2014 Eaton Swap Thread Pics and Future Questions

[tbone]

I'm sure if you put out a want as you could find a stock converter for 100 bucks


Rock Auto has refurbished ones for $98.

Tim was thinking about the SW cats unraveling as another possibility.

[Blackened300a]

Rock Auto has refurbished ones for $98.

Tim was thinking about the SW cats unraveling as another possibility.

I'm going to place my bet and say that's what happened. My tuner removed the rear 02 and saw the cat internals through the hole. It actually destroyed my rear 02 when it unraveled and made it's way back to the H pipe.

[Zack]

Cats are off my blue, and I'm removing them from the black too

[tbone]

Cats are off my blue, and I'm removing them from the black too

What about emissions testing?

[RacerX]

Uhhhh... Did I see a pic when you had the breather on the drivers side valve cover you had the pcv hooked up to the intake on the passenger side??? If I'm correct, that would cause you to go lean once you open up that throttle blade. Unmetered air. Your tuner should have seen this right off.


Here:

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[tbone]

Yes, it has been corrected. Thank you for your input.

When is the breather a good idea anyway? Why does Metco sell them specifically for the MM? I've never really had a great grasp on the how's and whys of breathers but thought they were supposed to be a good thing.

I hollowed out (removed the little plunger thingy) the pcv valve on the passenger side per someone's recommendation. Is that a bad idea too? Should I put a new one on, back to stock?

[RacerX]

You only want to use two breathers or none. Breathers can be ok unless you have a lot of blowby. With 5w20, you can get a lot of oil dribbling down all the time. Get a new PCV valve. You don't want to mess with it. As-is, there is a spring that keeps it open at low or no vacuum and at high vacuum, it gets drawn towards the very low pressure side against the spring and actually closes. Maybe a slight notch to let a slight amount by may be ok, but, best not to mess wit it. I think the millions of dollars by all the automotive engineers may have it better than us on this. Have fun bro! :beer:

BTW!!! You want the PCV valve on the drivers side and just the tube (like the 03/04 cobra) on the passenger side. Because of the way you had it, you likely didn't draw a lot of unmetered air in. Lucky on Friday the 13th! :)

[tbone]

BTW!!! You want the PCV valve on the drivers side and just the tube (like the 03/04 cobra) on the passenger side. Because of the way you had it, you likely didn't draw a lot of unmetered air in. Lucky on Friday the 13th! :)

So that's the way I have it now. A pcv valve connected to musclemercs catch can on the DS and a tube connected to the hollowed out pcv on the PS. And ditched the breather.

[RacerX]

Perfect! :D :beer:

[justbob]

Yes, it has been corrected. Thank you for your input.

When is the breather a good idea anyway? Why does Metco sell them specifically for the MM? I've never really had a great grasp on the how's and whys of breathers but thought they were supposed to be a good thing.

I hollowed out (removed the little plunger thingy) the pcv valve on the passenger side per someone's recommendation. Is that a bad idea too? Should I put a new one on, back to stock?


I started doing this on Bawazirs car a couple tree years ago.. Someone? Pfft. Thanks pal!

I was wondering what the hell you had a breather for?


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[tbone]

I started doing this on Bawazirs car a couple tree years ago.. Someone? Pfft. Thanks pal!

I was wondering what the hell you had a breather for?


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Because I'm not very bright. :depress:

[justbob]

Because I'm not very bright. :depress:


Your special to us.


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[Zack]

Your special to us.


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'You're'

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[tbone]

I learned a lot in this process. I'm glad I did it myself (much more satisfying) and that I had you guys to help me along. It's hard to believe that not long ago it looked like this.....
I'm sure with the latest tweaks Tim will have it nailed down tight. I just can't stand the wait....

[Lpd20]

Just a note to anyone doing or planning the eaton swap. If I had looked around better I could have saved myself $90.00 on the upper and lower pulley kit. I bought mine from Metco after reading the Eaaton Swap sticky and never shopped around. However just a couple of days ago I was looking to order a new intercooler and talked with Mark at Lightning Force Performance and found out they sell the same pulley kit for $90 less than what I paid. Mark was very helpful to me and even gave me free shipping on the intercooler I ordered.

