Engine ticking

[cer0413]

Hey Gang-

This ticking noise reveals itself during normal operating temperatures. My guess is the timing chain guides because I do have the rattling noise at start up but while its warming up, there's no ticking. I did manage to find a video on YouTube of a marauder with the same noise but the poster did not post a solution. Any advice would truly be appreciated.

https://youtu.be/AAAmq4AwGKk

[Zack]

I could use the side work $$$ if you decide to replace everything..

[lji372]

I could use the side work $$$ if you decide to replace everything..

i have some side work for ya!

and a sound proof room to work in :D

[cer0413]

I could use the side work $$$ if you decide to replace everything..
I almost drove off the road last night from the "bleached" response thanks to you lol but I plan on ordering the parts then I would get back to you.

i have some side work for ya!

and a sound proof room to work in :D
Lies! I saw that room and those walls were thin as Ally Mcbeal. [emoji19]

[camelgrundle]

Make sure it's coming from the timing cover before you order all the parts.

[Curless]

DO NOT CONTINUE TO DRIVE YOUR CAR! If those timing chain guides are loose, destruction is eminent. Ask Steve what happens if you keep driving it....can you say all 32 valves?

[cer0413]

Make sure it's coming from the timing cover before you order all the parts.
Yes it is.

DO NOT CONTINUE TO DRIVE YOUR CAR! If those timing chain guides are loose, destruction is eminent. Ask Steve what happens if you keep driving it....can you say all 32 valves?
I've driven it a couple of times but after reading this, it will stay parked till I'm ready to fix it.

[stevengerard]

DO NOT CONTINUE TO DRIVE YOUR CAR! If those timing chain guides are loose, destruction is eminent. Ask Steve what happens if you keep driving it....can you say all 32 valves?

nothing :rolleyes:

[solo5057]

thats not your timing guides or chains trust me i thought the same thing. my was just like yours. its going to be bad valve guide's, or bad cam lobe on the cam's. 3pc cam thats what i no about it any way.

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

Its going to blow. Lets trade wheels now before yours are damaged in the explosion.

[8UWITH6]

Get her fixed CJ. Someone in your area can help you.

[Zack]

thats not your timing guides or chains trust me i thought the same thing. my was just like yours. its going to be bad valve guide's, or bad cam lobe on the cam's. 3pc cam thats what i no about it any way.

WAT

:confused::confused::confused:

[martyo]

WAT

:confused::confused::confused:

I think my brayun just melted!

[robertmoreno14]

Interesting.

https://youtu.be/43p3CfOebBg

[solo5057]

well what i had said was my engine was doing the same thing as his. the 3 pc cam, and valve guide is what was causing it! just some info!!! take it or leve. it!;)

[Zack]

Chains don't stretch

[solo5057]

yeah your right about that. when i got my first marauder. thats what every one was saying its your timing chains so i replaced all that still had the tick, so pulled the engine had both the heads done with new guides put it back in still had the tick! so a guy told me about the cam so replaced thoes. and tick was gone. you couln't tell the cam was bad by looking at it. in the engine when running it ticked.

[cer0413]

Get her fixed CJ. Someone in your area can help you.
Will do man. I have the parts in checkout now so I'm ordering them tomorrow asap. All I needed was an installer and Big booty up top said he's available to do it so that's the route I'm taking.

[8UWITH6]

Best of luck. I got on my ish hard the other day now I have a tick around 2 grand. Not as loud as yours but zero given. Good luck.

[TAKEDOWN]

^^^ What was your tick problem?

[Zack]

^^^ What was your tick problem?

Is yours still broke? I can work on it.

[TAKEDOWN]

Is yours still broke? I can work on it.

DANGIT ZACK!!!

I knew you were busy so I didn't want to be pest so it's sitting at Han's joint (Deans Performance) now... DANGIT!

[justbob]

DANGIT ZACK!!!



I knew you were busy so I didn't want to be pest so it's sitting at Han's joint (Deans Performance) now... DANGIT!


Sure, drive right by me and don't even wave..


Builder Of Badassery

[TAKEDOWN]

Sure, drive right by me and don't even wave..


Builder Of Badassery

Sorry Brothah... I had no idea where the hell I was! You know I love ya!!!

[Reek09]

Got in it today to go to lunch and when I started it sounded like somebody was shaking a can with rocks in it. It smoothed out for a few but then as I was driving it got louder. Checked the oil it was none on my dipstick..put oil it in and on the way home the noise got louder and louder..pulled over at a gas station and popped the hood and it was sounding like the cam is hitting against the covers or something sounds terrible..and now I'm heart broken. Any advice where I should get an engine?? I'm in fort Washington, MD...

[cer0413]

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[lifespeed]

If valve guides are a problem it should manifest as oil consumption, maybe smoke at startup or deceleration, and you should be able to see it on the spark plugs. In my case I did not find any of these issues. Plugs were still clean after 70K miles, no smoke and minimal oil use.

