BYE BYE Modular!

[Joe Walsh]

I started up the Marauder yesterday and backed it out of the garage....
.... glanced over at my oil pressure gauge and it reads '0' PSI.....:eek:
I shut off the engine and pop the hood to check what the mechanical oil pressure gauge on my Accusump reads....'0' PSI!
Restart the engine to pull the Marauder back into the garage (my driveway is an uphill incline so I couldn't push it back in.) Still '0' PSI on both gauges and engine is starting to clatter.
I need to do some more investigating...but I fear that I now have a very expensive 5.0L pile of DOHC junk!......:mad2:

My first thought is that I need to find a good (honest) shop to do a teardown and diagnosis of my engine after I pull it, as I really don't like messing with these modular engines.

My second thought is this:
I'm tired of spending so much time, effort and MONEY to make these complicated, expensive and big externally, yet tiny CID modular V8s run fast!
I've never really liked modular motors except for the built & blown Terminators and the new 5.0L Coyote...which would be a great engine in the Marauder!)
I dumped $1,000 bucks just for a set of 4 cams on this engine!

My third thought is this:
Why waste another pile of money to fix/rescue this engine...???
I'm going to look into a 427 CID Windsor engine that will bolt right up to my 4R70W.
BOSS 351 4 bolt main block...4.125 bore x 4.00 stroke with a set of Jon Kaase or AFR heads.
600 HP N/A and it will be stone cold reliable, easy to work on, requires only 1 good roller cam, and has room galore to fit into the Marauder.
I can keep it fuel injected and controlled by the stock computer system.
Plus, in the future I can swap this engine directly into my '85 Mustang GT if I wanted to do something else with the Marauder. (say maybe a BOSS 529 engine...heh heh heh....:D)

Anyone know if:
Someone makes motor mounts to convert a modular Panther chassis to a Windsor pushrod set-up?
What type of 351W headers might fit a Panther chassis?
Can I turn off some of the Marauder's engine control parameters (camshaft position sensor...etc.) and still pass an emissions test read from the OBD2 port? (I'd still run a high flow catalytic convertor set-up to stay legal.)

Tired of these modular turds...anyone want a seriously wounded 5.0L DOHC?

[Bluerauder]

I need to do some more investigating...but I fear that I now have a very expensive 5.0L pile of DOHC junk!......:mad2:

Damn Joe :( Sorry to hear about your engine problem. Any idea why no oil pressure ??

[Ms. Denmark]

Rotten luck, Joe! Keep us posted...

[kirk]

Sorry about your luck. No answers from me, but you certainly are thinking out of the box.

[maineiac]

Joe have them check the oil restrictoir tube left side of motor lower back part of head,mine was clogged almost same problem,unclogged it and fine ever since.I like your thoughts on the big block ,,if you get rid of the old one let me know i am looking to build one from scratch that might make a good start.

[Motorhead350]

Junkyard engine and go back to looking at your low mileage car.

[STEPS]

like to know what happen............

[Joe Walsh]

Junkyard engine

Nope!

That's your standard solution when you waste an engine....#5 is it?

and go back to looking at your low mileage car.


I do love how clean my low mileage Marauder looks.
It even smells brand new!
What a joy that brings to me!!

I'd hate to drive it daily and beat the piss out of it!

I could just keep whining about my bad luck and broken engine until other members offer me free advice/help/engines!

I guess I'll stick to driving my 427 Cobra instead!

[CoreyM75]

I'd hate to drive it daily and beat the piss out of it!

I could just keep whining about my bad luck and broken engine until other members offer me free advice/help/engines!

I guess I'll stick to driving my 427 Cobra instead!

Burn! That hurt and it wasn't even directed at me.

[massacre]

Sorry to hear this happened I always liked your car.

[Mr. Man]

Bummer Joe Walsh!..:bigcry:

Maybe one of the Mustang forums might have a lead on who builds motor mounts for the type of swap your thinking about.
:dunno:
Hi to Marianne.:wave:

[ctrlraven]

That really sucks Joe, I've been having oil psi issues myself on my stock motor which I've been nursing to last until my new motor can finally be installed.

There are a few local shops you could contact.

Joe have them check the oil restrictoir tube left side of motor lower back part of head,mine was clogged almost same problem,unclogged it and fine ever since.I like your thoughts on the big block ,,if you get rid of the old one let me know i am looking to build one from scratch that might make a good start.
I wonder if this has anything to do with my oil psi issues.

[Mike M]

If it's zero pressure, I would assume something in the pump went horribly wrong. After replacing the oil filter and rechecking it I would look at the pump. Engine may be fine.
The fact that you have zero pressure may be better then low oil pressure.

