DBP Marauder Eaton Supercharger Swap 2014

[8UWITH6]

Hey guys just wanted to let you know I started tearing the car down Monday night. I have gotten a lot done so far. My only holdup right now is the COT. On3 Performance wont give me a solid shipping date so tonight my buddy took my original COT home with him to modify it. Its in great shape I hope he is able to make it work otherwise I will be at the mercy of On3 performance. Im sure I will have questions as we go along. I will post some pictures as well since we all like those. Wish me luck! So far so good!

ADDED A LINK TO ALBUM WITH PICTURES SINCE MOST PICTURES ARE NOT LOADING.

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[8UWITH6]

A few more, will post more later!

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[Comin' in Hot]

where is the like button?

[lji372]

where is the like button?

It's on the side of the shifter :banana2:

[justbob]

Lookin good Neil!


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[MOTOWN]

Are you doing a rear cooling mod?

[loud2004marquis]

Looks like your well on your way, good luck!

[Zack]

Tell your buddy to go VERY slow with the welding.

The factory brazing material where the pipes are joined will heat up and melt away, causing all of your leaks.

Total PITA

[8UWITH6]

Are you doing a rear cooling mod?

Duh ;-) More pictures later.

And thanks Zack I will tell him

[Mebot]

Awesome Neil, take your time and do it right. Can't wait for the finished product

[RubberCtyRauder]

Awesome!:burnout:

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

That color though! :drool:

Good luck with the swap.

[8UWITH6]

Awesome Neil, take your time and do it right. Can't wait for the finished product

I am. I figure this should be together this weekend. I took four days off work starting tomorrow.

[guspech750]

Yesssssss. Open up that turd bucket finally!!


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[sflrainmaker01]

That color though! :drool:

Good luck with the swap.

+1!! Love that color! :up: Good luck on the swap! I'll be watching because hopefully soon I will be starting a thread like this! ;)

[CWright]

I likey!!! Can't wait to see how it turns out buddy!! Keep the picts coming. :coolman:

[8UWITH6]

Kinda tired tonight. Did a few things. Going to hit it hard in the morning. I have the next four days off............ still need a COT or delete kit :eek:

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Zack's cooling mod

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Left factory ground on passenger side just added a ring terminal and put it on the fender. Starter cable ring terminal ready for the fuse box.

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Alternator bracket installed, 2/0 AWG ground cable and a couple of washers perfect fit thanks Jerry.

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Alternator test fit

[8UWITH6]

moar....
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My Dad and my Son goofing around with me in the garage.

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S/C belt tensioner bracket test fit

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Battery tray

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1/0 AWG alternator charge wire test fit.

Goals tomorrow are getting the lower intake in place, fuse box mounted and wired, and start on extending the wiring.

[8UWITH6]

Yesssssss. Open up that turd bucket finally!!


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Yes Joe, LOL

[8UWITH6]

Oh, maybe someone can help me on this. I need a 1.5" tee for the upper radiator hose. Where can I get one?

[justbob]

Joe should have a pic of the one we made. PM him. Easy peasy.

IIRC it was an 1 1/2" X 1 1/4" copper tee with a short piece of pipe soldered in all ends and a slight bevel to keep the hoses in place painted black. I used the same on Kentucky Mikes.

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[ChiTownMaraud3r]

Make sure you do add a ground near the new battery location. You want the ground wires to be as short as possible.

Also, try to have your intercooler pressure tested before finalizing the install on that. I learned the hard way. Ace sells the o rings for the water adapter hardware btw.

[Zack]

Oh, maybe someone can help me on this. I need a 1.5" tee for the upper radiator hose. Where can I get one?

I have one, but I doubt it would get there in time considering I'd ship it tomorrow at the earliest.

[guspech750]

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[8UWITH6]

Make sure you do add a ground near the new battery location. You want the ground wires to be as short as possible.

Also, try to have your intercooler pressure tested before finalizing the install on that. I learned the hard way. Ace sells the o rings for the water adapter hardware btw.

You can see my 2/0 AWG ground in the last picture. I'm not too worried about the intercooler it only has 5000 miles.

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

You can see my 2/0 AWG ground in the last picture. I'm not too worried about the intercooler it only has 5000 miles.

Oh yeah looks good.


LOL that's what I said. Mine had 10k on it and looked brand new. Pinhole leak almost ruined everything. Too many people out there slinging leaky intercoolers these days.

[8UWITH6]

Shhhhh, dont talk about it my car will hear you!

[8UWITH6]

I have one, but I doubt it would get there in time considering I'd ship it tomorrow at the earliest.

Depending on how quickly my buddy builds the COT that might work. I will let you know. I did want to ask you since Im modifying the COT I plan on still using the factory heater hose up to the COT. On your cooling mod should I just tee into that heater hose close to the heater box then? Thanks

[Zack]

Depending on how quickly my buddy builds the COT that might work. I will let you know. I did want to ask you since Im modifying the COT I plan on still using the factory heater hose up to the COT. On your cooling mod should I just tee into that heater hose close to the heater box then? Thanks

That is correct. You will need a 5/8" hose mender to connect to the heater core hose. The steel tube that runs along the passenger side gets deleted.
The connection on the cot needs to be welded closed

[Zack]

Also remember to cap the small line in the back of the PS head if you are retaining the Marauder coolant tube under the blower

[8UWITH6]

Yes, PCV nipple on COT will be deleted when he shortens it. PCV nipple on Marauder coolant tube that runs through the valley will get plugged as well.

I plan on keeping the heater hose running up to the COT. If I am not able to do that (tee it into existing heater hose), then I will do as you say. I assume the tee could affect coolant flow? Thanks.

[MOTOWN]

I would move that ground cable to the drivers side of the engine block (theres a boss there) or ground it directly to the frame.

