Shifting Funny

[jwibbity]

Well I've noticed in the past week the trans has been shifting funny and progressively getting a little worse everyday.(At least i think its the trans) When accelerating at about 1/2 throttle it seems to shift quickly up to third and then stumbles into the TC lockup (hangs around 2K for a couple seconds then shifts into OD). When coasting (OD locked) in 3rd and 4th I can notice a certain vibration, more like grinding noise and when i get back on the gas it stumbles a little.

Haven't checked fluid level but it was changed sometime in 2012.....cant find the receipt

Trans was rebuilt at 61K, I am currently at 81K.

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Is there anyway to eliminate this being a possible engine issue, I currently have no CEL's or codes, OD light is not blinking or anything

[RF Overlord]

Does it feel like driving over rumble strips? Are you sure whoever changed the fluid used Mercon V?

[jwibbity]

Does it feel like driving over rumble strips? Are you sure whoever changed the fluid used Mercon V?

when coasting yes it does...... and as far as i know yes, the shop was an ASE certified shop highly recommended by car shops and dealers in the area

[fastblackmerc]

when coasting yes it does...... and as far as i know yes, the shop was an ASE certified shop highly recommended by car shops and dealers in the area

But did they use Mercon V? Could have used other fluid and added an additive to "make" it Mercon V.

Check the fluid level.

[RF Overlord]

when coasting yes it does...... Where I was going was the infamous torque converter clutch shudder, but that only happens on acceleration, not coasting or decel, and I've never heard of a misfire being felt on decel either.

Sounds like you have something more unusual happening...

[jwibbity]

Where I was going was the infamous torque converter clutch shudder, but that only happens on acceleration, not coasting or decel, and I've never heard of a misfire being felt on decel either.

Sounds like you have something more unusual happening...

It shifts rather fast and jumpy on acceleration, and sounds like it grinds on deceleration and coasting, but only in 3rd and 4th when the TC is locked, my A/F gauge pegs at 17.0 when coasting in 3rd and 4th, and stays at 14.9-15.0 when coasting in 1st and 2nd

[RacerX]

#1, Check fluid.
#2, Don't worry about AFR on any deceleration. The PCM tells the injectors to shut off on coasting in a typical tune. CFSO (Coasting Fuel Shut Off)
#3, The fact that 20k ago this trans was rebuilt is a bit worrisome. Who did the work and what was done?

[jwibbity]

#1, Check fluid.
#2, Don't worry about AFR on any deceleration. The PCM tells the injectors to shut off on coasting in a typical tune. CFSO (Coasting Fuel Shut Off)
#3, The fact that 20k ago this trans was rebuilt is a bit worrisome. Who did the work and what was done?

a place called coastal transmission in beaufort sc, it was a complete rebuild

[jwibbity]

checked fluid and it wasnt even reading on the dipstick and the very end of the stick had little pieces of black stuff on it (wasnt metallic more like paper)......:mad2:
went to autozone and added about a quart and a half before i got it into the crosshairs on the dipstick, car feels alot better now, but still seems to stumble a little engaging OD

is there anything i should look at replacing inside of the transmission since its been running like this for almost a year, probably the OD band:confused:

[Zack]

Sounds like you are in for another repair. It wont be cheap.

Check your fluids!

[jwibbity]

Sounds like you are in for another repair. It wont be cheap.

Check your fluids!

yea!!! well my pell grant money should be rolling in any day now, guess i can rebuild the tranny again :( :(

i was going to put that towards a forged shortblock.......:violin:

[Limited360]

Isn't a Pell grant supposed to go towards school? Hmmm we didn't qualify for anything for the wife for a Pell grant even... Pissed me off.


Black material is a bad sign. I agree with Zach, rebuild is in order without a doubt. If it's not a near term solution drain / change filter / new fluid at a min.


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[jwibbity]

Isn't a Pell grant supposed to go towards school? Hmmm we didn't qualify for anything for the wife for a Pell grant even... Pissed me off.


Black material is a bad sign. I agree with Zach, rebuild is in order without a doubt. If it's not a near term solution drain / change filter / new fluid at a min.


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usually it is but since my schooling is 100% payed for through the VA the pell grant comes back to me as a check

and should i get a complete flush of all fluid or just a drain and refill???

[fastblackmerc]

usually it is but since my schooling is 100% payed for through the VA the pell grant comes back to me as a check

and should i get a complete flush of all fluid or just a drain and refill???

Thread hijack on.

If you don't need the Pell grant for its intended purpose why take it?

Thread hijack hijack off.

[Limited360]

Thread hijack on.

If you don't need the Pell grant for its intended purpose why take it?

Thread hijack hijack off.


THIS THIS THIS! We can't get any financial aid and people do this... :mad2:

Done on that rant..


Do not flush it, just drain / change / filter / refill.... heard of more issues from flushes then change / drain...

[RF Overlord]

the very end of the stick had little pieces of black stuff on it (wasnt metallic more like paper)......Sounds like clutch material...

Fubar.

[jwibbity]

Thread hijack on.

If you don't need the Pell grant for its intended purpose why take it?

