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martyo
03-17-2015, 06:59 AM
Well, with my '74 Z28 Camaro project wrapping up, I decided it was time to start looking for my next project. I had my sites set on a 77-81 Z28 or Trans Am. A couple of weeks ago I spotted a nice '78 Trans Am.

Pat, a great member of our forum, agreed to go look at the car for me and he gave it the thumbs up!

So, I began negotiating. We reached a deal over the weekend so yesterday I sent one of my auto transporters to pay and pick up the car from Texas. He picked it up last evening and will be dropping it off at my home shop around dinner time tonight.

I figure I will tag and insure the car and then drive it around some before I decide what exactly to do with it. I have always wanted one of these cars and am super excited. I cannot wait to see it in person!

Car loaded up and headed to its new home:


http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/PB1_zps08aok4g3.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/PB1_zps08aok4g3.jpg.html)

And a few pics of the car as it sat when I found it:

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/TA%207_zpsrrrskcea.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/TA%207_zpsrrrskcea.jpg.html)

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/TA%2034_zpsalks3s75.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/TA%2034_zpsalks3s75.jpg.html)

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/635591857366209488-2_zpsv5gwu6d6.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/635591857366209488-2_zpsv5gwu6d6.jpg.html)


http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/TA%2029_zpsrevib5qg.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/TA%2029_zpsrevib5qg.jpg.html)


http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/TA%2030_zpslpcvm6sj.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/TA%2030_zpslpcvm6sj.jpg.html)

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/TA%2038_zpszw7zbuha.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/TA%2038_zpszw7zbuha.jpg.html)

jwibbity
03-17-2015, 07:04 AM
wow that thing is super clean!!!!! :beer:

a_d_a_m
03-17-2015, 07:05 AM
Awesome!

My dad had a '75 'Bird that he later put a '77-8 front end on. It looked much cooler that way.

Baconbit
03-17-2015, 07:06 AM
Wow beautiful car! And in really great shape! I'm undecided on the color but it's a T/A so it's all good. I would be half afraid to do anything to it since it is in such nice shape buuuutttttt, I hear pro-tour/resto-mod with the oversize snowflake wheels and built suspension. Ohhh the possibilities. :banana2:

stevengerard
03-17-2015, 07:26 AM
Great looking car. One day I'd like to find a '75 - '77 Formula.

Just for you Marty I'll dig around and find some gold chains for you to hang on the rear-view mirror. And a bottle of Polo you can spray on the carpets to give it that correct era smell.

CWright
03-17-2015, 07:28 AM
That a great looking ride! Congrats!

martyo
03-17-2015, 07:31 AM
Great looking car. One day I'd like to find a '75 - '77 Formula.

Just for you Marty I'll dig around and find some gold chains for you to hang on the rear-view mirror. And a bottle of Polo you can spray on the carpets to give it that correct era smell.

I got the Polo on today!!!!!

junior
03-17-2015, 07:38 AM
I had a brand spanking new '78 black T/A, a '78 white T/A, and a '78 formula 400. They were California equipped cars (all smogged out) and the T/A's always overheated if you played with them too much. The formula was my favorite, but it was plain jane. What a blast from the past. They were the best looking cars of those years.

Bad_S55
03-17-2015, 07:43 AM
What a beauty! Nice find man!!

martyo
03-17-2015, 07:55 AM
What a blast from the past. They were the best looking cars of those years.

I concur.

...

Haggis
03-17-2015, 07:58 AM
Nice find Marty, I'm jealous.

MERCULES
03-17-2015, 08:29 AM
Gorgeous car, and the safer/slower DTR version, sweeeeettt!!!! :)

ctrlraven
03-17-2015, 09:29 AM
Sharp! Congrats!

Cosgrandmarquis
03-17-2015, 09:58 AM
Never seen one that clean! Nice color too!

RubberCtyRauder
03-17-2015, 10:09 AM
Looks nice! MOntiac, MO TA

Mr. Man
03-17-2015, 10:14 AM
Nice find. Good luck with it.

martyo
03-17-2015, 10:46 AM
Looks nice! MOntiac, MO TA

Plates are the next big issue for me!

prchrman
03-17-2015, 12:28 PM
but you could have gotten one of these 1978 ground shakers :-)

http://www.hdwalls.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/1978-Ford-Mustang-King-Cobra.jpg

martyo
03-17-2015, 12:43 PM
but you could have gotten one of these 1978 ground shakers :-)

http://www.seriouswheels.com/1970-1979/1978-Ford-Mustang-King-Cobra.htm

Linky worky!

junior
03-17-2015, 01:37 PM
How about one of these tire smokers.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/1e4ddf578383fbb23a43116682cdbb e8/tumblr_merehul7UB1qzut9po1_500 .jpg

martyo
03-17-2015, 02:32 PM
How about one of these tire smokers.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/1e4ddf578383fbb23a43116682cdbb e8/tumblr_merehul7UB1qzut9po1_500 .jpg

I actually liked them back in the day!

stevengerard
03-17-2015, 02:40 PM
I actually liked them back in the day!

Noooo Marty Nooooo:puke:

chief455
03-17-2015, 03:31 PM
Good looking example of what used to be a common car.
I imagine you focused on getting a rust free body, which is super important.
The other parts common to be beat are the dash pad, the rear side plastics and sail panels, which look good in your car. Even the seats look decent!
Having owned, restored several of the gen 2 T/A and Formula - I'm happy to see the traditional Pontiac engine :)
78 was a transitional year to include the Old's 403 in a T/A which is getting more common to find in the nicer cars.
I know you'll be swapping that out for an LS9 or something, so I almost wish you got a 403 car ;)
I'm looking forward to what you do to it Marty, it will be a nicer car after you get through it.
Oh, and this was the best vehicle from 1978

justbob
03-17-2015, 08:17 PM
Wow that sucka is CLEAN!


Builder Of Badassery

lji372
03-17-2015, 09:01 PM
No marauder no care :shake:










J/k very cool Marty, congrats!!

RubberCtyRauder
03-18-2015, 01:30 AM
TRNSAMO
or if you do a LS swap
MOLSWS6

Marauderjack
03-18-2015, 02:40 AM
TRNSAMO

Good one!!:beer:

TRANSAMO

Some states get 8 letters.....SC doesn't but GA might!!:confused:

Granddaddy Marq
03-18-2015, 06:36 AM
We got pictures! I've always liked those cars. And I've never seen that color before. Well done Marty.

DEFYANT
03-18-2015, 08:17 AM
You need a TV show!

Mr. Man
03-18-2015, 09:05 AM
Good looking example of what used to be a common car.
I imagine you focused on getting a rust free body, which is super important.
The other parts common to be beat are the dash pad, the rear side plastics and sail panels, which look good in your car. Even the seats look decent!
Having owned, restored several of the gen 2 T/A and Formula - I'm happy to see the traditional Pontiac engine :)
78 was a transitional year to include the Old's 403 in a T/A which is getting more common to find in the nicer cars.
I know you'll be swapping that out for an LS9 or something, so I almost wish you got a 403 car ;)
I'm looking forward to what you do to it Marty, it will be a nicer car after you get through it.
Oh, and this was the best vehicle from 1978I had access to one of the J series trucks at a farm I worked on as a youngin'. Try as I might to get that thing stuck it always trudged through whatever I drove it into. Spartan interior, but a 4wheeling monster. :)

younga1
03-18-2015, 10:00 AM
Very Nice!! Good things come from Texas. I have a new toy as well. Will post pics soon.

chief455
03-18-2015, 10:26 AM
I had access to one of the J series trucks at a farm I worked on as a youngin'. Try as I might to get that thing stuck it always trudged through whatever I drove it into. Spartan interior, but a 4wheeling monster. :)
Amen to that. In CT 1978 had a major ice storm, my brothers J10 with sport package and my bosses Golden Eagle made it places police could not get. And a few Fords stuck in mud, well, the J10 just lugged them out.
QuadraTrac was amazing for the era. And, the nicer trucks had a T/A style interior! brushed dash, 3 gauge pod, 3 spoke wheel, buckets seats and arm rest. See images. They were car/trucks, and drove the road / cornered awesome. 360 or 401, TH400, Dana rears....
Back to Marty's T/A thread...

