And another delay

[Lowndex]

Livernois originally stated a delivery date of 6/17/15 for my 5.3L aluminum stroker. In early June, that date slipped to mid-July. Today, Livernois shared they lost one of their senior engine builders and, although they have hired a replacement senior engine builder, all schedules are behind.

When pressed for more information, Livernois replied, "we have 2-3 builds ahead of you. As such, we have not even started your build!" When asked for a revised delivery date, Livernois replied, "at this time, we do not know!"

Who runs a business this way? Customers have to call vendors to hear bad news on missed delivery dates with revised schedule more than double the original schedule. Delays are one thing, but 2 month schedule delays requiring the customer to call is serious lack of professionalism.

At this point, I will be lucky to see the motor by September. :mad2:

[BeeDamn]

"Livernois Motorsports specializes in late model Ford" lol

[MMBLUE]

And you should be surprised ???

I'd look into a MMR. At the rate they are saying, you might have it done this time next year.

[martyo]

This whole build still puzzles me, but what do I know.

[ctrlraven]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1314663/snickers-o.gif

[JohnE]

Drop that vendor and save yourself lots of issues.


If I were to buy a modular engine, here's where I would go: https://www.lmengines.com/

These guys are very good. It would be built right and have durability.



John

[rauder88]

Why didn't you just have your engine builder build one in the first place?

[BUCKWHEAT]

Livernois originally stated a delivery date of 6/17/15 for my 5.3L aluminum stroker. In early June, that date slipped to mid-July. Today, Livernois shared they lost one of their senior engine builders and, although they have hired a replacement senior engine builder, all schedules are behind.

When pressed for more information, Livernois replied, "we have 2-3 builds ahead of you. As such, we have not even started your build!" When asked for a revised delivery date, Livernois replied, "at this time, we do not know!"

Who runs a business this way? Customers have to call vendors to hear bad news on missed delivery dates with revised schedule more than double the original schedule. Delays are one thing, but 2 month schedule delays requiring the customer to call is serious lack of professionalism.

At this point, I will be lucky to see the motor by September. :mad2:

Lidio delivered mine on time on target & on budget. It still runs well 10k miles later....

[lji372]

"Livernois Motorsports specializes in late model Ford" lol

:lol:

I see what you did there.


Livernois is local and I wouldn't use them. Just saying.....

[1stMerc]

Originally Posted by BeeDamn http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/images/bgold/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1456363#post1 456363)
"Livernois Motorsports specializes in late model Ford" lol


:lol:

I see what you did there.


Livernois is local and I wouldn't use them. Just saying.....



HaHa, now I see it to:)

[chief455]

This whole build still puzzles me, but what do I know.
I know tons less, and I've been puzzled as well....

Why didn't you just have your engine builder build one in the first place?
because:
it would be done by now
It could be your marauder block with forged internals
it would have cost thousands less
it could have surpassed stated power goals
:confused:

I will always say 'good luck' on any build, sincerely, but this defy s logic.

[sailsmen]

What they are saying is they cant do it and maybe they can do it latter.

This is why I went with a Ford Reman Cobra Long Block that came with a 3year/75K warranty.

I would look at other options.

ps The most horror stories I have heard regarding autos is "engine builders".
One of the original members of this site who pioneered modding the MM after a lot of research hired an "engine builder". He subsequently reported what a nightmare it was and that the "engine builder" misrepresented what was rebuilt.

[Lowndex]

The engine builder, KC of BRG Racing, has been the bright spot in the project. KC got my money back from Ford Racing (I picked). Originally, KC offered to te-build my stock motor with forged internals or build me an engine from scratch. Had I chose either one,.......

[lifespeed]

ps The most horror stories I have heard regarding autos is "engine builders".

This is a very good point. I have had several good engines, and one fatally flawed engine (4.6L 2V) which was killed by crappy Probe pistons that could not be run at the specified clearance without scuffing the cylinder walls. Not the engine builders fault, really, he installed to spec.

But getting an engine built correctly is not trivial, and the car owner is the one to pay the price.

[Lowndex]

This is a very good point. I have had several good engines, and one fatally flawed engine (4.6L 2V) which was killed by crappy Probe pistons that could not be run at the specified clearance without scuffing the cylinder walls. Not the engine builders fault, really, he installed to spec.

But getting an engine built correctly is not trivial, and the car owner is the one to pay the price.

