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    That does suck. That’s enough to drive you nuts. There are gears that change the trigger gear in relation to the cam though, I’ve used them before. TFS billet adjustable crank gears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mm svt View Post
    I’d say they are the same length



    99 cobra, 03 cobra, 03 Marauder cam position sensors. The crank sensor is much longer and offset



    All the same plugins even the crank sensor
    Yep.... Many years... No difference.....

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    That one big bump on the gear face you see in the last picture it what triggers the sensor, not any gear teeth. The statement does not make any sense.
    Your right, does not make any sense

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    "If you look at the two different brand gears below, you see Lowndex's gear (2nd pic) moves the cam sensor with the angle of the cam (degreeing). The Comp Cams gears do not alter the relationship between the cam and crank signals, while still allowing the cams to be degreed. It looks like a small change in angle, but the Ford computer may see that as excessive timing chains stretch and call it an error condition."

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    clear pics

    Here are some clear photos. Waveform out of the cam sensor needs to be checked, although a solid signal won't prove that cam signal alignment is not a problem. Should confirm tooth/sensor function though.


    Lowndex cam gear, unknown brand:





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    Looks like it’s picking up on the adjuster bolts as well as the trigger

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    It also appears to be not be close enough to the outer portion for a good reading.

    Although the sensors shown above prove to be all the same, what about placement on the cover for different 4V’s? If there is slight differences but close enough for stock gears, then I think you found the problem..


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    Quote Originally Posted by mm svt View Post
    Looks like it’s picking up on the adjuster bolts as well as the trigger
    There’s an interesting thought. Even though the bolt heads are level with the gear face, would the space on either side allow for the fluctuation to be picked up? Hmmmmm. Still, you’d think there’d be a lot of mustangs out there that have encountered this.

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    The placement of the sensor is the same

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    Looks close enough to me

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    I wonder if you put a washer under the sensor to put it just out of reach of the bolts to test if that's the case. You should still get enough when the big bump passes under the coil to send a signal. It's an easy test anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mm svt View Post
    Looks like it’s picking up on the adjuster bolts as well as the trigger

    That is a good point, the bolts do look close enough to trigger the cam pos sensor. Hopefully Lowndex's hired gun puts a scope on the sensor output today.
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    Are the bolts stainless? If so, should be non magnetic depending on the grade used and unable to trigger the sensor.
    Checking/ adjusting sensor height is a good idea. Seen a few bone stock vehicles which needed adjustment with replacement sensors.

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    The problem has been identified: picking up the adjuster bolt and gear tooth. The cam gear is from MMR and to their site shows a slightly different mount for the sensor. KC feels he has a simply solution and should be resolved quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowndex View Post
    The problem has been identified: picking up the adjuster bolt and gear tooth. The cam gear is from MMR and to their site shows a slightly different mount for the sensor. KC feels he has a simply solution and should be resolved quickly.

    https://goo.gl/images/REnCjb
    That link brings up an image of a Mustang cowl hood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martyo View Post
    That link brings up an image of a Mustang cowl hood.
    Fixed and thank you.

    Problem was resolved 5/21.

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