My eaton swap is 95% complete now and my point is SHOP AROUND for the best deal. You'll save yourself hundreds in the long run.

Got my brackets from Jerry and they are outstanding!

[tbone]

DON'T USE THE WASHERS THAT COME WITH METCO'S PULLEY KIT. THEY BREAK IF YOU OVERTIGHTEN THEM!

When I finally get my car back, I'm pulling all the washers where the pulley attaches to the hub and replacing them.

[justbob]

DON'T USE THE WASHERS THAT COME WITH METCO'S PULLEY KIT. THEY BREAK IF YOU OVERTIGHTEN THEM!

When I finally get my car back, I'm pulling all the washers where the pulley attaches to the hub and replacing them.


I've installed a few sets without fail Tom? I just ram them in equally with red loctite and my gun. Never a problem wobbling, breaking, or backing out. How the hell did you break them?


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[tbone]

I've never broken washer in my life. When I figured out that my supercharger and tensioner were not the problem with the noise, I pulled the lower pulley and found a piece of the broken washer when backing out the screws. You tell me how a washer just snaps like that. Not bent or bulged out. Broken clean 90 degrees. I should have taken a picture of it.

[chief455]

I have not read this entire thread but will say:
kudos for taking the swap on yourself!
I learned a lot from members here, enough to know I did not want to do this.
I grasp the concept and gathered the right pieces, but just too easy to make one small but critical error. I learned the hard way messing with my Procharged car - things go boom IN AN INSTANT.
Marty tuned my Roadrunner 10" 3500 stall perfectly, yours should not even be an issue.
Sounds like you right at the goal line.....

[tbone]

Chief - You have a Roadrunner converter too that works great? Finally someone else that has one! I've been very happy with mine N/A and think it proves you don't have to spend big $$$ on a TC to get the results you want.

Yes, I am at the goal line. I don't expect any issues on the last pulls.

Thanks for the kudos.

[chief455]

Chief - You have a Roadrunner converter too that works great? Finally someone else that has one! I've been very happy with mine N/A and think it proves you don't have to spend big $$$ on a TC to get the results you want.

Yes, I am at the goal line. I don't expect any issues on the last pulls.

Thanks for the kudos.
I got my convertor on your suggestion in a thread last year ;)
I prefer slightly looser stall speeds than most street guys.
But this one is hardly noticeable during regular driving.
It works flawlessly and with the blower - it just slips through town at light throttle, hits firm at mid/full throttle with zero lag off idle.
Best $345 spent. I'd want a stronger convertor with more engine power, but these seem fine under their 450rwhp rating.
I've bought B&M, TCI etc and they sucked in regards to working stall speeds.
Good luck on your final tuning - it is what makes the car.

[tbone]

Great to know. Thanks for sharing this with me.

[tbone]

Tuner promised he would do it this week, even if he has to stay late.

Thank God!:beer:

[RKHiPerformance]

Just a note to anyone doing or planning the eaton swap. If I had looked around better I could have saved myself $90.00 on the upper and lower pulley kit. I bought mine from Metco after reading the Eaaton Swap sticky and never shopped around. However just a couple of days ago I was looking to order a new intercooler and talked with Mark at Lightning Force Performance and found out they sell the same pulley kit for $90 less than what I paid. Mark was very helpful to me and even gave me free shipping on the intercooler I ordered.

My eaton swap is 95% complete now and my point is SHOP AROUND for the best deal. You'll save yourself hundreds in the long run.



I want to make a quick comment on this...The Metco Motorsports parts were never intended to be the cheapest, and they never will be. The Metco parts are the originals - the design was developed by us, and they are manufactured right here in the United States (Anderson, SC) using certified materials and proven processes. Our parts are not made for us by a local job shop or by an overseas manufacturer. Additionally, anyone who has ever needed assistance with our products before or after a sale knows that I am accessible and willing to help.
This is not an attack on LFP or any other particular retailer. I am just stating facts about our business.

With regard's to Tom's broken lockwasher...We have been using the same stainless steel high-collar lockwashers for both Ford & GM supercharger pulleys for 15 years, and we have thousands in use without failure. Obviously, we do not make them, and the possibility of one being defective is unlikely but not impossible (I suppose). It is unfair to state that these washers are 'garbage' as stated in Tom's email to me.