Thread hijack hijack off.

dont get mad at me the Finacial aid lady helped me do it.......and go tell every veteran using the post 9/11 gi bill to stop receiving pell grant money, its for low income people going to college, you qualify based on your income not how much your college is paid for

[jwibbity]

THIS THIS THIS! We can't get any financial aid and people do this... :mad2:

Done on that rant..


Do not flush it, just drain / change / filter / refill.... heard of more issues from flushes then change / drain...

like i said earlier pell grants are given out based on your income, i only made 22K dollars last year in the military so thats why i qualified for the full pell grant amount

but alright drain and refill will happen soon

[jwibbity]

Sounds like clutch material...

Fubar.

thats what i thought...so at a minumum new clutch plates

[RacerX]

Here's a 4R70W clutch and band application chart to figure out what clutches and/or bands are gone (looks possibly like direct clutch frictions):

[Limited360]

like i said earlier pell grants are given out based on your income, i only made 22K dollars last year in the military so thats why i qualified for the full pell grant amount

but alright drain and refill will happen soon

Its worth a shot to prolong the life, but if its noticeable even with correct fill amount its most likely wiped out that specific clutch set.

As long as your not gonna be one of the people whom complains about their student debt and spent half of it on frivolous things while in school... Know far to many people like that!
Last comment I promise.. I feel if you served for this country in the Military (not public office) you do deserve to have your school paid for. I think that is a good use of the tax payers money.

[jwibbity]

Here's a 4R70W clutch and band application chart to figure out what clutches and/or bands are gone (looks possibly like direct clutch frictions):

yea driving with the music off the whole way home today I realized its acting up in all gears, even when i start the car it revs to about 2K like normal but on the way down to idle it vibrates alot more than it should, then it settles at idle rpm and sounds normal,
thanks for the chart!!


Its worth a shot to prolong the life, but if its noticeable even with correct fill amount its most likely wiped out that specific clutch set.

As long as your not gonna be one of the people whom complains about their student debt and spent half of it on frivolous things while in school... Know far to many people like that!
Last comment I promise.. I feel if you served for this country in the Military (not public office) you do deserve to have your school paid for. I think that is a good use of the tax payers money.

yea ill try and get it drained and refilled along with filter replacement soon, and as far as student loans go I wont have any unless obama takes away the veterans benefits, but since we paid into it while on active duty, they kinda cant take it away.....hopefully:(

[jwibbity]

I would say I'm an beginner almost intermediate shade tree mechanic.....you guys think this is something I can do in my garage, i know certain specialty tools are needed but I think i could take it apart and diagnose the issue myself

just got off the phone with a trans shop local and they said a full rebuild would be around 2000 and thats back to oem specs, I would like to possibly do the upgraded internal along with the jmod, it seems I can get performance 4r70W rebiuld kits for less than 1000, but thats if i do the work myself

So what im really asking is how hard would it be to rip it apart and replace components with quality upgrades...??

http://www.monstertransmission.com/4R70W-SS-Mega-Monster-Transmission-Complete-Rebuild-Kit-1998-03_p_5243.html#.UwvgEIXAtOU
anybody heard of monster transmission?!?

[jwibbity]

bump to the top, need help making a decision this week on this transmission situation!:help:

[martyo]

bump to the top, need help making a decision this week on this transmission situation!:help:

Accelerate your plans to send it to me and I will have our in house trans guy take care of it. Seriously.

[MOTOWN]

Look into Lentec transmissions, if you don't know a competent trans builder, and what you do with your Pell grant is your business period!

[MOTOWN]

Accelerate your plans to send it to me and I will have our in house trans guy take care of it. Seriously.

Forgot about Martys guy, another great option

[Limited360]

Look into Lentec transmissions, if you don't know a competent trans builder, and what you do with your Pell grant is your business period!


I support taking it to a known builder or martyo since you already have a relationship with him.

Pell grants are for need based students to use for education / books / living expenses to support higher education. It's not money to build a transmission in a modified car. It's abuse of a loan program. If your tuition is paid why do you 'NEED' the Pell grant? I'm sorry but my taxes are helping to fund this program while we can't get anything... I don't live a lap of luxury. I have a mortgage, car payments and a $12k tuition bill to pay for the wife.


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[CWright]

Accelerate your plans to send it to me and I will have our in house trans guy take care of it. Seriously.


Forgot about Martys guy, another great option

+1^^ Marty's guy built mine last year! :2thumbs:

[fastblackmerc]

I support taking it to a known builder or martyo since you already have a relationship with him.

Pell grants are for need based students to use for education / books / living expenses to support higher education. It's not money to build a transmission in a modified car. It's abuse of a loan program. If your tuition is paid why do you 'NEED' the Pell grant? I'm sorry but my taxes are helping to fund this program while we can't get anything... I don't live a lap of luxury. I have a mortgage, car payments and a $12k tuition bill to pay for the wife.


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+1 on taking it to the Martyo......

Using a Pell Grant for other than it's intended use is wrong and taking advantage of us taxpayers. I'm sure there is someone out there that has a greater need for a Pell Grant.

I appreciate your service to our country, but didn't the military teach you anything about honor, respect, ethics?

Do you sleep well at night? Although I've never met you, I have no respect for you.

[jwibbity]

Accelerate your plans to send it to me and I will have our in house trans guy take care of it. Seriously.