Last one I seen grounded the way you did didn't have a good ground , and couldn't keep a charge on the battery.

[Zack]

Yes, PCV nipple on COT will be deleted when he shortens it. PCV nipple on Marauder coolant tube that runs through the valley will get plugged as well.

I plan on keeping the heater hose running up to the COT. If I am not able to do that (tee it into existing heater hose), then I will do as you say. I assume the tee could affect coolant flow? Thanks.

That and the 5/8 nipple on the COT need to be removed or welded closed if you are hooking directly to the heater core.

[8UWITH6]

I would move that ground cable to the drivers side of the engine block (theres a boss there) or ground it directly to the frame.

Last one I seen grounded the way you did didn't have a good ground , and couldn't keep a charge on the battery.

I have 2/0 AWG ground on drivers side block to battery. Look at the picture closer ;-)

[MOTOWN]

I have 2/0 AWG ground on drivers side block to battery. Look at the picture closer ;-)

Looks like you have it grounded to the timing cover in the pic , but ok

[Zack]

Nothing wrong with his ground wire. That is exactly how it is mounted from the factory, only on the passenger side

[Zack]

Neil, not sure if you read my Facebook post.
I heard a rumor that Brad (1 Bad Merc) has an On3 kit

[MOTOWN]

Nothing wrong with his ground wire. That is exactly how it is mounted from the factory, only on the passenger side

And the factory ground was a poor design at best.

[8UWITH6]

Open to suggestions on the ground.

[Zack]

There is nothing wrong with the ground wire. There was nothing wrong with the factory ground wire either.

If you insist on moving it, there is an open hole on the drivers side of the engine, toward the front.

[lji372]

Threads in this run were not anodized at the mount locations (on purpose)
Anywhere not black is raw aluminum and will conduct.

[8UWITH6]

Thats why I left it where it is. I took the bracket off again just to make sure it wasnt coated. If it was I was just going to buzz it off.

[8UWITH6]

Got some stuff done today............

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Knock sensor bossed ground down, smashed the tube.

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Lower intake test fitted good to go.

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Had to go buy a different belt. Jerry's brackets takes a 25061000 Napa belt for the accessories.

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Just had to throw the blower on and take a pic.

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Bracket and mount for fuse box.

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Modified Crossover Tube is coming along nicely..................

Moar tomorrow!

[1Marauder]

SOOO AWESOME! Great Job Neil!

One kid off to University... and then I am right behind you!

[loud2004marquis]

Lookin good!
What size lower blower pulley you go with?

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

Nice progress.

On a final note regarding grounds...my alternator case was the culprit on my charging issue due to a coating on the threads of the brackets. Make sure to add a ground wire directly on the case to eliminate any chance of this happening..

[lji372]

Nice progress.

On a final note regarding grounds...my alternator case was the culprit on my charging issue due to a coating on the threads of the brackets. Make sure to add a ground wire directly on the case to eliminate any chance of this happening..

BUELLER
.............................. ......


Threads in this run were not anodized at the mount locations (on purpose)
Anywhere not black is raw aluminum and will conduct.
FYI: again...... all trilogy brackets were anodized. having the strength to break through .0002 of coating is all thats required


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^HELLOOOOOOO

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

Did I mention my brackets were not conducting?




:D




Sorry, didn't read the posts after his last update. I scroll through the jibber jabber to the pics. :flamer:






having the strength to break through .0002 of coating is all thats required


Damn he called you weak Zack!

[Zack]

Damn he called you weak Zack!

Don't care you paid me and that's that. LMAO

[8UWITH6]

Any ideas on the tee for the radiator hose? I found a 1.5" gray plastic tee at the hardware store. Now to figure out the 1.25 lower portion. Ugh.

[Zack]

You need to weld a 1.25" pipe perpendicular to a piece of 1.5" Any exhaust shop can make one

[justbob]

Any ideas on the tee for the radiator hose? I found a 1.5" gray plastic tee at the hardware store. Now to figure out the 1.25 lower portion. Ugh.


What I told you takes 5 minutes...


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[guspech750]

Any ideas on the tee for the radiator hose? I found a 1.5" gray plastic tee at the hardware store. Now to figure out the 1.25 lower portion. Ugh.

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[8UWITH6]

What I told you takes 5 minutes...


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Been to a half dozen stores no copper tee that big. Will either find a 1.5" to 1.25" reducer or beg my COT builder to make something for me out of exhaust pipe.

[justbob]

Been to a half dozen stores no copper tee that big. Will either find a 1.5" to 1.25" reducer or beg my COT builder to make something for me out of exhaust pipe.


Go to ANY plumbing supply business bro! Hell, even Menards sells them here. Worst case just buy it and a few inches of pipe outright from the first Plumbing van you see. I'm telling you, it doesn't get any easier or better fit than this.


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Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
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[8UWITH6]

Go to ANY plumbing supply business bro! Hell, even Menards sells them here. Worst case just buy it and a few inches of pipe outright from the first Plumbing van you see. I'm telling you, it doesn't get any easier or better fit than this.


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Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
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I believe you. I will figure it out. Thanks for the help :)

[8UWITH6]

It doesnt look like I got a lot done today but wiring sucks and takes a while, and I am OCD and that doesnt help!

Moar pics for you guys.........
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Extending TPS and IAC

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Long harness........

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Battery cables done, MAFia installed, harness long enough to reach to MAF without lengthening factory harness = win

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OCD wiring, looming, zip ties, etc

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See..... I told you, sickness.

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TPS and IAC harness looks good.

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Almost forgot the alternator.

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Fuse box done, power leads done

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Intercooler pump mounted, fuse box mounted, etc etc.

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Final overview this evening. Gotta figure out the radiator hose, waiting on COT, otherwise Im just about there.........................

[guspech750]

Boost is dumb.

