M-6009-B53 Ford Racing shortblock

[babbage]

Summit racing has them for $5,500. Ford racing says that the compression ratio would be 10.2:1 - with stock 4v heads. Not great but could perhaps run more timing.
http://www.speednik.com/files/2014/12/frpp-106-640x426.jpg


Features of the short block include:

Built from all new parts, not remanufactured
Based on BOSS 5.0 modular block (4.6 architecture)
94 mm bore
5.3-liter displacement
Eagle forged H-beam rods
Eagle forged stroker crank
MAHLE forged pistons with three-valve cylinder head compatible valve relief
Compatible with two, three, or four valve 4.6 heads, including Trick Flow
Compression ranges from 9:1 to over 10:1 depending upon cylinder heads


http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fms-m-6009-b53



Not going to buy one now, thats for sure. but was wondering what ya'll would think of this shortblock with fresh 03/04 4v heads and 96-98 cobra cams N/A with my SW headers etc. Worth it?

[Comin' in Hot]

I knew they were coming, I must resist.

[babbage]

I knew they were coming, I must resist.

This is the other picture/info

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/FORDSVTPARTS/FRPP/b53_zpsoynpqdfz.jpg


wonder how much extra to make it with flat tops - l10.9:1 would be better.

[Badass_forever]

still not worth it, not for that price, you could build something blown and make so much more horse power for the money.

[MOTOWN]

Price wise it's exactly where it should be, i would have liked to see better rods , pistons over Eagle brand, but your getting what you are paying for, all in all its a good buy , you can't build that same shortblock for that price.

[Zack]

A non-stroked engine is better than a stroked.
Less piston speed.

[babbage]

Any HP/TQ guesses for N/A with 96-98 cobra cams, SW headers and fresh valve job 4v 03/04 heads? (10.2:1 CR) It would have to be better than stock engine, although heaver. I see the Boss block alone goes for $1200. I wonder how long it will be made available from Ford Racing...

I already have the heads, front cover, ported lower, new timing set, cams.
For S/C later on would be possible as it's forged etc. But want to stay N/A

Wonder how this would compare to stock stroke 5.0 with 94mm pistons.
Like the T50 below, which is pricey but very nice.

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTQwWDk2MA==/z/mWwAAOSwgQ9VhGs-/$_57.JPG
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Racing-5-0-Cammer-Aluminum-Engine-Block-M-6010-T50-/121692178531

[Logizyme]

+1 on better crank and rods desired.
+1 on good value

Given the non-ideal compression and 3v pistons, not really the best option for us.

[Marauderjack]

A non-stroked engine is better than a stroked.
Less piston speed.

Why is that???:confused:

[Bad_S55]

I'm just waiting for it to be released! With 2V heads, it has a stupid 10.9:1+ compression ratio and makes just under 400 horses, so it should be a lot of fun.

[MOTOWN]

A non-stroked engine is better than a stroked.
Less piston speed.

This is 100% true! Couldn't agree more.

[MOTOWN]

Any HP/TQ guesses for N/A with 96-98 cobra cams, SW headers and fresh valve job 4v 03/04 heads? (10.2:1 CR) It would have to be better than stock engine, although heaver. I see the Boss block alone goes for $1200. I wonder how long it will be made available from Ford Racing...

I already have the heads, front cover, ported lower, new timing set, cams.
For S/C later on would be possible as it's forged etc. But want to stay N/A

Wonder how this would compare to stock stroke 5.0 with 94mm pistons.
Like the T50 below, which is pricey but very nice.

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTQwWDk2MA==/z/mWwAAOSwgQ9VhGs-/$_57.JPG
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Racing-5-0-Cammer-Aluminum-Engine-Block-M-6010-T50-/121692178531

I was say 340-360 RWHP ,Nice block , basically an aluminum version of the Boss block.

[Badass_forever]

I was thinking 380 wheel area as well, great numbers... but again... for the price... 380hp at 8K is not a good deal.

[chief455]

not a big enough displacement increase to equal spending the money on 4.6/boosted.
And the set compression not so boost inviting. Should offer it with dished pistons for blower applications. Price about like buying stoker assembly and machining a used 4.6 block. The deal is getting a 'new' block.
Sometimes a seasoned, freshly machined block specs out better than new castings.

in a 2V car, his could be a nice option to building one from scratch.

