many deficiencies went out for this monitor!

[Zack]

Stick with motorcraft if you can. Just my 2 cents on this situation.


Zack the DS02 being farther downstream will not set an upstream O2 response code. For the upstream response it doesn't look at the downstream at all.

Now if it was setting a catalyst code the DS02 would come in to play...

The monitor looks at the response during a decel fuel cut off, looks for the time it takes to switch from the previous rich kick to the lean hold of a DFSO event.

If it was a newer car or ran instrusive fueling for the monitor it would be different, but in 03 model year this is how almost 99% of OEM's did the US slow response monitor.

For 2013MY there was a 100% phase in requirement that you had to be able to detect the six different modes of O2 failure, Response time for Rich to Lean, Lean to Rich, Rich to Lean to Rich along with Delay time for Rich to Lean, Lean to Rich, Rich to Lean to Rich. This was a motherf'er for a lot of OEM's!!! Many deficiencies went out for this monitor!

http://img.playground.ru/images/5/7/ThatPostGaveMeCancer.jpg

[martyo]

^^^ LMAO ^^^

[Limited360]

http://img.playground.ru/images/5/7/ThatPostGaveMeCancer.jpg


To much information on boring OBDII monitor operation?

:beatnik:

[Motorhead350]

So I still need upstream correct?

I am about to jump on the phone for best local pricing. If I had more time I would place an on-line order.

[Limited360]

So I still need upstream correct?

I am about to jump on the phone for best local pricing. If I had more time I would place an on-line order.

My guess is yes you need one... However this is a guess based on your feedback on code here.

[Motorhead350]

My guess is yes you need one... However this is a guess based on your feedback on code here.

Ok. I think I will get it checked on final time before it goes under the wrench. it would not be pleasant to find out I needed a second one and didn't buy it the first time.

Thank you.

[Limited360]

Ok. I think I will get it checked on final time before it goes under the wrench. it would not be pleasant to find out I needed a second one and didn't buy it the first time.



Thank you.


Do em both if your doing them... Both upstreams that is. Bad mileage can also be a sign of a failing O2 sensor!


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[J-MAN]

Pun intended^^^

Disheartening to say the least. I hope little Timmy doesn't see this. :depress:

[martyo]

Dom, when your performance tune does not work after this ordeal, please start a new thread so I don't miss it buried in here.

And, I am reasonably confident that it won't work. :(

[Motorhead350]

Ok man thank you.

Tomorrow is D-day and it will probably involve yelling.... like a happy little girl when they say "ummmm yeh.... ya passed... so you can drive true."

[Motorhead350]

Like my new ride guys?

$2.25 I go anywhere, if it breaks I do not have to pay for and best of all I have ZERO EMISSIONS testing!

Ok, seriously, I dropped off the car at the dealer to get it fully ready for testing. If I had more time I would change the o2's myself, but in this weather, screw it. Plus I get an actual repair order.

[Comin' in Hot]

Like my new ride guys?

at least if it breaks down another one will come along shortly.:D

[Bigdogjim]

Yes trains are like buses, always one coming along any minute.

[justbob]

I bet money it handles like its on rails...


Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
"Since 2004"

[guspech750]

I bet money it handles like its on rails...


Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
"Since 2004"

How do you figure?


Sent from The White House on taxpayers dimes.

DTR + 4.10's + Eaton swap = Wreeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom

[massacre]

Trains are on rails

[IwantmyMMnow!]

Trains are on rails


:hmmm:.....:thinker:.....wait. ...I don't get it....:confused:

[Bigdogjim]

^^^ Not a problem just wait for a bus. :laugh:

[Motorhead350]

The dealer says I need new converters and did not change my o2s. I do not think they listened to what I asked. Well the car has its final extention permit that expired yesterday. Let the fun begin.

I was told I can do whatever I have to do and get the computer read one final time. I will hide the car and change the o2s myself.

This sucks.

[Baaad GN]

Dom did you actually take parts to a dealer to be put on? they really liked that I bet!

[Motorhead350]

Dom did you actually take parts to a dealer to be put on? they really liked that I bet!

Nope. Said it might the the o2s, can you change the front ones. I got a call saying "we can't clear the codes, you need these race car cats taken off and put on normal ones."

Yeah I do not think they did the work I asked them to. Another day with wasted time.

[Bigdogjim]

Her in NJ if spend a set amount on emission and fail they will still pass you and long as you have receipts to back up you claim. Is Il. emissions set up that way also?

[sflrainmaker01]

Her in NJ if spend a set amount on emission and fail they will still pass you and long as you have receipts to back up you claim. Is Il. emissions set up that way also?

Good point. That was the case in MD and VA too.

[RF Overlord]

Good point. That was the case in MD and VA too.Also true in MA...

[Motorhead350]

Guys, I have not failed. I rejected the system. Until I have a paper saying all monitors are on, I will not even get a test.

[martyo]

Guys, I have not failed. I rejected the system. Until I have a paper saying all monitors are on, I will not even get a test.