I will be contacting you tomorrow about this....


Look into Lentec transmissions, if you don't know a competent trans builder, and what you do with your Pell grant is your business period!

they seem a little on the expensive side 2 grand for their least expensive and its only rated 300hp(locked)/400hp(unlocked)

I support taking it to a known builder or martyo since you already have a relationship with him.

Pell grants are for need based students to use for education / books / living expenses to support higher education. It's not money to build a transmission in a modified car. It's abuse of a loan program. If your tuition is paid why do you 'NEED' the Pell grant? I'm sorry but my taxes are helping to fund this program while we can't get anything... I don't live a lap of luxury. I have a mortgage, car payments and a $12k tuition bill to pay for the wife.


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well i dont feel like im abusing it, its just so happens my trans took a **** right at the time when I'm supposed to get the money.....and many students recieve the pell grant through checks to the individual, who knows what those students are doing with the money :confused:, I gave up 5 years of my freedom so that I can get paid to go to school afterwards, it was one of my main reasons for joining. I helped pay my own wage for the last 5 years which for the amount of work we do aint much. Our military is overworked and underpaid and this helps alleviate these things.....end of rant

[fastblackmerc]

I will be contacting you tomorrow about this....



they seem a little on the expensive side 2 grand for their least expensive and its only rated 300hp(locked)/400hp(unlocked)


well i dont feel like im abusing it, its just so happens my trans took a **** right at the time when I'm supposed to get the money.....and many students recieve the pell grant through checks to the individual, who knows what those students are doing with the money :confused:, I gave up 5 years of my freedom so that I can get paid to go to school afterwards, it was one of my main reasons for joining. I helped pay my own wage for the last 5 years which for the amount of work we do aint much. Our military is overworked and underpaid and this helps alleviate these things.....end of rant

Good justification for stealing from the country that gave you opportunities....... : shake: :shake:

[jwibbity]

+1 on taking it to the Martyo......

Using a Pell Grant for other than it's intended use is wrong and taking advantage of us taxpayers. I'm sure there is someone out there that has a greater need for a Pell Grant.

I appreciate your service to our country, but didn't the military teach you anything about honor, respect, ethics?

Do you sleep well at night? Although I've never met you, I have no respect for you.

:violin:people who have no idea what sacrifices our military members give up on a daily basis try and tell me about honor and respect??? not happening....when you have seen or done some of the stuff i have, then come talk to me.........and if your getting so butthurt about it write the government and get it changed...

[Limited360]

I will be contacting you tomorrow about this....



they seem a little on the expensive side 2 grand for their least expensive and its only rated 300hp(locked)/400hp(unlocked)


well i dont feel like im abusing it, its just so happens my trans took a **** right at the time when I'm supposed to get the money.....and many students recieve the pell grant through checks to the individual, who knows what those students are doing with the money :confused:, I gave up 5 years of my freedom so that I can get paid to go to school afterwards, it was one of my main reasons for joining. I helped pay my own wage for the last 5 years which for the amount of work we do aint much. Our military is overworked and underpaid and this helps alleviate these things.....end of rant


End of the day your committing fraud. You learned nothing from your service.

I'm with FBM. No respect for you and I hate saying that since you've served.

Good luck with trans and car. I'm done with this thread.


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[jwibbity]

Good justification for stealing from the country that gave you opportunities....... : shake: :shake:

how am i stealing

If you’re eligible for a Federal Pell Grant, you’ll receive the full amount you qualify for—each school participating in the program receives enough funds each year from the U.S. Department of Education to pay the Federal Pell Grant amounts for all its eligible students. The amount of any other student aid for which you might qualify does not affect the amount of your Federal Pell Grant.

[Limited360]

Be careful what you post online...

http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/oig/hotline.html


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[jwibbity]

Be careful what you post online...

http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/oig/hotline.html


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you can report me if you like, gi bills covers tuition and fees, pell grant goes to school but since tuition and fees are paid by the gi bill, the credit at the school is refunded to the student......

get as butthurt as you like, thats the way the system works, many other students (myself included) get refunds from the school after their scholarships and finacial aid pay for their schooling, you say im stealing but I'm not, taking the some of the money to fix my car that I use not only use to go to work but back and forth to school also........sounds like a school related expense to me...

now if i was taking the full pell grant and dumping that into my car to make it more to my liking then i could see you guys point

[jwibbity]

and good luck trying to say I'm abusing the money....haven't even received it yet....

[whitey]

Wow, this thread turned into crap...heres how i see it: worry about yourself, not others.
The man served his time, hes just making up for what he lost. What America needs to worry about how much government spending is going on, thats for complete pleasure. The president gets 100k every four years to remodel the white house, does he need it....no....but he still uses it. Do i care? Nope, because i worry about myself. Use your money how you want man. Thanks for keeping our freedom.

[Limited360]

you can report me if you like, gi bills covers tuition and fees, pell grant goes to school but since tuition and fees are paid by the gi bill, the credit at the school is refunded to the student......


The refund is still to be used for educational reasons (Food / living expenses) Someone with proper ethics would return the money. Hell the 7-11 clerk whom was honest about the $40 I dropped when I took money from the ATM this morning has better ethics than you when you paint yourself in this light. I called two hours later and said he was holding it for me. That is good ethics for ya.