Crown Vicman
03-18-2015, 10:47 AM
100 times better than any camaro of any year. Great find

chief455
03-18-2015, 02:22 PM
100 times better than any camaro of any year. Great find
^^this x100!

martyo
03-24-2015, 10:17 AM
Well, when the car was delivered last week.

I was a bit disappointed with the condition of the paint although the overall contain of the car was very good. It became clear to me that the pictures presented in the sale ad for the car were three years old. When I was negotiating to purchase the car, one of the pictures showed a registration sticker that was from 2012. I specifically asked the seller about this and he told me that the pictures were current and that the car was just being driven on expired tags. This was a lie and when I got the car it had a current tag on it - demonstrating that the seller lied.

At this point, having had one of my drivers make a 1,300 mile roundtrip to go get the car, there was not much I could do except try to improve the paint. So, on Saturday the guy that handles the cutting and buffing on our cars came to my home shop and worked his magic on the car. I also put the 17" Snowflakes on the car.

I think the results were very good but now I need to lower the car so my net step will be to order lowering blocks for the rear and tubular A arms for the front.

Here are some pictures as the car stands now:

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/PB6_zpsthxcmyti.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/PB6_zpsthxcmyti.jpg.html)

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/PB5_zpsziibwvja.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/PB5_zpsziibwvja.jpg.html)
http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/PB4_zps4i1heo8i.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/PB4_zps4i1heo8i.jpg.html)

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/PB1_zpsrilhxfnl.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/PB1_zpsrilhxfnl.jpg.html)

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/PB2_zpsrv3ksedb.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/PB2_zpsrv3ksedb.jpg.html)

345HP87SSAC
03-24-2015, 10:28 AM
That is clean. I like!

RubberCtyRauder
03-24-2015, 04:20 PM
Your detail guy done it good! Mighty shiny under the lights in your home shop!

Bigdogjim
03-25-2015, 12:24 AM
The new find is "hot" the garage looks full? Now that a good thing.

We need to start calling you "Jay" :laugh:

One day I will deliver a new coach in your area and will stop in and say hi!

martyo
03-25-2015, 04:42 AM
One day I will deliver a new coach in your area and will stop in and say hi!

Sounds good!

jflave
03-25-2015, 07:46 AM
Black SS also got my attention. Nice

camelgrundle
03-25-2015, 08:51 AM
2 mustangs a nova and a corvette? Just guessing on the wheels. Nice garage!

Zack
03-25-2015, 08:52 AM
2 mustangs a nova and a corvette? Just guessing on the wheels. Nice garage!

You've named about 1/8 of his fleet

camelgrundle
03-25-2015, 09:02 AM
You've named about 1/8 of his fleet

Lol... hard work must pay off. Something I am not familiar with :)

junior
03-25-2015, 09:14 AM
2 mustangs a nova and a corvette? Just guessing on the wheels. Nice garage!

Looks like (2) corvettes, a '63ish up top and a mid to late 70's below. :bows:

camelgrundle
03-25-2015, 10:18 AM
That guy was hiding on me.

martyo
03-25-2015, 10:31 AM
Black SS also got my attention. Nice


2 mustangs a nova and a corvette? Just guessing on the wheels. Nice garage!


You've named about 1/8 of his fleet


Lol... hard work must pay off. Something I am not familiar with :)


Looks like (2) corvettes, a '63ish up top and a mid to late 70's below. :bows:


That guy was hiding on me.



You guys spend too much time looking in the background. From now on, I am not going to keep the car I want you to look at in the front !!!

The Corvettes are a '64 and '69. The Mustangs are both '93s. The SS is a '69 Nova.

I am surprised no one talked about the green fork lift. Lol!!

chief455
03-25-2015, 12:50 PM
78 WS-6 T/A = nice addition to your diverse collection.
Sorry you encountered the 'seller lied' ordeal, sucks every time.
Looks great so far! :)

camelgrundle
03-25-2015, 01:00 PM
What does full service entail in your personal garage? Lol..

martyo
03-25-2015, 01:30 PM
What does full service entail in your personal garage? Lol..

Well, I get a happy ending overtime!!! :D

RubberCtyRauder
03-25-2015, 02:26 PM
The green forklift matches Dom's hair

martyo
03-25-2015, 03:29 PM
The green forklift matches Dom's hair

He was my inspiration for the paint job!!!

lji372
03-25-2015, 04:41 PM
The green forklift matches Zack and dom's hair

Fixed it for ya!!


True story:beatnik:



Marty how do you ever call a car done?

martyo
03-25-2015, 08:08 PM
Marty how do you ever call a car done?

I'm sorry if I used the word "done." :D

tbone
03-26-2015, 05:56 AM
I love those cars. Especially the ones before the one piece plastic front fascia that looks like melted plastic after a couple years. The 6.6 always reminds me of the Sammy Hagar song.....

I'll own one of these before I die.

martyo
04-19-2015, 07:31 AM
We got the ride height dialed in and I think we nailed the stance....

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/PB_zpsvurt0o5p.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/PB_zpsvurt0o5p.jpg.html)

BigM460
04-19-2015, 09:14 AM
Looks HOT! Soooooo much better! :up:

camelgrundle
04-19-2015, 09:41 AM
Almost looks photoshopped lol. Looks real good sir.

RubberCtyRauder
04-19-2015, 09:51 AM
All we need now is Mizz MO in her wedding dress and you in a cheesy cowboy hat and Jeff driving a KW going on a Diet Mtn Dew Run with one of your dogs riding shotgun with him.:D

chief455
04-19-2015, 03:26 PM
Sexy as hell, but I'm partial to Poncho's ;)

Roadwarrior
04-19-2015, 04:17 PM
Looking good Marty.

FreddieH
04-19-2015, 05:17 PM
Sweet and Clean

MMBLUE
04-20-2015, 12:31 AM
We got the ride height dialed in and I think we nailed the stance....

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/PB_zpsvurt0o5p.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/PB_zpsvurt0o5p.jpg.html)

I think I just wet my pants :eek:

chief455
07-01-2015, 03:56 PM
We got the ride height dialed in and I think we nailed the stance....

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/PB_zpsvurt0o5p.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/PB_zpsvurt0o5p.jpg.html)
Sooo, what is the status on Project Poncho?

martyo
07-01-2015, 05:14 PM
Sooo, what is the status on Project Poncho?

Driving it and enjoying it!

It has nice cold AC and killer tunes!!!!

RubberCtyRauder
07-01-2015, 05:45 PM
sMOkey and the bandit

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu92/mdnos/banditmo_zpsohtbgtbu.jpg

chief455
07-01-2015, 05:45 PM
Driving it and enjoying it!

It has nice cold AC and killer tunes!!!!
:beer: Keep it Pontiac powered and enjoy the old days!

martyo
07-01-2015, 06:09 PM
:beer: Keep it Pontiac powered and enjoy the old days!

That is what I have been doing!

martyo
07-01-2015, 06:11 PM
sMOkey


Where was this when I was trying to pick a license plate????

chief455
07-01-2015, 06:27 PM
That is what I have been doing!
when you feel the need - KRE d-port heads on top of a 474" stroker kit stuffed inside the stock block with a hydraulic roller cam and EFI... look stock and make 600+ on 93
no, no LSX = go Poncho!!:banana:

Where was this when I was trying to pick a license plate????
thought the same thing - that's clever!

lifespeed
07-01-2015, 07:56 PM
Beautiful car, congrats! I remember wanting one of those before I was old enough to drive.

What did you do to the front end to lower it?

martyo
07-02-2015, 06:09 AM
What did you do to the front end to lower it?

Tubular A arms and QA1 adjustable coil overs. Lets me set the ride height of a car exactly where I want it.

The parts are inbound for me to do my Bad Vacation LS swapped Nova that same way.

Joe Walsh
07-02-2015, 09:11 AM
Gorgeous T/A!!
My favorite Pontiac....shaker hood...'batmobile' front end....cool exhaust tips and one if the best looking OEM wheels ever made.
My college roommate had a '77...78? silver 350 Formula T-top...was a sweet car.

lifespeed
07-02-2015, 09:19 AM
Tubular A arms and QA1 adjustable coil overs. Lets me set the ride height of a car exactly where I want it.

The parts are inbound for me to do my Bad Vacation LS swapped Nova that same way.

Coilovers are the only way to fly!

martyo
07-02-2015, 09:25 AM
Coilovers are the only way to fly!

I put a set of Hotchkis springs and shocks on it. They lasted 15 miles before I took them off. I should have just gone with my tried and true approach the first g round.