Now I am confused. Who does this piece of paper have to come from?

[Motorhead350]

Now I am confused. Who does this piece of paper have to come from?

Any shop in Chicago, but last time I brought in a print up they said I had to go to another shop.

Ok, I called the dealership back and requested they change my two upstream o2 sensors. If I am wrong so be it. Also the car stays off of the road for the weekend.

Oh bother.

[Limited360]

Any shop in Chicago, but last time I brought in a print up they said I had to go to another shop.



Ok, I called the dealership back and requested they change my two upstream o2 sensors. If I am wrong so be it. Also the car stays off of the road for the weekend.



Oh bother.


The catalysts won't affect an upstream O2 response code... However once you have new O2's upstream I wouldn't doubt they pick up the lack of conversion efficiency in the race cats... Hence you may then set a cat efficiency code (P0420 and P0430). This could be why the dealer wanted regular cats on the car. However tell them to STFU and install the O2's... Which is what it sounds like they are doing.


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[Motorhead350]

I hope this works. I just got my bill quote. Still, it's less than multiple tickets and a boot.

[Zack]

Why would you pay dealer prices when there are a zillion Mexican shops in Chicago that would change them for 50 bucks?
You do everything wrong.

[Bigdogjim]

This thread has a life of it's own.

[IwantmyMMnow!]

....You do everything wrong.

Dude, I just had a flashback to when I was married...

[Motorhead350]

Why would you pay dealer prices when there are a zillion Mexican shops in Chicago that would change them for 50 bucks?
You do everything wrong.

muhahahaha!!!! Your ignorance astounds me. Something sounds wrong to you and you say it's wrong before you even know the reasoning for the decision! Remarkable! Actually, this is NOTHING new in your world. Same old Zack, gotta love him.

The reasoning I am spending close to $375 for parts and labor as suppose to $50 is because the "Waver" can be obtained if $450 is spent on parts to make emissions issues go away. Since everyone I have spent money on have not given me receipts (plus they wouldn't be any good anyway due to purchases outside of Chicago) this is the FASTEST way to get everyone off of my back. Bonus points for keeping the car in a garage and off of the street with an expired extension permit.

Even though you said everything I do is wrong, I will say you have bigger problems than a car passing an emission test, as do I, but the difference is I am doing something about them. You just ignore and laugh at all of the problems in your life.

BTW I edited out the rest because I do not want to give you something to think about on a saturday.

[J-MAN]

muhahahaha!!!! Your ignorance astounds me. Something sounds wrong to you and you say it's wrong before you even know the reasoning for the decision! Remarkable! Actually, this is NOTHING new in your world. Same old Zack, gotta love him.

The reasoning I am spending close to $375 for parts and labor as suppose to $50 is because the "Waver" can be obtained if $450 is spent on parts to make emissions issues go away. Since everyone I have spent money on have not given me receipts (plus they wouldn't be any good anyway due to purchases outside of Chicago) this is the FASTEST way to get everyone off of my back. Bonus points for keeping the car in a garage and off of the street with an expired extension permit.

Even though you said everything I do is wrong, I will say you have bigger problems than a car passing an emission test, as do I, but the difference is I am doing something about them. You just ignore and laugh at all of the problems in your life.

BTW I edited out the rest because I do not want to give you something to think about on a saturday.

Did you post the original on Craigslist?

[Bigdogjim]

^^^It's lost in cyberspace...:lol:

[Drewstang]

So did we ever figure out why the A/C was causing it to fail emissions?

[Pat]

"Ve are past zat point, Fraulein".

(line from the Gestapo agent in Raiders of the Lost Ark)

[Motorhead350]

So did we ever figure out why the A/C was causing it to fail emissions?

That was due to the temperature being less than 40. The car should pass it's test after new o2 sensors are installed. I expect to pick up the car tomorrow and pass my test. Followed by screaming like a little girl for joy at the whole staff.

[Comin' in Hot]

muhahahaha!!!! Your ignorance astounds me. Something sounds wrong to you and you say it's wrong before you even know the reasoning for the decision! Remarkable! Actually, this is NOTHING new in your world. Same old Zack, gotta love him.

The reasoning I am spending close to $375 for parts and labor as suppose to $50 is because the "Waver" can be obtained if $450 is spent on parts to make emissions issues go away. Since everyone I have spent money on have not given me receipts (plus they wouldn't be any good anyway due to purchases outside of Chicago) this is the FASTEST way to get everyone off of my back. Bonus points for keeping the car in a garage and off of the street with an expired extension permit.

Even though you said everything I do is wrong, I will say you have bigger problems than a car passing an emission test, as do I, but the difference is I am doing something about them. You just ignore and laugh at all of the problems in your life.

BTW I edited out the rest because I do not want to give you something to think about on a saturday.

dumbest reasoning ever... what happens next year when you have the same problem?

