Alignment spec's

[Logizyme]

I hear that there is a consenseus on a set of alignment spec's that is different than the actual specfications, but I cant seem to find them here anywhere.

What spec's do you guys align your cars to.

I'm also going to be lowering my car via Naake/QA1, could be anywhere between 1/4 and 1 inch, How low do you think one could go and sucessfully align the car to these specs using the factory cam bolt before an aftermarket cam bolt would be required - assuming everything is straight.

I'm just looking for opinons, I've aligned my cars, and plenty of panthers in the past, never any lowered, I'm not asking what to do just trying to get ideas to draw my own conclusion.

[WPG_Merc]

Mine was aligned with Carfixers specs.:banana:

[Logizyme]

^ Yeah, thats what I keep hearing, I just cant find the actual specs.

[fastblackmerc]

^ Yeah, thats what I keep hearing, I just cant find the actual specs.

If I was on my PC at home I'd be cut'n'paste them for you.

Google " mercury marauder carfixer" and you'll find the specs.

I'd print them out as it explaines why not to use the factory specs.

[Comin' in Hot]

you're going to need SPC camber bolts

[Limited360]

Get the SPC bolts and don't look back. I need to get off my arse and order them for my car... I want to go lower and camber is to far out already, maxed on stock bolts at -2.0


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[Logizyme]

If I was on my PC at home I'd be cut'n'paste them for you.

Google " mercury marauder carfixer" and you'll find the specs.

I'd print them out as it explaines why not to use the factory specs.
Thanks FastBlackMerc,

This look right?
Camber: -.3 to -.5 degrees.
Toe: Zero degrees.
Caster: 5-6.5 degrees positive with .3 degree lead on the right side.



you're going to need SPC camber bolts

Get the SPC bolts and don't look back. I need to get off my arse and order them for my car... I want to go lower and camber is to far out already, maxed on stock bolts at -2.0

I did not ask that, but thanks for the info.

[Limited360]

Thanks FastBlackMerc,

This look right?
Camber: -.3 to -.5 degrees.
Toe: Zero degrees.
Caster: 5-6.5 degrees positive with .3 degree lead on the right side.




I did not ask that, but thanks for the info.


FYI this is on naake's and I want to drop more...

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/20/2y7esu7y.jpg


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[Logizyme]

FYI this is on naake's and I want to drop more...


Also not what I asked, but thanks, your car looks good.

[Limited360]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Motorcitymarauder+carfixer+ specs


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[Limited360]

Should be good to go. This fixed my suspension woes on my previous car


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[fastblackmerc]

Thanks FastBlackMerc,

This look right?
Camber: -.3 to -.5 degrees.
Toe: Zero degrees.
Caster: 5-6.5 degrees positive with .3 degree lead on the right side.




I did not ask that, but thanks for the info.

Those are the correct specs.

[TP Derrick D]

FYI this is on naake's and I want to drop more...

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/20/2y7esu7y.jpg


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Like the lowered way your car sits. I know cut coil in front but how you get it lower in rear with air ride? Or do you have rear springs now?

[Limited360]

Factory bags, naake adjustable shocks, and shorten harder bump stops.,


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[lifespeed]

Thanks FastBlackMerc,

This look right?
Camber: -.3 to -.5 degrees.
Toe: Zero degrees.
Caster: 5-6.5 degrees positive with .3 degree lead on the right side.


I prefer:
Camber: -.5 to -.7 degrees.
Toe: Zero degrees.
Caster: 5.5-6.5 degrees positive matched within 0.2 side to side.

I am not a believer in adjusting for the "crown of the road" with caster and have run the camber specs above for many, many years with good tire wear. Some negative camber helps cornering on these cars. As does lowering, stiff springs, sway bars and better shocks ;)

[jimbok1951]

38456

Gave shop Carfixer's specs. Before & after results. What do you members with knowledge think of the outcome ? Thanks

[lji372]

Not sure what all that means but love the name of the shop!

Took mine in with carfixer specs and the fellow didn't say I needed any special bolts to achieve my goal. :dunno:

[jimbok1951]

38456

Gave shop Carfixer's specs. Before & after results. What do you members with knowledge think of the outcome ? Thanks

Again, Opinions Please, need to keep the new tires true. Thanks.

[fastblackmerc]

Why couldn't they get the right side caster within specs?

Why would they even let it out of the shop like that?

[RubberCtyRauder]

Not sure what all that means but love the name of the shop!

