K&N to do R&D on my car

[dailydriver]

:up:
Dropping the MM off at K&N's r&d facility Monday morning. They are going to design one of their FIPK systems for our cars. They expect to keep my car 3-5 days for fitment and testing purposes.

I will post more info when it becomes available.

[Constable]

Wahoo !!!! Way to take one for the team. They giving you a setup for your troubles? I just ordered an Accufab MAF adapter and K&N cone... might have to swap them out when the kit hits the sales floors.

[dailydriver]

They are going to provide a rental car for while mine is down. And I get one of the kits when production begins.

[gonzo50]

They are going to provide a rental car for while mine is down. And I get one of the kits when production begins.
Way to go dailydriver, a FIPK on the house.
We are very fortunate here on this site that we have members all over the USA that are willing to contribute there time and effort and Marauder for a good cause, (Power, Torque, ect...), can't wait for the results to come out. :up:

[woaface]

They are going to provide a rental car for while mine is down. And I get one of the kits when production begins.
Awesome stuff!

[MarauderMark]

Wahoo !!!! Way to take one for the team. .



Yes way to go !!!!! :bounce: Please keep us posted cause i want one too... :up:

[darebren]

you'll get a free one for sure, plus rental car!? man I wish I lived Edelbrock! :beer:

[Marauder57]

Great job man!!! I am looking forward to that bad boy!!!! Yessssir!

I hope you will give us a full report!

[CRUZTAKER]

It's about time the folks at K&N woke up and smelled the Marauder.:up:

[Ross]

Yee Haw! Can't wait to see the results!

[David JP]

Yes way to go !!!!! :bounce: Please keep us posted cause i want one too... :up:Yea, me toooooo!!!!!!!

[MENINBLK]

:up:
Dropping the MM off at K&N's r&d facility Monday morning. They are going to design one of their FIPK systems for our cars. They expect to keep my car 3-5 days for fitment and testing purposes.

I will post more info when it becomes available.


Cool Deal !!
How did you spy this ?

I can smell a GROUP BUY in our future...

[dailydriver]

Dropped off the MM this morning at the R&D facility. Man, that is one nice shop. They said they should be done with the car before the end of the week.

In the mean time, they gave me a Dodge Interpid rental. Just the drive to work makes me miss the MM. This is going to be a long week...

[darebren]

I can hear the neutral drops from here on that rental car!

[Haggis]

I can hear the neutral drops from here on that rental car!


...and they love it when you take it 4-wheelin'.

[GarageMahal]

...and they love it when you take it 4-wheelin'.

Reminds me of my younger years. I was in AZ and they would not rent me a 4x4 because I was under 25. Needless to say, I took that poor Lumina everywhere I would have taken a 4x4.

jta

[dailydriver]

I spoke to the guys at K&N and they are set to be done with the MM testing today. :bounce:

BUT, I can't get out there to pick it up until Monday morning. :mad:

[2003 MIB]

I spoke to the guys at K&N and they are set to be done with the MM testing today. :bounce:

BUT, I can't get out there to pick it up until Monday morning. :mad:

Did they hint at how the testing was going?

[dailydriver]

:banana:

I can not begin to tell you how great it felt to side back behind the wheel of my MM today after driving that %$^@*!#% Interpid for a week. What a truly great car we all have. :beer:

Back to the business at hand...

The guys at K&N were very pleased with the results of their R&D. They picked up 7-8 horsepower at the wheels. They anticipate a few more ponies with the production piece as the interior walls of the tubes are smoother.

They are expecting to have the kit ready in 4-6 weeks. At that time, they may want my car back to get a final fitting and dyno run before releasing the kits to the public. I will keep you guys posted when that time comes.

They made 255 RWHP on the chasis dyno with my car. :bounce:

[RF Overlord]

WOOHOO!

I may not agree with their oiled flat-panel product, but if K&N can give me 10 or so RWHP for the same price as a set of Steeda pulleys, then I'm all for it...

keep us posted on developments and projected cost, eh?

Way to step up to the plate, dailydriver... :up:

[Ross]

Dailydriver, did you actually see these parts on your car? What did the kit consist of?

[RF Overlord]

I forgot to ask...see if you can get the before-and-after dyno sheets when they fit the finished product on your car...

[DEW34]

You think they might be intrested in agroup buy ? by the response you have gotten from this posting id say theirs a alot of mmers intrested
mike

[Ross]

OK, it's been a week since the last post. What's the news on this?

[2003 MIB]

OK, it's been a week since the last post. What's the news on this?

You're reading my mind, Ross. I just checked out the K&N website- no new news.