[Bigdogjim]

dumbest reasoning ever... what happens next year when you have the same problem?
Simple start a new thread:help:

[Motorhead350]

dumbest reasoning ever... what happens next year when you have the same problem?

It's every two years. I do not write the rules or laws of the EPA. If you have a better idea, I am all eyes and ears. Remember, I must have a printout say "All monitors are on. Vehicle is ready for testing." Or proof I spent $450 or greater to get the car ready for testing. Even if it still fails, I can apply for a waver. This is all WITHOUT changing the car to a race or show car from insurance. If that happened, something happened and they figured out the car was a DD, everything would be void. It's better to go though this B.S. than play shadow games and be completely screwed if something happens.

In two years it seems like things could be as simple as going back to a dealership, getting a stock PCM flash done, passing and resetting. OR, I could have a stock tune uploaded (as mentioned a few days ago) and put that in the car to pass the test though my tuner.

This year is the rough year. Everything after this should be smooth sailing.

[whitey]

I understand what youre saying dom, ive went through this stuff before with my civic that had an obd1 cpu in place of an obd2 cpu. Car wouldn't even read at emmissions....i ended up getting lucky and had a person pass me who worked at the emissions station for some money in their pocket...otherwise i would have had to spend $250 in work done to get it to pass or lower the car to the point where it wouldn't go over the rollers and they couldn't test it. Good luck with it all.

[Motorhead350]

Ice049QZFJA

I just found this... LOL

I got stopped by a cop late last night
Out-of-date tags and no tail lights
He said I oughta run you in but I'm lettin' you go
Because there ain't nothin' wrong with your radio


LOLOLOLOL

[Motorhead350]

Ok people here is what is going on....

I still did NOT get all monitors on for the test even after having a dealer changing the two upstream o2 sensors. I spent $351, but it wasn't quite wasted.

I went to a FULL SERVICE EPA station with staff that did not know me (the other station has been seeing me for months, they know me by now) and I told them what I had done. Spent $351 towards a repair and now the car is throwing codes. (when stock tune is in) The lady was nice enough to let me take the test to fail it to apply for a waver. Keep in mind, I was NOT allowed to be tested because my car "rejected the system" ha, sound familiar?

So the car tested, failed, threw three codes and now I can finally get a waver going to take care of this. The $351 I already spent WILL count towards the $450 requirement. So now I am $98 and some change shy of getting a waver! The only problem is I have to go to a ASE shop. Changing the OTHER o2 sensors I was willing to because it's warmed up, but the lady told me only a shop could do the work so I could get the waver. I could NOT have the $351 from the shop and the rest of the parts on myself.... NOT ALLOWED.

Back to the dealer, tell them "Here is $98, write me a receipt." The car is on it's FINAL permit. This will be my 5th and final extension. When I say I do not have time to work on the car anymore, I mean it.

These codes only happen with the stock tune. Superhappyfuntimes tune doesn't give me troubles.

Gotta love the EPA.

[RacerX]

I'm not going to read all 12 pages. Do you have a COMPLETELY stock Marauder tune in it?

[Bigdogjim]

Gotta love the EPA.

Yes as a matter fact I do, (somewhat) EPA regs are to keep over polluting vehicles off the road. It is strange that after you X amount of dollars you get the waiver?

I have been meaning to ask....does everyone in the great State of IL. have this problem with inspection?

[justbob]

All three come back to drivers downstream o2. Why not just spend less than $98 and fix it with both downstreams and be done?

Didn't the dealer assure you it would pass?


Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
"Since 2004"

[justbob]

Yes as a matter fact I do, (somewhat) EPA regs are to keep over polluting vehicles off the road. It is strange that after you X amount of dollars you get the waiver?

I have been meaning to ask....does everyone in the great State of IL. have this problem with inspection?


Ew ew ew! Me! Mine is WAY worse than Doms...


Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
"Since 2004"

[Motorhead350]

I'm not going to read all 12 pages. Do you have a COMPLETELY stock Marauder tune in it?

Yes, but the car is NOT stock. It has headers and high flow cats.


Yes as a matter fact I do, (somewhat) EPA regs are to keep over polluting vehicles off the road. It is strange that after you X amount of dollars you get the waiver?

I have been meaning to ask....does everyone in the great State of IL. have this problem with inspection?

Not everyone in IL will have this issue. It depends on where in the state you live. Check out Ohio. No emissions anywhere except Cleveland. Weird.


All three come back to drivers downstream o2. Why not just spend less than $98 and fix it with both downstreams and be done?

Didn't the dealer assure you it would pass?


Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
"Since 2004"

I might just buy the thing, bring it to the dealer and have them install it. I need another $98 receipt from them. Maybe I can get a cheap $40 sensor have them charge me the $70 labor and be done. That will exceed what I need, but I should be fine.

No the dealer did not say it would pass. I just told them to do the job anyway because I was under the assumption it would fix the issue, given the advice on this board and though a few PMs.

[Limited360]

I love the EPA. Keeps me employed :)


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[RacerX]

I have headers and high flow cats. So that makes that a non-issue...