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[Limited360]

Won't report ya. Not worth my time. Your a ripple in a pond of what's wrong with abuse of this system. I'll gladly keep paying my taxes in hopes the country can turn itself around.


Btw my Trans is built. Def a good upgrade if your running boost. Love how good I spin going into 2nd!!!

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[whitey]

Limited: What about the 5 years he spent making sure this country keeps its freedom? Instead of holding a gun, he could have gone through college, and been making good money by now, instead he took lousy pay for 5 years and as far as i see it he deserves a little extra. Dont hate the man because he was granted it and you weren't, thats jealousy. I want a trilogy, and because you have one, doesn't mean i hate you....just a very strong dislike:P

[jwibbity]

Wow, this thread turned into crap...heres how i see it: worry about yourself, not others.
The man served his time, hes just making up for what he lost. What America needs to worry about how much government spending is going on, thats for complete pleasure. The president gets 100k every four years to remodel the white house, does he need it....no....but he still uses it. Do i care? Nope, because i worry about myself. Use your money how you want man. Thanks for keeping our freedom.

exactly....


The refund is still to be used for educational reasons (Food / living expenses) Someone with proper ethics would return the money. Hell the 7-11 clerk whom was honest about the $40 I dropped when I took money from the ATM this morning has better ethics than you when you paint yourself in this light. I called two hours later and said he was holding it for me. That is good ethics for ya.


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please tell me how i would return the pell grant.....


Won't report ya. Not worth my time. Your a ripple in a pond of what's wrong with abuse of this system. I'll gladly keep paying my taxes in hopes the country can turn itself around.


Btw my Trans is built. Def a good upgrade if your running boost. Love how good I spin going into 2nd!!!

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it just seems your mad at me because my education is paid and your stuck with student loans.... what im doing is not wrong the government knows along with the finacial aid counselor that my tuition and fees are paid by the VA...if thats the case no veteran applying for school should be allowed to fill out a FAFSA

hopefully i can get my trans at least built to stand my current power level:banana:

[Limited360]

I've got no student loans. Paid mine off as soon as I could after I graduated with my degree at 21. I was not eligible for grants either due to my father being a small business owner and there was three of us in college at the time. Paid $60k off before I bought any toy cars so that I could afford them when they broke. Debt free and a next egg before I spent money on frivolous things.

I have an art carr deep pan, upgraded clutches and beefier overdrive setup. I'd have to dig up the specs. I also have a built rear end to make sure that wasn't the next thing to go out.


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[RacerX]

Rebuilding a transmission isn't something I would recommend to many. I did mine, but, one mistake and you have to take it all apart all over again. Check my thread out and see how confident you really are:
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=83454&highlight=4stb

Lay off the Pell Grant thing guys, at least he's working and going to school. There are just too many sucking the system dry not doing anything that are completely capable of contributing something back in.

[jwibbity]

I've got no student loans. Paid mine off as soon as I could after I graduated with my degree at 21. I was not eligible for grants either due to my father being a small business owner and there was three of us in college at the time. Paid $60k off before I bought any toy cars so that I could afford them when they broke. Debt free and a next egg before I spent money on frivolous things.

I have an art carr deep pan, upgraded clutches and beefier overdrive setup. I'd have to dig up the specs. I also have a built rear end to make sure that wasn't the next thing to go out.


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is that all thats upgraded over stock?? Ive seen kits with all that plus some for alot less than what a rebuild would cost....

[MOTOWN]

This is exactly why I do not post much on this site anymore, too many piss poor azz members who are mad at the world they are not where they care to be in life! Who needs this BS!

[IwantmyMMnow!]

Then I guess all those 'hating' on jw can add me to the list. My school is paid for in full, I get a housing allowance, AND I qualify for Pell Grants. In fact, I received a check from the university 2 weeks ago because I qualified for their state education lottery grant (in addition to what I already received).

This is one of the entitlements earned to those who serve...whether it's 4 years or 24....after putting down an initial investment into the system when you are sworn in ($1200 in my case back in 1991).

So go ahead and point fingers....and yes, I sleep just fine at night.

You guys are missing the point....we only get this money if we go to school full-time.

[Limited360]

is that all thats upgraded over stock?? Ive seen kits with all that plus some for alot less than what a rebuild would cost....


Kit is plus the rebuild correct? Kit is just the parts. Still the labor time. This is also a good time to put a stall converter in to match the blower.

I would never do an autotrans unless I had done it before.


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[Limited360]

This is exactly why I do not post much on this site anymore, too many piss poor azz members who are mad at the world they are not where they care to be in life! Who needs this BS!


Ignorant comment.

Who said anything about not being where they need to be? I'm recently promoted and climbing the ladder.

Just healthy discussion.


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[jwibbity]

Rebuilding a transmission isn't something I would recommend to many. I did mine, but, one mistake and you have to take it all apart all over again. Check my thread out and see how confident you really are:
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=83454&highlight=4stb

Lay off the Pell Grant thing guys, at least he's working and going to school. There are just too many sucking the system dry not doing anything that are completely capable of contributing something back in.

it doesnt look too hard, i would just take pictures just incase i get lost, my biggest challenge at my house woud be getting the transmission in and out of the car....