[MOTOWN]

Metcos quality is second to none! there products are the best!

[tbone]

I apologize but you have no idea of the heartache and sleepless nights I went through over this, only to find a partial snapped washer. Did you see the video I posted of the noise it was making?

I immediately sent you guys an email about it and it was ignored. You indicated above that you got that email. You could have responded and I would not have said a word on here.

So there it is. Answer your emails.

[justbob]

I want to make a quick comment on this...The Metco Motorsports parts were never intended to be the cheapest, and they never will be. The Metco parts are the originals - the design was developed by us, and they are manufactured right here in the United States (Anderson, SC) using certified materials and proven processes. Our parts are not made for us by a local job shop or by an overseas manufacturer. Additionally, anyone who has ever needed assistance with our products before or after a sale knows that I am accessible and willing to help.
This is not an attack on LFP or any other particular retailer. I am just stating facts about our business.

With regard's to Tom's broken lockwasher...We have been using the same stainless steel high-collar lockwashers for both Ford & GM supercharger pulleys for 15 years, and we have thousands in use without failure. Obviously, we do not make them, and the possibility of one being defective is unlikely but not impossible (I suppose). It is unfair to state that these washers are 'garbage' as stated in Tom's email to me.


Truth! You have always done me good Rick! (Remember the latest help on the pinion angles you emailed me?) Thanks again! Taken a few good whippings since!


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[tbone]

This goes all the way back to June 3rd. 3 weeks.

Who would guess 1 snapped washer on the harmonic balancer would cause all that noise? How do you snap a washer anyway? Clean 90 degree break. Imagine cutting 1/3 out of a donut with a knife. That's what I found left. Seriously, I would really like to know.....

If there are no answers then I personally have no use for those washers and I will remove them from my car and advise others to do the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqw0mb5P6QQ&feature=youtu.be

[tbone]

BTW, I have your control arms, safety loop, Eaton pulley kit and breather (that I was unmercifully mocked for having.) $1000 worth of stuff.

[justbob]

This goes all the way back to June 3rd. 3 weeks.

Who would guess 1 snapped washer on the harmonic balancer would cause all this noise? How do you snap a washer anyway? Clean 90 degree break. Imagine cutting 1/3 out of a donut with a knife. That's what I found left. Seriously, I would really like to know.....

If there are no answers then I personally have no use for those washers and I will remove them from my car and advise others to do the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqw0mb5P6QQ&feature=youtu.be


Probably just a bad casting Tom. You are now modded. Get used to the little things in life that happen and smile! :) Trust me, I've dealt with Rick and his pretty wife for years now and met them in person in Atlanta. GOOD people and great venders! Did you check your junk mail?? They always respond immediately or answer the phone.










Can I get a watts link for the free plug??? :D that would complete me... :wink:


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[tbone]

I'm happy with their products. $1000 to date as I said. I want the watts link when I have the coin.

Not returning an email on a matter of this importance I have no patience for. If he had responded, he would have said so above. All the prep and money I spent came down to a 25 cent washer, and I am ignored when I report it to the vendor.

In the meantime I spent $150 on a Rousch tensioner I did not want to buy plus $35 to ship it in 2 days. I was down to the wire on my dyno appt. and was desperate to get it fixed. But in the end it was a f******g washer.

[8UWITH6]

Not to be a butt head but get used to it. Modding cars is a *****. Aftermarket parts are in fact.......... aftermarket. If wouldnt be fun if everything fit and fell into place the first time (if you sense my sarcasm). I truly am sorry you had an issue with your install. But dont place blame on a great vendor that provides us with parts & services that allow us to do what we love. Just think, without Metco, you wouldnt have a blown Marauder................ next time pick up the phone and call instead of firing off emails. Emails are impersonal, a phone call could have changed this entire situation. Just my .02 sir. Hope you get it all sorted out.

[8UWITH6]

Probably just a bad casting Tom. You are now modded. Get used to the little things in life that happen and smile! :) Trust me, I've dealt with Rick and his pretty wife for years now and met them in person in Atlanta. GOOD people and great venders! Did you check your junk mail?? They always respond immediately or answer the phone.