[Zack]

The sensors are either bad or not plugged in.....or bad wiring from 200k+ miles and 5 engine swaps.
I'm not even gonna ask if you looked to see if they are plugged in...I already know the answer.

[Limited360]

The sensors are either bad or not plugged in.....or bad wiring from 200k+ miles and 5 engine swaps.

I'm not even gonna ask if you looked to see if they are plugged in...I already know the answer.


+1 on this... Check to see if they are even plugged in.


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[Motorhead350]

The sensors are either bad or not plugged in.....or bad wiring from 200k+ miles and 5 engine swaps.
I'm not even gonna ask if you looked to see if they are plugged in...I already know the answer.

Yes you are right. I am too busy with life to make sure everything was plugged in like I paid to have done. Not everyone has the time to work on cars, some of us play in bands. :P

Everything is leading to the drivers downstream o2 and it was not even touched. Worth a look though. Thanks!

This is engine number 4, so it's had 3 swaps.

[Zack]

There is a good chance I didn't plug them in.....because they are always tuned out so it doesn't matter.

[Zack]

Yes you are right. I am too busy with life to make sure everything was plugged in like I paid to have done. Not everyone has the time to work on cars, some of us play in bands. :P

Everything is leading to the drivers downstream o2 and it was not even touched. Worth a look though. Thanks!

This is engine number 4, so it's had 3 swaps.

I have a full time job, go on the internet, sit down to dinner, feed my dogs and work on cars every single day.

You bet your ass Id have time to ensure my transportation remains legal.

All you have is excuses.

[ctrlraven]

I just learned so much after reading 120 post about the EPA and emissions. :lol:

I did like learning about the DS O2 sensor needing adjustment in the tune though, will have to pass that information on to whoever tunes my car after SW headers go on it.

[Motorhead350]

I have a full time job, go on the internet, sit down to dinner, feed my dogs and work on cars every single day.

You bet your ass Id have time to ensure my transportation remains legal.

All you have is excuses.

Maybe someday I will be as cool as you.

Until then, there are no excuses, just idiots running the world. Plus, you would never have these problems. You live in a different state and have beer buddies to write things off for you. Your responsibility level is FAR from what you are posting. I can pull a Zack and bring up other personal facts... but will not.

[2mercs]

7 counties in ohio require emissions testing. Im probably going to have some issues once I get into the mods more.

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[RacerX]

Zack, you should have left some seafood down in the heater/AC air intake for when it warms up outside... ;)

[vegasmarauder]

Im probabaly going to regret getting into this thread but doesn't the term "Not Supported" on the printout mean those areas are turned off in the (non-stock) tune? If they are, all the new O2 sensors in the world won't make them work, becuase they have been turned off in the PCM. Which will then make the Cat Efficiency "Not Ready" because its using the rear O2's to read the cats.

The A/C not supprted means to me the PCM has the compressor input turned off in the tune as well. But I don't believe that one is not a mandatory ready requirement for an emission test.

[RacerX]

That's why I asked if it was a stock tune. Something doesn't sound right. In NH, if you have anything turned off, it will say "Not Supported" and if it just won't go ready, it states not ready.

[vegasmarauder]

^^ Same here.

[Joe Walsh]

Zack, you should have left some shellfish, earthworms and limburger cheese down in the heater/AC air intake for when it warms up outside... ;)

LOL...

There fixed it for ya!

BTW: Almost 200 posts for a "I can't pass emissions" thread!

[jwibbity]

only 8 left to go!!

[Joe Walsh]

only 8 left to go!!

7 !!!!!!!!!

[Limited360]

countdown to it... 6!!!

[jwibbity]

5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[yjmud]

4 More To go

[jwibbity]

and then there were 3......

[Joe Walsh]

2 for you!!

[gdsqdcr]

1!
Who is it goin to be?

[RacerX]

Wait for it...............


Winner, winner chicken dinner!!!

[justbob]

Im probabaly going to regret getting into this thread but doesn't the term "Not Supported" on the printout mean those areas are turned off in the (non-stock) tune? If they are, all the new O2 sensors in the world won't make them work, becuase they have been turned off in the PCM. Which will then make the Cat Efficiency "Not Ready" because its using the rear O2's to read the cats.



The A/C not supprted means to me the PCM has the compressor input turned off in the tune as well. But I don't believe that one is not a mandatory ready requirement for an emission test.


Wow. Teaches me to read more.. I only looked at the codes assuming all was good on the monitors..

BIG +1. Besides what you mentioned, there are a few more that aren't even ready..


Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
"Since 2004"

[Bigdogjim]

OK guys as funny as you think this after this drama is over it will be another planet dooming EPA trap to foil our hero:)

[Motorhead350]

Screw the EPA. If they knew anything about the environment, they would give me a tax write off for all of the "recycled" parts on the car. Not this hassle.