[RacerX]

Then you are more confident and mechanically inclined than most. :beer: You'll go places!

[Limited360]

it doesnt look too hard, i would just take pictures just incase i get lost, my biggest challenge at my house woud be getting the transmission in and out of the car....


Yeah a hoist would make things easier. Lucky I got 10 hoists at my disposal... Well 12 including the two at the office we are allowed to use after hours. Comes in super useful!


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[MOTOWN]

Ignorant comment.

Who said anything about not being where they need to be? I'm recently promoted and climbing the ladder.

Just healthy discussion.


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What's ignorant is your not minding your own business! We don't know each other and I could care less what you think, focus on your own life, and not others.

[Limited360]

My father repair shop sends Trans rebuilds out to local shops and his mechanics have been there for 30 years and I'd trust them to do anything on a car. Just one thing you wanna do right and be done in my eyes.


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[jwibbity]

This is exactly why I do not post much on this site anymore, too many piss poor azz members who are mad at the world they are not where they care to be in life! Who needs this BS!

naw its not that i dont think, we just had different opinions on the government funded programs


Then I guess all those 'hating' on jw can add me to the list. My school is paid for in full, I get a housing allowance, AND I qualify for Pell Grants. In fact, I received a check from the university 2 weeks ago because I qualified for their state education lottery grant (in addition to what I already received).

This is one of the entitlements earned to those who serve...whether it's 4 years or 24....after putting down an initial investment into the system when you are sworn in ($1200 in my case back in 1991).

So go ahead and point fingers....and yes, I sleep just fine at night.

You guys are missing the point....we only get this money if we go to school full-time.

yup veterans FTMFW!!! its still the initial $1200 still


Kit is plus the rebuild correct? Kit is just the parts. Still the labor time. This is also a good time to put a stall converter in to match the blower.

I would never do an autotrans unless I had done it before.

Im always up for a challenge

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[Limited360]

What's ignorant is your not minding your own business! We don't know each other and I could care less what you think, focus on your own life, and not others.


I am indeed. We were discussing repair and he mention his funding. It's just a discussion. Relax buddy. Obviously you care as you keep responding!


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[jwibbity]

Then you are more confident and mechanically inclined than most. :beer: You'll go places!

compared to F/A18 aircraft these things are dreams to work on...


Yeah a hoist would make things easier. Lucky I got 10 hoists at my disposal... Well 12 including the two at the office we are allowed to use after hours. Comes in super useful!


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i was looking at possibly getting some new equipment in the stable to help with this and future marauder endeavors..

[Limited360]

Yeah we have 8 bays at the family business, both brothers have hoists and two at the office. I got lucky. Now that's a better investment for the Pell grant. :) bwahahah :)

No hating here and I have respect for those who serve. I just hate abuse of the system of any shape or form!

Just build it right and be done... But make sure it's on the road for Louisville!!!!


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[RacerX]

compared to F/A18 aircraft these things are dreams to work on...
Nice! Love the Hornets! I've seen those, A-10s, F-16s and Intruders do live fire at the Naval Weapons Center, China Lake when I was younger. My oldest was a crew chief of a C17 for 2 years. :)

Hijack! :D

[Bluerauder]

In defense of a fellow soldier, the OP is well within the rules of both the VA and the Department of Education.

Read below and educate yourselves. Pell Grants are awarded based on financial need using the FAFSA application. They are NOT restricted to tuition and are therefore NOT reported to VA. VA covers the tuition and the school cuts a check to the student for the balance of the Pell Grant. This money may be used for fees, books, transportation, meals, living expenses, or anything that the student wishes. Technically, the MM transmission would be covered under transportation. He has done nothing wrong. No fraud and no stealing involved. You may NOT like it ..... but those are the current rules.


You can use Pell Grants with your GI Bill. Your school will need to determine whether or not another type of grant can be used with the GI Bill. The rule is that the Post 9/11 GI Bill is always the last payer of tuition. Any grants/scholarships that are restricted to only paying tuition/fees must be applied to your tuition/fee charges prior to the amount of tuition/fee charges being reported to Dept. of VA. Pell Grants are not restricted to only being used to pay tuition/fees - so they do not count against what is reported to the VA to pay the school.



CFDA Number: 84.063
Also Known As: Pell Grants; formerly called Basic Educational Opportunity Grants (BEOGs)

PROGRAM DESCRIPTION

The Federal Pell Grant Program provides need-based grants to low-income undergraduate and certain postbaccalaureate students to promote access to postsecondary education. Students may use their grants at any one of approximately 5,400 participating postsecondary institutions. Grant amounts are dependent on: the student's expected family contribution (EFC) (see below); the cost of attendance (as determined by the institution); the student's enrollment status (full-time or part-time); and whether the student attends for a full academic year or less.

Students may not receive Federal Pell Grant funds from more than one school at a time.