I wil post up pics of the Nova when I have some time to photo bucket the pic.

martyo
07-02-2015, 09:26 AM
Gorgeous T/A!!
My favorite Pontiac....shaker hood...'batmobile' front end....cool exhaust tips and one if the best looking OEM wheels ever made.
My college roommate had a '77...78? silver 350 Formula T-top...was a sweet car.

I love the Snowflake wheel. These are actuallly 17's (factory's are 15's) from Year One.

RubberCtyRauder
07-02-2015, 10:10 AM
I thought of TRNSAMO earlier when you got it. What plate did you make?

cpe6
07-11-2015, 01:35 PM
Nice clean find, would not want to modify that at all....

martyo
07-11-2015, 02:41 PM
I thought of TRNSAMO earlier when you got it. What plate did you make?

Just what you said!

martyo
07-11-2015, 02:42 PM
Nice clean find, would not want to modify that at all....

Modifying cars is an illness. :D

71cyclone
07-12-2015, 12:05 PM
I concur.

...

Wow - if im not mistaken ,the 6.6 TA means it is a Pontiac engine and not the Olds derivitave . Great score anyway you look at it.:burnout:

martyo
07-12-2015, 03:17 PM
Wow - if im not mistaken ,the 6.6 TA means it is a Pontiac engine and not the Olds derivitave . Great score anyway you look at it.:burnout:

You are correct, it is indeed Pontiac powered.

The car is currently a slug by today's standards, but a blast to drive nonetheless.

cpe6
07-15-2015, 07:06 AM
A classic slug.

lifespeed
07-15-2015, 09:53 AM
Wow - if im not mistaken ,the 6.6 TA means it is a Pontiac engine and not the Olds derivitave . Great score anyway you look at it.:burnout:

The 403 Olds was a better motor than the Pontiac, which has numerous weaknesses.

chief455
07-15-2015, 04:06 PM
Wow - if im not mistaken ,the 6.6 TA means it is a Pontiac engine and not the Olds derivitave . Great score anyway you look at it.:burnout:
Actually, the 6.6 decal was on both 400/403 powered cars.
the fifth VIN digit Z denotes Pontiac 400, along with instant visual confirmation loooking at the engine. Easiest = Olds motors have a front mount oil filler pipe - not on Poncho or Chevy powered GM cars.

The 403 Olds was a better motor than the Pontiac, which has numerous weaknesses.
Oh, shot to my heart!
I won't even ask, in my experience with making Pontiacs fast and reliable were design strengths!
I'm done, no thread hijack.

lifespeed
07-15-2015, 04:32 PM
Oh, shot to my heart!
I won't even ask, in my experience with making Pontiacs fast and reliable were design strengths!
I'm done, no thread hijack.

My first hot rods were Pontiacs, '71 LeMans Sport 350, then a '70 GTO I got without a drivetrain. My buddy had a '68 Firebird with a 428. Cylinder head flow wasn't that great, but the worst was the enormous crankshaft main bearing journal on 400ci and above. The bearing speed was too high and they would spin bearings.

I loved those cars, especially the GTO. They are why I own a Marauder today, as they are similar chassis cars. But I put a 454 Chevy rectangle port in it.

chief455
07-15-2015, 06:05 PM
My first hot rods were Pontiacs, '71 LeMans Sport 350, then a '70 GTO I got without a drivetrain. My buddy had a '68 Firebird with a 428. Cylinder head flow wasn't that great, but the worst was the enormous crankshaft main bearing journal on 400ci and above. The bearing speed was too high and they would spin bearings.

I loved those cars, especially the GTO. They are why I own a Marauder today, as they are similar chassis cars. But I put a 454 Chevy rectangle port in it.
You hit 2 of 3 general design flaws. The head flow by other engine standards, is low in CFM, even port volume in CC's.
But, that has been easily remedied with specific valve seat angle and short turn radius / bowl blending.
So, a mild port job on standard cast iron heads yield tremenous gain. What the heads did do, by design, is promote port velocity. Those 'small' runner ports on fairly large (400/421/428/455) engines made torque. Gobs of it. That was the Pontiac upper hand.
Another good thing on most heads was standerd equipped screw in studs and stamped steel pushrod guide plates. No need to machine for those needed things, like most 'other' brand engines.
The main bearing journal issue you mention is on the 421/428/455 blocks = 3.25" journal :eek:
It was a large mass of area to lubricate, and oil routing was wrong. Main journals were fed by holes in the cam bearings!
400 and smaller blocks all shared the same, stronger 3" main journal.
On the upside of this was interchangability! Cranks could be swapped within that 3" or 3.25" journal family. Rods on ALL 55-79 V8 were the same dimensions, so hi perf rods can be swapped, and piston pin height was the same between small/big journal engines.
Today, you can put a 455 crank into a .060 bored 400 block with standard rods, .030 455 pistons and have a 474" torque monster :D
Heads 65-78 ALL interchange, within compression ratio requirements. So put a regular 400 low compression head on top of that 474" short block, and you just made 500-600 lb/tq in the 9.5:1 compression range with stock, garden variety parts.
Last design flaw, I feel, were the valve springs.
How many guys back in the day revved their GTO thinking it was a small block Chevy, and floated the valves/broke the entire engine.
RPM had to be limited to 6000 on the high side, unless you went in and matched good aftermarket springs.
Otherwise, design goodies, like - intake manifold seperate from lifter cover tray kept hot oil away, and allowed intake swaps with only gaskets - even the distributor could stay in.
Harmonic balancers came off without a puller, flywheels were zero balanced, and the external block dimensions and bolt locations were the same - 326 through 455!
Intakes, covers, distributors, pumps, cams, it almost all swaps!
Man, we could swap parts on the cheap with a Pontiac.
Last, I scored several cars from guys that put a 454 square port, 350/350 horse small block, yada-yada, thinking they made their Pontiac 'better'.
They just didn't figure out how to make Pontiacs run, and went the easy route. Should have bought a Chevelle if your engine is orange :cool:
I'm teasing, it's alot like Marauders as you said - this mod motor is too much for some, and they take a lower cost/less ability demanding route.
I'm happy you had some nice Pontiacs, I'm sure many reading Marty's T/A thread did as well.
Peace.

lifespeed
07-16-2015, 10:10 AM
You hit 2 of 3 general design flaws.

Yeah, I remember all those characteristics you mention. If you work at it you can make darn near anything go fast.

I like to think I'm pretty objective when it comes to cars and not too much of a brand fan boy, although Pontiac will always have a place in my heart. The GTO had no motor when I got it, and looking at it with an objective eye there is no comparison between the 454 Chevy and 455 Pontiac. But I have seen plenty of fast Pontiacs at the dragstrip.

chief455
07-16-2015, 11:09 AM
Yeah, I remember all those characteristics you mention. If you work at it you can make darn near anything go fast.

I like to think I'm pretty objective when it comes to cars and not too much of a brand fan boy, although Pontiac will always have a place in my heart. The GTO had no motor when I got it, and looking at it with an objective eye there is no comparison between the 454 Chevy and 455 Pontiac. But I have seen plenty of fast Pontiacs at the dragstrip.
I've owned both, cammed 454 and 455, both in A body cars. If the 455 is matched with the right convertor and gear, it will out run a 454 dollar to dollar.
Until recently, you could not build a Pontiac for the same money as a Chevy, so back then, yes = 454 made sense.
Look at Street Outlaws - fastest street car in the nation = Pontiac!:rolleyes:
I built this, low compression, .030 455, ran 10.32 in full interior street trim. Dipped into the 9's with stock leaf springs, traction bars and stock front suspension.
I'm hoping Marty stays Pontiac when the bug bites to modify his beauty T/A the thread is about!
0GQ9foO2tg0

slickster
07-16-2015, 01:41 PM
Very cool:cool:

Turbov6Bryan
07-23-2015, 07:07 PM
Hey Mo that's a good-looking Trans Am almost looks like the color of Jim Hand's Pontiac lemans station wagon here in Missouri...

If you ever decide to build that Pontiac motor up it's got those 6x-4 heads on it I hear they flow just as good as 670 heads, just not all the compression! Good for 93 octane :)

I grew up around Pontiacs ever since I was born, my dad's first car 67 firebird bought in 1970 we still got it. Sitting in my stable is his 67 and my 68.

