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  1. #16
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    Alright boys, i was able to get the car home. Wires 10 and 12 need ro be connected ro bypass the DTR sensor to allow the car to start. Also, the pcm MUST be connected with the starter relay circuit, including the quick 6 as the manual states. My connection was *****y so it took me a while to narrow this down.


    https://youtu.be/dToRJL62om0

    So i have some issues:

    Right now i am in the process of figuring out how to wire the reverse lights. As of now on the DTR sensor, i have pins 9, 11, and the quick 6 box connected and reverse lights are on all the time, key on. I tried hooking 11 straight to the controller box but it did not work. Next i will hook 9 direct to the controller box and see what happens.

    I am also gwtting a prndl out of range error which i assume is the shoddy trans selector lever. The new PBH lever will be here tomorrow.

    Also, does anyone know where i need to plug this box into to get my speedometer to work?

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  2. #17
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    I think i should be hooking to either pin 68 on the pcm, or to the OSS on the transmission harness. More to follow.

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    2003 Marauder 300A
    #2928 of 7838
    Build date: 8/6/02
    Ship date: 5/28/03
    14.33 @ 96.82 with OLD engine
    6R80 swap in progress

    1968 Chevelle
    NA/Pump Gas 10.4 @ 128 mph
    416/4L85E LSA Supercharged build underway

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    Quote Originally Posted by 376shovel View Post
    I think i should be hooking to either pin 68 on the pcm, or to the OSS on the transmission harness. More to follow.

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    Pin 68 was the answer. After entering a correction factor of 0.065 in the tuning software, my car speedometer reads perfectly.

    I temporarily rigged a bracket, because i am impatient, to give me park reverse and drive, for today only. Ive been driving the car around for a few hours tuning shift points and the torque converter.

    Manutronic mode does not work yet...i will check the wiring again.

    When i go wot, i bounce off the limiter, and it's like the car is in neutral, until it shifts. I think it is a problem in the programming. Part throttle the car drives FANTASTIC. It feels so much more stout. I will continue to work issues and update this post.

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    #2928 of 7838
    Build date: 8/6/02
    Ship date: 5/28/03
    14.33 @ 96.82 with OLD engine
    6R80 swap in progress

    1968 Chevelle
    NA/Pump Gas 10.4 @ 128 mph
    416/4L85E LSA Supercharged build underway

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    I’ll see if I can dig up my notes from my manual swap. I know I had to pretty much make my own trans harness to get the car to start, reverse lights, speed sensor, and in my case reverse lock out feature along with 8 trans codes.


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    This is the transmission harness notes from my manual swap for the 300A, not sure if anything changed.

    Circuit Wire Circuit Ending Marauder Trans Marauder Marauder Ending Marauder Ending Notes
    Number Color Description Connector Location Connector Pin Number Connector Pin Number
    262 BN/PK Starter Relay, Output (Voltage Supplied In Start) Starter Relay (DTR) C1221 1 C167 12
    126 VT/YE Torque Converter Clutch (TCC) Solenoid Automatic Transmission C1221 2 C1274 2
    390 TN/YE HEGO #22 Heater HEGO #22 C1221 3 C141 2
    237 OG/YE Shift Solenoid A Automatic Transmission C1221 4 C1274 7
    925 WH/YE Electronic Pressure Control (EPC) Solenoid (Auto) Automatic Transmission C1221 5 C1274 6
    388 YE/LB HEGO #21 Heater HEGO #21 C1221 6 C172 2
    94 RD/BK HEGO #21 Input HEGO #21 C1221 7 C172 4
    389 WH/BK HEGO #12 Heater HEGO #12 C1221 8 C142 2
    392 RD/LG HEGO #12 Input HEGO #12 C1221 9 C142 4
    393 VT/LG HEGO #22 Input HEGO#22 C1221 10 C141 4
    C1221 11
    199 LB/YE Digital Transmission Range Sensor - TR3A Automatic Transmission (DTR) C1221 12 C167 3
    136 DB/YE Output Shaft Speed (OSS) sensor (7H103) Output Shaft Speed Sensor C1221 13 C1107 2
    315 VT/OG Shift Solenoid B Automatic Transmission C1221 14 C1274 8
    923 OG/BK Transmission Fluid Temp (TFT) sensor, input (Auto) Automatic Transmission C1221 15 C1274 5
    359 GY/RD Signal Return Various C1221 16 C141, 142, C172, C167, C1107, C1274 3, 3, 3, 2, 1, 3
    33 WH/PK Hot in Start & Clutch Depressed/Park Starter Relay C133 1 C167 10
    140 BK/PK Voltage Supplied In Reverse Reverse Lamps (DTR) C133 2 C167 11
    1143 WH/BK Digital Transmission Range Sensor - TR4 Automatic Transmission (DTR) C133 3 C167 6
    1144 YE/BK Digital Transmission Range Sensor - TR1 Automatic Transmission (DTR) C133 4 C167 4
    C133 5
    391 RD/YE Voltage Supplied in Start and Run, Overload Protected Various C133 6 C141, C142, C172, C1274` 1, 1, 1, 1
    298 VT/OG Voltage In Run (Overload Protected) Automatic Transmission C133 7 C167 9
    1145 LB/BK Digital Transmission Range Sensor - TR2 Automatic Transmission (DTR) C133 8 C167 5
    295 LB/PK Voltage In Run (Overload Protected) Automatic Transmission Source wire to Circuit 298 C133 Pin7
    361 RD Hot in Start and Run, Overload Protected Various Marauder Specific Incoming C1221 Pin10
    387 RD/WH HEGO #11 Heater HEGO #11 Separate Right Bank O2 Connector

  6. #21
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    Thanks guys i will dig into it more tomorrow. I found out my rpm issue. My tune file had my neutral rpm limit set to 5000. The car thinks im in neutral so that is the rpm it was going off of. Marty edited that part of the tune and bam. Im now shifting at 6400 rpm with no hitting the rev limiter. It feels super strong now!