Tomorrow, I will be going back to the dealer and asking if they can simply install a new DOWNSTREAM o2 sensor on the drivers side. Even if this does not fix the issue, I will get the bill. Turn that all in, get the waver, back to the race tune and back to fun.

[EMAS]

Im probabaly going to regret getting into this thread but doesn't the term "Not Supported" on the printout mean those areas are turned off in the (non-stock) tune? If they are, all the new O2 sensors in the world won't make them work, becuase they have been turned off in the PCM. Which will then make the Cat Efficiency "Not Ready" because its using the rear O2's to read the cats.

The A/C not supprted means to me the PCM has the compressor input turned off in the tune as well. But I don't believe that one is not a mandatory ready requirement for an emission test.

Not supported means that yes the calibration for the vehicle does not have that function in the program. However that does not mean that it is a non stock tune nor does the presence of not supported items mean that it won't pass. The testing software matches what is supported from the factory and anything that the factory did not show as being used in that particular calibration can return a not supported and the vehicle still pass.

No car sold supports the AC function. Despite popular belief R12 was not outlawed they just make manufactures have a monitoring system that will report low refrigerant which would be caused by a leak. No manufacturer decided to use that option, instead they chose to use R-134a and avoid an AC system leak monitor.

I've yet to run across a vehicle that uses a heated catalyst yet, though some of the newest cars may be so equipped, and the Marauder definitely doesn't, so a not supported for that is fine as is the secondary air injection as it was not used on the Marauder.

So we are exactly where we were before there was a "factory" tune downloaded in place of the last tune that had all the required items turned on. Weak down stream O2 sensors preventing the cat monitor to run and a combination of too low of temps/improper fuel level for the Evap monitor to run and someone who won't correct the fuel level issue and do the proper drive cycle to make that monitor bypass and show as ready despite the temp being too low.

[justbob]

Screw the EPA. If they knew anything about the environment, they would give me a tax write off for all of the "recycled" parts on the car. Not this hassle.

Tomorrow, I will be going back to the dealer and asking if they can simply install a new DOWNSTREAM o2 sensor on the drivers side. Even if this does not fix the issue, I will get the bill. Turn that all in, get the waver, back to the race tune and back to fun.


Your going about this wrong Bud. Never ever ever just tell a shop what to replace, instead tell them the issue that needs to be resolved. You could tell them you pulled the codes and seen whatever so you look like you have a clue instead of most idiots that are dollar signs, but stress to them that they need to make it emissions ready and they will do just that, plus have all required monitors readied for you. You can return to the lanes with confidence that you are going to pass.

As an ex-mechanic, I've seen my fair share of customers who "knew" what was wrong, and 90% of the time we called them to explain they were wrong because I worked with only one other guy for years and we prided ourselves over honesty and good customer relations even if it were at a loss..

Many shops out there will do exactly what you say without care because it's all about the dollar.


Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
"Since 2004"

[guspech750]

Honestly. Sell Merc, remember memories and buy another Merc.


Sent from The White House on taxpayers dimes.

DTR + 4.10's + Eaton swap = Wreeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom

[whitey]

Honestly. Sell Merc, remember memories and buy another Merc.


Sent from The White House on taxpayers dimes.

DTR + 4.10's + Eaton swap = Wreeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom

I'll start the bidding at $8.00.

[Haggis]

I'll start the bidding at $8.00.

$8.50
.......

[Motorhead350]

Your going about this wrong Bud. Never ever ever just tell a shop what to replace, instead tell them the issue that needs to be resolved. You could tell them you pulled the codes and seen whatever so you look like you have a clue instead of most idiots that are dollar signs, but stress to them that they need to make it emissions ready and they will do just that, plus have all required monitors readied for you. You can return to the lanes with confidence that you are going to pass.

As an ex-mechanic, I've seen my fair share of customers who "knew" what was wrong, and 90% of the time we called them to explain they were wrong because I worked with only one other guy for years and we prided ourselves over honesty and good customer relations even if it were at a loss..

Many shops out there will do exactly what you say without care because it's all about the dollar.


Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
"Since 2004"

Honestly, they told me I needed new catalytic converters to pass the test. I did not want to do that, even if they were right. Literally, throwing money at products that would not resolve the issue was the fastest was to get to $450 for the waver. I did not want to modify the car to a point where it would take work to bring it back. It's much easier to change a tune than doing extensive exhaust work, BUT people do do this.


I'll start the bidding at $8.00.


Honestly. Sell Merc, remember memories and buy another Merc.


Sent from The White House on taxpayers dimes.

DTR + 4.10's + Eaton swap = Wreeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom

Honestly, I thought about this for about a day, but decided the car is worth so little and means so much to me, that it's worth the trouble.

I love the car like one would love a dog, cat, turtle... any pet. I had it for almost 12 straight years and when you grow to like things that much, it's worth the trouble in the end. You will be glad you did it and still have a car you enjoy.

Plus, it would be horrible to look back and think "All I needed to do was spend $450 to get this to pass and here I am with a payment plan for a car I do not even like half as much." I do not know if you ever read the book 1984, but that would be my Room 101.

