Looking for a new performance engine

[Lowndex]

I want to buy a brand new, high performance engine for my 2004 Marauder. Yes, dump they stock 461 and buy a Ford race engine. BRG Racing in Concord, CA will do the work. Now all I need is the engine.

You guys know Marauders better than anyone. So tell me, if you had the $, what is available that will:

1. Pass CA smog
2. Run on 91 octane
3. Use new high flow cats
4. 3" Cobra exhausts cut to fit

I already have the performance torque converter. Now, I need more non-aspirated power. I will add the Vortex super charger later.:banana2:

[88LTDCV351]

If your putting a completely different engine in there, there are a lot of hoops to jump through for California smog. You might have to see a smog referee? Or take it to a special place to get it tested. It can't pollute more than the original engine and must have all the smog components. I think its costs mega bucks and that is why some manufacturers of aftermarket parts don't even bother, i.e. Trilogy never got a CARB number to legally put superchargers on Marauders for us Cali folks :-(. Search the California Air Resource board website.

I saw on an episode of Pimp my ride many years ago, they put a bio diesel engine in a car and since it ran cleaner than the stock engine, they allowed it to pass but I'm sure special permissions and testing had to be done with the California ARB. I think Arnold Swartzeneger was on that episode talking about how clean technology is the future or some such.

Why not just go with the Vortech and use your stock engine?

I've tried to find CA legal high flow cats but didn't see any out there. Let me know if you find anything.

[RubberCtyRauder]

Modular Mustang Racing(MMR) in Cali.hAs motors

[myrodr]

If the cash was there for it, I would do a ford racing 5.0 boss and go turbo!

[Marauderjack]

Ask BRG Racing what you need to do......wouldn't they know??:confused:

[88LTDCV351]

Contact Brian, aka dohc324ci He is in Cali and has one of those MMR engines in his MM. He can tell you more. I think if the work is all internal, the smog technician can't tell and is only concerned you pass the sniffer.

[MM in MN]

IMHO, quit screwing around with these mouse motors and go straight to an R code FE 427. You'll easily get more HP & torque than anything you can do to these motors, they're just about indestructible, and not have any computer compatibility issues, it should fit no problem & be the only one out there.

[88LTDCV351]

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=94229 (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=94229)

CARB website: http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/replace.htm (http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/replace.htm)

Replacement EnginesEntire engines can be replacement parts. As with any other replacement part, the engine must be identical to the original

If the engine is not identical to the original then it is not a replacement part, instead it is considered an engine change.Engine changes are a modification that must meet certain requirements to be legal (please see "Engine Changes").

Engine ChangesEngine changes are legal as long as the following requirements are met to ensure that the change does not increase pollution from the vehicle:

The engine must be the same year or newer than the vehicle.
The engine must be from the same type of vehicle (passenger car, light-duty truck, heavy-duty truck, etc.) based on gross vehicle weight.
If the vehicle is a California certified vehicle then the engine must also be a California certified engine.
All emissions control equipment must remain on the installed engine.
Vehicles converted to 100% electric drive, with all power supplied by on-board batteries are considered in compliance with the engine change requirements. All fuel system components must be removed prior to inspection. For additional information contact the ARB helpline at (800) 242-4450
After an engine change, vehicles must first be inspected by a state referee station. The vehicle will be inspected to ensure that all the equipment required is in place, and vehicle will be emissions tested subject to the specifications of the installed engine.

[Lowndex]

Ask BRG Racing what you need to do......wouldn't they know??:confused:


Agreed. But I value the input of you guys.

[Lowndex]

If your putting a completely different engine in there, there are a lot of hoops to jump through for California smog. You might have to see a smog referee? Or take it to a special place to get it tested. It can't pollute more than the original engine and must have all the smog components. I think its costs mega bucks and that is why some manufacturers of aftermarket parts don't even bother, i.e. Trilogy never got a CARB number to legally put superchargers on Marauders for us Cali folks :-(. Search the California Air Resource board website.

I saw on an episode of Pimp my ride many years ago, they put a bio diesel engine in a car and since it ran cleaner than the stock engine, they allowed it to pass but I'm sure special permissions and testing had to be done with the California ARB. I think Arnold Swartzeneger was on that episode talking about how clean technology is the future or some such.

Why not just go with the Vortech and use your stock engine?

I've tried to find CA legal high flow cats but didn't see any out there. Let me know if you find anything.