[dailydriver]

When I picked up my car, they were going to send the prototype out to be made by their vendors to their specs. This process usually takes 4-6 weeks before they get the first piece in production quality trim. From there, they will contact me in order to test fit the final pieces and perform a few dyno runs to make sure nothing has changed. After the piece passes their tests, then they will release it to the public.

They were also expecting another MM in their shop to make sure they could repeat their installation procedure and produce similar improvements.

I will update this post when they contact me. Expect that this will take another 3 to 5 weeks.

[Cobra25]

When I picked up my car, they were going to send the prototype out to be made by their vendors to their specs. This process usually takes 4-6 weeks before they get the first piece in production quality trim. From there, they will contact me in order to test fit the final pieces and perform a few dyno runs to make sure nothing has changed. After the piece passes their tests, then they will release it to the public.

They were also expecting another MM in their shop to make sure they could repeat their installation procedure and produce similar improvements.

I will update this post when they contact me. Expect that this will take another 3 to 5 weeks. Thank you for the updates. Sounds like this will be a hot item, 8-10 rwhp sound's good to me.

[Marauder57]

Man this is going to be a LONG 3-5 Weeks.

I am looking forward to this mod....I might actually do it myself... :lol:

It will be nice to get one of these set ups....I look through MMFF's all the time and it seems like everyone else has one but our Marauders!

Good Job Dailydriver! :up:

[bigslim]

I would be very interested in this. Can't wait to hear more from you and K&N.

[tmac1337]

Seems like a good modification for the price, I'll take another 10 rwhp anyday!

[CRUZTAKER]

Well I said it would never happen....I sure am glad I was wrong. I can't thank you enough for persuing this Dailydriver. :up:
I gave up in the summer of 2003.
I am excited to see the dyno sheets, and more so to see this product marketed. If I did gain 8-10 hp, man-o-man, that would put me right where I need to be....312 rwp in an n/a car....oh my, I just shiver! :burnout:

BTW: I'm in on the first group buy if this happens.

[Ross]

Not having heard the details of this package, I'm assuming it is some sort of cold air kit with a large K&N conical air filter. For those of us who are already using the large filter, I wonder how much extra we will gain from the cold air shield alone, if that's actually what is going to be in this kit?

[2003 MIB]

Not having heard the details of this package, I'm assuming it is some sort of cold air kit with a large K&N conical air filter. For those of us who are already using the large filter, I wonder how much extra we will gain from the cold air shield alone, if that's actually what is going to be in this kit?

I fabricated my own heat shield around the conical K&N. I can't tell a difference...I guess I was reacting to the idea of increased underhood temps. from the headers. I also haven't seen any numbers comparing the conical K&N to the stock box. Maybe we're feeling the placebo effect from the increased intake noise. I don't know...Anyone?

[2003 MIB]

I am excited to see the dyno sheets, and more so to see this product marketed. If I did gain 8-10 hp, man-o-man, that would put me right where I need to be....312 rwp in an n/a car....oh my, I just shiver!

Me too! I just got this email from Paul's High Performance:
"Sorry for the delayed reply - This is our really busy season!!! The High Flow airbox is $249 with pre-filter. Good for 18 rwhp and 14 lb-ft of torque. Really nice unit! Going up on the website today, 04/29."

God, I love options....

[MENINBLK]

Me too! I just got this email from Paul's High Performance:
"Sorry for the delayed reply - This is our really busy season!!! The High Flow airbox is $249 with pre-filter. Good for 18 rwhp and 14 lb-ft of torque. Really nice unit! Going up on the website today, 04/29."

God, I love options....

What's the website address ?????

[Logan]

Stay tuned for upcoming info on Paul's HP... ;) I've been busy.

[2003 MIB]

What's the website address ?????

www.paulshp.com

[Ross]

This looks really interesting, and they have the dyno sheet posted on their page, although it's pretty small and difficult to read. If you can really get 18 RWHP for around $250.00, that sounds like a good deal to me.

OK, somebody either confirm or refute the following analysis:

Our cars started out at about 240 RWHP. A chip (or tune), while improving shift points, etc., may or may not actually ADD HP, right?

Pulleys will add anywhere from 12-15 HP. Now we're up around 250-255 HP.

A better exhaust (Kook's or Reinhart) will add upward of 30 HP. Now we're up around 280-285.

This kit, assuming it works out as advertised, will add around 18 HP. So we're up over 300 RWHP.

I know that every car is different, and YMMV, but if the above is close, we could all have over 300 RWHP with a very few mods. Going with the lower cost exhaust, all of the above could come in less than $2,000.00 to add 60 or more HP.

