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Thread: 351W stroker or Gen 3 Coyote?

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    Stroker "Pushrod Motors" just belong in older cars......PERIOD!!

    I wish I had my old '67 HEMI Charger right now.....it was REAL SCARY on Polyglas tires!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marauderjack View Post
    .....it was REAL SCARY on Polyglas tires!!

    Ain't that the truth!!!


    Driving skill was mandatory back then. Just ask anyone that drove a Duster 383+.


    900lb car with HUGE engine, no brakes, no suspension, on 6" wide polyglass tires, open diff and steering that was about equal to a kid's little red wagon...


    It was soooo easy to lose control of those things!

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    Quote Originally Posted by guspech750 View Post
    I would go for technology just because of great drivability. I’d rather be cursing around, long trips and such in a nicely tuned fuel injected high revving machine. I’m assuming the Coyote is lighter too.


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    While I love the 427, and 455... Depending on how you plan t o use car, if often and long distance, ABOVE.

    IF just for fun, and more local... 427.


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    Just read this today.....now leaning back towards the Coyote.
    Look at these HP/TRQ numbers!!....

    https://www.hotrod.com/articles/dyno...id=FP_FASTNEWS



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    Those Gen 3 Coyote numbers are amazing!

    What about Ford’s new 7.3 gas engine? Could be a great swap candidate in a few years if keeeping it pushrod is a concern.

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    Coyote is a BIG motor

    Hey guys,

    I may be showing my ignorance here - I am, after all, the owner of a DTR - but the simpler swap is very likely to be the 351W-based motor. That Coyote is a damn big motor dimensionally. I think you have to get into the shock towers or front subframe with that swap, just to make room for that monster.

    Given that this is a Fox body, there will be kits aplenty for either one, but I'll bet that it will be easier to slap in the 427 stroker.


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    Coyote is a BIG motor for that Fox body

    Hey guys,

    I may be showing my ignorance here - I am, after all, the owner of a DTR - but the simpler swap is very likely to be the 351W-based motor. That Coyote is a damn big motor dimensionally. I think you have to get into the shock towers or front subframe with that swap, just to make room for that monster.

    Given that this is a Fox body, there will be kits aplenty for either one, but I'll bet that it will be easier to slap in the 351W/427 stroker.


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    Yes....and no.
    The Coyote will fit without any cutting of the shock towers. It's actually smaller than our 4.6 Marauder engines because of the Coyote's low profile cam covers. It will fit under a stock foxbody hood.
    The 351/427W, because of the taller deck height and the taller Edelbrock intake manifold, requires an aftermarket hood and a set of drop motor mounts...... or a BIG aftermarket hood.
    The carburated Windsor is a simpler install into an '85 Mustang.
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    Wow!

    The 351W weighs 50 lbs less than an all aluminum Coyote!?...
    I wonder if the listed 351W weight includes a cast iron intake manifold and cast iron heads?
    If so, an aluminum head and intake stroker 351W would weigh a bunch less than the all aluminum Coyote.

    BTW: Look at the weight of the cast iron block 4.6 SOHC modular!!!
    600 lbs!....what a porker and a dog....
    A 302W based 347 or 363 would kill a 4.6 SOHC both in performance and weight reduction.

    EDIT: That weight chart posted above is screwed up.
    See this:
    https://www.enginelabs.com/news/ford...-hp-per-pound/

    Coyote's weigh @ 444 lbs.
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    1. Economical. If you want to drive the car occasionally with minimal effort or cost, put the car back to stock with a new carb. More and more people truly appreciate a stock 85 GT. Want to drive the car more often, maybe Fitech the 302. This will keep the carb look. I have one and they work. Not as easy as everyone makes out to be on the install and setup, but not difficult. There are several things needed that will add to the cost. They also tend to run rich from the start. You still have to tune it. OR, swap over to 86-up EFI.

    2. Expensive. Rarely drive the car with tire frying torque, go 351 stroker. It will be a monster and put a smile on your face every time you floor it, but will be a pain in the a** to drive any great distance and will sit in the garage most of the time. If you enjoy sitting and staring at the car in you garage, go for it. (You can do that in its current state) The 351 swap also requires a number of items as mentioned: hood, distributor, bracket, exhaust plus you will most likely have to upgrade the fuel system, trans, rear and suspension.

    3. Expensive. Drive the car anytime, anywhere, any distance you want with incredible N/A power, revs to the moon and a smooth stock idle. (My opinion - they also sound awesome)
    COYOTE............ This is very expensive and more work, especially if you want A/C and power steering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Walsh View Post
    Wow!

    The 351W weighs 50 lbs less than an all aluminum Coyote!?...
    I wonder if the listed 351W weight includes a cast iron intake manifold and cast iron heads?
    If so, an aluminum head and intake stroker 351W would weigh a bunch less than the all aluminum Coyote.

    Coyote's weigh @ 444 lbs.
    They Sell Aluminum blocks for the 351w. The blocks weigh just over 100lbs.
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    I can’t help but feel like this thread probably made your decision even harder rather than helping you pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crownvic97 View Post
    Those Gen 3 Coyote numbers are amazing!

    What about Ford’s new 7.3 gas engine? Could be a great swap candidate in a few years if keeeping it pushrod is a concern.
    Probably won't be available by the time I 'pull the trigger' on engine choice.
    But, I cant wait to see if they put it in a new 'BOSS 429' 2021 Mustang.

    Quote Originally Posted by crownvic97 View Post
    I can’t help but feel like this thread probably made your decision even harder rather than helping you pick.
    Yep....I'm still doing research and comparing the 2 options....haven't decided yet.
    My original plan, from years ago (before I bought and started dropping mod money on my Marauder) was to drop in a nice 351W....
    then I started seeing all of these nasty big cube Windsor stroker motors....
    then I see what the new Coyote is putting out.....
    then ....
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    1984 Mustang GT 2.3 Turbo Convertible FI. 5 speed manual
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    SOLD : 2003 Mercury Marauder FI. 4 speed Auto
    w/Crower Cams & Springs, +1mm SS valves, mild port job on the cylinder heads.
    Extrude honed intake w/PHP spacer.
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    And now to add a 3rd...and leading candidate:

    https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-6007-Z2363RT

    About the same cost as the other 2 options except that it is a true drop-in for my OEM '85 5.0L.
    Everything will bolt onto the BOSS 8.2 inch deck block with no mods.
    .....maybe run an FiTech set-up on an Edelbrock manifold.
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    1984 Mustang GT 2.3 Turbo Convertible FI. 5 speed manual
    1966 427 Cobra (ERA) 468 all Aluminum FE 2x4bbl 5 speed manual

    SOLD : 2003 Mercury Marauder FI. 4 speed Auto
    w/Crower Cams & Springs, +1mm SS valves, mild port job on the cylinder heads.
    Extrude honed intake w/PHP spacer.
    Kooks Headers w/2.5" High Flow Cats & X-Pipe, Magnaflow mufflers, OEM tailpipes w/Megs Tips
    B&M Trans cooler w/fan, Level 10 Shift Kit, Art Carr Hughes Deep Sump Trans Pan,
    SVO Rearend Girdle, Redline Gear lube; OEM 3.55s
    'Real Gauges' + matching Trans Temp, Oil Temp, Water Temp, Fuel Pressure, Vacuum/Boost Gauge
    Built: 10/15/02 Bought: 12/16/02 Sold: 10/15/18

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