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    yes 12 volts at the switch..

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    also when you insert key and turn ignition on it does power everything including fuel pump it just will not engage starter .. I normally start it by inserting key turn to on and jump starter relay.. to shut it off i use the key by turning it to off or lock position..

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    Do you have 12v leaving the switch in the start position?
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    I'm not sure what else i can do to help you over the internet.
    You need to check for voltage along the path of the starting circuit from beginning to end, and figure out where you are losing power.
    Good luck and let us know what you find.
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    yes , Thank you I do have 12 volts at the starter .. I really not that good with the electrical but that is what I have been trying to do I am hoping I will find a bad connection or broken wire somewhere unfortunetly no one around when I need help with turning the key lol .. I will let you know as soon as I find the problem.. ., Thanks again

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    You should have 12v at the large terminal on the starter solenoid all the time. The SMALL terminal on the starter solenoid is where the "trigger wire" connects to the starting circuit. You should ONLY see 12v on this SMALL terminal with the key in the start position with trans in park or neutral.

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    Yes that is my problem no signal to the solenoid wire and checked it is not broken or corroded it goes from the starter solenoid to the pdb to the starter relay I can jump it from the 12 v side of the relay to the solenoid side and with the key on car will start it is like the relay is not getting the signal to crank??

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    try starting it in neutral?
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    Yes tried every gear even tried with a known working neutral safety switch from another marauder ,(Thank you Ed lol ) same results even changed the ignition switch on column.. Thanks

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    Can you post a pic of the diagram on the relay? And the PDB with relay removed.
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    In this case the light bulb is your starter. The "switch" is the signal from the ignition switch in the "start" position. Battery and ground are same.
    This is where a diagram will help but you can do it without a diagram if you have a volt meter
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    Thanks I know I have the 12 volts and I know the starter or light bulb position I think the switch is where my problem is.. I tried a test light on that pin and tuned key to crank position but no light so it must be something to do with that wire ?? I did check the ground also it looks brand new no corrasion good contact?? i have to keep digging the diagram is helpful Thanks again..

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    no crank getting desperate,,,

    Now take a breath and go back to what I said last week.

    Your ground can look great and not function. The ground comes from the PCM but only if PATS allows it to start. So that ground isn’t grounded until you hit the key and only if the PCM commands so.

    So take your test light and plug it onto positive at the battery and touch the tip to the ground contact. It should not light up. Now do the same while holding the key to start and it should light up.

    If it lights up then move to the next phase.

    The wire that gets 12v from the switch will only do so if the transmission range selector switch is operating correctly and sees a park or neutral signal.

    There is easily 2 or 3 fuses that can interrupt the starting circuit. I believe one is even a maxi fuse.


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    Ok Thanks I will give it a shot tomorrow .., hopefully you guys are on to something I have my fingers crossed.. lol

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    I typed out a long thing about relays but deleted it.
    Thanks justbob for explaining it.
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