Financial need is determined by the U.S. Department of Education using a standard formula, established by Congress, to evaluate the financial information reported on the Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA) and to determine the family EFC. The fundamental elements in this standard formula are the student's income (and assets if the student is independent), the parents' income and assets (if the student is dependent), the family's household size, and the number of family members (excluding parents) attending postsecondary institutions. The EFC is the sum of: (1) a percentage of net income (remaining income after subtracting allowances for basic living expenses and taxes) and (2) a percentage of net assets (assets remaining after subtracting an asset protection allowance). Different assessment rates and allowances are used for dependent students, independent students without dependents, and independent students with dependents. After filing a FAFSA, the student receives a Student Aid Report (SAR), or the institution receives an Institutional Student Information Record (ISIR), which notifies the student if he or she is eligible for a Federal Pell Grant and provides the student's EFC.

Federal Pell Grants are direct grants awarded through participating institutions to students with financial need who have not received their first bachelor's degree or who are enrolled in certain postbaccalaureate programs that lead to teacher certification or licensure. Participating institutions either credit the Federal Pell Grant funds to the student's school account, pay the student directly (usually by check) or combine these methods. Students must be paid at least once per term (semester, trimester, or quarter); schools that do not use formally defined terms must pay the student at least twice per academic year.

[Limited360]

BTW what are you going to school for anyways? Just curious.

I am always looking for potential candidates for calibration to hire. We prefer to hire veterans when we can as they typically have excellent work standards.

[jwibbity]

Yeah we have 8 bays at the family business, both brothers have hoists and two at the office. I got lucky. Now that's a better investment for the Pell grant. :) bwahahah :)

No hating here and I have respect for those who serve. I just hate abuse of the system of any shape or form!

Just build it right and be done... But make sure it's on the road for Louisville!!!!


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That's the plan, hopefully I can still make it


Nice! Love the Hornets! I've seen those, A-10s, F-16s and Intruders do live fire at the Naval Weapons Center, China Lake when I was younger. My oldest was a crew chief of a C17 for 2 years. :)

Hijack! :D

They are wonderful to watch at shows and junk but they are nightmares to work on

[RacerX]

If you truly are interested in attacking this yourself:
(wittrans.com for parts btw)

[jwibbity]

BTW what are you going to school for anyways? Just curious.

I am always looking for potential candidates for calibration to hire. We prefer to hire veterans when we can as they typically have excellent work standards.

Going for my bachelors in electronic engineering

[jwibbity]

In defense of a fellow soldier, the OP is well within the rules of both the VA and the Department of Education.

Read below and educate yourselves. Pell Grants are awarded based on financial need using the FAFSA application. They are NOT restricted to tuition and are therefore NOT reported to VA. VA covers the tuition and the school cuts a check to the student for the balance of the Pell Grant. This money may be used for fees, books, transportation, meals, living expenses, or anything that the student wishes. Technically, the MM transmission would be covered under transportation. He has done nothing wrong. No fraud and no stealing involved. You may NOT like it ..... but those are the current rules.

Thanks for the clarification

[jwibbity]

If you truly are interested in attacking this yourself:
(wittrans.com for parts btw)

Thanks downloading and saving these now

[Limited360]

Going for my bachelors in electronic engineering

Well when done get a hold of me if you want to do vehicle calibration. A hands on car guy is best person to get to start as a calibrator. Sick of the useless grad students with no hands on experience we have hired lately. I put my foot down about that recently!

[jwibbity]

Well when done get a hold of me if you want to do vehicle calibration. A hands on car guy is best person to get to start as a calibrator. Sick of the useless grad students with no hands on experience we have hired lately. I put my foot down about that recently!

Will do, thanks...... now about motown, :lol:

[jwibbity]

well back to the topic at hand here are my options:

1. Have local shop repair/rebuild trans most offering warranty but back to OEM specs(with current power level and upgrades coming down the road i really don't want it back to stock specs)
2. Buy already built transmission online most coming with warranties and made to handle all the power I probably will ever see (but this requires me taking out the trans and installing new my myself, without a lift in my garage this will be a PITA, I've also helped do it on other cars before.)
3. Buy performance rebuild kit and replace things myself(once again no lift, requires buying certain speciality tools, and no guarantee I do it correctly:D)
4. Send car to martyo with or without performance kit and have him do his thang!!! lol (but 4 1/2 hour drive or tow)


I'm leaning towards steps 2 & 4 since I know the trans's will be built to my liking and last a lot longer given i check the fluids every once and a while :rolleyes::rolleyes:

But option 1 offers me the fastest and most convenient way to get my car back on the road.

and with option 3 I save the most money even though there is a lot more room for error on my part.

:help::help:

[lji372]

free money = buy it done :lol:

[whitey]

Option 4. Any of those ways you spend money, id rather spend the money, know it was done right, and not be worried about if and when its going to break again. This way your confident that you can drive it anywhere. Transmissions arent a bolt on part man, theres a bunch of stuff to be correct, or it falls apart. I wouldn't attempt to touch the innards of my tranny with a 10 ft pole, some stuff is better left to a professional.

[jwibbity]

just got off the phone with mo's speed shop, thats looks like the best bet right now, if im going to spend at least 2K on a trans, I might as well make it bulletproof........

[Limited360]

free money = buy it done :lol:

I support this decision as well! Top the fluid up.... drive it to Martyo's...

Done and Done!

[Limited360]

just got off the phone with mo's speed shop, thats looks like the best bet right now, if im going to spend at least 2K on a trans, I might as well make it bulletproof........

I would have to look at the bill but I think my trans build was ~$2700 for parts and labor out the door. Shifts like a dream and lays rubber like it should!