I've been getting a rattle between 3,000 - 5,000 RPM as the engine revs up. A couple times at an idle I caught it slapping the timing chain. Didn't do it often, but I though the sound was distinctive.

It is at the Ford dealer now getting an FRP timing kit put in it as well as new hydraulic adjusters. Hopefully that does it, it is a lot of $$ in parts and labor. Not really able to do it myself right now, too much else going on.

What is the 3-piece camshaft issue? Are they pressed together and then loosen up?

[WPG_Merc]

Interesting.

https://youtu.be/43p3CfOebBg
:agree:
I had the same prob,A tensioner that was ticking & a worn chain.:eek:
So I had everything replaced from MMR but UPGRADED Primary chain tensioners (left and Right) with CAST IRON instead of plastic with built in fail safe ratchet in case of oil pressure loss & added Comp Cams Stage 3 Blower cams.:banana:
Gotta love the lumpyness :D

[lifespeed]

Chains don't stretch

The chain that doesn't "stretch" has yet to be invented. Really it is wear at the link pivots. It is not as obvious to eyeball on a long, tensioned chain in a 4.6 and see wear compared to a cam-in-block small block Chevy or Ford. I'm sure you've seen a slack chain on one of these old engines.

For someone who seems to know cars you come up with some weird ones sometimes. Magic 4.6L timing chains that don't wear, suspension parts with an infinite life, etc. EVERYTHING wears, one just has to know what a reasonable lifespan is, what the symptoms are and when to change it out. Yeah, I'm putting all new chains in to go with the new guides and tensioners. No false economy here.

[Zack]

Culprit identified

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn306/Marauder-Z/Marauder%20Repairs/C0FBD8BE-B4FB-4FAB-A1C5-8873E9C9EC0E_zpssnmptowc.jpg (http://s307.photobucket.com/user/Marauder-Z/media/Marauder%20Repairs/C0FBD8BE-B4FB-4FAB-A1C5-8873E9C9EC0E_zpssnmptowc.jpg.h tml)

After 4 hours of work:

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn306/Marauder-Z/Marauder%20Repairs/00203C3E-143B-484B-9746-224DB2BD2D8E_zpssestgnf6.jpg (http://s307.photobucket.com/user/Marauder-Z/media/Marauder%20Repairs/00203C3E-143B-484B-9746-224DB2BD2D8E_zpssestgnf6.jpg.h tml)


Should be done Saturday morning

[camelgrundle]

nice progress. Would take me a full weekend to accomplish that.

[cer0413]

Culprit identified

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn306/Marauder-Z/Marauder%20Repairs/C0FBD8BE-B4FB-4FAB-A1C5-8873E9C9EC0E_zpssnmptowc.jpg (http://s307.photobucket.com/user/Marauder-Z/media/Marauder%20Repairs/C0FBD8BE-B4FB-4FAB-A1C5-8873E9C9EC0E_zpssnmptowc.jpg.h tml)

After 4 hours of work:

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn306/Marauder-Z/Marauder%20Repairs/00203C3E-143B-484B-9746-224DB2BD2D8E_zpssestgnf6.jpg (http://s307.photobucket.com/user/Marauder-Z/media/Marauder%20Repairs/00203C3E-143B-484B-9746-224DB2BD2D8E_zpssestgnf6.jpg.h tml)


Should be done Saturday morning
You are the man. Is my engine strong enough for the procharger? Thanks again.

[8UWITH6]

So Zack. Stupid question. But I assume you can install the guides and tensioners without messing with the chains correct?

CJ, where did you order parts from?

Thanks.

[Zack]

So Zack. Stupid question. But I assume you can install the guides and tensioners without messing with the chains correct?

CJ, where did you order parts from?

Thanks.

Yes just zip tie the chains to prevent them from moving.
I mark everything though just in case something slips.

[8UWITH6]

Sounds reasonable. You done yet? ;)

[Zack]

Sounds reasonable. You done yet? ;)

I'm at work with a god awful head cold and burning up.

Hopefully leaving very soon.

[8UWITH6]

At least you show up to work when your sick and let them send you home. That whole work ethic thing sucks sometimes doesn't it? Nothing helps head colds like working on Marauders. Feel better soon.

[cer0413]

So Zack. Stupid question. But I assume you can install the guides and tensioners without messing with the chains correct?

CJ, where did you order parts from?

Thanks.
Rock auto. I ordered the metal guides as suggested but my tensioners are plastic but I was told no biggie. If you need the part #s, ill text them to you. Can't wait to see your insides too.

I'm at work with a god awful head cold and burning up.

Hopefully leaving very soon.
I bet green paper would make you feel better. Lol

[Zack]

Rock auto. I ordered the metal guides as suggested but my tensioners are plastic but I was told no biggie. If you need the part #s, ill text them to you. Can't wait to see your insides too.

