Ha that's where I got the numbers from. In fact, I think YOU gave me that document some years ago!
Do you happen to have that same doc for the crown vic? Would love to see if there's any number differences.
Ha that's where I got the numbers from. In fact, I think YOU gave me that document some years ago!
Do you happen to have that same doc for the crown vic? Would love to see if there's any number differences.
2004 Silver Birch w/moonroof. "Isabelle"
Eaton swapped summer/fall 2015 with all the gooddies, tune by the one-and-only Marty-O +2psi pulley, Steigemeyer stage 6 port, SWLT, custom ss exhaust, Borla ProXS, Addco sway bars, TCE s/s brake hoses, Hawk HPS pads, Zack big brak kit, J-mod, battery in trunk, full custom audio (never used, blower whine sounds better)
To do list:
HID headlights, LED interior/exterior, courtesy "3-flash" turn signals, widen wheels, rear deck wing, marauder stencil on cmhsl? bumper cover inserts? deck lid, steering whee, hood liner godshead, more power!
The part number for the Crown Victorias is the same as that for the Grand Marquis - 3W1Z-3504-FAPRMdmjarosz ...Do you happen to have that same doc for the crown vic? Would love to see if there's any number differences.
As for the same doc for the crown vic ...
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1957 Custom 2 dr Sedan, 1979 F-series 14' U-Haul 330 XD, 1979 F150 4X4 428 PI/CJ heads/NP 435/4:11 axles-rear Det. Lkr., 1993 Grand Marquis, Y2K CVPI supercharged 5.4, 2003 MM
The more I learn, the more I find out I don't know.
Confusion will be my epitaph...
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Stated in the info section:
Total Turns Lock To Lock 3
Even though it will physically fit and will probably function properly, its not the correct Marauder lock-to-lock turns of 2.81
I'm hunting for a true Marauder replacement, though that might be a pipe dream these days...
2004 Silver Birch w/moonroof. "Isabelle"
Eaton swapped summer/fall 2015 with all the gooddies, tune by the one-and-only Marty-O +2psi pulley, Steigemeyer stage 6 port, SWLT, custom ss exhaust, Borla ProXS, Addco sway bars, TCE s/s brake hoses, Hawk HPS pads, Zack big brak kit, J-mod, battery in trunk, full custom audio (never used, blower whine sounds better)
To do list:
HID headlights, LED interior/exterior, courtesy "3-flash" turn signals, widen wheels, rear deck wing, marauder stencil on cmhsl? bumper cover inserts? deck lid, steering whee, hood liner godshead, more power!
[QUOTE Stated in the info section:
Even though it will physically fit and will probably function properly, its not the correct Marauder lock-to-lock turns of 2.81
Total Turns Lock To Lock 3
I'm hunting for a true Marauder replacement, though that might be a pipe dream these days...[/QUOTE]
Pipe dream indeed! The rack & pinion assembly application is for ONLY a 2003 or 2004 Marauder, and 2.81 is rounded off to 3. Do you seriously think you could even tell the .19 difference between the stated specs (IF the numbers were not rounded off)? On a Marauder 15" steering wheel, that is about a 2" difference on the outside diameter of the steering wheel.
1957 Custom 2 dr Sedan, 1979 F-series 14' U-Haul 330 XD, 1979 F150 4X4 428 PI/CJ heads/NP 435/4:11 axles-rear Det. Lkr., 1993 Grand Marquis, Y2K CVPI supercharged 5.4, 2003 MM
The more I learn, the more I find out I don't know.
Confusion will be my epitaph...
Home of the Berserker Marauder, one of the ancient Norse warriors legendary for working themselves into a frenzy before a battle and fighting with reckless savagery and insane fury, held to be invulnerable...shirtless regardless of wounds...(possibly due to ingestion of psychotropic and hallucinatory drugs such as Fly Agaric Mushrooms)...
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Pipe dream indeed! The rack & pinion assembly application is for ONLY a 2003 or 2004 Marauder, and 2.81 is rounded off to 3. Do you seriously think you could even tell the .19 difference between the stated specs (IF the numbers were not rounded off)? On a Marauder 15" steering wheel, that is about a 2" difference on the outside diameter of the steering wheel.[/QUOTE]
Actually yes he could.
It isn't about the lock to lock numbers, they just identify a sports steering ratio from standard.
Putting the 3.0 in a Marauder would be liker putting a Caprice steering box in a Camaro, or a Lincoln steering box in a Mustang.
It's all about steering response time for handling.
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Actually yes he could.
It isn't about the lock to lock numbers, they just identify a sports steering ratio from standard.
Putting the 3.0 in a Marauder would be liker putting a Caprice steering box in a Camaro, or a Lincoln steering box in a Mustang.
It's all about steering response time for handling.[/QUOTE]
So, you know for a fact that they did not round off 2.81 to 3? You are saying that they are not Marauder spec. r&p's? Are you saying they are not variable ratio r&p's? He "made it" about "lock to lock" numbers. Are you aware that the Marauder has a variable "sports" steering ratio?