Chief455... If your bored do a google image search for one of my usernames

Quick6'n'-K.C. 90% of those cars are/ were mine over the last 20 years

Trying to access photobucket, have to leave

martyo
07-23-2015, 07:11 PM
Well this week I struck a deal on another '78 TA. I am working a trade on another car and part of the deal is that the paintwork on the new to me TA will be completed. That car will get an LS3 and 4l60 that I have in inventory.

Looks like I have my fall/winter project lined up!

Turbov6Bryan
07-23-2015, 07:14 PM
Is it a Se car? Those bandit cars sure are slick!

Here you go chief. I haven't touched the page in years...
Yeah I had 3 20th TTA's at once lol. But the 67 firebird is hard to miss. It's Red

http://s103.photobucket.com/user/turbov6bryan/library/

8UWITH6
07-23-2015, 07:39 PM
Wow look at those pictures! Hahaha, few pics of the bird lots more Turbo Regals!

Marty, say this after a deep breath........ projects are FUN........ :)

martyo
07-23-2015, 07:51 PM
Marty, say this after a deep breath........ projects are FUN........ :)

They don't scare me!

This is my starting point:

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsbqsiqkw2.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsbqsiqkw2.jpg.html)


http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsufhzbvye.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsufhzbvye.jpg.html)


http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpszgwlxe04.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpszgwlxe04.jpg.html)


http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps9pyudvte.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps9pyudvte.jpg.html)

Turbov6Bryan
07-23-2015, 08:09 PM
My first car was a 79 silver 10th ann ta. Boy was it beat up, but I was 14 and didn't care!!

Those old TA's bring back memories, man o man

Nice one

Gonna put the aluminum ralley 2s on that one?

martyo
07-23-2015, 08:16 PM
Gonna put the aluminum ralley 2s on that one?

No this car will likely get the 17x9 Honeycombs because I am probably going to use the Rallies on a '69 Nova I just wrapped up.

I am about to start a thread about the Nova....

chief455
07-23-2015, 08:17 PM
turbobryan - nice g body cars!!

Marty - the whit over red is a favorite of mine.
the body colored tail bezels looks 75-76 vintage.
It's a sweet looking roller, go to town with an LS in there!

I'd still love to see you do a Pontiac motor in the red one.
Jim Hand's wagon that Bryan mentioned paved the way for stock block/cast iron head 4400lb Pontiacs to hit 11's on pump gas in street trim back in the early 90's.
Qjet, low compresion, real mild stall and a wagon!
Jim Butler surpassed his mark, and grew huge from the mid 90's to now.
His hand ported cast iron heads on a 455 I had made 600fwhp in 94, on 93 octane, streetable power.
Someday, I'll convince you to try Poncho ;)
His engine/twin turbo is in Big Chief's Crow GTO

martyo
07-23-2015, 08:33 PM
Marty - the whit over red is a favorite of mine.
the body colored tail bezels looks 75-76 vintage.
It's a sweet looking roller, go to town with an LS in there!

I'd still love to see you do a Pontiac motor in the red one.

White with red guts is one of my favorite combos and always has been so this was a GREAT find for me.

I like the tail light bezels body colored and it sets it off against my Ember Mist Car which has black bezels.

Doing this car with the LS motor will allow me to keep the Ember Mist car as a Pontiac. In fact as part of the trade, i also am getting a fresh carb that I will use on the Ember Mist car.

Turbov6Bryan
07-23-2015, 08:34 PM
They closed down that track Jim Hand raced at like 3 years ago, I moved to this house to race more often, but the track sold to the city

I met him thru the heart of America Pontiac club when I was less than 10, I'm almost 40

That wagon with all pontiac parts beat mopars Chevys ect, weekend after weekend. It ran 11.7 at 114 in the 80s. High 10s with Chevy parts in a Pontiac block

One of his sons built my th350 for my first car for 50.00 :) and it never broke

junior
07-24-2015, 05:40 AM
The love seat has to go, unless you're gonna use the red fabric for the bird. :shake:

martyo
07-24-2015, 05:51 AM
The love seat has to go, unless you're gonna use the red fabric for the bird. :shake:

Not my garage. I would divorce my wife before I let her bring that in the house. Or that garage for that matter.

Crown Vicman
07-24-2015, 07:24 AM
You hit 2 of 3 general design flaws. The head flow by other engine standards, is low in CFM, even port volume in CC's.
But, that has been easily remedied with specific valve seat angle and short turn radius / bowl blending.
So, a mild port job on standard cast iron heads yield tremenous gain. What the heads did do, by design, is promote port velocity. Those 'small' runner ports on fairly large (400/421/428/455) engines made torque. Gobs of it. That was the Pontiac upper hand.
Another good thing on most heads was standerd equipped screw in studs and stamped steel pushrod guide plates. No need to machine for those needed things, like most 'other' brand engines.
The main bearing journal issue you mention is on the 421/428/455 blocks = 3.25" journal :eek:
It was a large mass of area to lubricate, and oil routing was wrong. Main journals were fed by holes in the cam bearings!
400 and smaller blocks all shared the same, stronger 3" main journal.
On the upside of this was interchangability! Cranks could be swapped within that 3" or 3.25" journal family. Rods on ALL 55-79 V8 were the same dimensions, so hi perf rods can be swapped, and piston pin height was the same between small/big journal engines.
Today, you can put a 455 crank into a .060 bored 400 block with standard rods, .030 455 pistons and have a 474" torque monster :D
Heads 65-78 ALL interchange, within compression ratio requirements. So put a regular 400 low compression head on top of that 474" short block, and you just made 500-600 lb/tq in the 9.5:1 compression range with stock, garden variety parts.
Last design flaw, I feel, were the valve springs.
How many guys back in the day revved their GTO thinking it was a small block Chevy, and floated the valves/broke the entire engine.
RPM had to be limited to 6000 on the high side, unless you went in and matched good aftermarket springs.
Otherwise, design goodies, like - intake manifold seperate from lifter cover tray kept hot oil away, and allowed intake swaps with only gaskets - even the distributor could stay in.
Harmonic balancers came off without a puller, flywheels were zero balanced, and the external block dimensions and bolt locations were the same - 326 through 455!
Intakes, covers, distributors, pumps, cams, it almost all swaps!
Man, we could swap parts on the cheap with a Pontiac.
Last, I scored several cars from guys that put a 454 square port, 350/350 horse small block, yada-yada, thinking they made their Pontiac 'better'.
They just didn't figure out how to make Pontiacs run, and went the easy route. Should have bought a Chevelle if your engine is orange :cool:
I'm teasing, it's alot like Marauders as you said - this mod motor is too much for some, and they take a lower cost/less ability demanding route.
I'm happy you had some nice Pontiacs, I'm sure many reading Marty's T/A thread did as well.
Peace.
Exactly chief alot of guys with pontiacs didn't know how to drive them. Pontiacs make most of their horsepower at a low rpm around 5500. I'd rather have the pontiac 400 than that generic/corporate 403. The pontiac 400 is overall a stronger motor than the olds 403.

chief455
07-24-2015, 07:48 AM
White with red guts is one of my favorite combos and always has been so this was a GREAT find for me.

I like the tail light bezels body colored and it sets it off against my Ember Mist Car which has black bezels.

Doing this car with the LS motor will allow me to keep the Ember Mist car as a Pontiac. In fact as part of the trade, i also am getting a fresh carb that I will use on the Ember Mist car.
WINNING!!:banana:
I had a white/red 78 t-top, rust free fully stock that went to Florida around ~6 years ago: Love silver, or white over red gut. Last pic is a 76, rust free, I had from NC
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i233/chief455/78%20Trans%20Am/BTugulQ2kKGrHgoOKisEjlLl5Pu2BK J-6pO.jpg (http://s73.photobucket.com/user/chief455/media/78%20Trans%20Am/BTugulQ2kKGrHgoOKisEjlLl5Pu2BK J-6pO.jpg.html)
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i233/chief455/78%20Trans%20Am/BTugjmkKGrHgoOKjEjlLmYmWCBKJ-6BHVg_.jpg (http://s73.photobucket.com/user/chief455/media/78%20Trans%20Am/BTugjmkKGrHgoOKjEjlLmYmWCBKJ-6BHVg_.jpg.html)
1976:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i233/chief455/76%20transam/2006_0917beach0044.jpg (http://s73.photobucket.com/user/chief455/media/76%20transam/2006_0917beach0044.jpg.html)
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i233/chief455/76%20transam/MVC-746S.jpg (http://s73.photobucket.com/user/chief455/media/76%20transam/MVC-746S.jpg.html)

for your inspiration ;)

chief455
07-24-2015, 07:52 AM
Exactly chief alot of guys with pontiacs didn't know how to drive them. Pontiacs make most of their horsepower at a low rpm around 5500. I'd rather have the pontiac 400 than that generic/corporate 403. The pontiac 400 is overall a stronger motor than the olds 403.