[jwibbity]

I would have to look at the bill but I think my trans build was ~$2700 for parts and labor out the door. Shifts like a dream and lays rubber like it should!

thats about the range i was thinking also, it sucks thats its my fault though.....

[Limited360]

thats about the range i was thinking also, it sucks thats its my fault though.....

I get laughed at cause I change my fluids way more often than required.. but I also check them every time I drive the car (trans and engine). Every chance I get to put the car in the air (every two weeks or so in summer) I check for leaks and check my rear diff too.

I may have OCD but my ***** lasts!

[jwibbity]

I get laughed at cause I change my fluids way more often than required.. but I also check them every time I drive the car (trans and engine). Every chance I get to put the car in the air (every two weeks or so in summer) I check for leaks and check my rear diff too.

I may have OCD but my ***** lasts!

I think I'm going to be a little more strict on my fluid checks and maintenance on mine and the wifes car

[Limited360]

I think I'm going to be a little more strict on my fluid checks and maintenance on mine and the wifes car

With it being so low on fluid... did you notice any leaks or puddles? Being off the dipstick is down a fair amount.

[jwibbity]

With it being so low on fluid... did you notice any leaks or puddles? Being off the dipstick is down a fair amount.

nothing actually, the car has been parked in the same spot every night since novemeber and havent noticed any puddles......it could be that little plastic plug that covers up some gear, saw it mentioned somewhere in another transmission thread could just be leaking when its warmed up, with it dripping while im driving???......

[Limited360]

nothing actually, the car has been parked in the same spot every night since novemeber and havent noticed any puddles......it could be that little plastic plug that covers up some gear, saw it mentioned somewhere in another transmission thread could just be leaking when its warmed up, with it dripping while im driving???......

If you look under the car I would assume you would see fluid down the underbody or at least down the trans somewhere. I am not sure of the plug you are referencing however.

How much did you put in it to get it up to the proper reading? Did check it after a ~10 mile drive as well right?

Don't get me wrong material in there is not good regardless. Just double checking :)

[jwibbity]

If you look under the car I would assume you would see fluid down the underbody or at least down the trans somewhere. I am not sure of the plug you are referencing however.

How much did you put in it to get it up to the proper reading? Did check it after a ~10 mile drive as well right?

Don't get me wrong material in there is not good regardless. Just double checking :)

it was about a quart and a half of fluid to get it to the correct place on the dipstick, i checked when i drove from autozone back to work (3 miles)and when i drove home(20miles) and it seemed to be maintaining....

[lji372]

I get laughed at cause I change my fluids way more often than required.. but I also check them every time I drive the car (trans and engine). Every chance I get to put the car in the air (every two weeks or so in summer) I check for leaks and check my rear diff too.

I may have OCD but my ***** lasts!

Btw could you start saving your almost almost new oil for me :D

:lol:

[Limited360]

Btw could you start saving your almost almost new oil for me :D

:lol:



Mobil 1 always too ;) Its cheap insurance my friend! CHEAP!

[jwibbity]

Mobil 1 always too ;) Its cheap insurance my friend! CHEAP!

i use amsoil for both of my cars

[whitey]

I use baby oil for some things

[jwibbity]

I use baby oil for some things

baby oil plus friction equals:flamer:

[RacerX]

baby oil plus friction equals:flamer:
Depends on RPM! :banana2:

[lji372]

i use amsoil for both of my cars

Maybe down grade a notch and buy some trans fluid :eek:

J/K

sorry about your misfortune

[vegasmarauder]

In fairness to him, I have noticed if you pull the stick out a few times and put it back in the inside of the tube gets coated with fluid and it can make the stick look like it's full.

I have to pull it, wipe, insert, wipe, etc a few times to get an accurate reading. I have found one MM that the person said it was full and it was almost 2 quarts low (spun up in neutral when hard stopping or hard turning).

The multiple bends in the MM tube may have somethign to do with this.

[jwibbity]

just to be sure i checked about 5 times in a row......insert, wipe, insert, wipe....etc.

[justbob]

Don't rule out that numerous sensors such as MAF, TPS, speed sensor, and many others are what control the trans and torque converter. I realize you found debris, but that would definitely not be my first time seeing some junk in a low on oil perfectly running trans with a faulty sensor. (Usually the very same sensor that is the root cause of the early wear)


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Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
"Since 2004"

[88grandmarq]

Sent you a PM.

[RF Overlord]

A drain & fill takes just about 3.75 quarts (4 if you drop the pan and replace the filter). I simply replace that much and confirm that the level is approximately right on the dipstick, then wait a couple of days to check it more accurately and adjust as necessary. Checking it right after refilling gives wonky readings.

[martyo]

Sent you a PM.

Where in NW GA is your business?

[Marauderjack]

A drain & fill takes just about 3.75 quarts (4 if you drop the pan and replace the filter). I simply replace that much and confirm that the level is approximately right on the dipstick, then wait a couple of days to check it more accurately and adjust as necessary. Checking it right after refilling gives wonky readings.

"WONKY READINGS".......ahem........ please translate into "Southernese" for me Bob!!:confused::D

[IwantmyMMnow!]