I bet green paper would make you feel better. Lol

The only thing that could make me feel better is a reach around and ridding my garage of a DTR. :flamer:

[cer0413]

The only thing that could make me feel better is a reach around and ridding my garage of a DTR. :flamer:
Lmao!!!!! Calm down, it won't be long.

[CoreyM75]

My engine kinda sounds like the original posters video, not as loud, but I can hear it. Guess I'll order the parts just to be safe.

[Zack]

Never forget to mod the PS cam cover before re-installing. It goes right in with the engine position untouched

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn306/Marauder-Z/Marauder%20Repairs/6572CC88-3D53-42CE-B170-E0C3EA08F271_zpsunstfe4p.jpg (http://s307.photobucket.com/user/Marauder-Z/media/Marauder%20Repairs/6572CC88-3D53-42CE-B170-E0C3EA08F271_zpsunstfe4p.jpg.h tml)

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn306/Marauder-Z/Marauder%20Repairs/3FB5A4B8-CC05-4D17-A582-F67B3817BBAF_zpslgjwksa8.jpg (http://s307.photobucket.com/user/Marauder-Z/media/Marauder%20Repairs/3FB5A4B8-CC05-4D17-A582-F67B3817BBAF_zpslgjwksa8.jpg.h tml)

[camelgrundle]

Never forget to mod the PS cam cover before re-installing. It goes right in with the engine position untouched

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn306/Marauder-Z/Marauder%20Repairs/6572CC88-3D53-42CE-B170-E0C3EA08F271_zpsunstfe4p.jpg (http://s307.photobucket.com/user/Marauder-Z/media/Marauder%20Repairs/6572CC88-3D53-42CE-B170-E0C3EA08F271_zpsunstfe4p.jpg.h tml)

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn306/Marauder-Z/Marauder%20Repairs/3FB5A4B8-CC05-4D17-A582-F67B3817BBAF_zpslgjwksa8.jpg (http://s307.photobucket.com/user/Marauder-Z/media/Marauder%20Repairs/3FB5A4B8-CC05-4D17-A582-F67B3817BBAF_zpslgjwksa8.jpg.h tml)

Awesome thanks for posting this pic!!

[8UWITH6]

Because???????????

[justbob]

Because???????????


Because he said so. [emoji8]


Builder Of Badassery

[fastblackmerc]

Awesome thanks for posting this pic!!

So it goes in without having to move the engine. Just like Zack said.

[Zack]

Car is DONE
I ended up replacing the oil adapter gasket for him too, changed the oil and drove it to the sel serve car wash to spray the years of oil and grime off the crossmember and surrounding areas.
(I do that for nice customers that don't call me every day and show up with all the money) lol

Oh yeah, I cleaned your wiper cowl out as well...

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn306/Marauder-Z/Marauder%20Repairs/DC25F439-880E-4F4A-A2BF-FA2091601381_zpshstyqcbq.jpg (http://s307.photobucket.com/user/Marauder-Z/media/Marauder%20Repairs/DC25F439-880E-4F4A-A2BF-FA2091601381_zpshstyqcbq.jpg.h tml)

[cer0413]

Car is DONE
I ended up replacing the oil adapter gasket for him too, changed the oil and drove it to the sel serve car wash to spray the years of oil and grime off the crossmember and surrounding areas.
(I do that for nice customers that don't call me every day and show up with all the money) lol

Oh yeah, I cleaned your wiper cowl out as well...

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn306/Marauder-Z/Marauder%20Repairs/DC25F439-880E-4F4A-A2BF-FA2091601381_zpshstyqcbq.jpg (http://s307.photobucket.com/user/Marauder-Z/media/Marauder%20Repairs/DC25F439-880E-4F4A-A2BF-FA2091601381_zpshstyqcbq.jpg.h tml)
Ewwwwww! Again, I appreciate the extra help. You're the best!

[8UWITH6]

So it goes in without having to move the engine. Just like Zack said.

I understand that. So it comes out but wont go back in? Or do I assume the engine was moved to remove the cover?

Sorry for the newb questions, Ive never had a a cam cover off a mod motor.

Thanks.

[1stMerc]

Ewwwwww! Again, I appreciate the extra help. You're the best!
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn306/Marauder-Z/Marauder%20Repairs/DC25F439-880E-4F4A-A2BF-FA2091601381_zpshstyqcbq.jpg (http://s307.photobucket.com/user/Marauder-Z/media/Marauder%20Repairs/DC25F439-880E-4F4A-A2BF-FA2091601381_zpshstyqcbq.jpg.h tml)

He saved you a future headache.
Good looking out Zack.

[Zack]

I understand that. So it comes out but wont go back in? Or do I assume the engine was moved to remove the cover?

Sorry for the newb questions, Ive never had a a cam cover off a mod motor.

Thanks.

I can get the cam cover out with ease, engine position untouched.
However, it may or may not booger the AC box insulation just a bit.
It's all about the angle
(That's what she said)