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detrailers
02-09-2015, 07:40 PM
Having difficulty finding the correct 9007 LED headlight bulbs. I know that I need the hi/low 9007 but the one I got the housong is too big to get the retainer around, looks like the 9007 lows would fit but then I would only have....lows

ctrlraven
02-09-2015, 08:28 PM
Retainer goes over the bulb part first, insert the bulb and then locks the bulb collar in place.

detrailers
02-09-2015, 08:32 PM
Its does not...the hi low 9007 led have a large housing on the rear of the bulb that the collar wont fit over. Collar wont fit over front or rear of the bulb

fastblackmerc
02-10-2015, 05:35 AM
Its does not...the hi low 9007 led have a large housing on the rear of the bulb that the collar wont fit over. Collar wont fit over front or rear of the bulb

Good Luck.

You'd be better off going with HIDs.

LED output still can't match HIDs.

fastblackmerc
02-10-2015, 05:40 AM
If you were able to get the LEDs to fit most of them won't allow the dust cover to fit properly. With the dust cover off you'll get all kind of nasty crap in the headlights. If you did get the LEDs to fit under the dust cover you'll not have proper cooling for the bulbs.

ctrlraven
02-10-2015, 07:04 AM
Good Luck.

You'd be better off going with HIDs.

LED output still can't match HIDs.

+1 on this. For what the LED headlights costs you can buy 3 or 4 HID kits.

Last time I looked, one site wanted $150 for a single beam LED light kit.

CrownVictorious
02-10-2015, 07:40 AM
as far as I've seen from posts on cvn: there is trimming involved to get the LED bulbs to fit. In the case of CVs, the plastic retaining collar was trimmed down. I know the GMQ & MM headlights are different, though. Hit up pweston, he is running those lights albeit on an Aero GMQ - but he may have some insight on what's needed to run them.

tmwlch1
02-10-2015, 07:50 AM
If you were able to get the LEDs to fit most of them won't allow the dust cover to fit properly. With the dust cover off you'll get all kind of nasty crap in the headlights. If you did get the LEDs to fit under the dust cover you'll not have proper cooling for the bulbs.
LED's should run cooler, that is why the navy is using them in their subs less heat to be tracked.

detrailers
02-10-2015, 08:04 AM
Thanks guys...looks like hid is a better way to go

eric jones
02-10-2015, 08:44 AM
super bright LEDs offers a kit for the 9007. The kit comes with bulbs, connectors and a fan

ctrlraven
02-10-2015, 08:48 AM
LED's should run cooler, that is why the navy is using them in their subs less heat to be tracked.
That is true BUT with a lot of these LED headlight bulbs there is a mini fan on the unit which is extracting the heat but with the dust cover on it, the heat really has no where to escape to.
https://www.lifetimeledlights.com/sites/default/files/styles/products_display/public/products/LLLHL-9007-02.jpg?itok=J0Dyjb-M

Thanks guys...looks like hid is a better way to go
The lumens output is much higher on the HID (3000-3200 lumens for low and high beam depending on the K temp you get, I recommend 4300, 5000 or 6000k) vs the LED (2000 lumens for low beam/2600 lumens for high beam). Standard halogen bulb is about 1300 lumens for low beam and 2000 lumens for high beam.

detrailers
02-10-2015, 08:57 AM
That does it....im going hid. I think what makes it diffy on our cars is that we use dual beam 9007s. I plugged in the 9007 leds and it was barely a difference between hi and low. Plus the low position was brigher than the high!

Just ordered a set of the 55w Xentecs

RacerX
02-10-2015, 10:12 AM
That is true BUT with a lot of these LED headlight bulbs there is a mini fan on the unit which is extracting the heat but with the dust cover on it, the heat really has no where to escape to.
https://www.lifetimeledlights.com/sites/default/files/styles/products_display/public/products/LLLHL-9007-02.jpg?itok=J0Dyjb-M

The lumens output is much higher on the HID (3000-3200 lumens for low and high beam depending on the K temp you get, I recommend 4300, 5000 or 6000k) vs the LED (2000 lumens for low beam/2600 lumens for high beam). Standard halogen bulb is about 1300 lumens for low beam and 2000 lumens for high beam.

I just got those exact LEDs in that pic for $70 on fleabay, two, brand new in the box. Installed on wife's Mountaineer to test them out. She has the dust covers like our MMs so I'll see what temps are inside when it warms up this Spring. 5000k. Really nice upgrade!

fastblackmerc
02-10-2015, 11:55 AM
+1 on this. For what the LED headlights costs you can buy 3 or 4 HID kits.