"WONKY READINGS".......ahem........ please translate into "Southernese" for me Bob!!:confused::D

Crazier than a cow walking into the butcher shop?

[jwibbity]

Don't rule out that numerous sensors such as MAF, TPS, speed sensor, and many others are what control the trans and torque converter. I realize you found debris, but that would definitely not be my first time seeing some junk in a low on oil perfectly running trans with a faulty sensor. (Usually the very same sensor that is the root cause of the early wear)


Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
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is there anyway to check these sensors without removing and replacing them or is that the most efficient way to troubleshoot these things


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A drain & fill takes just about 3.75 quarts (4 if you drop the pan and replace the filter). I simply replace that much and confirm that the level is approximately right on the dipstick, then wait a couple of days to check it more accurately and adjust as necessary. Checking it right after refilling gives wonky readings.

I checked it two days later if that counts..........

[RacerX]

If it was me, I would pull the pan, pull that filter and see what debris is in it. Post up some pics if possible. If there's not much in there, put in a new filter and fluid. Easy, cheap first step to see what if any damage is in there imo.

[RF Overlord]

"WONKY READINGS".......ahem........ please translate into "Southernese" for me Bob!!:confused::Dfrom Merriam-Webster:

Definition of WONKY

1
British : unsteady, shaky
2
chiefly British : awry, wrong

I watch a lot of British comedies on PBS a lot of programs on BBC America as well, so some of the colloquialisms have crept in...

[jwibbity]

If it was me, I would pull the pan, pull that filter and see what debris is in it. Post up some pics if possible. If there's not much in there, put in a new filter and fluid. Easy, cheap first step to see what if any damage is in there imo.

yea have to figure out how to get the pan off without swimming in trans fluid......no drain plug for this guy......

[whitey]

Pull the line going to the tranny cooler, the line closest to the outside/ wheel is the 'out' from the pan. Start the car, and turn off when the fluid start sputtering. Helps to have 2 people. At this point most of the fluid is out of the pan...your next step is to put a drain plug in it. Local flaps should have a drain plug kit ~$3, with a hollow bolt and nut that locks onto a hole you drill into the pan, and a smaller bolt that screws into the hollow bolt that serves as the drain plug.

[justbob]

is there anyway to check these sensors without removing and replacing them or is that the most efficient way to troubleshoot these things..

Yes. Data logging, wiggle test, testing the sensors themselves. Never just throw parts at it.

Here is a good article for testing some of it. Most of it is using a simple multimeter.

http://easyautodiagnostics.com/index_ford_4.6L_5.4L/index_of_articles_1.php

Everything else can be found on google.



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[jwibbity]

Yes. Data logging, wiggle test, testing the sensors themselves. Never just throw parts at it.

Here is a good article for testing some of it. Most of it is using a simple multimeter.

http://easyautodiagnostics.com/index_ford_4.6L_5.4L/index_of_articles_1.php

Everything else can be found on google.



Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
"Since 2004"

so technically i can drive around data logging all appropriate sensors to see if their ok??? I've only done it once before for the fuel pump..

and dont usually when these sensors go bad they throw codes and junk......it wasnt like it just started out of nowhere, it got progressively worse to where its stuck at now..

[justbob]

Mostly sensor testing and no, many times it refuses to throw codes. Not saying you don't have a bad trans, just reminding you it is commanded by the PCM to do everything it does with input fed to it by a number of sensors and the info they are providing.

One example, just having a bad brake light switch or burned out bulbs can stall your engine while stopping by not unlocking the torque converter.. Thats how in depth something's can be.

There is also copies online of the 4R70/75 Ford shop manual that give in depth descriptions of symptoms and related causes.

Google makes everybody an expert. :)


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[RacerX]

I'm definitely not trying to dissuade you from Bob's ideas, but, basic facts are:
Trans is acting wonky. ;)
Found it was low on fluid.
Found some material, possibly friction material.

[lji372]

I'm definitely not trying to dissuade you from Bob's ideas, but, basic facts are:
Trans is acting wonky. ;)
Found it was low on fluid.
Found some material, possibly friction material.

So what your saying is flush it with marvels mystery oil :confused:

[Limited360]

So what your saying is flush it with marvels mystery oil :confused:


I agree on changing filter and fluid...

Once there is material on this stick you can bet it's all through the valve body... :(


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[jwibbity]

the car and trans will be in very capable hands in about 5 hours! :banana2:

[jwibbity]

for all those who were following this thread, I will have the car back next weekend. Trans has been built to withstand my current and hopefully future power levels

Rear Lube Mod
Marauder/Mach Street/Strip Converter, 3K Stall
Upgraded and Added appropriate clutch packs
Upgraded OD Band
Adding Drain Plug to pan
All new seals and everything soft
J-Mod

Pretty Much everything in this article
http://tccoa.com/articles/tranny/transmission/page2.shtml

[jwibbity]

o yea forgot.....

upgraded U-joints (mine were pretty worn out)
Driveshaft High Speed Balance

maybe this will fix my 120mph vibration :D :D

http://mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=91470

[License2Bill]

Glad to hear you got this sorted out man.
My Eaton parts are on hold for a few paychecks to save up for a bullet proof transmission first. I've been having similar issues for over a year now and I know I'm on borrowed time

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