I know that this is a rather simplistic way of looking at this, and I don't suggest that this is a course that everyone should follow, but as far as it goes, does the above sound realistic?

[2003 MIB]

OK, somebody either confirm or refute the following analysis:


Okay, I'm going to respectfully refute. Here's why- I used to think the same way and the logic that horsepower is an addition problem is sound however the application is flawed. Items tested individually on a stock Marauder are just that. One mod does X on the dyno. Packaged mods. (pullies, headers, programming) introduce too many variables to calculate with addition. I prefer the great quarter mile equalizer- it either runs better or it doesn't.

[Glenn]

My personal experience over the past year and reading hundreds of website messages is that a dyno flash tune (or chip - not as good), UDP, DR (or MR or Kooks) E/S and the new PHP air box should indeed put most MM over or very close to 300 HP.

Glenn

[CRUZTAKER]

My personal experience over the past year and reading hundreds of website messages is that a dyno flash tune (or chip - not as good), UDP, DR (or MR or Kooks) E/S and the new PHP air box should indeed put most MM over or very close to 300 HP.
GlennHow about OVER 300 hp.....the Kooks full setup was the big jump between dyno runs for me. 265 hp to 302 with the addition of the Kooks setup. I will try this kit and run again...and then I'll know for sure.

I just got to the the realization that there are two different products being spoken of in this thread. The K&N prototype....and Paul HP product.

Should I wait wait on the K&N or jump on the one available from Paul?

[Donny Carlson]

How about OVER 300 hp.....the Kooks full setup was the big jump between dyno runs for me. 265 hp to 302 with the addition of the Kooks setup. I will try this kit and run again...and then I'll know for sure.

I just got to the the realization that there are two different products being spoken of in this thread. The K&N prototype....and Paul HP product.

Should I wait wait on the K&N or jump on the one available from Paul?
I'd like to see this in a Marauder first. The OEM airbox draws air from the fender well, no? Where does this box connect?

This is an interesting product, but I will wait for K&N before jumping off this bridge. Gotta decide which anchor to hold onto.

[studio460]

Paul's (Paul's High Performance) air kit looks nice. Would like to see what, if anything, the K&N kit does in addition to the higher-flow filter and the heat shield. In the meantime, while buying six quarts of Mobil 1 0W-20 (now recommended right on the Mobil 1 label for "newer Ford engines" that require "5W-20") at Pep Boys, I saw a Fram "Air Hog" oiled air filter [rectangular, OEM-style] for our Marauders. Basically a K&N clone, and about the same price, actually a bit more (they were out of the K&N air filters for our cars). This is my first K&N-style filter I've ever bought. Anyway, I certainly didn't "feel" any more horsepower, but I just wanted to treat my baby today.

Anyway, while I was changing the air filter (easiest air filter box to open I've ever seen), I inspected the air intake duct on our stock airbox which is basically a 3.5"-round hole that goes through the front of the engine compartment. Anyway, a wide molded piece of plastic shaped to meet the top portion of the grille, leading to this hole would seem to do the trick. Seems like there's SOMETHING that can engineered to make more air get in there faster . . .

[MENINBLK]

The Fram Air Hog is a new product that have been advertised on television recently.
They claim that your vehicle can HOG more air with their filter which can increase performance,
but they fail to back it up with NUMBERS.

At least K&N gives you minimum and maximum expectations with their filters.
Their testing is what part of the products cost consists of.
K&N also has a 1,000,000 mile guarantee.
I don't thing the Fram Air Hog comes with that...

[SergntMac]

Paul's (Paul's High Performance) air kit looks nice...
Anyway, while I was changing the air filter (easiest air filter box to open I've ever seen), I inspected the air intake duct on our stock airbox which is basically a 3.5"-round hole that goes through the front of the engine compartment. Anyway, a wide molded piece of plastic shaped to meet the top portion of the grille, leading to this hole would seem to do the trick. Seems like there's SOMETHING that can engineered to make more air get in there faster . . .
I like Paul's kit, it's priced nicely too. My only disappointment with Paul's kit is design. Paul's cold air kit, and the OEM air box, bith lack only one thing...Duct work to get around the headlight module and actually "scoop" fresh air from the forward movement of the car. However, you can overcome this for track racing by removing the headlight module.

[studio460]

K&N also has a 1,000,000 mile guarantee.
I don't thing the Fram Air Hog comes with that...
That's okay, I don't plan to keep the filter that long. I'm waiting for the K&N induction system to come out (and then decide on Paul's or K&N's system), or . . . wait for my left headlamp assembly to fall out!