Took mine in with carfixer specs and the fellow didn't say I needed any special bolts to achieve my goal. :dunno:


Jerry, not everyone is aware that SPC (also avail, thru tirerack and summit racing) has a camber bolt kit for CV, GM, Marauder (all the same) My alignment shop has spc as a supplier and I was the one who told them about them. So he says..time for upgraded catalog...and my shop is old school..no lasers and printouts.."real" alignment guys with turntables etc..They are alwasy booked..and I wouldn't change their ways for any of the electronic places around here.

[lji372]

Jerry, not everyone is aware that SPC (also avail, thru tirerack and summit racing) has a camber bolt kit for CV, GM, Marauder (all the same) My alignment shop has spc as a supplier and I was the one who told them about them. So he says..time for upgraded catalog...and my shop is old school..no lasers and printouts.."real" alignment guys with turntables etc..They are alwasy booked..and I wouldn't change their ways for any of the electronic places around here.

Same here:
http://locations.autovalue.com/MI/MT.-CLEMENS/08044-02/?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=Maps&utm_campaign=Google+Places

Recommended by Lidio. No digital equipment, old school. No appointment no service. Like a time warp.

Oh my opinion, if the numbers don't match car fixer specs it's not right. Maybe go to a real alignment shop :run:

[lifespeed]

38456

Gave shop Carfixer's specs. Before & after results. What do you members with knowledge think of the outcome ? Thanks

It is a sloppy alignment. Camber should be at -0.5 and matched within 0.1 side to side. I like the total toe closer to 0 also, not toed in -0.16. They should get the caster a little closer side to side also.

[jimbok1951]

Again, Opinions Please, need to keep the new tires true. Thanks.




OK, With the comments from members here and then meticulously going over the numbers I brought the MM back and discussed my concerns. Got it back today and am real pleased, he road tested it and no pulling and steering wheel right on. He stated he is now well versed in Marauders from removing the flags to hitting the wanted specs. He has a new, state of the art Hunter alignment machine. Nick said to share with your fellow members and I will give them what they want. Anybody looking to hit the Carfixer specs give Nick a call (shop info on attachment), good people to deal with. Do all agree with attachment numbers ? I am happy and just in time for my Carlisle run this weekend.

Thanks

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[lifespeed]

That alignment should get you good tire wear and drive reasonably well. However, since you asked for opinions, I have learned (and I think many members here agree, including the famous Carfixer) that these cars handle noticeably better with some negative camber. You don't have any, the factory alignment typically had too much.

In my experience -0.5 degrees is a good compromise and what I always run. Tire wear is still excellent with noticeably improved cornering grip.

[MOTOWN]

That alignment should get you good tire wear and drive reasonably well. However, since you asked for opinions, I have learned (and I think many members here agree, including the famous Carfixer) that these cars handle noticeably better with some negative camber. You don't have any, the factory alignment typically had too much.

In my experience -0.5 degrees is a good compromise and what I always run. Tire wear is still excellent with noticeably improved cornering grip.

Dayuum we actually agree! very well said, spot on!:bows:

[jimbok1951]

Here you go:

Description:
Courtesy of Carfixer

The inside edge wear of the front tires is caused by 2 things: negative camber and negative toe (toe out). Caster is not a tire wearing angle. The outside edge wear can be caused by excessive toe in and aggressive cornering.

Factory camber spec is -.5 degrees or- .75 degrees
Factory toe spec is -.15 degrees or- .20 degrees
(BTW, this info came from their website which is updated periodically and may differ from previously published material, such as cd's and paper manuals)

That means your alignment could have -1.25 degrees of camber and toe out of -.35 degrees and still be in the green. This will wipe out the inside edges in 20K miles IMO.

All of the MM's I've aligned (about 10) had at least -1.0 degrees of camber and always toe out of -.10 degrees or more from the factory. That's why almost all MM's you see have excessive inside edge tire wear.

For best tire wear, here is what I use on all MM alignments:
Camber: 0 to -.3 degrees.*
Toe: Zero degrees.
Caster: 5-6.5 degrees positive with .3 degree lead on the right side.

*Camber can affect cornering feel. The more negative camber you have, the better it will handle corners. Most drivers will never feel the difference, especially on the street.

What can I say I gave the shop these specs to hit Camber 0 to -.3 and he hit them 0 and -.2 looked good to me and that is what Carfixer stated. I am no alignment specialist but he hit the specs, I am happy. Shop did a great job in my opinion.

Thanks

[8UWITH6]

So much discussion on alignments. Make the toe ZERO, as in the total toe ZERO. Camber as positive as possible no matter what kind of suspension you have. Caster? F*&K caster. As long as its within a half degree its fine. My cars Caster is dead even no issues drifting at all. Glad the shop was cool and helped you out. :) Looks like the last one is a winner but I would have wanted a little negative camber for handling. Just my opinion.