NA FTW.


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DTR + 4.10's + Eaton swap = Wreeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom

[Zack]

Boost is dumb.

NA FTW.


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DTR + 4.10's + Eaton swap = Wreeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom

agreed kind sir

[8UWITH6]

Boost is dumb.

NA FTW.


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DTR + 4.10's + Eaton swap = Wreeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom

They told me it would have different results ;)

[cer0413]

Me next lol

[guspech750]

They told me it would have different results ;)

You will not get laid. It's a lie. :(


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DTR + 4.10's + Eaton swap = Wreeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom

[guspech750]

Me next lol

Liar Liar pants on fire. Go get naked with a truck driver.


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[8UWITH6]

Does it matter which way the intercooler hoses go into the lower intake?

[8UWITH6]

Alrighty then. Found a plumbing supply place open on Saturday and the dude was top notch. I bought two tees and when I got home neither would work. I called at 10 till 1 and told him I was on my way and he waited for me! (they closed at 1pm). I got what I needed awesome service.

Started off very slow today, lots of distractions people coming by and such but I really got a lot done from 8 to midnight even though I was tired. My buddy Kyle brought me my modified COT and it turned out amazing. This is NOT the route I wanted to take but it will have to work for now. On3 never got back to me they will be getting a phone call Monday.

Sunday I need to fill both cooling systems (please answer my question in the post above) and pressure test. Finish doing PCV and Vacuum lines, tie up some small stuff and see if it will run with no leaks, runs, drips or errors.

PICS:
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Mocking up the upper radiator hose and got the battery installed.

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Intercooler mounted to the bottom of the M112.

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Modified COT installed, Injectors and rail installed, etc.

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Left side. Did you know the temp sensors are specific to which side they go on? SMH

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Passenger side looking good.

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Blower finally seated and torqued.

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Supercharger elbow and MAF pipe installed.

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Really running out of things to do on this.

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Supercharger belt on, air filter on, etc.

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Looked good from where I was standing...........

Almost done folks...............

[Mebot]

Dude that's amazing, keep up the great work. You're making me envious & jealous

[justbob]

PM sent on routing.

I really hope you pressure tested the COT!

Yes the sensors are different. Passenger side is for the PCM.

I see you didn't solder in any pipe. Did you at least flare the ends just a tad on the tee?

Looks good!


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[sflrainmaker01]

Dude that's amazing, keep up the great work. You're making me envious & jealous

What he said! Awesome and inspiring job! Thanks for all the pics and details! :beer:

[sflrainmaker01]

Damn, I just noticed that you only have been at this for a week? Man, that's some progress! :bows:

[8UWITH6]

Bob. I'm extremely confident in my fabricators welding skills. I will be pressure testing the entire cooling system here shorty after I vacuum fill it.

Yes. Tore the car down Monday night, worked on it Tuesday and Wednesday nights, and took the last 4 days off work. Should be done today I hope.

[Zack]

It will leak. They all leak

[8UWITH6]

Haha, you jinxed me. Tried to vacuum fill this afternoon, no go. Was able to remove the COT without pulling the supercharger = win. More updates in the next couple of days. Im tired. Eaton Swaps are dumb:rolleyes:

[guspech750]

I leaked a little.



I just change my undies and soldier on with life.


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DTR + 4.10's + Eaton swap = Wreeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom

[lji372]

Jb weld FTMFW!!

Jo Jo I'll try plugging your leak when I get to Chicago :beer:



But I hear it's a big hole to fill :P

[8UWITH6]

Ewwwww Jerry. :beer:

[cer0413]

Ill help jerry

[Mebot]

Did you finish it yet?

Gosh!

[lji372]

Ill help jerry

Thanks man, now I know it'll get plug.

Rest assured Jo oj it'll get plugged.


Nice work Neil :bows:

[8UWITH6]

Did you finish it yet?

Gosh!

No. Everything was going too smoothly. Something was bound to happen. I reused COT orings like a dumbass and when I went to vacuum fill it wouldn't hold. Luckily I was able to remove the COT without pulling the blower. New orings will be here tomorrow. Then all I have to do is burp/prime the Eaton's cooling system and make her smoke.

[8UWITH6]

Good news, cooling system is sealed. Bad news I have a blower noise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5rPBPOdWwI

Going to pull the billet flow hub out flush tomorrow (got a buddy bringing me a puller) and see if that does the trick. Somehow I get the feeling its not going to fix it so its best if I prepare myself for that now. Wish me luck.

[justbob]

Did you clean the mating surface and threads on the lower? Torqued?


Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

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[Zack]

It will fix it. Fingers crossed

[8UWITH6]

Did you clean the mating surface and threads on the lower? Torqued?


Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
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Yes ran a tap all the way through, cleaned mounting surfaces and torqued.

[8UWITH6]

Blower has noise even after pulling the pulley out 1/8" inch. Pulling the nose off of it tomorrow to see whats going on. SMH:censor:

[Zack]

I'm done helping. Eaton swaps with my help are cursed lately

[8UWITH6]

Trust me its not you.......... LOL. Always happens to me. Buick for example had the yank the transmission out twice. Its fine. Really. I tried to force a 2 week project into 5 days. Something was bound to happen.

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

Eaton swaps, they're like farts. If you have to force it, its probably going to be ****.

[justbob]

Fact. The cars are getting older and most eaton swaps are entirely used parts, low mileage or not.

That's why I've all but washed my hands on touching them anymore.. No interest.

Hope you get her Neil. I would pull the lower and reset it first, then move on to a different tensioner. Both for whatever reason seem to make odd sounds when not in check.


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[ChiTownMaraud3r]

It's probably a cracked washer. :flamer:

[8UWITH6]

It is definitely a bearing noise. Lower looks good and tensioner does too. Thanks for the suggestions. Ill get this. I kinda knew what I was getting into.