Can I get a watts link for the free plug??? :D that would complete me... :wink:


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Pretty wife with a VERY PRETTY Turbo Buick Powered Monte SS FTMFW! Great meeting both last year at the Buick GS Nationals in Kentucky. I hope everything works out for both parties.

[RKHiPerformance]

...Not returning an email on a matter of this importance I have no patience for...

Your email was not ignored. We all read it. Consider the possibility that it was the tone of your email that made me choose not to respond.

I do not understand how a single failed lockwasher could cause the noise heard in your video, when there are multiple fasteners involved. I suspect something was left loose or came loose, and the movement of the parts (the noise in the video) destroyed the washer. In any case, I'm not asking you to respond. This will be my last post in this thread.

[tbone]

If my tone wasn't to your liking, consider the situation and unbelievable strain I was under. Yes, I was probably in a bad mood when I wrote that message. All I said is that the washers provided are garbage in a very high priced kit. Not exactly earth shattering.

The Eaton is brand new. The bracket too. Then 3 brand new tensioners were tested. Everything was tight as a drum. I finally replaced the washer(s) and the noise went away immediately. Finding a snapped off washer was the final straw. If I had left it loose, It would have disappeared long before I took it all apart.

Reading an email and not responding to it is ignoring it. You should have provided some kind of response, imho.

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

Regardless if you think an email is impersonal or not, sounds like some real top notch quality customer service to ignore a customer's complaint and then admit to it publicly IMO.

[tbone]

Why don't you test one? Put one in a vise. Hit it with a hammer. If it breaks off clean then it's brittle and should not be part of the kit. It may save someone else the worry and endless sleepless nights sand sh*****ng a brick that they had a very serious problem with their car. I really don't think you understand what I went through. You're just worried about an email that hurt your feelings. Sheesh.

[tbone]

Your email was not ignored. We all read it. Consider the possibility that it was the tone of your email that made me choose not to respond.

I do not understand how a single failed lockwasher could cause the noise heard in your video, when there are multiple fasteners involved. I suspect something was left loose or came loose, and the movement of the parts (the noise in the video) destroyed the washer. In any case, I'm not asking you to respond. This will be my last post in this thread.

I just realized you have been a member on here for over 6 years and only posted 23 times. 23 times? In 6 1/2 years? Now that's real involvement and support of the MM community here........that you profit handsomely from.

Yet you find the time to b**** about an email and blame me for your defective hardware?

:censor:
:censor:

[Zack]

I would bet money the supposed problems would never have occurred had the threads been chased before installation.
Iron after 10+ years exposed to the elements does not fare well.
I suggest leaving this alone.
Washers don't just snap in half

[MOTOWN]

I would bet money the supposed problems would never have occurred had the threads been chased before installation.
Iron after 10+ years exposed to the elements does not fare well.
I suggest leaving this alone.
Washers don't just snap in half

Exactly what i was thinking! pointless to continue beating this dead horse!:shake:

[tbone]

I ran screws through with PB Blaster after a soaking, backed them out and then installed the hub. Zack, if I said it snapped, it snapped. I'm pulling the rest of the washers when I get the car back this week. I'll snap a couple and post pics.

No dead horse here. Don't like being blamed for a defective part or a bad install.

[8UWITH6]

Dont know what to say besides suck it up and move on. Whats the status on the dyno?

[tbone]

Promised this week.

[8UWITH6]

Promised this week.

Cant wait to hear the results.

And dont worry, I am about to do what you did. And with my luck Ill have 3 times the "issues". But it will be worth it.......... just like your car will be when its all dialed in sir.

[justbob]

Didn't you mention it wobbling when you first ran it??


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[tbone]

Must have been the broken washer.

[Zack]

Must have been the broken washer.

If you take five seconds to think of that comment you will realize it is completely impossible

[tbone]

Then tell me how I had a snapped washer laying in there when I unscrewed it Zack. And how everything was fine when I screwed it all back together with split washers. You know everything. Tell me.

[tbone]

Didn't you mention it wobbling when you first ran it??