My current motor has valve and lifter problems. AT 90,000 miles, I would rather replace than fix. I am using this as the opportunity to upgrade to more non-aspirated rbhp.

[Lowndex]

Contact Brian, aka dohc324ci He is in Cali and has one of those MMR engines in his MM. He can tell you more. I think if the work is all internal, the smog technician can't tell and is only concerned you pass the sniffer.


http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=94229

Yes, but you have to pass the visual inspection. Anything not original has to have a CARB Executive Order number on it. Although, I've heard some smog techs don't know what a Marauder engine looks like.
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[Lowndex]

Contact Brian, aka dohc324ci He is in Cali and has one of those MMR engines in his MM. He can tell you more. I think if the work is all internal, the smog technician can't tell and is only concerned you pass the sniffer.

I emailed MMR yesterday. They responded saying they had no information about their engines passing CA smog. I find their response troubling = not professional nor a choice for me.

[Lowndex]

If the cash was there for it, I would do a ford racing 5.0 boss and go turbo!

You mean, like this:
https://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField= 23300

[88LTDCV351]

I emailed MMR yesterday. They responded saying they had no information about their engines passing CA smog. I find their response troubling = not professional nor a choice for me.

Like I said contact Brian about MMR. He got his past Smog since it passes the visual inspection and sniffer. But I think they did give him a hard time since he had non-smog legal headers on it so he had to go to a smog referree.

If you do go Vortech, make sure it has this CARB E.O. number on it. D-213-24

[88LTDCV351]

[QUOTE=lowndex;1428205]http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=94229

Yes, but you have to pass the visual inspection. Anything not original has to have a CARB Executive Order number on it. Although, I've heard some smog techs don't know what a Marauder engine looks like.
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I think what Brian did was that MMR upgraded his existing engine or he got MMR parts for his existing engine and a shop did stuff internally to it. So I don't think it was technically a different engine or looked different on the outside.

[MMBLUE]

MMR for the win!!!!

[Marauderjack]

Agreed. But I value the input of you guys.

I would like to be able to help ya but ALL of my experiences with CARB have been disastrous!!:mad2::argue: :shake:

[88LTDCV351]

Have you contacted BRG Racing or AED for advice? Or that Borelli place? Maybe they can help point you to what can and can't be done?

[dohc324ci]

Lol I passed smog with my boss 5.0 stroker ported heads, intake and gt40 cams. Only when I swapped to frpp shorties no carb # did I fail but passed the sniffer. If I where you do the frpp boss 5.3 stroker coming out this year iirc and the vortech setup. The boss has the same deck height and looks OEM. Just keep your stock manifolds and stock looking as possible.

Ford Racing 5.3shortblock:
http://themustangsource.com/pri-2014-ford-racing-announces-new-modular-stroker-shortblock-and-aluminum-block-12066/

[chief455]

Seems like trying a lot to gain little, if anything, over a forged internal rebuild of your stock engine and adding a CARB numbered forced induction system later. Might still retain exhaust manifolds...
Objective is what rear wheel horsepower?

[justbob]

IMHO, quit screwing around with these mouse motors and go straight to an R code FE 427. You'll easily get more HP & torque than anything you can do to these motors, they're just about indestructible, and not have any computer compatibility issues, it should fit no problem & be the only one out there.


This made me laugh :Shake:


Builder Of Badassery

[justbob]

You are all thinking about all this for no reason.. How the hell would CARB know you changed your engine without you telling them? Stay with any 4.6 based block and your good to go! There is no visual difference externally from stock to an upgrade...


Builder Of Badassery

[MM in MN]

Hope I helped make you day, but I bet you thought about it just for a second... didn't you?

[88LTDCV351]

Lol I passed smog with my boss 5.0 stroker ported heads, intake and gt40 cams. Only when I swapped to frpp shorties no carb # did I fail but passed the sniffer. If I where you do the frpp boss 5.3 stroker coming out this year iirc and the vortech setup. The boss has the same deck height and looks OEM. Just keep your stock manifolds and stock looking as possible.

Ford Racing 5.3shortblock:
http://themustangsource.com/pri-2014-ford-racing-announces-new-modular-stroker-shortblock-and-aluminum-block-12066/

Thanks Brian. Figured you would eventually chime in.

[chief455]

This made me laugh :Shake:


Builder Of Badassery
Me too = FE? school bus engine in a MM?

You are all thinking about all this for no reason.. How the hell would CARB know you changed your engine without you telling them? Stay with any 4.6 based block and your good to go! There is no visual difference externally from stock to an upgrade...