[tbone]

It's probably a cracked washer. :flamer:

Sounds eerily similar to the sound that I had and you obviously know what the problem was.......laugh all you want.

http://youtu.be/Cqw0mb5P6QQ

[8UWITH6]

Doesn't sound like yours. IMO

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

Sounds eerily similar to the sound that I had and you obviously know what the problem was.......laugh all you want.

http://youtu.be/Cqw0mb5P6QQ


Lol sorry I just had to.

[tbone]

Doesn't sound like yours. IMO

I said "similar". Strange what one broken washer can do. Take it for what it's worth.

[8UWITH6]

I dont have any broken washers. Its the nose cone verified with a stethoscope. I pulled the nose of the blower today and when you spin it you can feel it. Rebuild kit on the way.

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before pulling it out.

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after

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EnJoY :)

[Zack]

No biggie. Will be worth it when done.
I drove the turbo car today to work in 100% humidity. No performance drop.

Eaton------> Not so much. LMAO

[8UWITH6]

No biggie. Will be worth it when done.
I drove the turbo car today to work in 100% humidity. No performance drop.

Eaton------> Not so much. LMAO


I drove turbo cars for many years daily. Methanol injection FTW.

Yes, Turbo > Supercharger :beer:

Unless.......... you want to build a copy of your turbo kit?:eek:

I am really looking forward to getting the car done. Thanks for everyones help.

[8UWITH6]

I do have a stupid question though. I put the IAC on correctly. I was able to verify that. However, which way does the TPS sensor face? Towards the fender or towards the blower? Thanks

[lji372]

It will be reliable and you will love it :beer:

[Zack]

Towards the fender.

[8UWITH6]

Well. Good news the blower is fixed. Rebuilt the snout today with the rebuild kit off ebay. So I put the fan in, coolant reservoir, etc in and vacuum filled the cooling system...............

Drip drip drip.......... FML

Uncle, who has an on3 kit.

Or Jerry I will call you monday.

[guspech750]

Booooooooooo


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DTR + 4.10's + Eaton swap = Wreeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom

[lji372]

Great news that it wasn't a washer!!!!

[Limited360]

Great news that it wasn't a washer!!!!


Your just happy he needs some shiny cross over tubes :)


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk so I may sound retarded.

[8UWITH6]

This is starting to hurt the old pocket book...........

[justbob]

This is starting to hurt the old pocket book...........


Ha! You THINK that already? You've just begun...


Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
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[Comin' in Hot]

This is starting to hurt the old pocket book...........

It's about a 3 on the scale: hurts, but I kind of like it.
http://thesixtypercent.files.wordpres s.com/2012/07/pain-scale.png

[Zack]

Who warned you to pressure test the COT?

Fail.

[tbone]

Great news that it wasn't a washer!!!!

At least I got the on3 kit. No leaks.:D

When I meet you someday I'm gonna put you in a headlock....

[guspech750]

My COT had one itty bitty pin hole. Since its my modified COT, I used some JB weld to plug it up and a paint job. 4 years now. No leaks.

But that is my COT and just one pin hole. I would not nor could I do that to someone else's modified COT. Use at your own risk.

I say have Jerry make you a sweet ass Trilogy style COT. Screw that hideous looking On3 delete kit.


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DTR + 4.10's + Eaton swap = Wreeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom

[tbone]

I think the On3 kit looks good. Mine is nice and neatly installed. Don't miss the COT one bit.

[loud2004marquis]

I say have Jerry make you a sweet ass Trilogy style COT.

^^^THIS^^^


Screw that hideous looking On3 delete kit.

-1


I think the On3 kit looks good.

+1

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

Hideous looking or not (I think it looks great), that was the only real option you could purchase before Jerry's custom tubes, it works great without having some guy butcher your COT only to find out it leaks. It really is a shame ON3 can't get their **** together and produce more.

[8UWITH6]

I just want to drive the car. My buddy is coming by to pick up my COT now. Hope to drove the car tomorrow.

[Zack]

I just want to drive the car. My buddy is coming by to pick up my COT now. Hope to drove the car tomorrow.

Your dumbazz won't pressure test it after this welding either. Failmao

[stryker]

:bows: Wow ! i'm imprrrrrrrrrresed, nice pics incredible work i like it a lot. :burnout:

[8UWITH6]

Your dumbazz won't pressure test it after this welding either. Failmao

Already bought expansion plugs so silence yourself LOL.:banana:

[8UWITH6]

Ha! You THINK that already? You've just begun...


Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
"Since 2004"


Truth ^^^^

[8UWITH6]

Some final detail pictures. I think it is good that I had my small problems along the way because it slowed me down from my "rush" to get the car done in a certain time frame. I tried to essentially get this done in 4 or 5 days which I should have never done. Now I consider myself pretty mechanically inclined and doing that amount of work in that time frame was brutal. It actually took the fun out of the project towards the last couple of days. Even my Dad said on the first few days I was in a good mood and having fun, but the last couple of days I was stressed out and under pressure to get it done.

With that said, I wanted everyone in this community to know how much I appreciate your help. The questions, the texts, the emails, etc. I did a lot of research in the past year and as some of you know I am a very methodical person and a little OCD. I line up the heads on my hose clamps if that tells you anything about me! I did this based off of everyone elses trials and errors here and all over the interwebs. If you can believe it I didnt look at the Trilogy Manual once.

This Marauder community is amazing and I hope it always stays that way. As long as you guys are around my wife and I will continue to attend the events year after year to see all of our friends. Of all the car groups I have ever been a part of over the past 20 years, this is by far the best.:bows:

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Vacuum lines and boost lines test fitting the wiper cowl.

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PCV line (red multiduty covered by wire loom) is temporary until I figure out which catch can to buy.