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I don't know if it wobbled from the very beginning. I was driving to my son's house when the noise started. I am 1000% positive I had those 3 bolts tightened down as tight as I could get them, within reason of course. I even took the time to look on the backside of the balancer to see that the bolts were equally screwed through. And the wobble was very slight. Rev it just a little and it was invisible.

[tbone]

Just got this message from Tim at MPH when I asked for an update:

"It gained 57rwhp removing the o2's.. He is swapping the cats out. Everything is seized up so he is having a tough time getting the pipes apart".

What is the deal with SW cats?

Good thing I dropped off the extra pipes just in case the cats had to come off.

[Zack]

You drive it all year. Corrosion
Stainless does wierd things too

[tbone]

No testing in my brother's area in Dunlap, IL. Looks like I live in Dunlap from now on.

[tbone]

I switched my address, but I also picked up some Mil eliminators from American Muscle. Told Tim to leave the rear 02 sensors on. Should be getting the car back tomorrow. He said they over tightened the clamps, causing it to be hard to get apart. Those clamps that come with the kit can only get so tight with the way they are designed so.......whatever.

Can't seem to get hold of the Stainless Works guy through pm's. What is the guy's name again?

[Zack]

Tom, have him make you 2 tunes. One off, one on.

Only use the on tune for emissions

[tbone]

Good idea.

[justbob]

http://stainlessworks.net/index.php/contact.html

Curious on your results. My power feels down lately, more than usual summer time related. Take off and passing still hurts the spine, but as I stay in it, it just seems to lack the normal hard pull.


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[sflrainmaker01]

Just got this message from Tim at MPH when I asked for an update:

"It gained 57rwhp removing the o2's.. He is swapping the cats out. Everything is seized up so he is having a tough time getting the pipes apart".

What is the deal with SW cats?

Good thing I dropped off the extra pipes just in case the cats had to come off.

I might have missed it, but did you post the final dyno results? How does the car drive now that it's been tuned?

[tbone]

414 rwhp 404 rwtq
Supposedly my torque converter is "loose", so the number is actually higher. Plus many agree that MPH's dyno is on the light side calibrating hp and tq numbers.

[8UWITH6]

Sorry to hear this. Im worried about finding a "tooner" here in my area as well.................

[tbone]

Going tomorrow for some final tweaks.

[tbone]

I pulled the alternator to battery ground and the voltage immediately went to 11 volts. Put back on and right back up to 14 volts. Thanks to Chitown for figuring this out. Make sure to use heavy gauge wire when you guys do this. I used 2 wires, I think 10 gauge or so. I can never remember gauge numbers. 1 wire still got pretty hot. 2 wires and no heat at all.

I'm going to ground it to the chassis instead of the battery.

[tbone]

Got it tweaked. Running awesome. Tim says my car is fast as sh**. He thinks it probably is in the 430 to 440 rwhp range. Same for torque. Bad voltage and IAT setup was ruining the MAF and timing. Obviously.

A couple more small tweaks over emails and it will be perfect. :burnout:

[tbone]

Before and after.

Damn that stock pic is fugly.

[jwibbity]

414 rwhp 404 rwtq
Supposedly my torque converter is "loose", so the number is actually higher. Plus many agree that MPH's dyno is on the light side calibrating hp and tq numbers.

im guessing you should at least be at 450 easy with headers and full 2.5" exhaust

[tbone]

im guessing you should at least be at 450 easy with headers and full 2.5" exhaust

I'm no expert but it feels pretty damn fast and Tim seemed really impressed with it.

[lji372]

:woohoo:

Good luck wiping that smile off your face :D

[jwibbity]

I'm no expert but it feels pretty damn fast and Tim seemed really impressed with it.

well if your good with it, let em' rip:burnout::burnout:

[tbone]

:woohoo:

Good luck wiping that smile off your face :D

As soon as I line up against a Challenger SRT8 and wipe their ass my life will be complete.
:banana2:

[tbone]

A guy in a 2000 or so Firebird V8 Formula something or other tried to race me at a light on the way to the tuner this morning. He was with his fat girlfriend in a convertible. He is probably still pissed that I humiliated him as I write this.

