Front and rear braided brake hoses

[Red Rum]

Hey I am wondering. If there any companies that sell front and rear braided brake hoses. For 03 to 04 Mercury Marauder's. I have looked all over. And can't seem to find any. Any help on where to get a set. Would be greatly appreciated. Thanks alot !

[Zack]

Look in the vendor section, the only guy who offers brake parts.

[Red Rum]

Thank Zack.

[Spectragod]

Todd @TCE, has lines and brake kits

[martyo]

Look in the vendor section, the only guy who offers brake parts.

It will have taken 12 less key strikes to just give him Todd's information. :flamer:

[justbob]

It will have taken 12 less key strikes to just give him Todd's information. :flamer:


It would have taken even less effort to just google. [emoji12]

As for the lines it depends on your mileage..


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[Lowndex]

My engine is broken, so my mileage is zero.

[rauder88]

It would have taken even less effort to just google. [emoji12]

As for the lines it depends on your mileage..


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Only Marauders over 11k original miles will benefit from braided lines :lol:

[Lowndex]

Warning: Do not buy the TCE Plus 1 or 2 kits. The rotors, which are not Wilwood made, were not designed to handle to weight of the Marauder / heat transfer is inadequate. Your rotors will warp quickly.

Many of the members have experienced this problem.

[MOTOWN]

Warning: Do not buy the TCE Plus 1 or 2 kits. The rotors, which are not Wilwood made, were not designed to handle to weight of the Marauder / heat transfer is inadequate. Your rotors will warp quickly.

Many of the members have experienced this problem.

:bs::censor: How would you know??? Do you even own a TCE kit? There are many members who run the TCE Kits and have no problems whatsoever!
Dont post 100%:bs: you have absolutely no experience with!

[Lowndex]

:bs::censor: How would you know??? Do you even own a TCE kit? There are many members who run the TCE Kits and have no problems whatsoever!
Dont post 100%:bs: you have absolutely no experience with!

Yes, I own both the Plus 1 and 2. Also, I have replaced front and rear rotors multiple times.

And there are many members who run TCE kits who have experienced the warped rotor problems I shared. Buyer beware!

P.S.: Assume positive intent before you rush to judge others.

[MOTOWN]

Yes, I own both the Plus 1 and 2. Also, I have replaced front and rear rotors multiple times.

And there are many members who run TCE kits who have experienced the warped rotor problems I shared. Buyer beware!

P.S.: Assume positive intent before you rush to judge others.

LMAO! REALLY you honestly need to take your own advice! :shake: if Todds brake kits were no good i would be the first to say so!
Perhaps you should have let Baer brakes inspect the kit, then have taken to Midas brakes for the install, only if Brembo brakes approved.

[Lowndex]

LMAO! REALLY you honestly need to take your own advice! :shake: if Todds brake kits were no good i would be the first to say so!
Perhaps you should have let Baer brakes inspect the kit, then have taken to Midas brakes for the install, only if Brembo brakes approved.


This debate is old and waged previously on other threads. We disagree. Move on.

[O's Fan Rich]

OP was asking about braided lines.... the extrapolation to the brake kits was an interesting insight into thought process.

[Lowndex]

OP was asking about braided lines.... the extrapolation to the brake kits was an interesting insight into thought process.

As OP shops for brake lines, he may consider other parts. The intent was to share an opinion; not a fact. Example: I hear Dennis Reinhardt sells Marauder parts,.........

How many who would say, stay away from Dennis? Most all. I was doing the same. I consider TCE Performance to be a bad vendor - does not stand behind their product. I respect others feel differently. I ask the same toward my opinion.

[MOTOWN]

This debate is old and waged previously on other threads. Im clueless, we disagree. Move on.

Fixed it for you! :coolman:

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

Warning: Do not buy the TCE Plus 1 or 2 kits. The rotors, which are not Wilwood made, were not designed to handle to weight of the Marauder / heat transfer is inadequate. Your rotors will warp quickly.

Many of the members have experienced this problem.

Doesn't this go back to the break-in process required for them to not warp?

[lifespeed]

Doesn't this go back to the break-in process required for them to not warp?

No. at least 10 characters.

[lifespeed]

I consider TCE Performance to be a bad vendor - does not stand behind their product. I respect others feel differently. I ask the same toward my opinion.