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Small support bracket to lift the air filter up off the a/c lines.

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Intercooler tank bracket made out of aluminum stock. Finally got the intercooler pump primed! Jeez what a pain!

Next pictures hopefully it will be out of the garage! :)

[justbob]

Thanks for the kind words Neil. I think you just set a new standard for install time. :) I know what you mean about super stressed! When I did Kentucky Mikes eaton at the same time I did my six speed I actually caused about six months of sciatic nerve pain down my left leg that was unbearable plus left with a numb foot.. (You may remember my awkward sitting/stretching on every tour) I just wanted to go home and cry. Still comes and goes, but not too bad (back issue since 23 worsening)

Thank god Brandon and Joe were such an asset with both builds. Literally everything hit us on Mikes car and with mine it all went very well besides venturing the unknown. Plus the rescue of Zack for phone help when even he wasn't stumped plus the care package pulley remover he sent ASAP. Then there was Casey overnighting (at a cost that almost made me crap myself) his own BEAUTIFUL Zack made COT because of the 100 pinholes that was in the custom one that Mike supplied.
Every damn night was beyond midnight when Joe would go his 25 minutes home just to wave hi to him heading to work five hours later when we would pass each other. Brandon slept on my couch the last two nights before dyno on both cars and caught the stomach flue but that didn't stop him from assembling both cars with me till 6:30 AM (at least enough to be drivable!) just to take a 45 minute nap and hit the road for the hour and a half drive to the tuner..

Can you image my disgust when 12 hours after dyno coming home from a night out and I bent five brand new Manley intake valves because of my own limited knowledge of heads and not installing the cam gear spacers? Not too mention the pile of timing components sent into my oil pan.. I had three days to rip the head off, get it fixed again, and reinstall an all new timing chain kit! (And work OT) if it weren't for Zack PUSHING me to fix it, I would have fire sold it. Not kidding.

The members here are unique and a way different crowd than any other forum.


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[guspech750]

Fantastic job Bud.

Mo pics.

Mo betta.


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DTR + 4.10's + Eaton swap = Wreeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

Looks great. Now have some fun with it. :burnout:

[1stMerc]

Never hurts to gain a little more knowledge about your car along the way. Just part of the trials of the DIY'ers. Enjoy your hard fought victory.

[cer0413]

U duh mane

[lji372]

At least I got the on3 kit. No leaks.:D

When I meet you someday I'm gonna put you in a headlock....

Hope you don't get lock jaw!! :D

[MMBLUE]

Hope you don't get Jock jaw!! :D


There fixed it for ya!

[8UWITH6]

Thanks guys. Drove it about 15 miles today in 100 degree heat. Seems good. Pics later!

[lji372]

Miles of smiles ahead
:D :D :D :D :D :D

:woohoo: :woohoo:

[8UWITH6]

pics, nothing else to say besides WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! !!!!!!!!!

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[Mebot]

Wow that looks great! Well done Neil!

[RubberCtyRauder]

Very Nice!!!Looks awesome!!!:burnout:

[Marauderjack]

Great work!!

Just curious.....what plugs in here......see photo!!:confused:

[Zack]

Cobra IAT1 sensor

[Marauderjack]

I figgered it must be but shouldn't it be hooked up??:cool:

[8UWITH6]

No I used the Lightning IAT sensor.

[tbone]

Great job! Congrats!

[sflrainmaker01]

Yeah, looks great! Be careful and have fun! :burnout::burnout:

[8UWITH6]

Thanks guys. I will add that I ran a dedicated ground wire from the alternator case to the battery and went from 12.2 Volts to 13.7 volts on the charging system. When you use Jerry's brackets either grind the coating off where the alternator case makes contact with the front of the bracket or just run a dedicated ground wire from case do battery like I did. Already spoke with Jerry he is aware. HTH. Car is an absolute blast.................... no regrets.

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

Thanks guys. I will add that I ran a dedicated ground wire from the alternator case to the battery and went from 12.2 Volts to 13.7 volts on the charging system. When you use Jerry's brackets either grind the coating off where the alternator case makes contact with the front of the bracket or just run a dedicated ground wire from case do battery like I did. Already spoke with Jerry he is aware.

Ughhh :violin:

[loud2004marquis]

Congrats! Everything is very clean looking. When's the dyno date?

[tbone]

Thanks guys. I will add that I ran a dedicated ground wire from the alternator case to the battery and went from 12.2 Volts to 13.7 volts on the charging system. When you use Jerry's brackets either grind the coating off where the alternator case makes contact with the front of the bracket or just run a dedicated ground wire from case do battery like I did. Already spoke with Jerry he is aware. HTH. Car is an absolute blast.................... no regrets.


It would be better to ground it to the chassis. Easier on the battery. I ran 4 awg battery cable from top of alternator to the frame, just below the ABS module.

[8UWITH6]

Ughhh :violin:

LOL. Its all good man.

[8UWITH6]

It would be better to ground it to the chassis. Easier on the battery. I ran 4 awg battery cable from top of alternator to the frame, just below the ABS module.

I cut off the negative battery terminal on the passenger side factory ground cable and put a ring terminal on it and put it on the inner fender. I didnt feel like ripping it out of the harness. On the drivers side from the negative battery terminal I ran 2/0 AWG to the drivers side front cover/engine block where the alternator bracket mounts, and also ran a 2/0 AWG from the negative battery terminal to the alternator case. Im pretty sure this is overkill which is what I like. :)

[8UWITH6]

Congrats! Everything is very clean looking. When's the dyno date?

Thank you, Im very meticulous. Im not sure yet. Gotta try and find someone I trust here in town.

[Comin' in Hot]

I'm glad this car landed in your hands, nice work!!!!

[chief455]

Great thread! Great work! Great pics! this would have helped me understand what is involved with a swap more than the old thread.
Do you have a boost gauge? what is that blower pulley pushing?
Awesome work on a sweet car.

