Livernois Aluminum 5.3L Stroker

[Lowndex]

I special ordered a Livernois Aluminum Big Bore Stroker 5.3L, V8, 4V. All forged internals. Based off the 3V version (http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/products/323ci-Big-Bore-Stroker-Boss-Iron-Pro-Series-Shortblock%252d%282V%2C-3V%2C-4V%29.html), but machined for a 4V, 5.3L Stroker.

Below are some early pics after KC, BRG Racing, torn down the engine for analysis. The Diamond pistons top dead center, Scat crank, block straightness front-to-back, porting work, Manley H-rods clearances, etc... all checked out to KC's liking.

Heads and the custom powder coated intake manifold to follow in a couple of weeks.

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[cer0413]

nice!!!!!!!!!!

[Lowndex]

First time I have heard KC say, "that'll do."

Felt like the movie Babe - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjQtzV9IZ0Q

[cer0413]

First time I have heard KC say, "that'll do."

Felt like the movie Babe - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjQtzV9IZ0Q
lol how much power N/A will that thing make?

[Zack]

You paid twice for engine assembly and clearance checks?
I want your money!

[Lowndex]

You paid twice for engine assembly and clearance checks?
I want your money!

Good thing I did too, or the serious flaws with the Ford Racing engine would never had been found until the engine blew up!

As for my money, your wish is within reach. You need only a MSEE, 30 years experience in enterprise computer software and work your ass off.

[sailsmen]

I bought a short block in 1989 from Ford. The mechanic broke it down. Good thing he did several things were off.

[Marauderjack]

Good thing I did too, or the serious flaws with the Ford Racing engine would never had been found until the engine blew up!

As for my money, your wish is within reach. You need only a MSEE, 30 years experience in enterprise computer software and work your ass off.

Then why not let your mechanic build it in the first place??:confused:

Did I miss something here:cool:

Looks nice.....hope it serves ya well!!:beer:

[TooManyFords]

Good thing I did too, or the serious flaws with the Ford Racing engine would never had been found until the engine blew up!What exactly did he find?

[lji372]

Good thing I did too, or the serious flaws with the Ford Racing engine would never had been found until the engine blew up!

As for my money, your wish is within reach. You need only a MSEE, 30 years experience in enterprise computer software and work your ass off.

So your not going to just send money, :shake: I'm out :lol:

[hotford]

[QUOTE=Lowndex;1473789]Good thing I did too, or the serious flaws with the Ford Racing engine would never had been found until the engine blew up!


What flaw did ya find...........

[Lowndex]

[QUOTE=Lowndex;1473789]Good thing I did too, or the serious flaws with the Ford Racing engine would never had been found until the engine blew up!


What flaw did ya find...........

1. The block was not straight, front to back.
2. All the rods had significant gunk on them. Upon starting the motor, we would have likely blown the rear seal.
3. None of the pistons meet specifications of top dead center.
4. The crankshaft was not a forged, high quality product.
5. The internal porting was of such poor quality, one did not dare put your hand or fingers down inside the block - lots of rough, sharp edges.

In general, the short block was an embarrassment. Ford Racing refunded my monies including shipping and 6 hrs of shop labor.



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Livernois is a far superior product!

[1Marauder]

WOW that is SHARP!

[redmercy04]

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[Marauderjack]

I repeat inquiry from Post #8.......

Then why not let your mechanic build it in the first place??

Did I miss something here??

Looks nice.....hope it serves ya well!!

[Lowndex]

Then why not let your mechanic build it in the first place??:confused:

Did I miss something here:cool:

Looks nice.....hope it serves ya well!!:beer:

Simply put, the choice to build a motor from scratch scared me. I preferred to use Livernois.

[Marauderjack]

So ya buy a completely assembled motor with a warranty from a reputable builder and have someone take it apart to see what you have but you don't trust him to build one from scratch........I'm totally lost....sorry!!:(

[TooManyFords]

I thought we were talking about the Livernois block having all those problems listed. It was from a block previous to the one you just got? Or, did the Livernois block have all those issues? *confused*

[chief455]

So ya buy a completely assembled motor with a warranty from a reputable builder and have someone take it apart to see what you have but you don't trust him to build one from scratch........I'm totally lost....sorry!!:(
At McDonalds, buys a Big Mac.
Now drive to Burger King - "is this burger as good as they advertised?
Take a look, then put it back together your way"
I've done that.:depress:

[hotford]

I believe that he's stating that the FFRP one was the problem....

[HeavyMetalMerc]

yeah but then tearing down a new one (livernois) to just check it and possible exempt any warranty? i would ask again why not then just have the shop who checked it then build one, may have been cheaper.

[Lowndex]

I thought we were talking about the Livernois block having all those problems listed. It was from a block previous to the one you just got? Or, did the Livernois block have all those issues? *confused*

The defective motor was a Ford Racing 5.0L stroker (https://fordperformanceracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField= 22907) (Annihilator).