I would be a bit more charitable. Marauder owners clamored for a brake kit that fit behind stock wheels. Nobody wanted to change the wheels. Within those constraints, TCE supplied a kit. Lowndex is 100% correct, the kits do not hold up.

When requested, Todd did supply a kit with a larger Aero6 caliper and thicker rotor that (I hope) will prove much more robust. Time will tell. It requires replacing the wheel or spacing (and widening to maintain offset) the stock wheel. A bigger undertaking that many members did not want to deal with, despite the adverse consequences associated with undersized pads, calipers and thin rotors.

That said, I, as well as others, encountered a fair amount of denial from TCE about the poor wear performance of the kits. There was finger pointing and comments about "driving style" which I did not find credible.

[MOTOWN]

Let's be honest, there were a total of 3 people who had problems, im not saying they weren't legitimate, but look at all the other members who are 100% satisfied with the very kits! How do you explain that?

[lifespeed]

LMAO! REALLY you honestly need to take your own advice! :shake: if Todds brake kits were no good i would be the first to say so!

You bought the Aero6 kit with 1.25" thick rotors. The FNSL6R kit with 1.1" rotors is a pad-and-rotor eating repetitive brake job pedal-pulsing steering-wheel-shaking maintenance nightmare.

[lifespeed]

Let's be honest, there were a total of 3 people who had problems, im not saying they weren't legitimate, but look at all the other members who are 100% satisfied with the very kits! How do you explain that?

I can only explain my own experiences. It will be interesting to see how the Aero6 kit fares. I've got a feeling it isn't going to need brake jobs every 7K miles (or less). That is all the proof I need.

Edit: In the world of product reliability 3 customers (I suspect there were actually more) out of a small group of Marauder owners is a trend.

[MOTOWN]

I've got 2K miles on my Aero kit , im more than pleased with it , my only complaint is the brake dust, hopefully your pads maybe a future option.

[fastblackmerc]

I have over 30K on my TCE upgraded kit (stock wheels). I followed Todd's bedding instructions. I am 1000% satisfied with the longevity and stopping power. I would not hesitate to buy the same kit again. This is the top 5 upgrades you would do to any Marauder!

BTW.... this kit's stopping power has pulled my bacon out of the fire many times.....

[Lowndex]

I vote Zach for President!

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=94024&highlight=big+brakes

[lifespeed]

I vote Zach for President!

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=94024&highlight=big+brakes

A viable alternative and great effort by members, especially if you are unwilling to do anything to the wheels, which is another discussion. But they are floating calipers. Still better than stock, which isn't saying a whole lot. Long-term results would be interesting.

I can't help but notice that all decent performance cars are sporting fixed calipers.

Edit: I'm not sure if the replacement front caliper piston area was ever checked to ensure front/rear brake balance resulted. Don't think I ever saw that mentioned in the very long thread.

[MOTOWN]

Its basically a copy cat Baer kit which is much improved over the stock brakes, but a far cry from the Willwoods as well, having had both kits on my car , another reason for me is that you can do Willwoods on all four corners, not an option with Baer , i even called and talked to the product line management, he had no interest in a rear kit , saying they barely sold many front kits.

[lifespeed]

Its basically a copy cat Baer kit which is much improved over the stock brakes, but a far cry from the Willwoods as well, having had both kits on my car , another reason for me is that you can do Willwoods on all four corners, not an option with Baer , i even called and talked to the product line management, he had no interest in a rear kit , saying they barely sold many front kits.

I guess that is the difference between fixed and floating calipers. For them it's a business. If it doesn't make money, forget it. For us it is a hobby unsupported by the aftermarket. I guess we're lucky Todd will bother to answer our phone calls at all. As annoying as it was to spend big bucks on a FNSL6R kit that didn't work well, I know my only other option is to build it myself. Which I am currently doing for the 9" rear end ABS tone rings. It is a colossal PITA, if I could have bought them for $500 each I would do it.

[Spectragod]

Let's be honest, there were a total of 3 people who had problems, im not saying they weren't legitimate, but look at all the other members who are 100% satisfied with the very kits! How do you explain that?

-0- problems with my Wilwood kit, both front and rear, but I don't DD it or beat the snot out of it.

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

Aero 6 with 15" rotors is on my to do list. Have to research aftermarket wheels. Wonder if the '15+ PP Mustang rotors fit. Hmm.