[Joe Walsh]

I'll start the bidding at $8.00.


$8.50
.......

I think that both of you are being very optimistic!


Honestly, I thought about this for about a day, but decided the car is worth so little and means so much to me, that it's worth the trouble.

I love the car like one would love a dog, cat, turtle... any pet. I had it for almost 12 straight years and when you grow to like things that much, it's worth the trouble in the end. You will be glad you did it and still have a car you enjoy.


Dom,
How 'bout you sell/junk the Marauder and buy this badazz Chevy truck!!

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae326/JoeJWalsh/IMG_5860_zpsd6dc57b4.jpg (http://s984.photobucket.com/user/JoeJWalsh/media/IMG_5860_zpsd6dc57b4.jpg.html)

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[Motorhead350]

OMG what kinda of time do you have?

LOLOLL

Funny!!!! hahaha

[whitey]

$8.50
.......

SOLD!!!....Moderators: lock it up please.

[Motorhead350]

SOLD!!!....Moderators: lock it up please.

You guys are off the wall.

LOL

Thanks, I needed a laugh. :D

[RF Overlord]

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae326/JoeJWalsh/IMG_5859_zpsff221cb2.jpgHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA...a VIP Safari...can you say "Stance"? :rolleyes:

[IwantmyMMnow!]

SOLD!!!....Moderators: lock it up please.

RATS....I was gonna bid $8.51....:alone:

[Motorhead350]

Ok, I got a new o2 downstream sensor and will be at the dealership tomorrow at 8:30am.

I followed Zacks advice and took a look under. The o2s were connected.

Almost there.

[Mebot]

830 AM is too early. See if they have any afternoon slots available.

[Motorhead350]

830 AM is too early. See if they have any afternoon slots available.

I will be on my way faster this way.

Pass emissions or get a waver and celebrate.

[IwantmyMMnow!]

Just for you, Dom...

[Bigdogjim]

AH! Back in the day we would just "buy" a sticker, I miss the good old days")

[Motorhead350]

The car rejected the system, therefore it did not fail a second time, meaning I cannot get a waver right now. I have to go back to the dealership and get them to print out something saying "Customer must drive car to reset all monitors." I simply drove the car from the dealership to the emissions station. It's a good 45 minute drive, but it's all slow streets.

So tomorrow, I have to go back to the dealer, get another print up, go back to the emissions center, test again. If it fails, I guess I could get the waver, if it passes, great, if it rejects the system again, I do not know what. I already spent $466 on the books.

Screw the EPA and anyone who supports them. I've talked my way out of being arrested easier than this.

[Drewstang]

Option B would be to not live in a Communist City / State.

[Bigdogjim]

Screw the EPA and anyone who supports them. I've talked my way out of being arrested easier than this.


Why must you always blame someone or some Gov. org. for your failure to maintain the car?

I asked before does everyone in the State of Il. go through this every time they need inspection or emission?

Everyone here is trying to help you.

[Mebot]

Damn the man. Save the empire

[Motorhead350]

Why must you always blame someone or some Gov. org. for your failure to maintain the car?

I asked before does everyone in the State of Il. go through this every time they need inspection or emission?

Everyone here is trying to help you.

Yeah I know you guys are, but this whole situation has been running/ruining my f-ing life. I cannot even remember how many hours I have spent driving around because I was told to drive more or "Now you need to do this, go back." It's driving me crazy. I am not blaming any one person. Maybe I will be forever pissed at a former friend for not helping when he could of, but then again, I think they wanted to watch me burn.

The car has been properly taken care of. There is nothing wrong with it at all except for the body damage I have not fixed yet from the hit and run last year. No codes, nothing. The car is FINE.

Yes. I blame the gov, they are the ones putting me though this misery. I am doing everything, everyone is telling me. On the board and at the station, all with resulting in "Go back and do this." I HATE IT.

I haven't been this mad in a long time. Mad to a point when you smile and laugh.

BTW, not going to guns or violence. The people in the station do not write the rules. The people to blame are far from the emission stations. Yes I do blame someone, but I do not want to get political. When someone wants a "greener" country, this happens.

[RF Overlord]

OK, you said you were going to be at the dealer at 0830 this morning...so is it fixed?

[Motorhead350]

OK, you said you were going to be at the dealer at 0830 this morning...so is it fixed?

They changed the drivers downstream o2, engine codes went away. The car was rejected because not all monitors are back on after the reset at the dealer. The EPA said my car has to fail twice before a waver. Everything was reject up until yesterday. I need to fail again or pass. Another reject will have me losing my mind again.