[Ross]

I'm waiting for the K&N induction system to come out (and then decide on Paul's or K&N's system)

I'm with Shooter. Once the K&N kit comes out, we should have some basis for comparison. Hopefully K&N will have some dyno numbers for us.

[MENINBLK]

That's okay, I don't plan to keep the filter that long. I'm waiting for the K&N induction system to come out (and then decide on Paul's or K&N's system), or . . . wait for my left headlamp assembly to fall out!

Its not that you would keep it for that long,
it is that K&N is so confident in the QUALITY of their product
that they guarantee the product for this mileage.

If FRAM utilizes equal QUALITY, they would have a similiar claim.

[gonzo50]

Once the K&N kit comes out, we should have some basis for comparison. Hopefully K&N will have some dyno numbers for us.
Is this project still on going?:confused:
Can we please have an update on where this project is at now. :depress: Thanks. ;)

[TAF]

I'm interested in seeing what K&N comes up with, as well. Although, I've already decided to go with the Metco Carbon Fiber kit....for the "bling" Also...the experts I've spoken to say that "duct-work" will not lead to any performance advantage...although...moving the sensor (for the air-control) that is located between the 2 holes cut for the OEM box, behind the drivers headlamp can be a good idea. I've long ago removed the rubber tube that went from the OEM box to the outside hole.

[Fourth Horseman]

I've long ago removed the rubber tube that went from the OEM box to the outside hole.

Is this to remove any extra drag and slowing of air as it passes through that tube?

[TAF]

Is this to remove any extra drag and slowing of air as it passes through that tube?
All I know...is it was one of the first things to go, by the boys at Team Ford ("let's get rid of THIS thing...") Apparently...Mustangs have had those as well, and most guys pull them out. Once an enclosed box, with a conical filter is installed...I'm planning on moving the sensor (like I posted) and cutting open between both existing holes.

[CRUZTAKER]

Nearly 2 months since the R/D project started....still no word.:confused:

[ARP1500]

Does Any One Now When The Fipk Kit Will Be Ready For Sale The Thread Was Written 2 Months Ago. I Cant Wait.

[MENINBLK]

Does Any One Now When The Fipk Kit Will Be Ready For Sale The Thread Was Written 2 Months Ago. I Cant Wait.

It isn't listed on their site yet. :cry:

[Ross]

Dailydriver, are you out there? You were the one whose car K&N used as a test. Have you heard anything from them?

[dailydriver]

I was just wondering the same thing myself. I contacted K&N and they are held up looking for a 2004 to test on as well. If there is anybody in Southern California that would be willing to give up their 04 MM for a few days I think alot of us here would appreciate it. Just let me know and I will get you the contact info.

[CRUZTAKER]

Paging NBCSHOOTER...NBCSHOOTER....is there an NBCSHOOTER in the house?:P

[Ross]

Shooter, get away from that girl and go take your car in to K&N!

[Macon Marauder]

Isn't Shooter's MM an '03?

[TAF]

Shooter has an '03, as well. I'm not aware of any major changes in the air-intake between the '03 & '04. Does someone know if there is a difference? Why would they need an '04?

[Racerx88]

Shooter has an '03, as well. I'm not aware of any major changes in the air-intake between the '03 & '04. Does someone know if there is a difference? Why would they need an '04?

Since the tuning is slightly different between '03 and '04, maybe they think there's a possibility of each car behaving different with the FIPK installed???? Just my .02.

[2003 MIB]

Shooter has an '03, as well. I'm not aware of any major changes in the air-intake between the '03 & '04. Does someone know if there is a difference? Why would they need an '04?

I would speculate that before they want to list it in the catalog as fitting 03 & 04 Marauders they want to test fit the '03 unit to '04. It's probably some QA/Configuration Management procedure. We know there's no change but we spend all our spare time dicussing such things- they've got a lot of products to keep track of and it's reasonable to assume that they aren't "Marauder experts".

[gonzo50]

I would speculate that before they want to list it in the catalog as fitting 03 & 04 Marauders they want to test fit the '03 unit to '04. It's probably some QA/Configuration Management procedure. We know there's no change but we spend all our spare time dicussing such things- they've got a lot of products to keep track of and it's reasonable to assume that they aren't "Marauder experts".
Just wondering if anything is going to materialize yet ? :confused: :( :shake: :sleepy:

[Ross]

Hey Dailydriver, do you have the contact names of the folks at K&N that you could call and gently ask the status of this thing? It's been almost four months since the first post on this. Tell them that there are people waiting to spend $$$ if they have something that works!

[Petrograde]

yeah,... what's the deal?

"need the info"

[Mike Poore]

Um, think they'd like to play with mine?