Turbocharged Coyote/6R80 Swap, Build/Discussion Thread, Pics, info inside!

[orangeconv]

Did you do a mechanical throttle cable instead of the electronic

[96gt4.6]

No, it was electronic.

[orangeconv]

So you don't have adjustable pedals now?

[blkZooM]

I believe the car still does, only thing he most likely change out was the gas pedal to work the DBW that the coyotes utilize.

[96gt4.6]

It did not, however it was only due to the fact I never did get around to installing the adjustable pedal. The F150 has an adjustable pedal assembly, and Ford never did change the drive cable connection/type. I originally used a Mustang pedal which is non-adjustable, however the Coyote F150 pedal would have worked just fine, and retained the adjustable function. I had the pedal, but never did get it changed out before I sold the car.

[orangeconv]

cool man, im in the process of doing a coyote swap on my marauder with a holley dominator and 4r70w trying to do my homework. thanks. best price on acc swap is pbh im assuming

[96gt4.6]

At the time I did this swap, yes. The PBH kit was outstanding for the swap as pictured in my pics. the Marauder's Scroll compressor works with the PBH kit, you do not need the FX4 compressor as they state. It does require some minor modification to the bolts, but it does work just fine.

[orangeconv]

What na headers did you use?

[Zack]

What na headers did you use?

Stock manifolds. It's in the thread

[orangeconv]

The damn thread is so long. Lol

[Turbov6Bryan]

He had to modify one header, so you might want to read the entire thread.

He also lists the fuel pump and fittings, it's a good read :)

[justbob]

Read it all? Come on man!


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[MOTOWN]

It's more fun driving it!

[Turbov6Bryan]

It's more fun driving it!

We need videos of it buddy! :)

[MOTOWN]

We need videos of it buddy! :)

I need to finish it! , I think gambling would have been a cheaper habit!:bigcry:

[MOTOWN]

Coyote is on the dyno made 550rwhp at 9psi on E85 , tuning continues , and boost is going up!

Looking for 750-800!!!!!!!!!

[Seneca]

Coyote is on the dyno made 550rwhp at 9psi on E85 , tuning continues , and boost is going up!

Looking for 750-800!!!!!!!!!
Sick! Very nice

[MOTOWN]

Sick! Very nice

Yes , looking forward to the final numbers!:coolman:

[blkZooM]

96gt4.6 I've been wondering, is it possible for us older 4v guys to do what some GT500 who are running the 6r80 have done by switching over to a Coyote auto ECM to control the 6r80? It's been proven that the Coyote ECM is able to control a non VVT engine in the 5.4L, I see no reason it couldn't control a 4.6L. The GT500 do have can-bus technology but only for their instrument cluster, abs module and SJS and audio unit and (SJB not sure what that is).

We know PATS can be disable from the ECM, is it also possible to disable the other things we don't have nor need (Abs,BCM ect) and still run the 6r80 trans?

[Turbov6Bryan]

96gt4.6 I've been wondering, is it possible for us older 4v guys to do what some GT500 who are running the 6r80 have done by switching over to a Coyote auto ECM to control the 6r80? It's been proven that the Coyote ECM is able to control a non VVT engine in the 5.4L, I see no reason it couldn't control a 4.6L. The GT500 do have can-bus technology but only for their instrument cluster, abs module and SJS and audio unit and (SJB not sure what that is).

We know PATS can be disable from the ECM, is it also possible to disable the other things we don't have nor need (Abs,BCM ect) and still run the 6r80 trans?

Sign me up for a 6r80 in my 03. Heck yeah

[Bad_S55]

96gt4.6 I've been wondering, is it possible for us older 4v guys to do what some GT500 who are running the 6r80 have done by switching over to a Coyote auto ECM to control the 6r80? It's been proven that the Coyote ECM is able to control a non VVT engine in the 5.4L, I see no reason it couldn't control a 4.6L. The GT500 do have can-bus technology but only for their instrument cluster, abs module and SJS and audio unit and (SJB not sure what that is).

We know PATS can be disable from the ECM, is it also possible to disable the other things we don't have nor need (Abs,BCM ect) and still run the 6r80 trans?

My car already has a CAN BUS system, so this is intriguing....