[fastblackmerc]

TCE's Marauder stuff:

http://www.tceperformanceproducts.com/marauder/kits-17/

[lifespeed]

Aero 6 with 15" rotors is on my to do list. Have to research aftermarket wheels. Wonder if the '15+ PP Mustang rotors fit. Hmm.

Here is one wheel option (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=95872) that keeps with the Marauder theme.

[Lowndex]

Its basically a copy cat Baer kit which is much improved over the stock brakes, but a far cry from the Willwoods as well, having had both kits on my car , another reason for me is that you can do Willwoods on all four corners, not an option with Baer , i even called and talked to the product line management, he had no interest in a rear kit , saying they barely sold many front kits.

Thank you for looking into the issue.

[Lowndex]

I think it's time to move to 20" wheels and tires. Too much frustration with 18" wheel clearance.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/540/7uqH5n.png (https://imageshack.com/i/f07uqH5np)

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

Here is one wheel option (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=95872) that keeps with the Marauder theme.

I think that wheel looks good on your car, although a bit too blingy for a black car IMO.

Did you happen to get any sizing or dimensions documentation regarding the 15" aero 6 kit? Not that inner wheel clearance is a usual included wheel specification, but maybe will help when researching.

[Lowndex]

I think that wheel looks good on your car, although a bit too blingy for a black car IMO.

Did you happen to get any sizing or dimensions documentation regarding the 15" aero 6 kit? Not that inner wheel clearance is a usual included wheel specification, but maybe will help when researching.

I own a 2004 Silver Birch; not black.

At this time, I have no intention of buying TCE Performance products.

Going to 20" wheels and tires has several advantages:
* more tire to the ground
* more wheel and tires choices
* more brake choices

Of course the con is $ to change to 20" is significant.

[MOTOWN]

I own a 2004 Silver Birch; not black.

At this time, I have no intention of buying TCE Performance products.

Going to 20" wheels and tires has several advantages:
* more tire to the ground
* more wheel and tires choices
* more brake choices

Of course the con is $ to change to 20" is significant.

You do realize he was talking to Lifespeed, and not you correct :confused:

[O's Fan Rich]

At this time, I have no intention of buying TCE Performance products.


You'll miss out on the SS brake lines.

[SteelQualityMan]

I have over 30K on my TCE upgraded kit (stock wheels). I followed Todd's bedding instructions. I am 1000% satisfied with the longevity and stopping power. I would not hesitate to buy the same kit again. This is the top 5 upgrades you would do to any Marauder!

BTW.... this kit's stopping power has pulled my bacon out of the fire many times.....
What fastblackmerc said, 100%


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[RubberCtyRauder]

I think it's time to move to 20" wheels and tires. Too much frustration with 18" wheel clearance.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/540/7uqH5n.png (https://imageshack.com/i/f07uqH5np)

Those are not marauder wheels , thus the issue with fit

[tbone]

How about a hydraulic brake booster? I know it won't help for track use (which no one seems to do) because the brakes would overheat quickly, but for DD and 1/4 mile stops, I think it would help a lot.

It seems to me like the Marauder just doesn't have enough vacuum assist in the setup. My slotted/drilled rotors and Monroe ceramic pads helped a lot though.

[MOTOWN]

How about a hydraulic brake booster? I know it won't help for track use (which no one seems to do) because the brakes would overheat quickly, but for DD and 1/4 mile stops, I think it would help a lot.

It seems to me like the Marauder just doesn't have enough vacuum assist in the setup. My slotted/drilled rotors and Monroe ceramic pads helped a lot though.

If it didn’thave enough vacuum aftermarket brakes wouldn't make such a profound difference, and a factory Marauder motor has about 20hg of vacuum which is more than sufficient for the brake booster.

[Todd TCE]

The exact same 13.1" rotor has not only won One Lap of America but the only to win an Optima event and compete with the folks in Vegas.

Doug pays a few bucks less, replaces then every couple years, and runs race pads on them from 160mph. Should be ample petegre for even a heavier car driving to work. I assure everyone there's nothing wrong with them.


www.optimabatteries.com/en-us/experience/power-source/optimas-search-ultimate-street-car-gtl-points-chase-post-pikes-peak/

[Lowndex]

You do realize he was talking to Lifespeed, and not you correct :confused:

No.

My error. My busted left foot is keeping me up at night. Foggy brain.

[Lowndex]

You'll miss out on the SS brake lines.