We are now blood brothers, from the same tribe :D

lji372
07-24-2015, 11:05 AM
marty, how does it feel to be loved and hated at the same time? :P

martyo
07-24-2015, 02:26 PM
marty, how does it feel to be loved and hated at the same time? :P

My wife lets me know everyday!

RubberCtyRauder
07-24-2015, 02:36 PM
Here is your sMOkey plate chance..although MO wont standout as it will all be the same size etc.

martyo
07-24-2015, 08:41 PM
Here is your sMOkey plate chance..although MO wont standout as it will all be the same size etc.

That plate is a distinct possibility.

martyo
10-29-2015, 07:46 PM
Well, this week I took possession of 1 MO TA and I am very excited to get started on this project.

I have already ordered a ton of parts and the motor is off to the machine shop so that we can get started with the installation in a couple of weeks.

Here is the car as it was delivered. Don't worry about the flat looking paint, the paint is completely fresh and new and is in the process of being wet sanded and will then be buffed.

I am beyond excited about this project.

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-10/EAD9A565-032F-4145-BE5A-4140DE6F595D_zpsa5ptsrfk.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-10/EAD9A565-032F-4145-BE5A-4140DE6F595D_zpsa5ptsrfk.jpg.h tml)

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http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-10/6ED9C0A7-E0C8-4EF6-9CD1-D70165923E8E_zpsotd8qdbc.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-10/6ED9C0A7-E0C8-4EF6-9CD1-D70165923E8E_zpsotd8qdbc.jpg.h tml)

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-10/7BD8A01A-8783-4096-8EEE-027D5363AB01_zpsxcazmqam.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-10/7BD8A01A-8783-4096-8EEE-027D5363AB01_zpsxcazmqam.jpg.h tml)




And just because I have a cuter dog than you do!:

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-10/9D88EF46-A363-492D-A4BD-860C1D548852_zpsy55p2mef.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-10/9D88EF46-A363-492D-A4BD-860C1D548852_zpsy55p2mef.jpg.h tml)

chief455
10-29-2015, 07:59 PM
I am Chief455, and I approve another sweet T/A project :)

LSX in this one?

martyo
10-29-2015, 08:05 PM
I am Chief455, and I approve another sweet T/A project :)

LSX in this one?

408 LS3 with a 4l60.

Working out the logistics of the functional scoop but most likely it will be done with a TBI.

chief455
10-29-2015, 08:10 PM
408 LS3 with a 4l60.

Working out the logistics of the functional scoop but most likely it will be done with a TBI.
Schweet!
I firmly believe I've seen shakers on LS swapped 77-81 cars. Not certain they were functional though...
You can do it......:banana:

martyo
10-30-2015, 04:37 AM
Schweet!
I firmly believe I've seen shakers on LS swapped 77-81 cars. Not certain they were functional though...
You can do it......:banana:

The Year One Bandit cars have them as well as a few cars from some hobbyists.

WhatsUpDOHC
10-30-2015, 04:47 AM
Yowzah, Marty!!

You do find the nice T/A rollers!

martyo
10-30-2015, 05:06 AM
Yowzah, Marty!!

You do find the nice T/A rollers!

I was in the hunt for this one for a while. It was one of those on again, off again deals! :flamer:

345HP87SSAC
10-30-2015, 06:08 AM
TAs are the best! Plain hood or will it have the screaming chicken on it?

martyo
10-30-2015, 06:35 AM
TAs are the best! Plain hood or will it have the screaming chicken on it?

A very loud screaming chicken! :D

martyo
11-02-2015, 09:04 PM
The TA had a bad crack in the dash. Getting a new dash fir the car was looking to difficult and expensive. Not too mention getting one in Carmine Red was never going to happen.

An alternative was to hire a dash repair service which is what I did. The before pictures show a prior owner's bad attempt at a repair. The Coke can is to give scale to the extent of the damage.

I am thrilled with the results and would recommend this over a dash repair.


BEFORE:

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/36FFDC5D-199D-4436-B708-6E4EBA7C3D51_zps2egxtvf8.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/36FFDC5D-199D-4436-B708-6E4EBA7C3D51_zps2egxtvf8.jpg.h tml)

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http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/46C0FC7B-1F27-46E5-B8C0-28B7E7623164_zpsr3fx99dx.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/46C0FC7B-1F27-46E5-B8C0-28B7E7623164_zpsr3fx99dx.jpg.h tml)

AFTER:

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/6BCBB573-EBD8-472E-A53C-D00CB3CC46B7_zpsmng3jy35.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/6BCBB573-EBD8-472E-A53C-D00CB3CC46B7_zpsmng3jy35.jpg.h tml)

1Marauder
11-02-2015, 09:15 PM
Post pics...

chief455
11-02-2015, 09:27 PM
EXCELLENT repair.
I have access to a mint red dash from a 78, but, you saved money that way.

martyo
11-03-2015, 06:04 AM
EXCELLENT repair.
I have access to a mint red dash from a 78, but, you saved money that way.

Details on said red dash please!

martyo
11-03-2015, 06:06 AM
Post pics...

Can't you see the pictures Grant? :confused:

chief455
11-03-2015, 10:29 AM
Details on said red dash please!

when I sold this project, a few years ago, I included a mint red dash. I don't believe he has done anything with the car.
It went to Florida.
I will reach out to him.
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i233/chief455/78%20Trans%20Am/MVC-264S.jpg (http://s73.photobucket.com/user/chief455/media/78%20Trans%20Am/MVC-264S.jpg.html)
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i233/chief455/78%20Trans%20Am/MVC-283S.jpg (http://s73.photobucket.com/user/chief455/media/78%20Trans%20Am/MVC-283S.jpg.html)

martyo
11-03-2015, 10:34 AM
when I sold this project, a few years ago, I included a mint red dash. I don't believe he has done anything with the car.
It went to Florida.
I will reach out to him.

Thanks!

................

chief455
11-03-2015, 06:30 PM
Thanks!

................
UUGGH!
He left that carpeted dash in the car and SOLD the mint red one I included, and swears he is going to finish the car someday. :shake:
I knew that the car would be untouched still.
Sorry, I figure he'd sell the dash, but did not know he already had.

If I hear of T/A parts from my sources - you want to be nudged?
Something specific?

martyo
11-03-2015, 06:57 PM
UUGGH!
He left that carpeted dash in the car and SOLD the mint red one I included, and swears he is going to finish the car someday. :shake:
I knew that the car would be untouched still.
Sorry, I figure he'd sell the dash, but did not know he already had.

If I hear of T/A parts from my sources - you want to be nudged?
Something specific?

I need a really good (bolt in place) tilt column either in Carmine or Black. I've got a very good straight column but my figure calls for a tilt. :cool:

chief455
11-03-2015, 07:36 PM
I need a really good (bolt in place) tilt column either in Carmine or Black. I've got a very good straight column but my figure calls for a tilt. :cool:
give me a day or two for that.
the 79-up metric columns are easy, but 70-78 tilts a bit harder to find.
I know a guy......

Joe Walsh
11-03-2015, 08:08 PM
I need a really good (bolt in place) tilt column either in Carmine or Black.

I've got a very good straight column but my figure calls for a tilt. :cool:

Yep....more 'head room' with a Tilt column!.......;)

chief455
11-03-2015, 08:42 PM
I need a really good (bolt in place) tilt column either in Carmine or Black. I've got a very good straight column but my figure calls for a tilt. :cool:
BTW - if you want the best 'turn key' :rolleyes: solution, I've bought an F body and an A body GM tilt column from here, and quality was of near 100% show and perfect fit & function.
If you are investing in the car for long term driveability and resale = WINNING!

to the right side of the page:

http://www.gmtiltsteeringcolumn.com/contactus.html

martyo
11-03-2015, 10:15 PM
BTW - if you want the best 'turn key' :rolleyes: solution, I've bought an F body and an A body GM tilt column from here, and quality was of near 100% show and perfect fit & function.
If you are investing in the car for long term driveability and resale = WINNING!

to the right side of the page:

http://www.gmtiltsteeringcolumn.com/contactus.html

Excellent!