[96gt4.6]

I would venture to guess that using the Coyote ECU would be possible in those situations, but I would need to reference some things to verify.

Essentially that's the same thing I did with the Marauder on one hand. I disabled all the codes not needed and kept only the engine/transmission control items. Being as the Cluster on most modern vehicles simply grabs all it needs from the CAN BUS, the gauges should work.

However, I have a feeling you would get a host of other warning indicators, and i'm not sure if the Coyote ECU will play nice with everything entirely in a modern vehicle swap such as that. Could be totally wrong on this one though, i'm sure there is someone out there that is work on or trying it though, the 6R80 is a brute and can take serious power and not even care. Shifts like a kitten around town, kills the tires at 1/2 of total available line pressure (at least on this build it did!). Lots of growing room for power in those transmissions.

[96gt4.6]

As a continued "Thank You" and gift to the automotive community, I have now given full access to the build pic album on this car.

http://s1352.photobucket.com/user/Alan_Ledesma/library/The%20Marauder

[orangeconv]

Hate to keep bothering you brother. But... do you know what the radiator hose you used the yellow 45 was from, trying to finish up my coolant side. Thanks man

[96gt4.6]

Gates part numbers for the upper and lower hoses. You will need to modify both. On the lower, I used 1/2 of the original Marauder's lower hose along with a plastic hose coupler. Look through my pic album to see how it was modified:

Upper - Gates# 22144
Lower - Gates# 21585

[orangeconv]

Awsome thanks man

[96gt4.6]

You will need to modify the key way on the orange connector/mating connector as it clocks the outlet in the wrong direction. The orange connector came with the OEM 2012 F150 radiator hose, I believe it was the lower hose radiator side connector, but it's been too long.

[hotford]

Sign me up for a 6r80 in my 03. Heck yeah

http://www.usshift.com/usq6.shtml


no need to wait here ya go, released Dec 23 2016.

[96gt4.6]

That looks like a very good alternative for a 6R swap controller. It's a good trans, and now that they are starting to support it in the aftermarket, only good things will come. I just looked through the install manual for that controller, it's the cat's me-ow by what I can see. Fully programmable, has VSS out, and many other goodies!

And, of course, just as I had been preaching from the beginning, they also state that the 6R80 is capable of near 1k hp in stock trim with only programming.

She's a stout unit, and you will love the 6 speed side of life once you have one.

[MOTOWN]

This is an excellent transmission , but people need to realize by the time you buy the control unit, transmission, torque converter, drive shaft your looking at 5K or more.

[hotford]

This is an excellent transmission , but people need to realize by the time you buy the control unit, transmission, torque converter, drive shaft your looking at 5K or more.

Not so bad......built 4R75W will run 3K or more easily and a 6R680 in stock forum in my buddies 2011 GT car is all stock with 922 RWHP!

You get better gear multiplication, you can now go WOT in higher gears unlike the 4R75W which will only go WOT to thrid gear, now you can drop the rear gear back down to a 3:55.

WIN WIN to me.

[blkZooM]

Not so bad......built 4R75W will run 3K or more easily and a 6R680 in stock forum in my buddies 2011 GT car is all stock with 922 RWHP!

You get better gear multiplication, you can now go WOT in higher gears unlike the 4R75W which will only go WOT to thrid gear, now you can drop the rear gear back down to a 3:55.

WIN WIN to me.

I Agree.

$1200 for controller.
850ish for driveshaft.
$550-1100 for a 6R80 (F150 version) (if you pay more you aren't looking hard enough)
maybe $300 in miscellaneous parts.
The converter isn't needed right away either especially if you have a PD blower.
and you put it in yourself?

Money well spent knowing you have 2 more gears a trans that can damn near take on anything you can throw at it in its stock form and the pluses that Hotford mentioned. This has potential to be best mod dollar wise for anyone with a ford who doesn't have a 6R80 I think. Ford outdid themselves with this trans that is for sure.

[MOTOWN]

Not so bad......built 4R75W will run 3K or more easily and a 6R680 in stock forum in my buddies 2011 GT car is all stock with 922 RWHP!

You get better gear multiplication, you can now go WOT in higher gears unlike the 4R75W which will only go WOT to thrid gear, now you can drop the rear gear back down to a 3:55.