Do they stop rotor warping?

[tbone]

If it didn’thave enough vacuum aftermarket brakes wouldn't make such a profound difference, and a factory Marauder motor has about 20hg of vacuum which is more than sufficient for the brake booster.


More boost is better on the stock brake setup, I would think. Factory Marauder brakes are weak at best.

[MOTOWN]

More boost is better on the stock brake setup, I would think. Factory Marauder brakes are weak at best.

Absolutely wrong , again thats not the issue, the problem is the oem brake calipers, and the spongy factory brake lines , and again i ask you if the brake booster is the problem why no issues with the aftermarket brake kits:confused:

[lifespeed]

At this time, I have no intention of buying TCE Performance products.

You're only other option is to fabricate your own big brake kit, or pay somebody to do it. You can guess what that will cost and falls into the category of re-inventing the wheel. I understand your frustration with the small TCE kits and the vendor. But you may be getting into a situation of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Like yourself, I do not agree with Todd the smaller kits are sufficient. However, he did design a kit for the larger caliper and rotor after hearing our complaints, which both Motown and myself have installed. I had severe problems with the small kit's wear and pad transfer issues (also called rotor warping).

So if the larger kit solves the problem I will have solid before/after evidence over the next several months to a year. I don't think Motown has had any issues, but I don't think he had the Wilwood FNSL6R before to thoroughly prove the before/after.

[lifespeed]

More boost is better on the stock brake setup, I would think. Factory Marauder brakes are weak at best.

The factory brakes are weak, but it is not a booster problem. The pedal effort is somewhat high, but decreasing pedal effort won't do anything for thermal capacity, stopping power, etc.

The decreased piston area of the TCE kits (in the front) does provide a little more hydraulic advantage and decreases pedal effort, but again, this is a secondary effect and is not what provides the braking improvement.

[Lowndex]

You're only other option is to fabricate your own big brake kit, or pay somebody to do it. You can guess what that will cost and falls into the category of re-inventing the wheel. I understand your frustration with the small TCE kits and the vendor. But you may be getting into a situation of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Like yourself, I do not agree with Todd the smaller kits are sufficient. However, he did design a kit for the larger caliper and rotor after hearing our complaints, which both Motown and myself have installed. I had severe problems with the small kit's wear and pad transfer issues (also called rotor warping).

So if the larger kit solves the problem I will have solid before/after evidence over the next several months to a year. I don't think Motown has had any issues, but I don't think he had the Wilwood FNSL6R before to thoroughly prove the before/after.


Word well worth consideration.

[tbone]

Absolutely wrong , again thats not the issue, the problem is the oem brake calipers, and the spongy factory brake lines , and again i ask you if the brake booster is the problem why no issues with the aftermarket brake kits:confused:

Why does everything seem to piss you off? :confused:

If the power steering effort can be boosted up or down, why not the brakes? Plus I saw they did this mod on one of the car shows and it fixed weak brakes.
No other mods were done.

[MOTOWN]

Why does everything seem to piss you off? :confused:

If the power steering effort can be boosted up or down, why not the brakes? Plus I saw they did this mod on one of the car shows and it fixed weak brakes.
No other mods were done.

Ahhhh yes since your absolutely incorrect in your thoughts, your going to try the you mad bro approach :confused::confused: lol ummm yeah ok.

[MOTOWN]

Hey i saw on a car show where they pulled a rust bucket out of a barn , and built it in 1hour plus paint and body work guess we should be able to do that too huh? LMAO!

[tbone]

Read the entire thread dude. Angry.

Fantomworks did the hydraulic brake mod. I think it was on a 67 GTO. Watch it.

[Todd TCE]

A couple of you have ordered hose kit, thank you, they will mail out on Wednesday when I get back from CO.

[tbone]

This was the car. I'm pretty sure they are the experts and didn't repair the car in 1 hour.

http://fantomworks.com/project/1967-pontiac-gto-2/

[MOTOWN]

This was the car. I'm pretty sure they are the experts and didn't repair the car in 1 hour.

http://fantomworks.com/project/1967-pontiac-gto-2/

Just let it go bud! Its a nice day out, go enjoy it.

[tbone]

See post #53. Full of angry. Let me know when you watch the program.

[justbob]

How about a hydraulic brake booster? I know it won't help for track use (which no one seems to do) because the brakes would overheat quickly, but for DD and 1/4 mile stops, I think it would help a lot.