Is the Camaro column cosmetically the same as the TA column?

chief455
11-03-2015, 10:57 PM
Excellent!

Is the Camaro column cosmetically the same as the TA column?

Yes.
I believe when I puchased them, listing was specific to Pontiac.
However, the tilt lever ends might be a bit different in shape/texture (he only supplies new tilt lever), yet the harness pinout will be the same.
I'd call to order - he can likely set you up pure Poncho for the same price, or confirm the Camaro unit is virtually the same.
I'm old and this stuff was long ago...
After 2 weeks searching, finding $150 used columns with no keys or levers, it was an obvious choice ;)

martyo
11-10-2015, 11:14 AM
The radiator and fan assembly came in. This thing is artwork!!!

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/77DC52D4-0255-4DD2-995E-4BB83E03FF4E_zpshc95zqoc.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/77DC52D4-0255-4DD2-995E-4BB83E03FF4E_zpshc95zqoc.jpg.h tml)


http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/85A774B6-2013-4523-BBD3-54971E11BFEC_zpsltavbkzi.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/85A774B6-2013-4523-BBD3-54971E11BFEC_zpsltavbkzi.jpg.h tml)


http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/670D34A2-A459-4CA3-949D-7DC148691C6C_zpsjyjfecu2.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/670D34A2-A459-4CA3-949D-7DC148691C6C_zpsjyjfecu2.jpg.h tml)

martyo
11-15-2015, 07:55 PM
I "found" a pretty cool window sticker for the car...

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Trans%20Am%20WIndow%20Sticker_ 0001%20copy_zpsyvtkqhch.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Trans%20Am%20WIndow%20Sticker_ 0001%20copy_zpsyvtkqhch.jpg.ht ml)

71cyclone
11-15-2015, 10:22 PM
Fine print -[Tonawanda engine plant source - Final assembly Moe's Speed and Super car enginering Shop] " Your Window sticker is factory fresh" this is a great advertising concept.I like it .

martyo
11-15-2015, 10:58 PM
Fine print -[Tonawanda engine plant source - Final assembly Moe's Speed and Super car enginering Shop] " Your Window sticker is factory fresh" this is a great advertising concept.I like it .

I figured it'd be a cool display piece at the car events.

RubberCtyRauder
11-16-2015, 06:05 AM
What's a Trabs Am Identification? Spelling Error fail! :D

martyo
11-16-2015, 07:11 AM
What's a Trabs Am Identification? Spelling Error fail! :D

Go sit in your car in the garage and think about what it must be like to drive it! :D

RubberCtyRauder
11-16-2015, 07:28 AM
:depress::bigcry: That's hittin below the belt:D

Or in my best "The Beav" Cleaver voice " Well gee,Marty, You don't have to get all mad about it"

WhatsUpDOHC
11-18-2015, 08:00 PM
.............

WhatsUpDOHC
11-18-2015, 08:03 PM
Here's your chicken (Color change is expected)

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/18/295e55c014324758a630988a91795e f8.jpg

Acceptable paint jail (Mike Lavellee)?

martyo
11-18-2015, 08:26 PM
Here's your chicken (Color change is expected)

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/18/295e55c014324758a630988a91795e f8.jpg

Acceptable paint jail (Mike Lavelle)?



I like that but this is what I am leaning towards:

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11012191_10153054203801566_141 1004505893473186_n.jpg?oh=c614 70d27a67020fd0f147bb6ae336cb&oe=56F4A998

WhatsUpDOHC
11-18-2015, 08:39 PM
I like that but this is what I am leaning towards:

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11012191_10153054203801566_141 1004505893473186_n.jpg?oh=c614 70d27a67020fd0f147bb6ae336cb&oe=56F4A998

Understood. Just throwing another option out there ( I was watching Overhaulin' and I thought of this thread).

RubberCtyRauder
11-18-2015, 08:46 PM
I was kinda partial to this

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu92/mdnos/MOCHICKEN_LOGO_web_logo_header _zpspfikelks.png

martyo
11-18-2015, 08:53 PM
I was kinda partial to this

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu92/mdnos/MOCHICKEN_LOGO_web_logo_header _zpspfikelks.png

Lol!!!!!!!!!!

chief455
11-18-2015, 09:01 PM
that is best
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i233/chief455/78%20Trans%20Am/BTugkQwWkKGrHgoOKjMEjlLmRfcUBK J-6EI.jpg (http://s73.photobucket.com/user/chief455/media/78%20Trans%20Am/BTugkQwWkKGrHgoOKjMEjlLmRfcUBK J-6EI.jpg.html)http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i233/chief455/78%20Trans%20Am/BTug1jgmkKGrHgoOKjUEjlLmUhVfBK J-6wl.jpg (http://s73.photobucket.com/user/chief455/media/78%20Trans%20Am/BTug1jgmkKGrHgoOKjUEjlLmUhVfBK J-6wl.jpg.html)

martyo
03-01-2016, 10:11 AM
It's been a while since I've updated this thread so here are some pics of the car as it stands now. Trying to get it ready for display in the vendor midway at Autorama in Raleigh in April.

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/1F54B641-2241-4665-AFB9-272529F8031D_zps068yuszw.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1F54B641-2241-4665-AFB9-272529F8031D_zps068yuszw.jpg.h tml)


http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/887A8143-F745-420D-B8A9-2074968C76C4_zpshhpvuy9j.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/887A8143-F745-420D-B8A9-2074968C76C4_zpshhpvuy9j.jpg.h tml)

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/85F91FFD-AE3A-4ECC-9D60-4A7829C94DED_zps2rr1dild.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/85F91FFD-AE3A-4ECC-9D60-4A7829C94DED_zps2rr1dild.jpg.h tml)

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/B08918E3-044A-4ED3-98B1-5C4426133FC5_zpsf1tntgjb.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/B08918E3-044A-4ED3-98B1-5C4426133FC5_zpsf1tntgjb.jpg.h tml)

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/6474572A-11BC-4AAD-B366-B0D32651D632_zpshsghu0b6.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/6474572A-11BC-4AAD-B366-B0D32651D632_zpshsghu0b6.jpg.h tml)

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/4EAD8F7C-7BB8-4BDF-8533-39021269BA76_zpseqonsvls.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/4EAD8F7C-7BB8-4BDF-8533-39021269BA76_zpseqonsvls.jpg.h tml)

martyo
03-01-2016, 10:13 AM
http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/A4EA58A0-A005-4557-9E03-DDBE0B6F0FF8_zpsyvlxgruy.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/A4EA58A0-A005-4557-9E03-DDBE0B6F0FF8_zpsyvlxgruy.jpg.h tml)

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/86547FFB-66B4-418F-AD7C-221B7C6E7184_zpsgvryboqh.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/86547FFB-66B4-418F-AD7C-221B7C6E7184_zpsgvryboqh.jpg.h tml)

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/E0970B4A-4A85-42EE-82C0-B184B26B0708_zpstnu7iv8n.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/E0970B4A-4A85-42EE-82C0-B184B26B0708_zpstnu7iv8n.jpg.h tml)

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/02B826E7-D578-4580-B3F4-0C0181BB81B8_zpsn5klzgn7.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/02B826E7-D578-4580-B3F4-0C0181BB81B8_zpsn5klzgn7.jpg.h tml)

RubberCtyRauder
03-01-2016, 10:17 AM
You got long legs to be driving from back seat :D

Looks sweet!

camelgrundle
03-01-2016, 10:23 AM
Looking good!

Turbov6Bryan
03-01-2016, 10:41 AM
Looks killer

lifespeed
03-01-2016, 10:48 AM
That looks great. I am surprised you can wrench on cars for a living and still find time to build your own rides. You are truly dedicated.

martyo
03-01-2016, 11:11 AM
That looks great. I am surprised you can wrench on cars for a living and still find time to build your own rides. You are truly dedicated.