[nh muscle]

I would just buy another car

[Wags]

I've been following this and I must say it is entertaining. Have to chime in here though. Dom, you say that you have been following everything that has been told to you, but then you say that you didn't drive the car long enough before the last test. You seem to almost follow, but never the whole way. Just drive the car for a few days and then go back. But then you'll say that the temporary waiver is expired. Well from the picture from your first post it says that the car was eligible for testing back in JUNE of last year. If you would have taking care of it then you would not be in the situation that you are now. Having a car and modifying it so it doesn't meet specs (which it sounds like it might pass now after you drive it like people have been telling you) is not the EPA's problem. It's not your right to drive, it's a privilege and there are rules that go along with that. Don't follow the rules...don't drive or suffer the consequences. I've had/have many performance cars and have never had problems passing (even the old cars). Not bashing you, just commenting on my observations of this thread.

Ok, off my soapbox. Now go drive the car and get it tested.

Wags

[yjmud]

"wish it, want it, YA BLEW IT" vinny the dog
the last page of this should have a mirror so you can look at it and know who blew it you blew it

[guspech750]

Why must you always blame someone or some Gov. org. for your failure to maintain the car?

I asked before does everyone in the State of Il. go through this every time they need inspection or emission?

Everyone here is trying to help you.

Our Communist State of Illinois really screwed us this year. They changed the system. My Eaton swapped Merc used to pass easily. But that is no longer the case. So I simply registered my car else where. Fook the IEPA!


Sent from The White House on taxpayers dimes.

DTR + 4.10's + Eaton swap = Wreeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom

[Limited360]

As I stated earlier. Not just Illinois ... All CARB compliant states are doing an OBD readiness test. No longer tail pipe sniffing...

Good luck Dom...


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[Motorhead350]

I blame the EPA I blame the EPA poor me.

Another day another battle.

Tomorrow is a new day. I have some driving to do and a registration to take care of. Dispute that most here will never have to deal with this because of where they live, yet feel the need to be demeaning, it's all good.

It's better to have a car to deal with than no car.

Full throttle tomorrow.

[Bigdogjim]

that most here will never have to deal with this because of where they live, yet feel the need to be demeaning, it's all good.

I hope you never have to move to the great Garden State of New Jersey! 7 years ago when I moved from PA to NJ I when through hell because of NJ laws of inspections and emissions, I was stopped several time in my first month of living here for stuff like exhaust, window tint, real tail lights (painted) front license. Remember I have a pretty much stock marauder:confused:

First time I went through the inspection station I was escorted out be the police:flamer:. Stay in Il. and learn to live with the rules and regulations:P

[Motorhead350]

I traded in my Marauder for a Lamborghini Diablo.

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

I would just buy another car

+1 I never thought emissions could be such a big cluster ****. At this rate, he will continue going back and forth for weeks throwing money away and without anything getting done.

[Motorhead350]

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[Joe Walsh]

I traded in my Marauder for a Lamborghini Diablo.

LMAO!

Now that is a car that requires almost NO maintenance!

Just gas 'er up and run it hard!!

[Zack]

Maybe I will be forever pissed at a former friend for not helping when he could of, but then again, I think they wanted to watch me burn.



As I've said dozens of times.......

You have had 10 years to read and absorb knowledge (here and from me) that you could have applied to the car. Knowledge that would prevent all of this senseless banter you keep posting, and letting it affect your daily life.

If its not Chuck Berry or Green Day, you simply do not pay attention.

Choosing not to expand your brain, or applying yourself to fix your own problems is just that....your choice. The entire time I have known you there was never enough money to fix it 'correct' Always a Band-Aid unless your wife helped out. Hell you still ask for handouts at the ripe age of 28.

Its time to realize you need a vehicle with a warranty, and a profession that pays the bills.

You can come back at me with whatever jabs at my life you wish, but it doesn't matter because I am happy....and smart enough to handle whatever life problem is thrown at me.

Throw in the towel or suffer in silence... :violin:

[Motorhead350]

As I've said dozens of times.......

You have had 10 years to read and absorb knowledge (here and from me) that you could have applied to the car. Knowledge that would prevent all of this senseless banter you keep posting, and letting it affect your daily life.

If its not Chuck Berry or Green Day, you simply do not pay attention.

Choosing not to expand your brain, or applying yourself to fix your own problems is just that....your choice. The entire time I have known you there was never enough money to fix it 'correct' Always a Band-Aid unless your wife helped out. Hell you still ask for handouts at the ripe age of 28.

Its time to realize you need a vehicle with a warranty, and a profession that pays the bills.

You can come back at me with whatever jabs at my life you wish, but it doesn't matter because I am happy....and smart enough to handle whatever life problem is thrown at me.

Throw in the towel or suffer in silence... :violin:


LOL. You are a emotionally crippled narcissist who would go homeless before asking for help from anyone due to your pride. If it wasn't for your Domestic Partner you would still be living at your moms house. What I earn goes to something called "bills" and something else called rent. While you do pay for your cell phone bill, we both know who's name isn't on your residency. You are only truly happy when you are alone. This is why you have a revolving door of friends in your life and if there wasn't booze or cars, the door would not even revolve. That's a real sad song.