[BigCars4Ever]

Try trolling crownvic.net. Those guys are always swapping motors into panthers.

[Bigdogjim]

Joe: I know how you feel, if it were not for bad luck I would none.

Good luck keep up posted.

[Ourobos]

One misconception.. That 4.6L modular 4r70w bolt pattern is NOT the same as a small block.

[Joe Walsh]

One misconception.. That 4.6L modular 4r70w bolt pattern is NOT the same as a small block.

:hmmm: ......Thanks.....that's great info to know.

Maybe it's also time for a 6 speed behind a 427W!

Remember the old 'R' code Mercury's?....
There's nothing like a big white cue ball shifter sticking out of the transmission hump!

:burn:

[Motorhead350]

Your car. 228,000 miles and on engine number 4 with more fun than most I have met.

[Seneca]

That really really sucks Joe, your even running a billet geared oil pump correct?

[Vortech347]

Even with a bell housing swap you will need a stand alone electronic control unit for the transmission. Unless you put in a worked AOD or man pedal swap.

With what you already have, selling it you would get half of what you've spent on it and building up a GOOD N/A 600hp engine will cost serious coin and you won't have near the drive ability you do now. Especially with the cam it would take to make that kind of power.

[71cyclone]

Wow I am sorry to hear this/ the 351 sounds like a Crackin good Idea or / Go the" Bow Tie route" with a LS2 conversion-{On the CHEAP}.... On one of the old /mm net postings a guy took his Trail Blazer SS motor [totaled 05 truck] dropped the eng and trans in the Merc. with the chv ecm and still used the ford ecm for the other electronics.

[ctrlraven]

Wow I am sorry to hear this/ the 351 sounds like a Crackin good Idea or / Go the" Bow Tie route" with a LS2 conversion-{On the CHEAP}.... On one of the old /mm net postings a guy took his Trail Blazer SS motor [totaled 05 truck] dropped the eng and trans in the Merc. with the chv ecm and still used the ford ecm for the other electronics.

Would be easier to install an LS motor and make everything work than putting in a SBF.

If not staying modular then I vote LS swap..... WITH A MAN PEDAL!

[Limited360]

LS everything is my motto... 5.3 motor with boost can be done for cheap.. integration however is the cost. Sorry to hear about engine issues, best of luck!!!

[sailsmen]

.............................. ........
I've never really liked modular motors except for the built & blown Terminators and the new 5.0L Coyote...which would be a great engine in the Marauder!)
.................

Perhaps you have the answer.

[Joe Walsh]

That really really sucks Joe, your even running a billet geared oil pump correct?

Yep...I do....errrr.....I did.


Wow I am sorry to hear this/ the 351 sounds like a Crackin good Idea or / Go the" Bow Tie route" with a LS2 conversion-{On the CHEAP}.... On one of the old /mm net postings a guy took his Trail Blazer SS motor [totaled 05 truck] dropped the eng and trans in the Merc. with the chv ecm and still used the ford ecm for the other electronics.


Would be easier to install an LS motor and make everything work than putting in a SBF.

If not staying modular then I vote LS swap..... WITH A MAN PEDAL!


LS everything is my motto... 5.3 motor with boost can be done for cheap.. integration however is the cost. Sorry to hear about engine issues, best of luck!!!

Rest assured guys....I bleed FORD BLUE blood and an LS motor will NEVER go under the hood of any of my cars.....:shake:
I don't care how cheap they are, or how easy they are to mod....or..... :blah:

Reminds me of the guy who came to a car show in Laurel, Md some years ago with a beautiful red 427 Cobra replicar.
He wouldn't open the hood during the entire show.
Everyone kept asking him to pop the hood and to tell them what lurked underneath.
Finally he opened the hood to reveal a 350 SBC 'in all it's glory'.
Everyone went..."AWwwwwwww crap!" and walked away!


Perhaps you have the answer.

Looked into this about 2 years ago.
Wayyyy too expensive to make it happen.....something north of $20,000.

[Seneca]

Thank you Joe for no ls swap... geeze

[WhatsUpDOHC]

Thank you Joe for no ls swap... geeze
We definitely need a Like button. [emoji106]

[massacre]

Do a 427 SOHC motor. John Kaase makes all of that stuff now.

[J-MAN]

Junkyard engine and go back to looking at your low mileage car.

You should write a book with all your helpful insight into automotive repair and maintenance. You could sell it at your gigs along with t-shirts and bobble heads.


Sorry about your car Joe. :( Maybe Kasse would donate a Boss Nine! :D

[Vortech347]

You could try to stick a Raptor 6.2 in the MOFO.