[Lowndex]

So ya buy a completely assembled motor with a warranty from a reputable builder and have someone take it apart to see what you have but you don't trust him to build one from scratch........I'm totally lost....sorry!!:(

The previous motor has severe flaws, which were only found by inspection. Ford refunded my monies.

Being bitten once, I did not trust installing a motor without a complete inspection. In my opinion, the choice is to double-check was sound.

[Lowndex]

yeah but then tearing down a new one (livernois) to just check it and possible exempt any warranty? i would ask again why not then just have the shop who checked it then build one, may have been cheaper.

No, tear down and analysis does not void the warranty. A reputable engine supplier understands and welcomes review of the product. If they did not, you should really be concerned.

Building a custom motor from scratch would not have been cheaper. You must understand the labor rate in CA ranges from $125-250 / hr! Simply out, the Silicon Valley is one of the most affluent areas in the world. So, labor costs are significantly higher here.

[Badass_forever]

did someone ask how much power will this make n/a? LOL about 15 more then stock.

[martyo]

You're shop is going to have a very merry Christmas thanks to you.

[CoreyM75]

You're shop is going to have a very merry Christmas thanks to you.

I heard that the owner is going to have his truck 24k gold plated when all of this is done.

[fastblackmerc]

The previous motor has severe flaws, which were only found by inspection. Ford refunded my monies.

Being bitten once, I did not trust installing a motor without a complete inspection. In my opinion, the choice is to double-check was sound.
+1 :up:

I'd do the same thing.

[Lowndex]

did someone ask how much power will this make n/a? LOL about 15 more then stock.

The stock motor is 238 rwhp. Because I must pass CA emissions testing, the true potential of the Livernois motor cannot be realized: new headers (will glow during a physical inspection), complete new exhaust system, 3" piping, high flow cats, etc.. ($1000 x 4 cats fine = $4000!).

From experience, KC of BRG Racing believes he can achieve 410-425 rwhp (natural aspirated) and pass smog. Then, add the ADTR Stage 2 blower and I will be over 500 rwhp.

[Lowndex]

I heard that the owner is going to have his truck 24k gold plated when all of this is done.

No need, I have enough gold in my Global X Silver Miners ETF (SIL) investments. Besides, a gold trunk would be tacky.

[RubberCtyRauder]

I don't think adtr stage 2 is cali legal..and 12psi will add a lot more than 85 rwhp

[RubberCtyRauder]

You're shop is going to have a very merry Christmas thanks to you.

The Marauder Veyron I think it's gonna be called

[Lowndex]

I don't think adtr stage 2 is cali legal..and 12psi will add a lot more than 85 rwhp

The Stage 2 is not CA legal. I will purchase the Stage 1 from ADTR (legal).

If I were so inclined, I could acquire the additional Stage 2 parts (from an unnamed source) and create a setup which allows me to return to Stage 1 for CA emissions testing and switch back for fun. But, that would be illegal! :beer:

[chief455]

The stock motor is 238 rwhp. Because I must pass CA emissions testing, the true potential of the Livernois motor cannot be realized: new headers (will glow during a physical inspection), complete new exhaust system, 3" piping, high flow cats, etc.. ($1000 x 4 cats fine = $4000!).

From experience, KC of BRG Racing believes he can achieve 410-425 rwhp (natural aspirated) and pass smog. Then, add the ADTR Stage 2 blower and I will be over 500 rwhp.

so, by bigger cubic inches and exhaust = gain of ~175rwhp n/a
boosting it = gain of ~75rwhp
Wow.
Can't wait to see the real results.

[Lowndex]

so, by bigger cubic inches and exhaust = gain of ~175rwhp n/a
boosting it = gain of ~75rwhp
Wow.
Can't wait to see the real results.

Stock displacement of 4.6L vs 5.3L plus high quality and performance, forged internal parts can easily add the stated rwhp. Livernois has dyno proven the stated rwhp numbers well in excess of 410. I lose a significant amount of rwhp choking the great motor to pass CA emissions.

I had to spend significant monies (parts and labor) to compensate for not living in, say, Texas.

BRG Racing has a sound dampened, HEPA air enclosure for dyno testing race cars, bikes and all else. Another CA requirement to meet city sound ordinance and EPA pollution laws. California ******** rules are never ending.

[dohc324ci]

Good luck man. interested to see you make those figures without long tubes. I made 331/381 peak on my BBS setup.

[Lowndex]

Good luck man. interested to see you make those figures without long tubes. I made 331/381 peak on my BBS setup.

You live in the area. You too could benefit from BRG Racing experience. Stop by and ask what else can be done to add more ponies.

[FordNut]

I'll be paying attention to this too. I made 365/369 with my BBS. Headers, ported, oversize valves, ported intake, 9.5:1 cr, mildly hotter comp cams.

