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    oil pan puzzle

    Hey Guys,
    I'm just not comfortable with the hole I punched and threaded in the front of my oil pan for the vortech supercharger drain back line. It just doesnt sit right with me as the connection is flimsy, sealed with RTV, and the kit from vortech brings the drain line very very close to the crankshaft pulley. Like 1/8 inch.
    So.. I want to get that pan out and
    1) Replace it with a stock pan, and get a solid bung welded in prior to reinstall, or
    2) Buy a custom pan with a bung already in it.

    Either way, the pan has to come out.
    So..my shop manual says to drop cross member 2...which is a real pain. Do-able, but the engine has to hang and all the control arms must be disconnected, plus other crap.

    Is there another way?

    Thanks
    -KK
    '03 Silver Birch. Stock rebuilt 4.L 32V DOHC, V7-JT blower w/ADTR racing supercharger kit, Shift kit in transmission, stainless works long pipes and cat backs, Ridetech coil-overs front, shocks in back (ADTR kit). Rebuilt calipers, upgraded front rotors, OEM Mercury wheels, [boost, oil P, WB fuel/air, and fuel pressure] gauges. Build duration was Dec 2019 to Mar 2022. 8 rib serp belt upgrade i/p.

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    You "feel" the difference because you want to "feel" the difference. Since you just spent money on the upgrade you "have" to feel the difference

    I'm looking to eliminate the double pump process I have to follow right now to get the pedal hard

    2004 300A Procharger #0010 D1X
    2003 300A Procharger #0017 D1SC (SOLD. Last I heard, it was in Washington State)

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    You "feel" the difference because you want to "feel" the difference. Since you just spent money on the upgrade you "have" to feel the difference

    I'm looking to eliminate the double pump process I have to follow right now to get the pedal hard

    2004 300A Procharger #0010 D1X
    2003 300A Procharger #0017 D1SC (SOLD. Last I heard, it was in Washington State)

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    Blazen,
    Yes, I know about the pan from Chris...it does look awesome :-)
    BUT...is there an easy way to get the pan out?
    I have a feeling I'm whining. :/

    FYI - going to Wisconsin this summer for some golf and to visit my daughter who lives near Madison.
    '03 Silver Birch. Stock rebuilt 4.L 32V DOHC, V7-JT blower w/ADTR racing supercharger kit, Shift kit in transmission, stainless works long pipes and cat backs, Ridetech coil-overs front, shocks in back (ADTR kit). Rebuilt calipers, upgraded front rotors, OEM Mercury wheels, [boost, oil P, WB fuel/air, and fuel pressure] gauges. Build duration was Dec 2019 to Mar 2022. 8 rib serp belt upgrade i/p.

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    I recc a bulkhead fitting in lieu of welding.
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    Yes, I will probably use a bulkhead fitting...still got to pull that pan.
    '03 Silver Birch. Stock rebuilt 4.L 32V DOHC, V7-JT blower w/ADTR racing supercharger kit, Shift kit in transmission, stainless works long pipes and cat backs, Ridetech coil-overs front, shocks in back (ADTR kit). Rebuilt calipers, upgraded front rotors, OEM Mercury wheels, [boost, oil P, WB fuel/air, and fuel pressure] gauges. Build duration was Dec 2019 to Mar 2022. 8 rib serp belt upgrade i/p.

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    Something like this?
    '03 Silver Birch. Stock rebuilt 4.L 32V DOHC, V7-JT blower w/ADTR racing supercharger kit, Shift kit in transmission, stainless works long pipes and cat backs, Ridetech coil-overs front, shocks in back (ADTR kit). Rebuilt calipers, upgraded front rotors, OEM Mercury wheels, [boost, oil P, WB fuel/air, and fuel pressure] gauges. Build duration was Dec 2019 to Mar 2022. 8 rib serp belt upgrade i/p.

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    I changed my pan in the fall of 2019. I guess it was not that bad as I don't remember much of the work. You really should get or rent an engine holder. I bought the OTC model which is nice. You do need the service manual for all the torque specs and pan tightening procedure as well as general procedures.