I lawyer for a living. My best friend is my partner. He wrenches 7 days a week. I just annoy the crap out if him because I don't have to wrench for a living. :violin:

crownvic05
03-01-2016, 01:00 PM
Now that I remember, were you not the one that bought a 98 towncar from me a few years ago? it was a blue towncar. I believe a friend of your drove it towards your way from nj.

martyo
03-01-2016, 01:11 PM
Now that I remember, were you not the one that bought a 98 towncar from me a few years ago? it was a blue towncar. I believe a friend of your drove it towards your way from nj.

It was a 99 but that was me! :D

Bigslim1
03-01-2016, 03:27 PM
Dang Marty, it's good to be you....................:D

Marauderjack
03-01-2016, 03:51 PM
And weren't you the Captain of a BIG Searay boat awhile back......before ya got wise and sold it then moved SOUTH??:eek::D :beer:

tbone
03-01-2016, 04:11 PM
Now that I remember, were you not the one that bought a 98 towncar from me a few years ago? it was a blue towncar. I believe a friend of your drove it towards your way from nj.

I wanted to fly out and buy that car from you and drive it home. Wife said NO if I remember correctly.

martyo
03-01-2016, 04:44 PM
I wanted to fly out and buy that car from you and drive it home. Wife said NO if I remember correctly.

Ask your wife. I'm sure she'll remind you.

It was a very good car. I sold it after I've it 25,000 miles on it. The car is now two owners from me and still on the road. I wish I had kept it.

lifespeed
03-01-2016, 05:37 PM
I lawyer for a living.

I would have never guessed as much as we read about your automotive exploits.

"As your attorney, I advise you to buy a fast car."

CWright
03-01-2016, 05:45 PM
Man that looks good! Guess you'll have to invite me to take it for a spin!

:2thumbs:

martyo
03-01-2016, 07:03 PM
Man that looks good! Guess you'll have to invite me to take it for a spin!

:2thumbs:

I've invited before and you can count on being invited again.

martyo
03-01-2016, 07:05 PM
"As your attorney, I advise you to buy a fast car."

You have to admit, that it is hard to argue with that advice.

CWright
03-01-2016, 07:10 PM
I've invited before and you can count on being invited again.

You're going to cause me to buy a Bandit before it's over! :D

martyo
03-01-2016, 07:18 PM
You're going to cause me to buy a Bandit before it's over! :D

Perhaps!!!!! :banana:

chief455
03-03-2016, 08:12 PM
WINNING! At so many levels :bows:

martyo
03-29-2016, 10:34 AM
Car is almost done and just needs dialing in.

The fabricated valve covers I used had interference problems with the rockers. Once I put the new valve covers on, I can dial in the tune bad shift schedule.

Here's a few pics:

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/C97648DB-519A-4361-8CE0-6AE1015D5DF6_zpsywzng32w.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/C97648DB-519A-4361-8CE0-6AE1015D5DF6_zpsywzng32w.jpg.h tml)

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/56242EA5-55CB-4D97-80C8-09AA6E2D7448_zpshyea2u1b.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/56242EA5-55CB-4D97-80C8-09AA6E2D7448_zpshyea2u1b.jpg.h tml)

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/3A1CAAB1-6087-40BE-8E31-1239685AFA1F_zpszzgncqvs.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/3A1CAAB1-6087-40BE-8E31-1239685AFA1F_zpszzgncqvs.jpg.h tml)

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/9ED229D9-45E4-4FD8-BA29-BD5344CD204F_zpso6f4qumg.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/9ED229D9-45E4-4FD8-BA29-BD5344CD204F_zpso6f4qumg.jpg.h tml)

WPG_Merc
03-29-2016, 11:39 AM
wheres the like button :2thumbs::2thumbs:

RubberCtyRauder
03-29-2016, 11:54 AM
Nice!!!!!!

bugsyc
03-29-2016, 12:55 PM
BAD ASS....I'm going to MO'S....

Catfish
03-29-2016, 04:29 PM
Looking good! Always loved these old Firebirds.

chief455
03-29-2016, 06:13 PM
Love the console Hurst Dual Gate shifter.
Try finding them now......
car looks amazing!

martyo
03-29-2016, 06:36 PM
Love the console Hurst Dual Gate shifter.
Try finding them now......
car looks amazing!

I did try to fund one, got a brand new one, and paid accordingly. :violin:

Crown Vicman
03-29-2016, 07:01 PM
That is magnificent

chief455
03-29-2016, 07:30 PM
I did try to fund one, got a brand new one, and paid accordingly. :violin:
Exactly my point. I got up to $150 for just a new faceplate (I had a few left over) - Nice score! :beer:

martyo
04-29-2016, 07:46 PM
These pictures speak for themselves....

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/0372EA32-2A98-4687-ACEF-97C551B549CF_zpsjp23i9tg.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/0372EA32-2A98-4687-ACEF-97C551B549CF_zpsjp23i9tg.jpg.h tml)

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/AA6E0954-EA52-461C-B6F3-9381E8F22941_zpsjzo2kxgq.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/AA6E0954-EA52-461C-B6F3-9381E8F22941_zpsjzo2kxgq.jpg.h tml)

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/2CC14B0A-5DDC-464D-9B45-08A3BC86A5AE_zpslcgzsh9k.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2CC14B0A-5DDC-464D-9B45-08A3BC86A5AE_zpslcgzsh9k.jpg.h tml)

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/74383618-B795-40E7-82A2-BB263175A988_zpskojznxxf.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/74383618-B795-40E7-82A2-BB263175A988_zpskojznxxf.jpg.h tml)

chief455
04-29-2016, 08:01 PM
These pictures speak for themselves....



need someone to align the front spoiler to the drivers wheel flare? :eek:


THAT FREAKING CAR IS AWESOME!!!!

Great work, man, love it all!!!:2thumbs:

martyo
04-29-2016, 08:14 PM
need someone to align the front spoiler to the drivers wheel flare? :eek:

It'll be back to the body shop shortly.

chief455
04-29-2016, 08:25 PM
It'll be back to the body shop shortly.
the more details I see in the pics, the nicer that car is - dayum :bows:

lji372
04-29-2016, 08:45 PM
No MOrauder no care....... :P

martyo
04-29-2016, 08:56 PM
No MOrauder no care....... :P

Says the guy with 8 belly buttons. :D

lji372
04-29-2016, 09:29 PM
Says the guy with 8 belly buttons. :D

I can only see 5 from my view, where are the other 3? :dunno:

justbob
04-30-2016, 08:35 AM
I missed this latest one! [emoji50]

Me likey! Need a son? I'll split the wife and three kids scene in two minutes flat if you adopt me.. [emoji1303]


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1Marauder
04-30-2016, 08:59 AM
Can I PULL-EEEAAASSSEEE HAVE ONE DAD? PULL-EEAASSEE?

jgc61sr2002
04-30-2016, 01:05 PM
43707

43708

martyo
04-30-2016, 04:08 PM
43707

43708

Nice John!!

WhatsUpDOHC
04-30-2016, 05:42 PM
43707

43708
The Chief's "Poncho Senses" must be tingling.

chief455
04-30-2016, 09:19 PM
The Chief's "Poncho Senses" must be tingling.

;) I was speechless :eek: NICE Poncho there :D

Turbov6Bryan
04-30-2016, 09:46 PM
43707

43708

62 bonneville?

Did the GP , Catalina and bonneville all have the same interior in 62?

I fell in love with a triple black 62 Cat at a POCI MEET in 1989, I still want one to this day and it's on my bucket list

Nice car!

jgc61sr2002
05-02-2016, 04:55 AM
It is a 1961 Pontiac Bonneville conv.
425A 348 HP tri power motor.
The interiors between the Bonneville and Catalina are vastly different.
The Bonneville conv. is the only Pontiac with a leather interior.

martyo
05-04-2016, 01:07 PM
Tinted, detailed, wrapped up!