[8UWITH6]

Thanks Derek. I love the car great to meet you at Louisville. Thanks for talking with me on the phone when I first got the car.

Chief I took a lot of pictures to help future swappers. Although not completely detailed I did take a good number of pictures showing a nice order of operations. I dont claim to be an expert by any means but what you see here is my first Ford/Merc, my first Mod Motor, and my first blower car. I did this with the help from a few very special individuals expertise and lots of research. To be honest once I got rolling on the project it was all in my head, no instructions needed except for stupid details that I just couldnt remember and had to look up or ask. I think I did pretty well considering.

And let me tell you ALL that it was totally worth it. This car was a pooch N/A and the low end torque was not there. This was the ONLY disappointing aspect of the car from day one. I loved everything else about it. Now I have the complete package. This car has become the most amazing fun to drive daily ride I have ever owned.

Yes, I have a boost gauge. I have not given it complete hell yet but I did WOT it and saw around 10psi. I had to change the blower belt, and reset the MAFia and its running a lot better now. Im going to wait until the temps get a tad cooler and splash the tank with some 100 as a band aid before I do more WOT testing/boost testing.

[chief455]

Thanks Derek. I love the car great to meet you at Louisville. Thanks for talking with me on the phone when I first got the car.

Chief I took a lot of pictures to help future swappers. Although not completely detailed I did take a good number of pictures showing a nice order of operations. I dont claim to be an expert by any means but what you see here is my first Ford/Merc, my first Mod Motor, and my first blower car. I did this with the help from a few very special individuals expertise and lots of research. To be honest once I got rolling on the project it was all in my head, no instructions needed except for stupid details that I just couldnt remember and had to look up or ask. I think I did pretty well considering.

And let me tell you ALL that it was totally worth it. This car was a pooch N/A and the low end torque was not there. This was the ONLY disappointing aspect of the car from day one. I loved everything else about it. Now I have the complete package. This car has become the most amazing fun to drive daily ride I have ever owned.

Yes, I have a boost gauge. I have not given it complete hell yet but I did WOT it and saw around 10psi. I had to change the blower belt, and reset the MAFia and its running a lot better now. Im going to wait until the temps get a tad cooler and splash the tank with some 100 as a band aid before I do more WOT testing/boost testing.
Excellent work for 1st time at all angles. Should give future swappers inspiration.
Im happy I paid a pro, so results were pretty much garunteed, but if I had two hands, I'd have done it myself.
Better get her on a dyno watching timing and air/fuel....
I agree = loved my car n/a, boosted = I love her 3 times as much. It really does nothing wrong! So much nicer than a 2 door low car with stiff ride and loud exhaust - and just as fast :-)

[sflrainmaker01]

Thanks Derek. I love the car great to meet you at Louisville. Thanks for talking with me on the phone when I first got the car.

Chief I took a lot of pictures to help future swappers. Although not completely detailed I did take a good number of pictures showing a nice order of operations. I dont claim to be an expert by any means but what you see here is my first Ford/Merc, my first Mod Motor, and my first blower car. I did this with the help from a few very special individuals expertise and lots of research. To be honest once I got rolling on the project it was all in my head, no instructions needed except for stupid details that I just couldnt remember and had to look up or ask. I think I did pretty well considering.

And let me tell you ALL that it was totally worth it. This car was a pooch N/A and the low end torque was not there. This was the ONLY disappointing aspect of the car from day one. I loved everything else about it. Now I have the complete package. This car has become the most amazing fun to drive daily ride I have ever owned.

Yes, I have a boost gauge. I have not given it complete hell yet but I did WOT it and saw around 10psi. I had to change the blower belt, and reset the MAFia and its running a lot better now. Im going to wait until the temps get a tad cooler and splash the tank with some 100 as a band aid before I do more WOT testing/boost testing.

I can't wait to give this a whirl. Thanks for the inspiration! ;)


Excellent work for 1st time at all angles. Should give future swappers inspiration.
Im happy I paid a pro, so results were pretty much garunteed, but if I had two hands, I'd have done it myself.
Better get her on a dyno watching timing and air/fuel....
I agree = loved my car n/a, boosted = I love her 3 times as much. It really does nothing wrong! So much nicer than a 2 door low car with stiff ride and loud exhaust - and just as fast :-)

Now you guys have done it.....:drool: :burnout:

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

And let me tell you ALL that it was totally worth it. This car was a pooch N/A and the low end torque was not there. This was the ONLY disappointing aspect of the car from day one. I loved everything else about it. Now I have the complete package. This car has become the most amazing fun to drive daily ride I have ever owned.


Agreed, this is what the car needed to come with stock, makes it at least 10 times more enjoyable to drive. The only downside is killing the rear rubbers and the horrid gas mileage from not being able to keep your foot out of it.
:burn:

[8UWITH6]

I think a Jmod is the next step...........:drive:

Ugh, I hate ATF.

[345HP87SSAC]

AWESOME> I want to see this car in person.

[MMBLUE]

I think a Jmod is the next step...........:drive:

Ugh, I hate ATF.

With the JMOD and boost, you are going to love the second gear hole shots. :burn:

[8UWITH6]

Got gaskets. Going to drop the pan and valve body Friday. F ho humming around. Its time to get stuff done. I just want to save the trans and firm up the upshifts. Dont care about 2nd gear scratch just want it to hit.

[8UWITH6]

AWESOME> I want to see this car in person.

Yeah I guess you have only seen the Buick. We will be at the Ford Cruise 2nd Saturday at Bates City BBQ in Shawnee see if the blue car gets some attention now ;)

[Zack]

Drop off the valve body? To whom?
Drill 6 holes and go.