It seems to me like the Marauder just doesn't have enough vacuum assist in the setup. My slotted/drilled rotors and Monroe ceramic pads helped a lot though.


I might be doing a hydroboost swap but only for space to squeeze the new mammoth clutch master up beside it and under the hood opposed to the old tiny factory one under the dash.

Other than that, I still swear my car no longer needs big brakes as I always downshift anymore anyhow, sometimes not even really using the brake but enough to activate the brake lights.

I didn't think they were all that bad with the automatic, now the car squats and stops stupid quick!

Some of you really need to drive a fully loaded truck or van all week like I do. Then you'll realize just how good your cars really are!


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[chief455]

This was the car. I'm pretty sure they are the experts and didn't repair the car in 1 hour.

http://fantomworks.com/project/1967-pontiac-gto-2/

Poncho's forever! NICE!


brake discussion = carry on.

[fordnut02]

Are these a Direct Fit , No modification

[RubberCtyRauder]

Are these a Direct Fit , No modification

the lines from Todd @ TCE are direct fit, swap, bleed system and go

[tbone]

Finally saw the rerun.

Fantomworks Season 2 Episode 9 "Speed and Style"
@ 42 minute mark they decide to Hydroboost the GTO due to stock vacuum boost being insufficient to stop the beast. Nothing wrong with the rotors, calipers, lines, etc. Completely transformed the brake system.

Just FYI. It pays to keep an open mind. And to watch car repair shows.

[fastblackmerc]

Are these a Direct Fit , No modification

Direct fit. Just get them "clocked" correctly so they don"t rub. I gravity bled mine.

[lifespeed]

Finally saw the rerun.

Fantomworks Season 2 Episode 9 "Speed and Style"
@ 42 minute mark they decide to Hydroboost the GTO due to stock vacuum boost being insufficient to stop the beast. Nothing wrong with the rotors, calipers, lines, etc. Completely transformed the brake system.

Just FYI. It pays to keep an open mind. And to watch car repair shows.

It doesn't hurt to turn a wrench, install upgraded performance components and make objective A/B comparisons from real-world experience either.

[tbone]

It doesn't hurt to turn a wrench, install upgraded performance components and make objective A/B comparisons from real-world experience either.


I "turn my own wrenches". I also research my projects before I start tearing sh** up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgQW8QeeMhg

Any questions?

[lifespeed]

I "turn my own wrenches". I also research my projects before I start tearing sh** up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgQW8QeeMhg

Any questions?

If I have any supercharger questions I'll ask you. Still not quite following how someone who thinks research and learning from others experience is a good idea arrived at the conclusion that stock Marauder brakes are OK and just need more hydraulic pressure. :confused:

You don't seem to be taking your own advice regarding research when it comes to brakes. It is common knowledge that fixed calipers are the only acceptable performance brakes. Perhaps you've noticed that nearly all decent performance cars use them: BMW, Cadillac, Mercedes, even the high-end Mustangs and Camaros.

But go ahead and try it out your hydraulic booster idea on stock brakes. We can compare stopping distances afterwards, numbers don't lie.

Edit: Did your research also inform you that brake bias should be shifted rearward relative to stock as the factory configuration is always biased towards the front so they lock up first? What will your hydraulic booster do to address brake bias?

Brake upgrades are the simplest of bolt-ons, there is no "tearing stuff up". Specification of the right parts combination is not as simple, but we have the Marauder recipe.

[tbone]

I said it was possibly a solution. It was offered as an alternative. Read post #41. Where did I say it was THE solution? Sorry you are so close minded and won't even consider new ideas.
The list of mods, repairs and refurbishments done to my car by (mostly) my own hands dwarfs yours, so don't sit there and act like you are the last word on anything Marauder. I don't pretend to be.

[Spectragod]

So if you go with the hydraulic booster, and don't change brake bias, how will that affect the pinion angle upon hard braking?

[tbone]

I also only said it may help, just like with the GTO. Never did I imply it would be as good as a Wilwood or other fancy, overpriced brake system.

Write Fantomworks or the hydroboost system manufacturer with your question about brake distribution. I'm quite sure they will clear it up for you.

[MOTOWN]

Wilwoods aren't overpriced , and are probably the cheapest real big brake kit on the market , try pricing Brembos , Alcons , or other similar kits.