1957 Custom 2 dr Sedan, 1979 F-series 14' U-Haul 330 XD, 1979 F150 4X4 428 PI/CJ heads/NP 435/4:11 axles-rear Det. Lkr., 1993 Grand Marquis, Y2K CVPI supercharged 5.4, 2003 MM
The more I learn, the more I find out I don't know.
Confusion will be my epitaph...
Home of the Berserker Marauder, one of the ancient Norse warriors legendary for working themselves into a frenzy before a battle and fighting with reckless savagery and insane fury, held to be invulnerable...shirtless regardless of wounds...(possibly due to ingestion of psychotropic and hallucinatory drugs such as Fly Agaric Mushrooms)...
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So, you know for a fact that they did not round off 2.81 to 3? You are saying that they are not Marauder spec. r&p's? Are you saying they are not variable ratio r&p's? He "made it" about "lock to lock" numbers. Are you aware that the Marauder has a variable "sports" steering ratio?[/QUOTE]
No, I've never researched i. but when it comes to auto parts they would never round off a number combined with FOMOCO having different part numbers for them would lead me to believe they are different. I know driving my MM the steering is much more responsive than a GM.
WLB
BB#1) 1996 ImpalaSS - 16,500 miles - 100% stock
______________________________ ___________
BB#2) 2003 Marauder (300a) - 34k miles - Daily Driver
#2912 of 7093
Conceived 8/6/2002
Delivered 9/19/2002
Adopted 8/10/2011
Trilogy 242 - Self Installed 9/9/12 (0-60 5.5 sec)
Pioneer 6x8 Front
Legacy 600w 6x9 Rears
JL 6.5 SubWoofer
K&N CAI
Window tint 50% rear/35% front
FBM CHMSL with Strobe mod 7/1/12
DR Deep Aluminum Trans Pan
Sparta FOMOCO Racing 8.8 Girdle
Mo's Dyno Tune
Gorilla Nuts - The System
Ford Racing 4.10s, 31 spline Cobra carrier & axles 7/1/12
Powder Coat Axle Housing 7/1/12
CME HP Rear Control Arms & Watts Link 7/1/12
______________________________ ________________
Rex "SC Cheesehead" Weinbender 11-14-13
Ed "Baaad GN" Linthicum 8-6-2014
The Marauder R&P is different from the CV/GM part. I ordered one at O'Reilley and it works perfect. BTW, mine wasn't worn out, the housing broke when the car slipped off a jack. Yes, I was improperly jacking the car at the crossmember and the jack was too close to the edge. Slipped off and PS fluid went everywhere. They accepted the broken one for the core charge, too.
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I'm positive they didn't round off. While I don't know exactly, mine is between 2-3/4 and 2-7/8 turns. If you put a small piece of tape at 12-o'clock while at one extreme, you can easily differentiate in 1/8 turn increments. I did the same in two friends' GM and CV and both are exactly 3 turns.
Ha, not meaning to muddy the waters even more but I found a "limousine package" application for a steering rack but could not find any specifics on what Ford included in that package. My gut hunch would be different variable assist configuration and possibly longer rack travel to help with turning radius on a longer vehicle? I really have no clue but hey, there are no bad ideas in brainstorming!
I believe the "variable sports steering ratio" you are referring to is the EVO (electronic variable orifice) that, when commanded open, allows steering fluid to bypass the steering gear, providing the driver with lower steering assist as highway speeds. I thiiink the valve itself is also specific to the Marauder as well and I know its not sold as a separate part. God forbid mine ever goes bad and i have to custom manufacture custom one...
I've also yet to hear back from Rack Doctor and I will try again. I told them about the different ratios and EVO valving and asked if they will rebuild my own rack so i know I'm getting the same internals back.
2004 Silver Birch w/moonroof. "Isabelle"
Eaton swapped summer/fall 2015 with all the gooddies, tune by the one-and-only Marty-O +2psi pulley, Steigemeyer stage 6 port, SWLT, custom ss exhaust, Borla ProXS, Addco sway bars, TCE s/s brake hoses, Hawk HPS pads, Zack big brak kit, J-mod, battery in trunk, full custom audio (never used, blower whine sounds better)
To do list:
HID headlights, LED interior/exterior, courtesy "3-flash" turn signals, widen wheels, rear deck wing, marauder stencil on cmhsl? bumper cover inserts? deck lid, steering whee, hood liner godshead, more power!
Long long ago I had read a post (probably on MotorCityMarauders) about Steve Babcock talking about using a "limo" steering rack (he may have even said gear if this was on the original prototype) to test a quicker ratio steering setup, but decided not to go with it because they were afraid of old people over-inputting and spinning out.
I was always under the assumption the only difference between a CV and MM rack was the level of variable assist. If you end up proving otherwise that the Marauder does indeed have a slightly quicker (although IMO still not quite quick enough) rack ratio, that'd be quite a find so many years after these cars were made.
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I purchase a rebuilt unit for my Black from a guy in Florida off of car-parts.com with lifetime warranty.
Used his rack and replaced everything else with the stuff from my car.
Still no problem after 2 years.
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I was told the electrical connection is different in the Marauder then the GM or CV.
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