WIN WIN to me.

For the most part I agree with your comments except there is no reason or benefit to go wot past 3rd gear which is a 1:1 ratio anything beyond 3rd gear is pointless as there overdriven gears.

[hotford]

For the most part I agree with your comments except there is no reason or benefit to go wot past 3rd gear which is a 1:1 ratio anything beyond 3rd gear is pointless as there overdriven gears.

4R75W 1ST-2.84 2nd 1.55 3rd 1.0, 4th 0.70

6R680 1st 4.17 2nd 2.35 3rd 1.52 4th 1.14 5th 0.87 6th0.69




When your in a HWY pull against a Hell kitty and you can only top out around 140 ish with the 4r75w...the extra gear ratio is a bouns....

[96gt4.6]

I REALLY want to Eco-Boost 3.5L swap whatever comes next.

I'm thinking a 10R80/Eco would be tits. Considering my '15 5400 lb Crew Cab 4x4's performance tune-only (6-speed auto still).

This is with an out-of-the-box tune, which appears to be very safe by the data/boost level's I am seeing:

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/2015%20EcoBoost%20F150/20160902_235146_zpsksfqdlu9.jp g

Just the numbers from this setup alone in a lighter vehicle would be impressive, and that's all stock less tune. 3.31 gears/20" wheels and all. The little 6 bangers are very impressive.

[justbob]

I hear that. My wife's non eco 3.5 in her '13 EDGE is stupid quick!


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[BLACKMAGIC03]

What tune do you have on the eco? I have a 12 eco 4x4

[96gt4.6]

I'm currently running a hybrid of my own tuning blend, however that slip was with SSI's 93 Octane Level 2 tune. They now have about 4 revisions better i'm told, but never went any further as I ran out of time last season with the track closing for the end of year.

I also have Unleashed Performance tunes for it. All seem to perform very well, with each it's own style of pedal feel.

[96gt4.6]

The Torque is unreal on these little guys. That's a 1.7 60'.......on a 5400 lb 4x4 Crew Cab with 3.31 ratio and 20" wheels.

That's faster than most modified race cars achieve, with a lot more weight.

They claim 600+ FT/LB at the rear wheel on this tune, a shade over 400 HP.

[Fastbob]

Put that tune into a Ford F-150 Tremor regular cab with the factory 4:11 gear and it might run in the 12s.

[justbob]

The Torque is unreal on these little guys. That's a 1.7 60'.......on a 5400 lb 4x4 Crew Cab with 3.31 ratio and 20" wheels.

That's faster than most modified race cars achieve, with a lot more weight.

They claim 600+ FT/LB at the rear wheel on this tune, a shade over 400 HP.



That's insane!


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[96gt4.6]

Put that tune into a Ford F-150 Tremor regular cab with the factory 4:11 gear and it might run in the 12s.

12's is very doable on these from what I have seen, but never done personally. This is on Race Gas and the supporting tune. Same pickup as mine less 3.55's:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6_dhY92wb0

The problem with Eco is really once you turn up the boost, and get good fuel in them, you are limited by the turbo size and high pressure pump system from making more power, and they are quite expensive to mod from there. But, at close to 450ish RWHP and 650+ TQ like this truck would need to get those numbers, that's pretty impressive for sure....

[BLACKMAGIC03]

Wow I need to get one on mine....I just have warranty and kinda don't want to ruin it... But then again I like power lol

[sflrainmaker01]

4R75W 1ST-2.84 2nd 1.55 3rd 1.0, 4th 0.70

6R680 1st 4.17 2nd 2.35 3rd 1.52 4th 1.14 5th 0.87 6th0.69




When your in a HWY pull against a Hell kitty and you can only top out around 140 ish with the 4r75w...the extra gear ratio is a bouns....

Wow! That would be a heck of a swap even for a slightly modded car (non-boosted)! If the car to be modded had 4.10's+, then it would be a tire killer! :drive::burn::burnout:

[gdsqdcr]

Wow I need to get one on mine....I just have warranty and kinda don't want to ruin it... But then again I like power lol

I bought an '11 3.5 EB F150 that I then tuned ... stupid quick, but was returned due to electrical issues.