    Tomorrow i will put on the new shift lever, and hopefully solve the reverse lights as well as the manutronic mode. I should be back to daily driving this thing very soon. This swap has been some long hours but way worth it. The trans shifts firm and i have complete control over everything in it. I will be playing with locking up the converter in wot at the track hopefully this fall.

    I will give u guys some videos at some point once i iron out on the little stuff.

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    14.33 @ 96.82 with OLD engine
    6R80 swap in progress

    1968 Chevelle
    NA/Pump Gas 10.4 @ 128 mph
    416/4L85E LSA Supercharged build underway

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    Glad we could help!!!

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    Alright boys here's an update:

    Reverse lights work, they needed to be wired to pin 11 on the DTR connector. Manutronic now works, i needed to take the cover off the quick 6 and remove the factory installed jumper from pin 5.

    The PBH bracket DOES NOT WORK for this shifter cable setup. It is too short. The bracket that i got with the transmission is clearly a pbh shifter bracket modified, however it is too long. I will have to make my own bracket to reliably and consistently get each gear in the marauder shifter gates.

    Last, enjoy this WOT video from a 20 mph roll.

    https://youtu.be/2rWM5xDjTtI
    2003 Marauder 300A
    #2928 of 7838
    Build date: 8/6/02
    Ship date: 5/28/03
    14.33 @ 96.82 with OLD engine
    6R80 swap in progress

    1968 Chevelle
    NA/Pump Gas 10.4 @ 128 mph
    416/4L85E LSA Supercharged build underway

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    Quote Originally Posted by 376shovel View Post
    Alright boys here's an update:

    Reverse lights work, they needed to be wired to pin 11 on the DTR connector. Manutronic now works, i needed to take the cover off the quick 6 and remove the factory installed jumper from pin 5.

    The PBH bracket DOES NOT WORK for this shifter cable setup. It is too short. The bracket that i got with the transmission is clearly a pbh shifter bracket modified, however it is too long. I will have to make my own bracket to reliably and consistently get each gear in the marauder shifter gates.

    Last, enjoy this WOT video from a 20 mph roll.

    https://youtu.be/2rWM5xDjTtI
    Looks great!!

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    Nice work. Has me considering going to a 6R80 now.


    Joe
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    More to come

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    Today i attempted to make a longer trans shift lever and this attempt failed because the bracket hits the trans tunnel. I just ordered the pbh shifter cable hold bracket for an f150 trans, and i will be trying to reroute the shifter cable to have it come from the rear. I will let you know if i am successful with that.

    Also be advised the f150 torque converter is rated at 2200 stall speed, but that is for a 5500 lb vehicle. In my car, 1300 lb less, it seems to flash under 1500 rpm. I will be on the lookout for a stock mustang converter as they supposedly stall 2400-2700 in a 3600 lb car. Of course an aftermarket 3000 or so would be nice but there is no way im shelling out that kind of money for a converter right now.

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    Build date: 8/6/02
    Ship date: 5/28/03
    14.33 @ 96.82 with OLD engine
    6R80 swap in progress

    1968 Chevelle
    NA/Pump Gas 10.4 @ 128 mph
    416/4L85E LSA Supercharged build underway

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    Yoo, Mike I found you on here.
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    I'm told this can drgp et's by 1/2 second....
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    Quote Originally Posted by vkirkend View Post
    I'm told this can drgp et's by 1/2 second....
    We shall see here soon.



    Also, i just picked up an eaton m112...

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    #2928 of 7838
    Build date: 8/6/02
    Ship date: 5/28/03
    14.33 @ 96.82 with OLD engine
    6R80 swap in progress

    1968 Chevelle
    NA/Pump Gas 10.4 @ 128 mph
    416/4L85E LSA Supercharged build underway

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    Gents, I installed the f150 bracket from pbh. First let me first say I am NOT impressed with this bracket. It looks like it was hand made, and not very well. For a little bit of work someone could have cnc'd this piece and improved upon it greatly.

    Second, it did not fit as is. I needed to elongate the already slotted bolt holes to allow perfect adjustment on the shifter without creating a PRNDL out of range error on my controller.

    The end result is I have it working great now, but still. 100 bucks for 2 brackets... one of which was really crappy and needed to be modified... You decide.



    In other news I am quickly accumulating parts for an eaton swap. I only need brackets. An intake, and a 3.4ish pulley. I will be running this car at the track soon, so I will update you all with times NA. My buddy and I have an over under bet of 13.50 ET.

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    2003 Marauder 300A
    #2928 of 7838
    Build date: 8/6/02
    Ship date: 5/28/03
    14.33 @ 96.82 with OLD engine
    6R80 swap in progress

    1968 Chevelle
    NA/Pump Gas 10.4 @ 128 mph
    416/4L85E LSA Supercharged build underway

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