Last time I looked, one site wanted $150 for a single beam LED light kit.

The way to go is a dual HID bulb with 4 ballasts HID kit.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/35-Watt-55-Watt-Bi-Xenon-Dual-Beam-HID-Conversion-Kit-9004-4-9007-4-H4-4-H13-4-/111373913068?pt=LH_DefaultDoma in_0&var=&hash=item19ee670bec

Just need to find a place to mount the four ballasts.

detrailers
02-19-2015, 08:01 AM
The way to go is a dual HID bulb with 4 ballasts HID kit.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/35-Watt-55-Watt-Bi-Xenon-Dual-Beam-HID-Conversion-Kit-9004-4-9007-4-H4-4-H13-4-/111373913068?pt=LH_DefaultDoma in_0&var=&hash=item19ee670bec

Just need to find a place to mount the four ballasts.
After I PMd you this a.m. I went back to this thread. Dual ballast kit is the way to go. Returning my Xentec kit and going with this one...

marauder'10
03-29-2015, 10:37 PM
I recently installed a LED headlight kit on my car Ill comment again with pics later

fastblackmerc
03-30-2015, 06:30 AM
I recently installed a LED headlight kit on my car Ill comment again with pics later

I'd like to know how they work during or after driving in a heavy rain.

detrailers
03-30-2015, 10:53 AM
^^^^^^^+1 on that. I cant see how the caps could go back on...

marauder'10
03-30-2015, 02:58 PM
Ill take some pictures tonight. Ill agree the hi beam doesnt have a huge difference from the lo but they dont burn anywhere near as hot and i modified my dust covers to allow the wires to come through but they are still sealed.

detrailers
04-07-2015, 08:19 AM
I think you installed HIDs, not LEDs....

detrailers
04-07-2015, 08:23 AM
as far as I've seen from posts on cvn: there is trimming involved to get the LED bulbs to fit. In the case of CVs, the plastic retaining collar was trimmed down. I know the GMQ & MM headlights are different, though. Hit up pweston, he is running those lights albeit on an Aero GMQ - but he may have some insight on what's needed to run them.

Agreed the plastic collar can be trimmed to fit it's the dust cap thats impossible to fit and like FBM said if you did get it on there it would get a bit HAWT in the housing! I know the 9007s I had had cooling fans on the back of them

fastblackmerc
04-07-2015, 08:25 AM
Ill take some pictures tonight. Ill agree the hi beam doesnt have a huge difference from the lo but they dont burn anywhere near as hot and i modified my dust covers to allow the wires to come through but they are still sealed.

The wires aren't the problem. The cooling required by the LED bulbs is the problem as I see it. Every decent LED headlight bulb I've seen has a big cooling fan on the rear end. I'd assume that cooling fan need to be exposed to some airflow out the back of the headlight assembly. If you keep the cooling fan inside the headlight assembly there is no way to keep the bulb cool.

detrailers
04-07-2015, 08:27 AM
Post pics...now I gotta see it...

lifespeed
04-07-2015, 08:34 AM
Interesting, I was not aware LED headlights were ready for prime time. As far as fan cooling, that is a guaranteed point of failure and not particularly desirable. Unless they do one heck of a job on an automotive-grade fan, and you know how likely that is with the aftermarket :rolleyes:

fastblackmerc
04-07-2015, 08:47 AM
There are two types of LED headlight bulbs:

This style are the best ones... only ones I'd consider using.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Latest-9007-HB5-Super-White-60W-ETI-2S-LED-Headlight-Kit-8000LM-Hi-Low-Dual-Beam-/281655135210?hash=item4193f44b ea&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/3200LM-Cree-40W-9007-HB5-High-Power-LED-6500K-White-headlight-Dual-Beam-Lamp-/261586783269?hash=item3ce7c98c 25&vxp=mtr

The cheaper ones are like this... I'd never use these.. you'd be better off doing HIDs.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-HID-White-High-Power-9007-HB5-Headlight-Low-Beam-Headlamp-Samsung-LED-Bulbs-/161615684778?hash=item25a10ba4 aa&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2xCREE-80W-LED-9007-HB5-Super-Bright-White-Fog-Tail-DRL-Head-Car-Light-Bulb-Lamp-/161514139999?pt=Motors_Car_Tru ck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item259afe315f&vxp=mtr

As you can see the first type has a cooling fan. Eventhough most of the bulbs meet the IP65 weatherproof spec, what happens when the fan dies or some crap gets lodged in the fan? Keep the fan sealed in the headlight housing will cause the bulbs to burn out quicker since you'd be trying to cool the bulb with increasing hot air.