[chief455]

Rest assured guys....I bleed FORD BLUE blood and an LS motor will NEVER go under the hood of any of my cars.....:shake:
I don't care how cheap they are, or how easy they are to mod....or..... :blah:



never liked mixed breeds either. I never even liked the LT/LS engines in my 4th gen Pontiacs. Always dreamed of stuffing a true 455 Poncho motor in one.
if the 5.0 Coyote and Windsor motor are beyond budget, bite the bullet and rebuilt what you have, but better.

[71cyclone]

Thank you Joe for no ls swap... geeze
Well ,there are to many Resto Rod Fords with Bow tie motors in them 30's -40's vintage ,and like my Pops said if you" like" doing Remedial mechanical work like R/R motors ,keep buying Chevy -a well built Ford motor will generally outlast a Bow tie and your hands will stay cleaner:beer:

[massacre]

I'm going to be pulling the trigger on a Coyote swap soon, I can get Tousley pricing don't forget FRPP discount applies to crate motors too!

[TooManyFords]

Did you check the dipstick to see if you forgot to put oil back in it after the last change?

Otherwise, send it to me and I'll tear it down.

[gdmjoe]

If you opt for the 5.0L Coyote you may want to consider getting-up with yeahinc (member at CrownVic.net).

He's in the process installing the 5.0L Coyote in a Crown Victoria and has met with FoMoCo and Ford Racing Performance Parts ...
Building a 5.0 Coyote Nightstalker.... (http://www.crownvic.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2853121&gonew=1#UNREAD) ««« -click-
Additional reference: Ford Crown VIctoria Police Interceptor "HELLSPAWN" 5.0 Coyote Powered (http://www.cmautowerkz.com/cmauto/inventory/current-inventory/152-2008-ford-crown-victoria-police-interceptor-qhellspawnq-50-coyote-powered-0-miles-.html)
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[Vortech347]

Make sure you gear the hell out of it. 4.30's minimum.

[TP Derrick D]

Originally Posted by Joe Walsh http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1409589#post1 409589)
Rest assured guys....I bleed FORD BLUE blood and an LS motor will NEVER go under the hood of any of my cars.....:shake:
I don't care how cheap they are, or how easy they are to mod....or..... :blah:



Reminds me of a VERY nice '53-'56 F100 at a Goodguys in Ft Worth a couple years ago. Had a SB Chebby and the guy was trying like crazy to explain his engine choice. I asked him why he chose a Ford truck body then if he thought so highly of the Chebby engine it should go in a Chebby body he said because its a cool truck. I LOL and said that's right the Ford is getting all the thumbs up when its rolling down the road that engine is hidden and not getting thumbs up. He was speechless.

[BUCKWHEAT]

My son & I went to visit a guy that was selling new Edlebrock heads that my son wanted. We got there, the guy had a new Man-o-war stroked 427 Windsor short block, with the good pistons, rods, new crank, mustang oil pan, cam, rockers & flex plate, all externally balanced. The kid needed the money. We discussed buying the rest of the stuff & he said maybe $4,500 for all. If interested, I can get details for you to call from my son.
Can call me at 314-308-1370.
john

[bigcowl-imp]

Well ,there are to many Resto Rod Fords with Bow tie motors in them 30's -40's vintage ,and like my Pops said if you" like" doing Remedial mechanical work like R/R motors ,keep buying Chevy -a well built Ford motor will generally outlast a Bow tie and your hands will stay cleaner:beer:

This is the most b.s i have read in one day....

[bigcowl-imp]

I never even liked the LT/LS engines in my 4th gen Pontiacs. Always dreamed of stuffing a true 455 Poncho motor in one.

Let me get this right....you want to get worst gas milage and be slower ???

[chief455]

Let me get this right....you want to get worst gas milage and be slower ???
:lol:


you said gas milage first, and it's last priority in a weekend toy, in my opinion.
Slower? you've never seen my 455 Pontiac pump gas engines perform in a street car.
And I do not understand mixed breeds, never have. Growing up in the 70's, guys blowing up a GTO motor, to poor or inept to rebuild the factory Pontiac engine, throw a 350 chevy in - ohhh, that's original. Then to a Ford - why on earth a chevy motor in a Ford? Can't even use the easier or cheaper reasoning - it's not. If you love LSX engines so much, run a Camaro.
Rant over, carry on....
0GQ9foO2tg0

[chief455]

My son & I went to visit a guy that was selling new Edlebrock heads that my son wanted. We got there, the guy had a new Man-o-war stroked 427 Windsor short block, with the good pistons, rods, new crank, mustang oil pan, cam, rockers & flex plate, all externally balanced. The kid needed the money. We discussed buying the rest of the stuff & he said maybe $4,500 for all. If interested, I can get details for you to call from my son.
Can call me at 314-308-1370.
john
^_____^ this is a sweet lead......I may call you John.;)