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Old 05-16-2018, 12:12 PM
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I called Marty's mobile and left a voice message asking for help. Essentially, I am offering to hire Marty (pay hourly labor rate) to counsel BRG Racing.
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Tell them to drop them in D2D and be done with it.

They don't know how to degree cams on a 4v. Never should have offered you the service.

Hope you didn't get any piston to valve slap. Your Livernoise warranty would be void.
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It isn't that hard 110/118 on the button...



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Tell them to drop them in D2D and be done with it.

They don't know how to degree cams on a 4v. Never should have offered you the service.

Hope you didn't get any piston to valve slap. Your Livernoise warranty would be void.

Can you confirm (or not) the PCM can detect an out-of-spec relationship between crank trigger and cam sensor, and this will set the cam sensor code? Never heard of it in the context of the 4.6L 4V, but that could just be because nobody has screwed it up.
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It isn't that hard 110/118 on the button...


For a Ford man no..... Anyone else it's foreign on a DOHC. Especially if they used a small diameter. wheel
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lmao, did they swap DS and PS cam drive gears? I'll have to go home and see if you can even do that. lol
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Marty and Jeff called BRG Racing and shared what to inspect. A follow up will be help Friday morning.
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I’ve been speaking to KC, one of his techs, and my partner Jeff.

It’s a love fest I tell ya!

After we check a few things we will have more to report.

It’s not an interference issue as far as I know, so nothing to worry about there.
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The cam gear set chosen has teeth too short - not close enough to the cam sensor. The problem is being addressed. Many thanks to Marty, Jeff and Clay.
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Is it sensor not long enough? Seems like Ive seen different length ones.
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The cam gear set chosen has teeth too short - not close enough to the cam sensor. The problem is being addressed. Many thanks to Marty, Jeff and Clay.

I had no idea they made different length gear teeth for C head cams.

Been around a long time and thought I'd seen it all..... Nope.... I didn't....
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Is it sensor not long enough? Seems like Ive seen different length ones.
Are there different length ones available? Anybody?

This would save a lot of time and $.
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cam trigger wheel phase altered by degreeing cams?

Id say they are the same length



99 cobra, 03 cobra, 03 Marauder cam position sensors. The crank sensor is much longer and offset



All the same plugins even the crank sensor

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That one big bump on the gear face you see in the last picture it what triggers the sensor, not any gear teeth. The statement does not make any sense.
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The cam gear set chosen has teeth too short - not close enough to the cam sensor. The problem is being addressed. Many thanks to Marty, Jeff and Clay.
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I had no idea they made different length gear teeth for C head cams.

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Id say they are the same length
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That one big bump on the gear face you see in the last picture it what triggers the sensor, not any gear teeth. The statement does not make any sense.

The tooth in question is the trigger for the magnetic pickup. I'm not sure who made the cam gear in Lowndex's engine, but it appears to have been made without any engineering or even an understanding of the basics. The cam trigger tooth moves with cam timing adjustment, which may be a questionable thing to do from the perspective of the PCM. Neither Cloyes nor Comp Cams moves the cam trigger with cam timing adjustment. Also, the trigger tooth does not extend radially far enough towards the outer edge of the cam gear in order to sweep past the cam sensor magnetic pickup. I've got a photo but I'll leave it up to Lowndex if he wants to post it.



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