Now have a '15 3.5 EB. I want to tune it ... but it came with a 125K bumper to bumper warranty and a 100K maintenance plan thrown in ... if I can keep the mod bug away. I have had it for a little over 8 months and it currently has just shy of 17K miles. At the current rate, I will need to not mod the truck for 4.5 years ... ugh.

I have not taken it to the track either ... do not want to find out that officially it is faster than the Marauder. :D

[justbob]

I have not taken it to the track either ... do not want to find out that officially it is faster than the Marauder. :D


At 14.4 it is officially MUCH faster than a Marauder. [emoji4]




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[gdsqdcr]

At 14.4 it is officially MUCH faster than a Marauder. [emoji4]




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Yeah ... I know but I am not believing it yet. I am in denial. :)

[2,4shofast]

I also have Unleashed Performance tunes for it. All seem to perform very well, with each it's own style of pedal feel.

Torrie does a great job on the EB tunes, that is who I plan on going with for our EB Flex. Impressive numbers for sure:eek:

[blkZooM]

I


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[vintage47]

Does anybody happen to have the pictures saved somewhere? All the links are dead.

[Drewstang]

Photobucket bombed out, he had a youtube video with a slide show.

[blkZooM]

Does anybody happen to have the pictures saved somewhere? All the links are dead.

Page 52 oh this tread has the link to his Photobucket with all the pictures he shared here and a lot more.

[Turbov6Bryan]

Page 52 oh this tread has the link to his Photobucket with all the pictures he shared here and a lot more.

THANK YOU!!

[Lowndex]

Any YouTube videos showing the car in action?

Link/s, please.

[MOTOWN]

If only there were more pics!

[96gt4.6]

Sorry about the links guys, I had moved some photos and such and messed it all up it seems!

Here's my YouTube page: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr7LaomBm-XfDG53sCh6tcw?view_as=subscrib er

Photobucket Link: http://s1352.photobucket.com/user/Alan_Ledesma/library/The%20Marauder

As far as what the 'ole girl is up to after I sold it March '16, no idea :).

[blkZooM]

Sorry about the links guys, I had moved some photos and such and messed it all up it seems!

Here's my YouTube page: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr7LaomBm-XfDG53sCh6tcw?view_as=subscrib er

Photobucket Link: http://s1352.photobucket.com/user/Alan_Ledesma/library/The%20Marauder

As far as what the 'ole girl is up to after I sold it March '16, no idea :).


96gt4.6, I’m happy you are still here. Did you use the Grand Marquis accelerator pedal like you originally wanted to or the F150



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[96gt4.6]

I get the thread reply emails, and peek over here from time to time :).

On the pedal, actually.....neither. Although I wanted to keep the OEM functionality of the adjustable pedals, I ended up using a Mustang pedal and losing the adjustable pedals.

If one were to put a little time and effort into the pedals, I don't see why the adjustable part wouldn't work, although the GM pedal would probably have to be modified as far as the APP sensor goes, I believe the Coyote's pedal sensor was different as far as how it functioned electrically, but it's been a while since I have looked in the manual to compare.

The OEM pedals on the Marauder unfortunately had the 'froze' issue they they seem to suffer from, and I just never got around to fixing/retrofitting it all like I had wanted.

[Joe Walsh]

As far as what the 'ole girl is up to after I sold it March '16, no idea :).

WOW!
It's been 2 years since you sold it!

Seems like yesterday when I was reading about your awesome Coyote swap/build.....time flies.

[Turbov6Bryan]

If only there were more pics!

So walk over to it and take some pictures of it for us buddy!

[MOTOWN]

Sorry about the links guys, I had moved some photos and such and messed it all up it seems!

Here's my YouTube page: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr7LaomBm-XfDG53sCh6tcw?view_as=subscrib er

Photobucket Link: http://s1352.photobucket.com/user/Alan_Ledesma/library/The%20Marauder

As far as what the 'ole girl is up to after I sold it March '16, no idea :).

Since then its gotten a Precision ball bearing Turbo , a Forged short block , Ported heads , Circle D converter , and making a tad over 800RWHP , haven't touched it in months as ive got three other projects going on.


So walk over to it and take some pictures of it for us buddy!

Car is in storage in Atlanta , im in Michigan checking on my parents currently.