[RubberCtyRauder]

Why is that???:confused:

In general, increasing stroke length, increases friction which decreases HP. I'm sure there is more to it than that..Bore size, Ring gap etc..all play a part of it.

[Marauderjack]

In general, increasing stroke length, increases friction which decreases HP. I'm sure there is more to it than that..Bore size, Ring gap etc..all play a part of it.

Yes but stroke increase is really minimal here.....hard to believe it could make much difference??:confused:

I agree you can get the job done quite well with normal bore and stroke though!!:beer:

[chief455]

I was say 340-360 RWHP ,Nice block , basically an aluminum version of the Boss block.

was missing that this new short block is a cast iron block.
used Cobra block, filled with better quality parts FTW

[blkZooM]

I'm going after something bigger displacement wise but this is a cool option non the less


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[Zack]

Anyone who chases NA horsepower with a mod motor is either quite wealthy, uneducated or against supercharging.

[ctrlraven]

Anyone who chases NA horsepower with a mod motor is either quite wealthy, uneducated or against supercharging.
I'm against supercharging, I want turbo. :burnout:

[chief455]

Anyone who chases NA horsepower with a mod motor is either quite wealthy, uneducated or against supercharging.
I was against forced induction, and uneducated on mod motors on my quest to make my car fun staying n/a.
Now, I want a bigger blower.

[MOTOWN]

I was against forced induction, and uneducated on mod motors on my quest to make my car fun staying n/a.
Now, I want a bigger blower.

This post should be a "MANDATORY" read for all new members who think they are going to reinvent the wheel!:coolman:

[JBeezy]

Is there a sticky somewhere for high performance engine options? I am considering selling my 57k mile engine and buying me something I can throw more boost at. Something I can still use my stock fuel lines with. Not trying to redo the fuel system

[blkZooM]

Is there a sticky somewhere for high performance engine options? I am considering selling my 57k mile engine and buying me something I can throw more boost at. Something I can still use my stock fuel lines with. Not trying to redo the fuel system


Anytime you mention more boost, more fuel should follow, never sleep on the fuel system. I'm a fan of over building your fuel system.


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[CWright]

Anytime you mention more boost, more fuel should follow, never sleep on the fuel system. I'm a fan of over building your fuel system.


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+1 ^^^^^^^

[chief455]

This post should be a "MANDATORY" read for all new members who think they are going to reinvent the wheel!:coolman:
:D guilty of trying back when I first got the car.

Anytime you mention more boost, more fuel should follow, never sleep on the fuel system. I'm a fan of over building your fuel system.


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+1 ^^^^^^^
+2......

[JBeezy]

Sorry, wrong post

[lifespeed]

You can't double the horsepower of a 4.6L without boost, it is already a highly efficient and powerful small engine. To quote Spinal Tap: "You're on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where?"

Stroking just squeezes all the critical reciprocating assembly parameters in the wrong direction; piston thrust, speed, ring pack height, rod length, angle, bore/stroke ratio, etc. It works, but has some downsides. That's why the 5.4L has a taller deck.

These cars need a lot more power, another 60 to 80 HP from expensive tweaking of a NA motor will just make you mad. May as well do an expensive blower motor.

[chief455]

"You're on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where?"


'You put it at eleven. Exactly. One louder....'

[babbage]

chief455 and Lightspeed whats your 1/4 mile time? Mine N/A is plenty now and dare I say as quick as a stock MM + heat soaked trilogy kit. :) Spent about same money.

re: fuel system, got a nice 255lph ford pump from Blue Oval + huge kinsler filer with 3' braided lines, so that should be enough to feed an N/A 5.0 - T50 would be nice.

[chief455]

chief455 and Lightspeed whats your 1/4 mile time? Mine N/A is plenty now and dare I say as quick as a stock MM + heat soaked trilogy kit. :) Spent about same money.

re: fuel system, got a nice 255lph ford pump from Blue Oval + huge kinsler filer with 3' braided lines, so that should be enough to feed an N/A 5.0 - T50 would be nice.
never brought it to the track....

[lifespeed]

I have stock engine with a tune, doubt the 1/4 mile is impressive. The engine is still in great shape except for the usual plastic tensioner failure followed by timing set replacement.

Everything else in the car wore out first so the upgrades went there. I'll get to a hot engine in the next couple years as the remaining life in this one fades.

It looks like you managed to get a bit more out of your engine, although I'm sure the gears help as well.