I handled my problem BTW and it took a long time. I do not ask for handouts. I offered you $$$ and that is not a handout. Same with anyone who has helped me. I always ask "What do I owe?" More times than not, people say nothing. Even if I was down to my last buck, I would give it for help I received. I am not the bum you are making me out to me.

My mind has opened a lot, but cars are not my life as they are yours. If you would accept people for who they are as suppose to wishing everyone else was like you, life would be a lot easier. I could tell you all about Green Day, Chuck Berry or.... whatever, but when the car has a new problem, it's a new task in my life. If I spent 4 hours a day in a garage after work like you, I would know more, but I don't.

Back to Maraudering and you can go back to your perfect life.

[ctrlraven]

As I stated earlier. Not just Illinois ... All CARB compliant states are doing an OBD readiness test. No longer tail pipe sniffing...

Good luck Dom...


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Maryland still does tail pipe sniffing if it's OBD1 and the vehicle has a standard (daily driver) registration, they just do idle and 2500 rpm test as they got rid of the rollers. To avoid emissions, if the vehicle is 20 years or older it can be registered as Historic or Street-Rod (if it's been heavily modified) but limited to 4k miles a year and weekend/holiday use but that really doesn't stop people from DD'ing heaps of junk ready to fall apart.

The last time my foxbody went in for emissions the person could barely drive it and I made them stop it and let me do it before it could jump off the rollers.

[Limited360]

Maryland still does tail pipe sniffing if it's OBD1 and the vehicle has a standard (daily driver) registration, they just do idle and 2500 rpm test as they got rid of the rollers. To avoid emissions, if the vehicle is 20 years or older it can be registered as Historic or Street-Rod (if it's been heavily modified) but limited to 4k miles a year and weekend/holiday use but that really doesn't stop people from DD'ing heaps of junk ready to fall apart.



The last time my foxbody went in for emissions the person could barely drive it and I made them stop it and let me do it before it could jump off the rollers.


Valid info. Sorry I was referencing only 96+ OBD II compliant cars.

I would of stepped in and stopped them from driving my car like a moron on the rollers!!!


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[ctrlraven]

Valid info. Sorry I was referencing only 96+ OBD II compliant cars.

I would of stepped in and stopped them from driving my car like a moron on the rollers!!!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk so I may sound retarded.
Yeah I knew what you meant and were referring to.

I thought it was a dude trying to do the drive test, nope it was a female...

One of the DMV inspectors that comes to my shop is the director of the emission program here in Maryland, last time he came by he was complaining about some idiot at the port where vehicles get shipped in, there are four VW's running around Maryland with the same vin code in their computers. The idiot didn't clear the scanner before he scanned three other vehicles. :lol:

[massacre]

In MA if your car is OBD-I and I think '95 and older, it is safety only. They finally got rid of those terrible rollers. And all the shops that bought them kinda got screwed in the end. What a colossal waste of money.
I'm glad that MA went to safety only, I kept my old car and took a lot ball busting for it. Especially for the horizontal gauges lol which i happen to like. But it's nice to pull into an inspection station, lights, wipers, beep the horn, brakes, instant inspection sticker.

[J-MAN]

A cockroach can live several weeks with its head cut off, it dies from starvation!



Unlike this thread.

[IwantmyMMnow!]

...........

[massacre]

Yet you keep clicking on the thread and responding, keeping it alive. Do you not see the irony in that?

[J-MAN]

Yet you keep clicking on the thread and responding, keeping it alive. Do you not see the irony in that?

Can't........look.......away.. ......might......miss......the ......implosion......:eek:

Cough, cough...just getting my flags worth.

[Joe Walsh]

Maryland still does tail pipe sniffing if it's OBD1 and the vehicle has a standard (daily driver) registration, they just do idle and 2500 rpm test as they got rid of the rollers.
To avoid emissions, if the vehicle is 20 years or older it can be registered as Historic or Street-Rod (if it's been heavily modified) but limited to 4k miles a year and weekend/holiday use
but that really doesn't stop people from DD'ing heaps of junk ready to fall apart.

The last time my foxbody went in for emissions the person could barely drive it and I made them stop it and let me do it before it could jump off the rollers.



Chris, I had the exact same experience with my '84 Turbo! (before I got wise and re-registered it as 'Historic')
The idiot couldn't drive a stick shift smoothly and couldn't follow the computer screen's "drive curve" for $h*t....:mad2:
Kept lugging the engine, then getting into too much boost trying to catch up....etc.
Finally after 2 failed attempts he called over his supervisor, who had to run, and complete, the drive cycle test.....:shake:

And you are right about all those 'Historic' POS I see all the time being used as DDs to commute to work.
I bet Maryland gets smart soon and eliminates the 'Historic' tag option because of how many morons abuse it.

[IwantmyMMnow!]

Yet you keep clicking on the thread and responding, keeping it alive. Do you not see the irony in that?

This thread is full of irony...as is your post....:D

Post count +1!!!!:rolleyes: