Best options for Whipple build

[95chickn]

Hey I need some opinions on whipple 2.3 build.

I was looking at the MMR Stroker 5.0 priced 4199 and Up... but I was wondering for almost 4500 I can do a whole lot with stock block or teskid. I can probably build a fully Forged teskid around 3,000 and have leftovers for headers or trickflow(if nessasary) But I have a Few ?s

Would stock Marauder block .20 or teskid .20 with Forged internals handle whipple w/e85?looking 650hp-700.
MMR block is cast iron it would be a plus if I can stick with Aluminum

Is it worth paying $1000 for upgrading stage 3 ported heads or should stock be fine (bang for buck?)

Is it worth paying 699 for upgrading to stage 3 cams? Or would stock do?

I'm kinda New to the DoHc world and just wondering what route you guys think would be best

Thanks

[jwibbity]

Talk to Cwright over on the cool site, he has a alot of experience with the whipples (2.3 & 2.9):beer:

[Zack]

Teksid blocks are a waste of money. A marauder block can handle any power you can throw at it.


Before we go any further, you wont make 650-700 with a 2.3, even with E85

Making 650rwhp will take 10,000 dollars. Are you ready to spend that coin?

[Spectragod]

Hey I need some opinions on whipple 2.3 build.

I was looking at the MMR Stroker 5.0 priced 4199 and Up... but I was wondering for almost 4500 I can do a whole lot with stock block or teskid. I can probably build a fully Forged teskid around 3,000 and have leftovers for headers or trickflow(if nessasary) But I have a Few ?s

Would stock Marauder block .20 or teskid .20 with Forged internals handle whipple w/e85?looking 650hp-700.
MMR block is cast iron it would be a plus if I can stick with Aluminum

Is it worth paying $1000 for upgrading stage 3 ported heads or should stock be fine (bang for buck?)

Is it worth paying 699 for upgrading to stage 3 cams? Or would stock do?

I'm kinda New to the DoHc world and just wondering what route you guys think would be best

Thanks

If your stock motor is running right now, you can either mothball it or sell it for at least 1k.

The choice is yours, an iron block doesn't weight much more. 5.0 stroker or a big bore stroker if you can swing it.

Without looking at their website, I couldn't tell you what stages do what, I would recommend a mild port job and blower cams if that's the way your going to go on the build.

Regardless of what ever you choose, you will always be chasing horsepower, it seems to go with the territory.

FWIW, I am using a stock Marauder block, Eagle rods and crank, Diamond pistons, Crower cams and springs and a Trilogy twin screw, turned down to 521/526, with 93.

I think that there are limitations to anything, no matter the block or internals, if it's going to open the door and let itself out, it will.

Good luck with your choice(s)...:burnout:

[Spectragod]

Teksid blocks are a waste of money. A marauder block can handle any power you can throw at it.


Before we go any further, you wont make 650-700 with a 2.3, even with E85

Making 650rwhp will take 10,000 dollars. Are you ready to spend that coin?


^^^^TRUTH^^^^, big power = big dollars

[95chickn]

Teksid blocks are a waste of money. A marauder block can handle any power you can throw at it.


Before we go any further, you wont make 650-700 with a 2.3, even with E85

Making 650rwhp will take 10,000 dollars. Are you ready to spend that coin?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AOw-S4W3HhY
Dynoed at 714rwhp 680tq 22lbs e85 2.3whipple

[Zack]

Yeah, that's a cobra. Different animal that always makes way more power due to a manual trans

[loud2004marquis]

I'm kinda New to the DoHc world and just wondering what route you guys think would be best


Making 650rwhp will take 10,000 dollars. Are you ready to spend that coin?

Recommend starting with an Eaton Swap and upgrading to a Whipple later. It's my plan and I'm pretty much in the same boat as you. Learned a TON doing the swap and am still learning!

[MOTOWN]

With all the S/C Marauders for sale lately buy one already Blown and save your self a ton of cash and time.

[cer0413]

With all the S/C Marauders for sale lately buy one already Blown and save your self a ton of cash and time.
^^^ I should have joined this site before I bought mines. I would have done just that instead of collecting parts.

[Seneca]

Teksid blocks are a waste of money. A marauder block can handle any power you can throw at it.


Before we go any further, you wont make 650-700 with a 2.3, even with E85

Making 650rwhp will take 10,000 dollars. Are you ready to spend that coin?
i think 10k is a modest number actually.. rear trans fuel system.. dig deep! 😉

[lji372]

With all the S/C Marauders for sale lately buy one already Blown and save your self a ton of cash and time.

this does not fair well for bracket sales.;)

with that being said, build it yourself and make it your own :lol:

[Curless]

this does not fair well for bracket sales.;)

with that being said, build it yourself and make it your own :lol:

This coming from the guy who bought all of his cars done...:lol::rofl::poke::duel:

[71cyclone]

Teksid blocks are a waste of money. A marauder block can handle any power you can throw at it.


Before we go any further, you wont make 650-700 with a 2.3, even with E85

Making 650rwhp will take 10,000 dollars. Are you ready to spend that coin?
As quiet as it is Kept --Teksid is FIAT made by FIAT !!!!! ,Now they own Chrysler. [ just my Marauders Worth ]

[Spectragod]

This coming from the guy who bought all of his cars done...:lol::rofl::poke::duel:

And then re did them.......:eek:

[Curless]

And then re did them.......:eek:

Well, at least one of them! Oh wait, he did turn silver into a taxi!:eek:

[Spectragod]

Well, at least one of them! Oh wait, he did turn silver into a taxi!:eek:

He was picking up fares at WDC......

[Curless]

He was picking up fares at WDC......


LMAO! I would have liked to have hung out but I am not hangin with the guys from MCM...ever. That is a beat horse though, anyways...what oil do you run?

[SpartaPerformance]

What about

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[boatmangc]

With all the S/C Marauders for sale lately buy one already Blown and save your self a ton of cash and time.

Like button right there!!!

Put a whipple on mine and turn it up!!

[Ourobos]

I'd build the marauder motor. Kellogg Cobra crank, cobra rods (~$300 each), pistons about $700... For $1,300 in a rotating assembly, plus machine work, gaskets, studs, etc you can have a bullet proof bottom end. Actually what I'm doing (but I have a spare Teksid sitting here). The closer you can stay to standard bore on these engines the more power they have been shown to handle. I'd go with a TVS also instead of a whipple.

[MOTOWN]

I'd build the marauder motor. Kellogg Cobra crank, cobra rods (~$300 each), pistons about $700... For $1,300 in a rotating assembly, plus machine work, gaskets, studs, etc you can have a bullet proof bottom end. Actually what I'm doing (but I have a spare Teksid sitting here). The closer you can stay to standard bore on these engines the more power they have been shown to handle. I'd go with a TVS also instead of a whipple.

What:confused: Where exactly did you come up with the "standard bore theory":confused::confused:

[Zack]

I'd build the marauder motor. Kellogg Cobra crank, cobra rods (~$300 each), pistons about $700... For $1,300 in a rotating assembly, plus machine work, gaskets, studs, etc you can have a bullet proof bottom end. Actually what I'm doing (but I have a spare Teksid sitting here). The closer you can stay to standard bore on these engines the more power they have been shown to handle. I'd go with a TVS also instead of a whipple.

If you slap used rods in you are a clown.

All rods need to be checked, and that costs about 100 bucks or more if they need correcting.

New rods are a hair over $400.

[Zack]

What:confused: Where exactly did you come up with the "standard bore theory":confused::confused:

Exactly!!!

What in the actual F

[Ourobos]

Who said just slap the rods in, clown?

If you do your research, you know the modular Ford's weakness is it's lack of thickness between the steel sleeves. The rod ratio angle is near perfect, thus the closer you can keep it to standard bore the more power it will take before it breaks. I could find you the article talking about this by one of the worlds fastest modulars. It's mentioned by George Klass and I believe John Mihovetz also. Granted, I'm talking 1000+ hp engines, but fact is fact.

[Ourobos]

Here, googled for you, post #73.

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=417514&page=5

I'll trust his experience over yours any day.

[MOTOWN]

LMAO!!! you can't be serious????? if some one wrote it on the internet it has to be true right? you are truly showing your lack of knowledge , and you have totally taken that post out of its original context.

[Marauderjack]

The guy building my motor says he never goes past 0.020" overbore with these blocks and was very happy my OLD block only needed a 0.003" honing!!:beer:

I have no reason to doubt his experiences and it does make sense that a "standard bore" would be somewhat stronger!!:cool:

[Ourobos]

Motown your arrogance is astounding.. It's not just something 'read on the internet', you might want to check the sources before you start spewing your 'knowledge'. These guys have the record for the MOST POWERFUL and FASTEST modular Ford engines.. Ever.. You'd probably disregard John Kaase's advice on building an engine, if he posted to you online.. SMH

[MOTOWN]

Motown your arrogance is astounding.. It's not just something 'read on the internet', you might want to check the sources before you start spewing your 'knowledge'. These guys have the record for the MOST POWERFUL and FASTEST modular Ford engines.. Ever.. You'd probably disregard John Kaase's advice on building an engine, if he posted to you online.. SMH

I speak from experience , and over 20 years of building engines! i hate it when someone passes on misinformation totally taken out of its original context , and then acts as if they "know" what they are talking about! you have made it perfectly clear that you are 100% clueless:shake:

[Ourobos]

I've built over 150 engines myself, and it is you who is misrepresenting the facts buddy. I have shown you proof from people with FAR more knowledge than me or even almighty you. Yet you have offered no proof to the contrary, just YOUR opinion..

