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    I installed front Moog springs and cars sits too high

    I installed front Moog springs (same thickness and coils) and cars sits too high (drivers ball joint was shot and then found passenger side spring broke at bottom) , the car was only done today, even if it settles an inch in the next month that ain't gonna be where I was when I started, I can fit my fist (thumb up pinky down) between the tire and wheel well. And that's with rear tires all around. I thought Moog was the way to go, now what do I do, I don't even see Motorcraft springs available. Years ago I could call Moog and go over spring options, I lower my 84 MCSS 1.5" with Chevy S10 springs, I worked out perfect, Now I don't see a phone number to do that with a tech, someone else has the number I had.
    I couldn't find Bilstein shocks for this car so I went with the KYBs but they seam a little jumpy like when put them on my 84 MCSS, I would get launched off a sharp hill, when I went to Bilsteins, I came out of the seat, the car stayed on the ground.
    ....that was a little long ... I need help

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    i dont believe bilstein makes any to fit 03 +, panthers, cut a coil off the spring
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    ^^ yep, just cut a coil off the ones you have. maybe just 3/4 of one
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    I just did the black 03 with 214k

    Cut 1 full coil and it's sitting fine, even with 235 55 18, yes 55 up front
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    I HAVE Always looked up the spring rates then the front and rear weights of the vehicle to figure ride heights before purchasing springs. currently in my 87 grand marquis run 1000 lb street stock springs in the front and coil overs with 350 lb springs in the rear. the set up actually lowered the car a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbov6Bryan View Post
    I just did the black 03 with 214k

    Cut 1 full coil and it's sitting fine, even with 235 55 18, yes 55 up front
    Overall is the ride better? I put new struts and shocks in but reused the 272k mile front springs. I'm not happy with the ride and feel the front springs are just worn out. I'm thinking of doing what you did. Buy new springs and cut a coil. I have the same size front tire as you. If you get a chance can you post a pic of the ride height?
    You "feel" the difference because you want to "feel" the difference. Since you just spent money on the upgrade you "have" to feel the difference

    I'm looking to eliminate the double pump process I have to follow right now to get the pedal hard

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    I installed front Moog springs and cars sits too high

    I recently put in the Monroe HD strut shock/spring combo in the front. This was a upgrade from the stock shocks and stock coils with one coil cut. I felt like the one coil cut looked cool but made the front of the ride sloppy.

    I added QA1 adjusted shocks in the rear from the factory rear shocks and I have those set at 5. From the ground to center of the lip of thw wheel well all around my car sits about 29.5in, which I love the ride height. I've had everything done for a month now, the norm "settle" time frame is 4k-5k miles or depends on hows much bounce and rebound the springs have to deal with. I'll get a picture this weekend of how it looks when I pull it out the garage.








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    Quote Originally Posted by blazen71 View Post
    Overall is the ride better? I put new struts and shocks in but reused the 272k mile front springs. I'm not happy with the ride and feel the front springs are just worn out. I'm thinking of doing what you did. Buy new springs and cut a coil. I have the same size front tire as you. If you get a chance can you post a pic of the ride height?
    It rides great, it feels stock just lowered 1 coil.

    The tire does not rub... I posted this earlier and my post disappeared
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbov6Bryan View Post
    It rides great, it feels stock just lowered 1 coil.

    The tire does not rub... I posted this earlier and my post disappeared
    Perfect. That how mine looks now with worn out springs. I want to keep that same height with the new springs. Thanks for the pic! Did you happen to install without cutting first?
    You "feel" the difference because you want to "feel" the difference. Since you just spent money on the upgrade you "have" to feel the difference

    I'm looking to eliminate the double pump process I have to follow right now to get the pedal hard

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    Quote Originally Posted by NATEHAWK View Post
    I recently put in the Monroe HD strut shock/spring combo in the front. This was a upgrade from the stock shocks and stock coils with one coil cut. I felt like the one coil cut looked cool but made the front of the ride sloppy.

    I added QA1 adjusted shocks in the rear from the factory rear shocks and I have those set at 5. From the ground to center of the lip of thw wheel well all around my car sits about 29.5in, which I love the ride height. I've had everything done for a month now, the norm "settle" time frame is 4k-5k miles or depends on hows much bounce and rebound the springs have to deal with. I'll get a picture this weekend of how it looks when I pull it out the garage.


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    Thanks for the measurement. I'm going to check mine when I get home but am pretty sure its right around 28.5" with uncut springs Thats how worn they are.
    You "feel" the difference because you want to "feel" the difference. Since you just spent money on the upgrade you "have" to feel the difference

    I'm looking to eliminate the double pump process I have to follow right now to get the pedal hard

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    Quote Originally Posted by blazen71 View Post
    Thanks for the measurement. I'm going to check mine when I get home but am pretty sure its right around 28.5" with uncut springs Thats how worn they are.


    Cool. Think the average is 29.5-30


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    Quote Originally Posted by blazen71 View Post
    Perfect. That how mine looks now with worn out springs. I want to keep that same height with the new springs. Thanks for the pic! Did you happen to install without cutting first?
    No, I knew it was going to look like a 4x4 without cutting the coil.

    This car had the worn out springs and was about 1/4 inch taller, so I bought assemblies off rock auto, cut, put back together and installed.

    It really rides great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbov6Bryan View Post
    No, I knew it was going to look like a 4x4 without cutting the coil.

    This car had the worn out springs and was about 1/4 inch taller, so I bought assemblies off rock auto, cut, put back together and installed.

    It really rides great.
    What is the ride height at now?
    You "feel" the difference because you want to "feel" the difference. Since you just spent money on the upgrade you "have" to feel the difference

    I'm looking to eliminate the double pump process I have to follow right now to get the pedal hard

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    I was able to get in touch with a Moog technician he said the Springs I put in 80668 are for a taxi the correct one is 81098. cutting a spring would be my very last resort it's gotta ride rougher sloppier I see those little cars on the road bouncing all over the place if these don't work I may have to I hope not it'll be awhile but I'll let you know how it works out what a pain in the ass

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    Interesting. I see 81098 listed for Grand Marquis and 80668 for Marauder on Rock Auto
    You "feel" the difference because you want to "feel" the difference. Since you just spent money on the upgrade you "have" to feel the difference

    I'm looking to eliminate the double pump process I have to follow right now to get the pedal hard

    2004 300A Procharger #0010 D1X
    2003 300A Procharger #0017 D1SC (SOLD. Last I heard, it was in Washington State)

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