Very confused over here

[8UWITH6]

Drop as in uninstall. Not drop off. Or hell I hope I don't drop it on the floor!

[Guittard22]

Everytime I see a marauder get supercharged makes me want to spend more money on my whip lol looks amazing

[justbob]

Drop as in uninstall. Not drop off. Or hell I hope I don't drop it on the floor!


They are heavier than they look!


Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
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[chief455]

Everytime I see a marauder get supercharged makes me want to spend more money on my whip lol looks amazing
Best decision I ever made, building cars over 30 years. S/C is the deal.
2nd best decision was to buy the Marauder ;)

[sflrainmaker01]

Best decision I ever made, building cars over 30 years. S/C is the deal.
2nd best decision was to buy the Marauder ;)

Can't wait.......:drool:

[8UWITH6]

My buddy took a ride with me around the block. I waited until 25-30mph to hit it in this instance because anything under that the car spins the tires pretty hard. We where in a 45mph zone so as you notice I let out as soon as it hit 2nd. Just wanted you guys to hear my car. I freaking love it. Nuff said.

http://youtu.be/PvcLBhwTvaA?list=UU2xXaGUkvQ7e 9MmReuere5A

[Zack]

Lol still no wideband, 93 degrees and going WOT.

HOPE JERRY HAS A FREE ENGINE FOR YOU

[chief455]

Lol still no wideband, 93 degrees and going WOT.

HOPE JERRY HAS A FREE ENGINE FOR YOU
yes, I detonated 4 pistons without a wideband in less time. It ran out of fuel during a burnout. It wasn't the tune, my fuel pump was falling off inside the tank from previous owners install. Went lean for a few, deadly instances. I didn't hear the rods knock until the end of summer, trying to tune out the spark retard I saw while datalogging.

Please be careful...such a sweet install, and does sound great!

[8UWITH6]

No confidence in 11psi on a stock motor? No pinging, pulls clean and hard with plenty of fuel? Joe and Mike's cars are still together............. what am I missing here? (I am listening)

[chief455]

No confidence in 11psi on a stock motor? No pinging, pulls clean and hard with plenty of fuel? Joe and Mike's cars are still together............. what am I missing here? (I am listening)
Just seen them go boom and don't wish it on anyone. gauges are your friend, but you already know....

[8UWITH6]

I wasnt aware that you hurt your engine. Im sorry to hear that. I have a brand new pump in my setup. I would hope the fuel system is up to par but there are always variables.

So I gotta ask......... if I stare at that little gauge that has lights on it and if I see a lean condition for those 2 or 3 seconds before I can react.............. isnt the damage already done????? Just thinking out loud here. Im not discrediting the use or need for an A/F ratio gauge but isnt there a better way? Or is that all I can do?

On my Turbo Regal's we use a Scanmaster that reads 02's and knock counts, and I also use an EGT (old school). The newer stuff allows the use of a wideband and the computer adjusts fuel and timing and sometimes even boost (turbo) depending on the A/F ratio it sees. In other words you set the ratio you want and the computer adjusts accordingly.

Is there a setup for our Marauders that allows real time adjustments via wideband to adjust the A/F ratio constantly to maintain a safe level?

Thanks for the help guys. Its very much appreciated.

[chief455]

I lost the fully forged, low compression blower engine due to fuel loss, in a different car, but same risk. New high pressure pump, just was falling off the outlet hose.

I don't recall if you are running with your n/a tune and the blower bolted on? Or did you flash in a blower tune from a similar set up?

Yes, if the gauges = fuel pressure or a/f, have a sudden fail, it might be too late, but might not. I do not know of a better way, no.
Without the gauges, it is for sure too late.
I suspect you know the n/a tune will not be adding fuel or reducing timing during positive manifold pressure you blower is introducing.
The stock tune thinks 14.6:1 is correct a/f and has no concern of filling the head chambers with more fuel to equal the additional air, and to cool them under forced pressure?
And the n/a tune will hold as much spark advance as the guy that programed it left - not retarding the timing to avoid detonation during the hot hurricane, and compensate the lack of extra fuel under boost, never mind WOT?
These must be set together, on each engine, to achieve desired safety and power levels based on each combination.
If you are all savvy to that, and you probably are, I wasted time typing.
Just hope your tune is 'pretty close' and you get it dialed in on a dyno soon.

[lji372]

Fwiw- I went/am going with the aem failsafe w/b in silver car. it's supposed to shut me down if I go lean. :wave: James............

[8UWITH6]

I am not running a stock n/a tune and what you explained makes perfect sense.

Yes. Failsafe wideband got any info on those? Ill do my own research as well.

[justbob]

An N/A will start detonating at around 1,900 RPMS in every gear driving like Miss Daisy..


Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
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[lji372]

I am not running a stock n/a tune and what you explained makes perfect sense.

Yes. Failsafe wideband got any info on those? Ill do my own research as well.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=aem%20failsafe&sprefix=aem+fa%2Caps

[Limited360]

Fwiw- I went/am going with the aem failsafe w/b in silver car. it's supposed to shut me down if I go lean. :wave: James............

One car at a time!! :violin:

[RubberCtyRauder]

Fwiw- I went/am going with the aem failsafe w/b in silver car. it's supposed to shut me down if I go lean. :wave: James............

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxXWjR6q5u4

[lji372]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxXWjR6q5u4


nice..........
nxXWjR6q5u4

[Zack]

Both Joe and Mike had actual Dyno tunes Neil.
Yes I sent you a tune that was from somebody else's car after the Dyno but it's always good to be safe

[8UWITH6]

Autometer 4378 or 4379?

[8UWITH6]

Vs AEM. And where does the sensor go. Thanks

[Zack]

You need the AEM.
Sensor gets welded into the drivers side.
Normally its before the cat, but not an option for your setup.