[MOTOWN]

I've built over 150 engines myself, and it is you who is misrepresenting the facts buddy. I have shown you proof from people with FAR more knowledge than me or even almighty you. Yet you have offered no proof to the contrary, just YOUR opinion..

Proof??? this is as obvious as what number comes after 1 ! , ok you have it all figured out , proceed!

[Ourobos]

Bore yours .125" over, who cares, you're a waste of my time.

[sailsmen]

The Bigger the hole the stronger the hole for it's the hole that gives it strength!
Hence the term the whole hole.

[Ourobos]

That's what SHE wants you to think... :P

[hotford]

Bidg bore will give more HP, as for not boring the block more than .020 over Ive seen alot of mod motors go as high as .040 making in excess of 800 rwhp with no issues, that being said its not 2000 hp either.......but im pretty sure those guys making that level of hp aren't using stock blocks either, a FFRP version which im sure can with stand those levels........

[Ourobos]

Boring a block won't gain you many cubic inches.. .020" over is only a few cubic inches. Even if you are making 1 hp per cubic inch, that's not much. And actually, they are using stock blocks (teksid), at 281 cu..

[chief455]

:popcorn:I'm bored.

Original poster of the thread ran away.

[Spectragod]

I've built over 150 engines myself, and it is you who is misrepresenting the facts buddy. I have shown you proof from people with FAR more knowledge than me or even almighty you. Yet you have offered no proof to the contrary, just YOUR opinion..

The 2 posters you snubbed with your posts probably know more about Marauders and Mod motors than most people..... but then again, you have theory's.........:shake:

[Ourobos]

Mine aren't theories pal, and they're not mine anyways.. And I don't doubt they have more experience with marauder's, we're talking about engine building and what makes a strong engine, or I was at least. You can swing on whoever's nuts you chose though.

[Spectragod]

Mine aren't theories pal, and they're not mine anyways.. And I don't doubt they have more experience with marauder's, we're talking about engine building and what makes a strong engine, or I was at least. You can swing on whoever's nuts you chose though.

First..... I'm not your pal.

Second, there's no need to attack anyone, especially those who are trying to help others

Third, it takes one to know one, so who's nuts are you swinging from.

Forth, ***, better yet, a bag of them.

I'd suggest making an attempt at learning, as opposed to being on some defensive that makes you feel like you need a chip on your shoulder. There's nothing wrong being a contributor, and you may have much to share, but there are others that have been down the modular Ford motor route, and have done and tried many things, those are good people to learn from....

[Ourobos]

Shows your stupidity pal (professional ass licker).. I was attacked, I have only given it back to those who dish it out. Read the thread if you're capable. My initial response was help for the OP, you have had nothing to add to the thread.

[Spectragod]

I have plenty to add.... You think you were attacked, you are being way too sensitive.

I am very capable of reading.....

Sometimes it is better to listen than to speak up, you learn more that way.

Post #4 was where I jumped in, with suggestions for the OP, you started giving long time members here 3 kinds of hell.

[Ourobos]

No, long time members started giving me three kinds of hell.. I just give it back.

[Spectragod]

No, long time members started giving me three kinds of hell.. I just give it back.

It's the internet, don't take it to heart.

When it comes to Marauders and what can be done, most of these guys have done it already and know what will and won't work, along with best bang for the buck etc.

[Mac-MerC]

Shows your stupidity pal (professional ass licker)

ahhh haaa
I love this ****

[lji372]

And then re did them.......:eek:

^^^truth

all be it payed dearly to have them done:violin:


but worth it :banana2:

[cer0413]

ahhh haaa
I love this ****
lololololololololololololol!!! !!!!!!!!

[MMinWPB]

Just trying to read about a Whipple setup...if I have to lick asses and swing from balls I might be better off finding that $8500 Trilogy kit that I've heard about that's out there...

[wannaMM]

"That" Trilogy got shipped to Germany...its goin to be tearin up the autobaun....

[Spectragod]

Just trying to read about a Whipple setup...if I have to lick asses and swing from balls I might be better off finding that $8500 Trilogy kit that I've heard about that's out there...

I think those activities are optional.

[Guittard22]

LMAO!!! you can't be serious????? if some one wrote it on the internet it has to be true right? you are truly showing your lack of knowledge , and you have totally taken that post out of its original context.



But but the internet has never been wrong :D

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

Just trying to read about a Whipple setup...if I have to lick asses and swing from balls I might be better off finding that $8500 Trilogy kit that I've heard about that's out there...

Just buy Zack's. He will even give you a discount for licking and swinging.

[cer0413]

I think those activities are optional.
You just made me laugh and fart at once. Kinda hurt lol

[Spectragod]

You just made me laugh and fart at once. Kinda hurt lol

I just shipped my pants....