Builder Of Badassery
I was thinking the same, but not living in Cali, not sure what those inspectors have for snoop tools.
I'm still curious what the OP has in mind for power? Another reason this thinking may be all for naught.

[Lowndex]

Okay, BRG Racing has selected the Ford Racing block to install - p/n: M-6009-A46X @ $5199.00, which is the only one Ford sells for the Marauder . It is a balanced motor will all forged parts.

BRG will provide:
1. top-end engine work
2. new Hughes transmission - http://www.hughesperformance.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=61&Itemid=63
3. install 4" Cobra stainless exhaust manifolds
4. add dual full exhaust system - TBD
5. Vortech suspercharger system - http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/page.php?id=30174

Non-aspirated, I should be 425 rbhp territory. Add a CA emissions approved Vortech supercharger and I am living large. All of this and the motor is certified for CA smog!

My will remains in tact: bury me in the Marauder.:beer:

[Lowndex]

Seems like trying a lot to gain little, if anything, over a forged internal rebuild of your stock engine and adding a CARB numbered forced induction system later. Might still retain exhaust manifolds...
Objective is what rear wheel horsepower?

Yes. I want a minimum of 350 and closer to 400, non-aspirated.

[Lowndex]

Thanks Brian. Figured you would eventually chime in.

Brian did not comment. I copied his remarks.

[chief455]

Ahhh, the Aluminator. Good choice.
Anyone have one in stock for you?

[Jeronimojc]

Non-aspirated, I should be 400 rbhp territory.


Non-aspirated will be in the 0 hp territory.

Congrats on the 46X. That's what I went with.



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[Bad_S55]

If money was no option, I'd just buy a 5.0 CAMMER crate engine. The problem is; not sure if it'll run happily on 91 (11:1 compression) and forget about emissions, it's a Grand Am race engine. I'm crazy though, and it costs $9000 off ebay. You could get a lot more power out of a stroked Ford 5.0 BOSS block with heavy cams, GT/Cobra R heads, & a FR500C CAMMER intake for about the same price.

[Lowndex]

BRG Racing is doing the entire project. KC is the owner and a former motorcycle racer.
http://www.brgracing.com/

Motor:
* Ford Racing 5.0L bottom-end - p/n: M-6009-A46X. It is a balanced motor will all forged parts.
* top-end engine work to follow - BRG Racing works with Livernois for CNC machining and balancing:
http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/

Transmission:
* new Hughes transmission - http://www.hughesperformance.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=61&Itemid=63

Exhaust:
* Cobra stainless exhaust manifolds - lengthened to fit Marauder
* full exhaust system - TBD (Maybe Stainless Works)

Blower:
* Vortech suspercharger system - http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/page.php?id=30174

Brakes:
* New front and rear kits - TBD

Non-aspirated, the target is 400 bhp or greater. Add a CA emissions approved Vortech supercharger and I am living large.

[Chayton]

Motor:
* Ford Racing 5.0L bottom-end - p/n: M-6009-A46X. It is a balanced motor will all forged parts.
* top-end engine work to follow - BRG Racing works with Livernois for CNC machining and balancing:
http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/

Transmission:
* new Hughes transmission - http://www.hughesperformance.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=61&Itemid=63

Exhaust:
* Cobra stainless exhaust manifolds - lengthened to fit Marauder
* full exhaust system - TBD (Maybe Stainless Works)

Blower:
* Vortech suspercharger system - http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/page.php?id=30174

Brakes:
* New front and rear kits - TBD

Non-aspirated, I should be 425 rbhp territory. Add a CA emissions approved Vortech supercharger and I am living large.

I was just at BRG the other day with my friend! He was having a dyno tune done on his 69 camaro. Im interested to see how this build goes... Id love to see the car maybe we could arrange a meetup in the future. Im about 20 minutes away from Concord.

[Lowndex]

I was just at BRG the other day with my friend! He was having a dyno tune done on his 69 camaro. Im interested to see how this build goes... Id love to see the car maybe we could arrange a meetup in the future. Im about 20 minutes away from Concord.

I turn my Marauder over to KC in 6 weeks. He needs now until then for motor build and custom exhaust work. KC has all my contact information. He plans to capture the project in video and pics for his website and my use here.

Once the car is done (early April), I will ask KC to invite you and other Marauder customers of BRG Racing to a Saturday event at the shop.