[Turbov6Bryan]

Since then its gotten a Precision ball bearing Turbo , a Forged short block , and making a tad over 800RWHP , haven't touched it in months as ive got three other projects going on.



Car is in storage in Atlanta , im in Michigan checking on my parents currently.

Mannnnnnn, forged shortblock. Very cool bud! Id like to see it some time soon!

[MOTOWN]

Mannnnnnn, forged shortblock. Very cool bud! Id like to see it some time soon!

Me too! working on my fathers 70 Chevelle SS , and dropping a crate motor in a Jeep I picked up so haven't really thought about a Marauder lately , nice to work on another platform from time to time.

[Turbov6Bryan]

Back in september i recently worked on my dads car he bought in 1970. Its been in my back garage for 8-9 years. It fired right up and i moved it to the bigger garage to work on it. Old car was so simple, i fixed like 3 things in 5 minutes.
70 chevelle... drooool

https://youtu.be/eeVx-DDNjuA

[MOTOWN]

Back in september i recently worked on my dads car he bought in 1970. Its been in my back garage for 8-9 years. It fired right up and i moved it to the bigger garage to work on it. Old car was so simple, i fixed like 3 things in 5 minutes.
70 chevelle... drooool

https://youtu.be/eeVx-DDNjuA

Thats a sweet ride! my buddy is a Pontiac fanatic! I sent him the video , yeah older cars are such a joy to work on compared to the new stuff.

[Turbov6Bryan]

Thats a sweet ride! my buddy is a Pontiac fanatic! I sent him the video , yeah older cars are such a joy to work on compared to the new stuff.

That is no joke, my multimeter would collect dust if thats all i had to work one these days. lol

[MOTOWN]

That is no joke, my multimeter would collect dust if thats all i had to work one these days. lol

LOL yeah I hadn't used a standard socket in so long I forgot I had so many!

[96gt4.6]

I'm glad it went to the owner it did! He was able to correct some things with his experience and connections that I would have certainly had to do as well. And certainly happy there is still a connection to the car after the fact :).

[MOTOWN]

I'm glad it went to the owner it did! He was able to correct some things with his experience and connections that I would have certainly had to do as well. And certainly happy there is still a connection to the car after the fact :).

It has a been a joy to work on and its a unique one of a kind build for sure!:bows:

[96gt4.6]

So apparently Photobucket has restricted linking of pics. I'm working on getting the album moved over to an alternative host, will re-link when I get that taken care of. There seems to be quite the following of Coyote swapped Panthers with the 5.0 getting cheaper and cheaper as the bone yards fill up. I am really happy I am able to provide some pics and such to aid them....once I get them accessible again.

[justbob]

So apparently Photobucket has restricted linking of pics. I'm working on getting the album moved over to an alternative host, will re-link when I get that taken care of. There seems to be quite the following of Coyote swapped Panthers with the 5.0 getting cheaper and cheaper as the bone yards fill up. I am really happy I am able to provide some pics and such to aid them....once I get them accessible again.



Much appreciated!


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[cheapthrillb2]

I'd like to get in touch with 96gt, as I have a few specific.? S for him. Anybody have a contact email. He doesn't get in here much and I don't seem to be sending messages.

[Fastbob]

I'd like to get in touch with 96gt, as I have a few specific.? S for him. Anybody have a contact email. He doesn't get in here much and I don't seem to be sending messages. PM sent to you sir.

[jonly123]

PM sent to you sir.


Hate to bring up an old thread, but this one deserves it!

I've been compiling a list of parts, schematics, and plans needed to do the coyote swap. I have almost everything clear in my head except for a few questions regarding wiring (specifically A/C and integrating with the stock CV PCM).


Can you pm me the email as well?






Thank you!
Jon

[blkZooM]

Hate to bring up an old thread, but this one deserves it!

I've been compiling a list of parts, schematics, and plans needed to do the coyote swap. I have almost everything clear in my head except for a few questions regarding wiring (specifically A/C and integrating with the stock CV PCM).


Can you pm me the email as well?






Thank you!
Jon



Simply let the Stock PCM handle controlling the A/C.