[lji372]

Haha

Are your rear wheels widened.......yet? :)

[justbob]

He thinks it probably is in the 430 to 440 rwhp range. Same for torque.


Sorry to hear buddy.. :( :cry:











J/K! :tongue:


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[tbone]

Haha

Are your rear wheels widened.......yet? :)


With my 255 Nitto's and Metco control arms, my hookup is actually quite good! :burnout:

[tbone]

On the plastic cover for the radiator, etc., there are 3 plastic retainers that hold it on. One popped off and is lost forever. Anyone know the part number?

[tbone]

How hot does the intercooler coolant get? I drove 60 miles and it was still just barely above lukewarm. Drove fairly aggressively too on the back roads.

[jwibbity]

On the plastic cover for the radiator, etc., there are 3 plastic retainers that hold it on. One popped off and is lost forever. Anyone know the part number?

me too.......

[tbone]

im guessing you should at least be at 450 easy with headers and full 2.5" exhaust

I can live with that....:D

[fastblackmerc]

On the plastic cover for the radiator, etc., there are 3 plastic retainers that hold it on. One popped off and is lost forever. Anyone know the part number?

PM me your address. I think I have extras.

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

As soon as I line up against a Challenger SRT8 and wipe their ass my life will be complete.
:banana2:

When will the ass wiping begin?

;)

[Marauderjack]

As soon as I line up against a Challenger SRT8 and wipe their ass my life will be complete.
:banana2:

Why in the world wouldn't you rather BLOW their doors off??:eek::shake:

[justbob]

Or pull up to a modded one and be in for an embarrassing shocker.. Remember, they have been out now for a number of years..


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[tbone]

lol

I know I'll lose to a modded one. I just want to line up next to an SRT8 with little to no mods and have the guy sneer at my gigantic car, and then WIPE HIS ASS. I will use nitrol gloves, so no worries.

[Blackened300a]

How hot does the intercooler coolant get? I drove 60 miles and it was still just barely above lukewarm. Drove fairly aggressively too on the back roads.

It won't get as hot as coolant. My IATs after driving hard under boost only got up to 130*. As long as it's circulating, you'll be fine.

[sflrainmaker01]

Before and after.

Damn that stock pic is fugly.


Looks awesome! Looks like there was a lot of cleaning going on in addition to the Eaton Swap!

Hopefully, it can be tweaked to 450rwhp! That would be cool! But, but as long as the SOTP meter is pegging, that is all that really matters!

Does that new blower have a nice whine?

[tbone]

That old pic was from when I was bone stock. And I always kept it cleaner than that. Probably taken in the middle of winter or something. I wanted to show a big contrast.

Yes it has a nice whine to it. Not as loud as I thought it would be which makes me happy. Not a huge whine fan.

It very well may have 450 rwhp. I would have to wait until the end of July to have it put back on the dyno. Street tune will have to do.

[sflrainmaker01]

That old pic was from when I was bone stock. And I always kept it cleaner than that. Probably taken in the middle of winter or something. I wanted to show a big contrast.

Yes it has a nice whine to it. Not as loud as I thought it would be which makes me happy. Not a huge whine fan.

It very well may have 450 rwhp. I would have to wait until the end of July to have it put back on the dyno. Street tune will have to do.

tbone, two dumb questions. With all the aggravation, was it worth it doing it yourself? Second, is it all you expected or more, performance wise?

[tbone]

Yes and yes. Good days, bad days. Success and failure. Dumb mistakes? You bet! In the end, hell yeah, it's worth it. There's great satisfaction in doing things yourself rather than just paying someone to do it or buying a "built" car. I've learned a lot during this. I couldn't have done it without this forum, a few key members like Guspech, Justbob, Eric, Bill and Zack, (sorry if I forget anyone) and a former member named Musclemerc.

The car is a beast. A few more tweaks in the tune is all that's needed. No biggie. Reliability.....we'll see. I'll be going to the track when my schedule allows.....

Many, many thanks to all!

[sflrainmaker01]

Yes and yes. Good days, bad days. Success and failure. Dumb mistakes? You bet! In the end, hell yeah, it's worth it. There's great satisfaction in doing things yourself rather than just paying someone to do it or buying a "built" car. I've learned a lot during this. I couldn't have done it without this forum, a few key members like Guspech, Justbob, Eric, Bill and Zack, (sorry if I forget anyone) and a former member named Musclemerc.