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/7E9F3CA5-5F86-4ECC-A3E6-B903ED6DE36B_zpsbm96pbg6.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/7E9F3CA5-5F86-4ECC-A3E6-B903ED6DE36B_zpsbm96pbg6.jpg.h tml)

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/64A2226E-454C-4C37-B73E-D95F93DC0A62_zpsanoqogqp.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/64A2226E-454C-4C37-B73E-D95F93DC0A62_zpsanoqogqp.jpg.h tml)

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/3974989E-DB59-428C-9289-B11E2847FA83_zpsbw8suazx.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/3974989E-DB59-428C-9289-B11E2847FA83_zpsbw8suazx.jpg.h tml)

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/3C741442-5E62-4747-A021-7638619E1096_zpsf0mbgm80.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/3C741442-5E62-4747-A021-7638619E1096_zpsf0mbgm80.jpg.h tml)

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/D6F469ED-DD2F-4C4E-B4ED-084959638BA0_zpsk4fzzz3f.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/D6F469ED-DD2F-4C4E-B4ED-084959638BA0_zpsk4fzzz3f.jpg.h tml)

http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q562/martin_ochsMartyO/Mobile%20Uploads/86A0C86A-3C52-4D0E-AA4B-E3ED8A559ABD_zpsjndhfjfg.jpg (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/martin_ochsMartyO/media/Mobile%20Uploads/86A0C86A-3C52-4D0E-AA4B-E3ED8A559ABD_zpsjndhfjfg.jpg.h tml)

RubberCtyRauder
05-04-2016, 02:07 PM
Looks like New Old Stock timecapsule

chief455
05-04-2016, 03:10 PM
Very nice car. :2thumbs:

lifespeed
05-04-2016, 03:43 PM
Beautiful! Do the doors close properly?

martyo
05-04-2016, 04:21 PM
Beautiful! Do the doors close properly?

Why wouldn't they? :confused:

lifespeed
05-04-2016, 04:24 PM
Why wouldn't they? :confused:

Most of those cars with long doors would wear out the hinges and strikers. I'm sure you (or somebody) rebuilt them.

chief455
05-04-2016, 04:33 PM
Most of those cars with long doors would wear out the hinges and strikers. I'm sure you (or somebody) rebuilt them.
Indeed. The more rust free a body, the more likely to have solid door alignment in my years.
Door drop is easily remedied though.
That car looks solid and well aligned from my house!
I'm having major Pontiac withdrawl, Marty :depress:

martyo
05-04-2016, 04:45 PM
Most of those cars with long doors would wear out the hinges and strikers. I'm sure you (or somebody) rebuilt them.

I generally cut corners on most of my builds. Those hinge pin kits would have put me over the top on this build.

martyo
05-04-2016, 04:51 PM
I'm having major Pontiac withdrawl, Marty :depress:

You need one of these cars.

It is stupid fast without all the drag car gnarlyness!

chief455
05-04-2016, 05:14 PM
You need one of these cars.

It is stupid fast without all the drag car gnarlyness!
Exactly.
The blue 76 I went too far, my last 78 and 76 before, those were both original engine, rust free. Can't mod them up.
I'd need a nice low cost T/A or GTO clone, or a LeMans - 'cuz must be Pontiac powered to stay Chief455 ;)
This little 65 was just a ported stock iron head 455 with hydraulic cam, full exhaust and interior, ran 12.86 on BF Goodrich Radial T/As. Power steering, fast ratio T/A steering box, big sway bars. All you need in a toy.
If I just didn't sell them all away like old girlfriends...:shake:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i233/chief455/65%20GTO/GeoffGTOnoname_zps2c1490a7.jpg (http://s73.photobucket.com/user/chief455/media/65%20GTO/GeoffGTOnoname_zps2c1490a7.jpg .html)
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i233/chief455/65%20GTO/65_GOA1_zpsdb2bea42.jpg (http://s73.photobucket.com/user/chief455/media/65%20GTO/65_GOA1_zpsdb2bea42.jpg.html)

Crown Vicman
05-04-2016, 05:24 PM
If you get a 70 gto and paint it white, you'll have no choice but to change your name to BigChief455 in tribute to Big Chief of street outlaws. lol :D

martyo
05-04-2016, 05:30 PM
Exactly.
The blue 76 I went too far, my last 78 and 76 before, those were both original engine, rust free. Can't mod them up.
I'd need a nice low cost T/A or GTO clone, or a LeMans - 'cuz must be Pontiac powered to stay Chief455 ;)
This little 65 was just a ported stock iron head 455 with hydraulic cam, full exhaust and interior, ran 12.86 on BF Goodrich Radial T/As. Power steering, fast ratio T/A steering box, big sway bars. All you need in a toy.
If I just didn't sell them all away like old girlfriends...:shake:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i233/chief455/65%20GTO/GeoffGTOnoname_zps2c1490a7.jpg (http://s73.photobucket.com/user/chief455/media/65%20GTO/GeoffGTOnoname_zps2c1490a7.jpg .html)
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i233/chief455/65%20GTO/65_GOA1_zpsdb2bea42.jpg (http://s73.photobucket.com/user/chief455/media/65%20GTO/65_GOA1_zpsdb2bea42.jpg.html)

Imagine what your old girlfriends are saying about you! :P

chief455
05-04-2016, 05:31 PM
If you get a 70 gto and paint it white, you'll have no choice but to change your name to BigChief455 in tribute to Big Chief of street outlaws. lol :D
LOL! I've had too many 70's, and I was chief455 since the 90's.
I like Big Chief, and that he's true to Pontiac - but no tribute needed ;)

chief455
05-04-2016, 06:43 PM
Imagine what your old girlfriends are saying about you! :P
LOL!
I can't even imagine....nor do I want to!:D
Like the cars - I lusted after them, had to have them, had a great time, spent lot's of money and rode them hard. Then passed 'em along....:cool4:

MMBLUE
05-04-2016, 06:54 PM
Very, very nice Marty. :rock:

You selling it? Or keeping it?

What would one of those go for if I were to hit the powerball tonight?

martyo
05-04-2016, 07:21 PM
Very, very nice Marty. :rock:

You selling it? Or keeping it?

What would one of those go for if I were to hit the powerball tonight?

Not for sale.

Yet....

lifespeed
05-06-2016, 10:11 PM
It is stupid fast without all the drag car gnarlyness!

What did you do to the rear suspension?

martyo
05-07-2016, 04:22 AM
What did you do to the rear suspension?

Lowered 1 inch and added Hotchis shocks. I also did a disc brake conversion.

svtrichie
05-19-2016, 09:10 PM
Your cars are awesome. Starting to look for one myself. Came across this firebird yellow bird I might check out but really wanting a t/a

martyo
05-19-2016, 11:42 PM
Your cars are awesome. Starting to look for one myself. Came across this firebird yellow bird I might check out but really wanting a t/a

Yellowbird's are awesome! That one looks clean!!

JustRight
05-20-2016, 06:02 AM
What shifter do you have in there?

martyo
05-20-2016, 12:29 PM
What shifter do you have in there?

Hurst Dual Gate

It is a "His and Hers"

chief455
05-20-2016, 05:35 PM
Lowered 1 inch and added Hotchis shocks. I also did a disc brake conversion.
did you buy re arched leafs, or...?

Hurst Dual Gate

It is a "His and Hers"

Dual Gate.
his & hers was for 67-68 GTO man :P

martyo
05-20-2016, 06:05 PM
did you buy re arched leafs, or...?



Factory springs.


did you buy re arched leafs, or...?


Dual Gate.
his & hers was for 67-68 GTO man :P

Whatever. In these parts they are referred to both ways.

martyo
05-20-2016, 06:17 PM
Dual Gate.
his & hers was for 67-68 GTO man :P

Other than the keyed lockout mine is identical. And, as you can see, they call it both the "Dual Gate" and "His and Hers."

http://barnfinds.com/his-and-hers-1968-pontiac-gto/

chief455
05-21-2016, 07:27 AM
Whatever. In these parts they are quick to go both ways.
:eek::eek:

Other than the keyed lockout mine is identical. And, as you can see, they call it both the "Dual Gate" and "His and Hers."

http://barnfinds.com/his-and-hers-1968-pontiac-gto/

I see you found the 'his and hers' reference for a 68 GTO (to my point)

I'll mail you $1 if you find the Trans Am Hurst Dual Gate shifter advertised as such. :D
I think it's because girls weren't allowed to buy a T/A or something :confused:

All joking aside, you nailed the stance - I was never able to do that with stock rear springs. :beer:

martyo
05-21-2016, 08:30 AM
:eek::eek:


I see you found the 'his and hers' reference for a 68 GTO (to my point)

I'll mail you $1 if you find the Trans Am Hurst Dual Gate shifter advertised as such. :D
I think it's because girls weren't allowed to buy a T/A or something :confused:

All joking aside, you nailed the stance - I was never able to do that with stock rear springs. :beer:

The dual gate on the TA was a Day Two option.

This is the third F body we've done in two years so we have the formula figured out.