You mean like this?
http://www.horsepowerjunkies.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145355

[Lowndex]

KC, BRG Racing owner and my engine builder, has been doing business with Livernois (http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/pages/About-Us.html) for 10 years. KC turned the September delivery date into 8/11/15. Better than a kick in the head.

[blkZooM]

I've heard too much horror stories of vendors and "built engines" reason I said hell with it I'll just get something from FRPP when I want to go "built"


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[chief455]

I've heard too much horror stories of vendors and "built engines" reason I said hell with it I'll just get something from FRPP when I want to go "built"


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yet, Lowndex issues started with a defective FRPP crate motor.
It can, and does, happen to anyone that builds engines.

My approach has been to deal with as few sources to minimize blame/fitment issues, and have it machined/assembled by a shop after establlishing trust.
My builder, a small shop, grew up as a friend. Opened his own shop.
When my 428SCJ block blew water from the cylinder he had just bored .030, and assembled, he gave me his personal 428 thick web standard bore block and built it again. Stuff happens.
you won't get that quick, personal treatment from Livernois or FRPP....

[Badass_forever]

:lol:

I see what you did there.


Livernois is local and I wouldn't use them. Just saying.....

They make great products, I cannot tell you how many people i personally know, that think they knew about cars, had an engine built and then install it and ****ed everything up. then said negative things about the company.

It is not hard to build and engine, as long as the machine work is done correct and you don't cheap out on parts, use a whole case of brake kleen, it is very easy.

When A shop is busy, that means they do good work, Livernois does a lot of work for ford and roush. I bet if you walked into there shop at any given time there are at least two ford test cars there. Ford just does not give "*****y" shops test cars. They do great work

The last engine I built for a guy was for a 04 svt cobra, he put the thing together, timed it wrong, smashed his valves and then had the balls to blame me. even tryed to take me to court. So when people say bad things about engine builders, 99% of the time it was there own dumbass faults.

/rant

[Lowndex]

yet, Lowndex issues started with a defective FRPP crate motor.
It can, and does, happen to anyone that builds engines.

My approach has been to deal with as few sources to minimize blame/fitment issues, and have it machined/assembled by a shop after establlishing trust.
My builder, a small shop, grew up as a friend. Opened his own shop.
When my 428SCJ block blew water from the cylinder he had just bored .030, and assembled, he gave me his personal 428 thick web standard bore block and built it again. Stuff happens.
you won't get that quick, personal treatment from Livernois or FRPP....

"My approach has been to deal with as few sources to minimize blame/fitment issues, and have it machined/assembled by a shop after establishing trust."

Can I get an AMEN? I trust KC and will not buy or install an engine he has not blessed.

That said, Marauder members here gave sound advice too: re-build the stock motor with forged internals or cut KC lose to build a motor from scratch. By now, all have figured out this is my first auto re-build project. My fear of building a motor from scratch limited me in the beginning. I came to trust KC from 'trial-by-fire' - mistakes by vendors.

Summary, people here know what the hell they are talking about. Very, very little advice here has been of track. I was too inexperienced to have faith (believe in the absence of proof). Lessons were learned the hard way. The good out of it is KC..... and hopefully a cherry ride someday.

[chief455]

"My approach has been to deal with as few sources to minimize blame/fitment issues, and have it machined/assembled by a shop after establishing trust."

Can I get an AMEN? I trust KC and will not buy or install an engine he has not blessed.

That said, Marauder members here gave sound advice too: re-build the stock motor with forged internals or cut KC lose to build a motor from scratch. By now, all have figured out this is my first auto re-build project. My fear of building a motor from scratch limited me in the beginning. I came to trust KC from 'trial-by-fire' - mistakes by vendors.

Summary, people here know what the hell they are talking about. Very, very little advice here has been of track. I was too inexperienced to have faith (believe in the absence of proof). Lessons were learned the hard way. The good out of it is KC..... and hopefully a cherry ride someday.
:up:
If you trust KC explicitly, why have them inspect someone else's fresh engine? It's like building it twice, and buying it twice.
Next go round, start your build with them, take advise from them, buy your new parts through them. It will be done quicker, to their standards, and with full accountability on them. Plus you'll save $, and build a lasting relationship. I can bring my guy an engine 5 years from speaking to him last, and it's like we had lunch yesterday.
Lesson learned, and we have all done it, in some way.

[Lowndex]

Livernois motor shipped on 8/21 - arrives 8/28 at BRG Racing.

Silver Fox transmission due in September.

[babbage]

Sweet - I hope it's good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHyH92gNGiI