[8UWITH6]

So use rear 02 bung then or pull the manifold and weld one where the egr tube went? If I am going to do it shouldn't I do it right?

[Zack]

So use rear 02 bung then or pull the manifold and weld one where the egr tube went? If I am going to do it shouldn't I do it right?

Weld to cast iron? Good luck.

A good spot for it is where the exhaust first goes horizontal after leaving the manifold. But keep it at least 12" from the converter. Its all in the directions once you buy one.

[8UWITH6]

LOL good point. 30-4110? Thanks

[RubberCtyRauder]

You can weld some cast iron with Aluminum Bronze tig welding rods...not saying it is easy, but can be done, preheating the part too helps and cool slowly

[8UWITH6]

So about 10 or so inches behind the rear 02 in this picture should be sufficient is what it sounds like.

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

So about 10 or so inches behind the rear 02 in this picture should be sufficient is what it sounds like.

I did mine a couple inches back and on the opposite of the O2 on the drivers side. Works great.

[Limited360]

So about 10 or so inches behind the rear 02 in this picture should be sufficient is what it sounds like.

I always prefer widebands above catalysts.. considering the catalyst does change the measured AFR.

Some say marginal... I do not. Regardless I have no cats so made my install much easier...

[Zack]

Its not possible with this exhaust config.

Neil just install it after the cat and you'll be fine.

(Not knocking James, just not in the cards installing pre-catalyst)

Your A/F should read slightly leaner than it actually is, which is a good thing.

[8UWITH6]

I always prefer widebands above catalysts.. considering the catalyst does change the measured AFR.

Some say marginal... I do not. Regardless I have no cats so made my install much easier...

What about gutting the front cats and using the existing rear 02 bung?

[Limited360]

Its not possible with this exhaust config.

Neil just install it after the cat and you'll be fine.

(Not knocking James, just not in the cards installing pre-catalyst)

Your A/F should read slightly leaner than it actually is, which is a good thing.

I agree it would be implausible to install upstream of the catalysts... Zack suggested the best location for this setup.

[8UWITH6]

Its not possible with this exhaust config.

Neil just install it after the cat and you'll be fine.

(Not knocking James, just not in the cards installing pre-catalyst)

Your A/F should read slightly leaner than it actually is, which is a good thing.

Makes sense. Thanks guys for answering my dumb repetitive questions.

[8UWITH6]

AEM part number when any of you get a chance thanks.

[Zack]

Used to be 30-4100
Has been superceded to 30-4110 with a better O2 sensor

[lji372]

AEM part number when any of you get a chance thanks.

this is what i bought...........

AEM 30-4900 Wideband Failsafe Gauge
Sold by performancesupershop
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[Limited360]

this is what i bought...........

AEM 30-4900 Wideband Failsafe Gauge
Sold by performancesupershop
Facebook Twitter Pinterest $263.99

Item Subtotal: $263.99
Shipping & Handling: $0.00
Total Before Tax: $263.99
Shipment Total: $263.99

This is the win!

[Zack]

This is the win!

That is pretty neat considering what you get.

Will buy for the Lincoln Project.
Will ask for another for Xmas, and birthday

[Limited360]

That is pretty neat considering what you get.

Will buy for the Lincoln Project.
Will ask for another for Xmas, and birthday

I support this decision. The software on the back end for calibrating the intervention for the fail safe is awesome. I need to upgrade to this...

[Zack]

I support this decision. The software on the back end for calibrating the intervention for the fail safe is awesome. I need to upgrade to this...

Well duh, sell your used one to Neil

[Limited360]

Well duh, sell your used one to Neil

Meh.. I would have to take the cover off of the car to get it done... sounds like work!

[8UWITH6]

Well duh, sell your used one to Neil

Yeah sell it to me

[8UWITH6]

I just want to make sure I am seeing this correctly.

http://www.amazon.com/AEM-30-4100-UEGO-Controller-Gauge/dp/B000CFQM4G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1410300147&sr=8-1&keywords=aem+30-4100

or this for 10 bux more?

http://www.amazon.com/AEM-UEGO-Digital-Wideband-30-4110/dp/B00MXAX08O/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1410300686&sr=8-2&keywords=aem+30-4110

Looks like what I need. Somebody say thats exactly it and I will pull the trigger. Screw it cant stop modding.............. must try to stop........... but cant............ its all your faults!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

[Limited360]

Either one... you will never notice difference between the O2 sensors...

[lji372]

Go big or go home...... The end


Either is better than none :dunno: or wait for a deal.......

[8UWITH6]

15X seems like a great deal......

[massacre]

Great swap OP, very nicely and neatly done reminds me of my car lol.
+1 on the wideband, it may literally save your motor someday.

[8UWITH6]

Yeah we get off topic easily butt tits okay. Thanks, I will order a wideband tonight waiting on confirmation from the guys.................

[justbob]

Joe's and Mike's had the "special tunes".

+1 on opposite side of driver downstream o2. Had it there for years and verified a few times.


Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
"Since 2004"

[8UWITH6]

Thanks Bob and other guys that is where it will go.............

[Comin' in Hot]

Did I read this right, the AEM is going to shut down the engine if it senses a lean condition?

[Limited360]

Did I read this right, the AEM is going to shut down the engine if it senses a lean condition?


Senses a afr below at value at any given level of boost actually


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk so I may sound retarded.

[Zack]

There is a guy on svtp who invented a fail safe and sells it for $300
The AEM is the ticket, because it's about $300, does the same thing and you get a wideband too

[Limited360]

There is a guy on svtp who invented a fail safe and sells it for $300
The AEM is the ticket, because it's about $300, does the same thing and you get a wideband too


I kick myself for not getting the fail safe originally as it has a better display and so much more functionality. Built in boost gauge is awesome... Will give me room down low for other gauges I want...


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