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[96gt4.6]

I still need to get around to repairing/moving all of those photobucket pictures....that really sucks what they did to that hosing website! It's going to be a lot of work.....

Just an update, I have since been working on a new project.

I now have a 2017 Mustang GT, and am currently adding a Whipple 2.9L Gen3 kit to. Supposedly 700+RWHP is an easy number on pump gas with these setups....we shall see!

[cheapthrillb2]

Photo bucket images should work now. They fired the ceo and reinstated previous photos (just have a big watermark on them now).


I still can't my speedometer to work in my MM lol. Been trying to find the old style Dakota box VS the new style to try.

[96gt4.6]

Little update, not related to this build, but I am back at that boost game again!

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1hdpShhzJi7wpJcXrwO-y9CzBxtWleS0m"]https://drive.google.com/open?id=1hdpShhzJi7wpJcXrwO-y9CzBxtWleS0m

Still miss the 'ole Marauder though!!!!

[96gt4.6]

Anyone have any updates on my 'ole girl? Miss her all the time!!

Still in the Coyote game, but just with baby boost. Currently have an S550/Whipple stage 1 setup.


https://youtu.be/XDwdjdzslqk?t=96

[Turbov6Bryan]

I have Motown Rogees phone # if you need it.

[Invective]

Daydreaming....I thought I wanted a Terminator Marauder w/4R70W. Oh my goodness, a stock gen 2 Coyote 6R80 or a stock gen 3 10R80 has taken hold...

[96gt4.6]

PM me please, I have looked but I lost it......would love to shoot him a text! Thank You!

Invective, that would be awesome. The 10R is a great trans, and a GEN3 Coyote can throw down big HP without opening anything up internally.

I'm super impressed even with this GEN2 setup I have that is entry level.

I do miss my Marauder though.......a lot. I knew due to the circumstances of how I acquired it, that it would never happen again given the rarity of those cars and how hard they are to come by in decent shape.

Miss my big 4 door, esp with a kiddo now :), although we have a great family friendly vehicle, but it doesn't have 8 cylinders and a turbo!

[RubberCtyRauder]

I know he put a bigger turbo on it and Ridetech front coil overs. I think it was near 800 hp. It's somewhere in the forum.

[offroadkarter]

I do miss my Marauder though.......a lot. I knew due to the circumstances of how I acquired it, that it would never happen again given the rarity of those cars and how hard they are to come by in decent shape.

Miss my big 4 door, esp with a kiddo now :), although we have a great family friendly vehicle, but it doesn't have 8 cylinders and a turbo!

I mean if you want to re-create the magic, I have a roller I'll be listing for sale real soon.

I also have a friend looking to coyote/6r80 swap a 87 colony park wagon who was reading your build thread for ideas.

[g-mancv]

When you say roller, what does that exactly mean? Is it only missing the engine and transmission? What year? What color? How many miles?

[offroadkarter]

When you say roller, what does that exactly mean? Is it only missing the engine and transmission? What year? What color? How many miles?


Yes, a roller generally implies no driveline. This'll have no engine/trans. PM me if you want details.

[Mebot]

When you say roller, what does that exactly mean? Is it only missing the engine and transmission? What year? What color? How many miles?


Yes, a roller generally implies no driveline. This'll have no engine/trans. PM me if you want details.

Please tell me another build thread is coming soon!!!

[offroadkarter]

Please tell me another build thread is coming soon!!!


a friend of mine bought the car over two months ago already, he's using the frame for a coyote swap 87 colony park project

[Mebot]

a friend of mine bought the car over two months ago already, he's using the frame for a coyote swap 87 colony park projectThat sounds pretty awesome

[96gt4.6]

My old Marauder needs to go down and do an event with Cleetus!!! Would be pretty cool to see them together, and I bet if someone contacted him, he would love to get together!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Bugja6Oy9E&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR1v_aWV8GN7KZpU2iCd9 JKqlOVWKCWTHNmkutUftj5OPICB-fQgbwpcd4s

Florida ain't so far!

[dohc324ci]

That would be ideal a 10r with a gen 3 coyote....smh decisions decisions. Anyone do one in Cali?

[hotford]

Cool video and it's funny to see people's reaction, but lets be honest, what took him so long...…...our cars have been sleeper cars since 2003...…..lol