The car is a beast. A few more tweaks in the tune is all that's needed. No biggie. Reliability.....we'll see. I'll be going to the track when my schedule allows.....

Many, many thanks to all!

Yeah, I know about the satisfaction of doing it yourself part. :bows: Sometimes time is the biggest problem for me though. I bet the track guys will be in for a surprise when you roll in this time! Good Luck! :burnout:

[jwibbity]

Yes and yes. Good days, bad days. Success and failure. Dumb mistakes? You bet! In the end, hell yeah, it's worth it. There's great satisfaction in doing things yourself rather than just paying someone to do it or buying a "built" car. I've learned a lot during this. I couldn't have done it without this forum, a few key members like Guspech, Justbob, Eric, Bill and Zack, (sorry if I forget anyone) and a former member named Musclemerc.

The car is a beast. A few more tweaks in the tune is all that's needed. No biggie. Reliability.....we'll see. I'll be going to the track when my schedule allows.....

Many, many thanks to all!

all in all I would have loved to do it myself but being in the military didnt give me much free time plus it was and is still on DD status. but congratulations on getting it finished...nothing like saying you built it yourself.

[tbone]

Yeah, I know about the satisfaction of doing it yourself part. :bows: Sometimes time is the biggest problem for me though. I bet the track guys will be in for a surprise when you roll in this time! Good Luck! :burnout:

Too many 15+ hour days to list......no food, barely anything to drink. I tend to get so focused in I barely take time to go to the bathroom!

Not trying to take away from the guys that had it done for them. I'm just a DIY guy when I can. Sometimes you have to call in the pros though.

[sflrainmaker01]

Too many 15+ hour days to list......no food, barely anything to drink. I tend to get so focused in I barely take time to go to the bathroom!

Not trying to take away from the guys that had it done for them. I'm just a DIY guy when I can. Sometimes you have to call in the pros though.

Yep! Once I started working at a dealership, free time got cut in half! It was much easier/faster to pay someone a few bucks and then you are back on the road in no time. I do miss the wrench time though.
Congrats on your finished product! :) Hopefully, I'll join you and the boosted others soon!:burnout:

[RacerX]

Sorry to have to correct you, but, if you're in front, they Chevy should be wiping your ass. All you have to do is get in front and drop the deuce, let him wipe. :P

[tbone]

Sorry to have to correct you, but, if you're in front, they Chevy should be wiping your ass. All you have to do is get in front and drop the deuce, let him wipe. :P

Good thinking Bill! :banana2:

[tbone]

Here's one of the Metco washers I was talking about. Put it in a vice and bend it down and back and it snaps. Just too brittle, imho, at least it caused a lot of pain for me. Just FYI. Take it for what it's worth.

Why it broke in my case, I am still waiting for answers.

[Jeronimojc]

Here's one of the Metco washers I was talking about. Put it in a vice and bend it down and back and it snaps.


Don't know the context, but I am not surprised ^^. Washers aren't designed to bend.


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[tbone]

Don't know the context, but I am not surprised ^^. Washers aren't designed to bend.


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Try bending a heavy duty split washer in a vice with your fingers and get back to me.

[tbone]

I would bet money the supposed problems would never have occurred had the threads been chased before installation.
Iron after 10+ years exposed to the elements does not fare well.
I suggest leaving this alone.
Washers don't just snap in half

See above.

[Jeronimojc]

Try bending a heavy duty split washer in a vice with your fingers and get back to me.


Split washers? Yeah, I am sure split washers are designed to take some springing (bending).


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[lji372]

I have never seen a washer snap while being used as intended.

If it was correctly seated there wouldn't have been wiggle room for it to break. Perhaps the hub wasn't seated all the way and you thought it was. Then the hub started bouncing back and forth like a wheel with loose lug nuts and caused the washer to snap.

Just my observation..............

And yes split/spring washers are hardened and will snap when bent too far.


http://www.itpbolt.com/products/washers/washer-lock-split-alloy.pdf