[chief455]

I'll be paying attention to this too. I made 365/369 with my BBS. Headers, ported, oversize valves, ported intake, 9.5:1 cr, mildly hotter comp cams.
deduct the items in bold, that is what I see in this build so far.
Anxious to see 'well in excess of 410rwhp' before the boost.
We can always learn...

[Lowndex]

deduct the items in bold, that is what I see in this build so far.
Anxious to see 'well in excess of 410rwhp' before the boost.
We can always learn...

What I have (highlights):
* Livernois 5.3L Stroker - a custom built aluminum engine (not stock) with
- Diamond dish pistons
- Darton sleeves
- Scat 4340 crankshaft
- Manley H-beam rods

In addition:
* Bullet race camshaft ($2200) - not part of Livernois engine order
* head work that took many weeks to complete resulting in extremely tight seals (max. gain), ported oversized valves, ported intake
* Magnaflow Catted Tru-X 3" X-Pipe (after the stock exhaust manifold)

Along with dyno data, I will ask KC to write something up for posting herein. I simple do not have the competence to explain the numbers.

Below is the Livernois invoice. The Livernois pistons are either CP or Diamond. KC specified a specific Diamond dish piston.



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[chief455]

What I have (highlights):
* Livernois 5.3L Stroker - a custom built aluminum engine (not stock) with
- Diamond dish pistons
- Darton sleeves
- Scat 4340 crankshaft
- Manley H-beam rods

In addition:
* Bullet race camshaft ($2200) - not part of Livernois engine order
* head work that took many weeks to complete resulting in extremely tight seals (max. gain), ported oversized valves, ported intake
* Magnaflow Catted Tru-X 3" X-Pipe (after the stock exhaust manifold)

Along with dyno data, I will ask KC to write something up for posting herein. I simple do not have the competence to explain the numbers.

Below is the Livernois invoice. The Livernois pistons are either CP or Diamond. KC specified a specific Diamond dish piston.



Nice build. Specs very similar to FordNut posted sig when his was n/a.
Nothing to prove here, when it's done - you'll know! ;)

[Lowndex]

As so many have done similar builds with 368 rwhp territory, 410-425 may not happen. As Fordnut pointed out, I will not have a new exhaust manifold and long tubes. Folks here know what they are talking about. As such, I will ready myself for power numbers close to those shared.

Whatever I get for rwhp is okay as the ADTR blower gets me to the power I desire. The price of living in CA!

[FordNut]

Whatever I get for rwhp is okay as the ADTR blower gets me to the power I desire. The price of living in CA!

Forced Induction! That's the key. You'll love it. NA numbers of around 350 RWHP is really a lot of fun, too.

[dohc324ci]

You will love the NA power from the BBS I Dailey drove mine for a year and was so addicting! Heading over the altamont blasting through the rolling hills off of Tesla road so much fun. I'll have to get motivated again to do a Vortech SC. Lost interest in her...been through an MK5 and MK6 GTI Autobaun since and my daily so much fun for a compact 5 door.

[Logizyme]

Maybe I am mistaken, but it does not look like the block pictured in post #1 is sleeved for 5.3. Again maybe I am mistaken but everything I've heard; to get the 94-95mm bore required for 5.3 on a 4.6 aluminum required a wet sleeve (and a 3.75 or 3.8 crank), and that does not look like a Darton wet sleeve.

[FordNut]

Maybe I am mistaken, but it does not look like the block pictured in post #1 is sleeved for 5.3. Again maybe I am mistaken but everything I've heard; to get the 94-95mm bore required for 5.3 on a 4.6 aluminum required a wet sleeve (and a 3.75 or 3.8 crank), and that does not look like a Darton wet sleeve.

It can be done either wet or dry sleeve.

or Boss5.0 cast iron block.

[FordNut]

You will love the NA power from the BBS I Dailey drove mine for a year and was so addicting!

Sometimes I wish I had left mine like that.

[Logizyme]

It can be done either wet or dry sleeve.

or Boss5.0 cast iron block.

Interesting - makes big bore aluminums more enticing.

[Lowndex]

Interesting - makes big bore aluminums more enticing.

Costs much more than iron.

[loud2004marquis]

Sometimes I wish I had left mine like that.

then 365/369 N/A on 5.3 wet sleeved Teksid alum big bore stroker
Now 751/617 3.4L Whipple on 5.3 Boss5.0 iron big bore stroker

What makes you say that?

[FordNut]

Sometimes I wish I had left mine like that.


then 365/369 N/A on 5.3 wet sleeved Teksid alum big bore stroker
Now 751/617 3.4L Whipple on 5.3 Boss5.0 iron big bore stroker

What makes you say that?

It was a better balance. You could get into the throlttle without breaking the tires loose, much better for road racing and sporty driving in general. The current power level keeps it sideways too much. It's even hard to get it to hook for drag racing.