    Here is a thread just on the engine support. Most folks recommend not using the crank pulley as I did and bolting the chain to the engine

    https://www.mercurymarauder.net/foru...t=#post1582421
    03 MM, DBP, Charcoal, 6disk, HS, organizer, spoiler Mods: Z&M arms, Beamtech Led headlight bulbs, LED turns, ditch, tails, reverse & interior(blue), oil deflector, U-Hall Tranny pan. running stock size Cooper Zeon RS3-G1

    02 SL500 Silver Arrow - first aid kit delete, maybe for sale

    08 Town Car Signature Limited, HID's Mods>235/55-17 Z rated BFG G-Force Comp-2 A/S, Addco 1" rear Sway, Posi, Compustar Remote Start, floor liners, trunk organizer, Winter=05 Mustang GT rims, Nokian Hakkapeliitta R-2 235/55-17

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    Jaywish,
    Thanks.

    I bought the harbor freight 80 dollar engine support bar...2 inches too short :/ Taking it back shortly.

    I own a hoist, so I will use that. The only problem with using the hoist is that it uses up the other side of the garage space, so my 2nd car will have to spend the night outside unless I do the job in 1 day, which is the goal.

    I have the shop manual with all the procedures and torques. AND I bought the mondo torque wrench (max 250 ft lbs) from Harbor freight.

    Time to order a new pan.

    Thanks again.
    '03 Silver Birch. Stock rebuilt 4.L 32V DOHC, V7-JT blower w/ADTR racing supercharger kit, Shift kit in transmission, stainless works long pipes and cat backs, Ridetech coil-overs front, shocks in back (ADTR kit). Rebuilt calipers, upgraded front rotors, OEM Mercury wheels, [boost, oil P, WB fuel/air, and fuel pressure] gauges. Build duration was Dec 2019 to Mar 2022. 8 rib serp belt upgrade i/p.

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    This looks like it will work for bulkhead


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    If you do that I highly suggest using loctite on the nut. Also, there isn’t much room in front of the pan but it is absolutely necessary to use a hold back wrench on the bulkhead itself. Without doing so at minimum when loosening the AN hose the next time you need to (and you will, because modified car..) the bulkhead will loosen.

    Personally I’d have none of that. Especially if I was already removing the pan. Everything I take off gets bulletproofed the best I can do or at least afford to rid future headaches. That being said there would be a nice deeply threaded nut welded to the inside fo sho.


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    If you are going thru all the work and effort to pull the pan, have a fitting TIG welded in. Permanent fix, no future problems of bulkhead fitting failure, having to pull pan yet again, etc.

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    The welder refused to weld it on my pan hence the bulkhead fitting that is sealed tight with the appropriate sealant.
    1/4 Mile Time 11.542 @ 121.19 MPH
    195,000 Miles & 275+ Runs Down the 1,320’
    541.57 RWHP & 476.64 RWTQ on DynoJet
    Tuned by Aric at Injected Engineering
    Vortech Super Charger V-2 “T” Trim, 19 PSI
    8 Rib Belt, Innovators West 10% Overdrive Dampner
    Air to Air Intercooler, Mini-race Bypass
    Ford Cobra Remanufactured Long Block
    Snow Performance Water-Methanol Injection
    Kooks Headers & X Pipe
    GT MAF, 60lb injectors, Dash 8, Aero Rails, Twin Ford GT Pumps,
    Kinsler Fuel Filter, Kenne Bell Boost-A-Pump
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailsmen View Post
    The welder refused to weld it on my pan hence the bulkhead fitting that is sealed tight with the appropriate sealant.
    That's interesting. What reason was given?

    WLB
    BB#1) 1996 ImpalaSS - 16,500 miles - 100% stock
    ______________________________ ___________

    BB#2) 2003 Marauder (300a) - 34k miles - Daily Driver
    #2912 of 7093
    Conceived 8/6/2002
    Delivered 9/19/2002
    Adopted 8/10/2011
    Trilogy 242 - Self Installed 9/9/12 (0-60 5.5 sec)
    Pioneer 6x8 Front
    Legacy 600w 6x9 Rears
    JL 6.5 SubWoofer
    K&N CAI
    Window tint 50% rear/35% front
    FBM CHMSL with Strobe mod 7/1/12
    DR Deep Aluminum Trans Pan
    Sparta FOMOCO Racing 8.8 Girdle
    Mo's Dyno Tune
    Gorilla Nuts - The System
    Ford Racing 4.10s, 31 spline Cobra carrier & axles 7/1/12
    Powder Coat Axle Housing 7/1/12
    CME HP Rear Control Arms & Watts Link 7/1/12
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