No more "On The Rack?"

[prchrman]

Do I need a profession to be a vendor?

Didn't mean it that way...JK...willie

[Hotrauder]

I quess I join the posted majority. Rules are rules even when they don't have particular application. That said Todd brings a lot more than pics that may have included items of question to the PTB. I hope that that this snag can be worked out. I have never met Todd but am looking foreward to it at the Lead Sled led convention, not just because he has a very successful business that does amazing work but because of his great sense of humor, his good will and the help he has provided not just to me but to anyone here who needs it. This will be a great loss to us and it seems for not a compelling reason. I am grateful to ADMIN for the continuation of the venture but I can't truthfully say the the start has been stellar. Dennis

[LordVader]

I am sorry to see Todd go. His "On the Rack" always made my day. Just a sad situation all the way around. It's too bad that a compromise couldn't be reached.

[Bradley G]

If Todd wants to post his Pics,
All he needs to do is , loose the banner from the photos(fuzzy them up) or become a vendor.
Seems a shame, we have to suffer!

[jimlam56]

I quess I join the posted majority. Rules are rules even when they don't have particular application. That said Todd brings a lot more than pics that may have included items of question to the PTB. I hope that that this snag can be worked out. I have never met Todd but am looking foreward to it at the Lead Sled led convention, not just because he has a very successful business that does amazing work but because of his great sense of humor, his good will and the help he has provided not just to me but to anyone here who needs it. This will be a great loss to us and it seems for not a compelling reason. I am grateful to ADMIN for the continuation of the venture but I can't truthfully say the the start has been stellar. Dennis

Not to mention a very generous contribution to MMIV...
Well put, Dennis.

[TooManyFords]

Great before and after pictures! Don't suppose you have a sound byte of it hovering over the parking lot?

I'm waiting for the "no, can't help you" story. It will be interesting to see what you won't put pipes on...

Damn Todd...do you run ads stating
"if it runs, flys, creaps, crawls, or swims...we got an exhaust for you!"

Looks like at least 3 of the 9 liked what Todd used to do... Ok, which 5 were butt heads and just couldn't leave well enough alone?

[Tallboy]

Perhaps someone could explain how this egregious violation of vendor rules was allowed to continue for as long as it did? No one reported this as a clear, blatant violation of our chisled-in-stone, unbending rules? Todd should be ashamed of himself. I'm going to pick up the phone and give him a good talking-to...

[Bluerauder]

But, I will miss Tod and his "On the Rack" threads. Know what else I miss, him and Marty with the jabs at one another.

I for one hope that Tod will come back and continue to post here.

I also will miss Todd and his posts.

For What it's Worth -- in all the time that he has been posting his "On the Rack" series and other pics and content, not once have I considered them as ads for his business. I just liked seeing the stuff he was doing and enjoying the pics. It wasn't BLATANT in my view although it probably could be interpreted as some sort of low key, subliminal advertising by some. That is very unfortunate. MM.Net has disappointed me twice in the past week --- that is also unfortunate. Hope this can be worked out to everyone's satisfaction.

[sailsmen]

If you did not take a nickel, how many pennys?

We have ways of finding this out, by looking at the copper prices!

[sailsmen]

what about members that are advertising in their sig and are not vendors?

I assume they would have to change their sig or become a vendor?

[Breadfan]

I edited my first post as it was the first thing I wrote this morning, the feelings of it haven't gone away though.

Like I said, I hope the choices and decisions were not made in haste and negotiations and compromise were discussed. There is an answer to every problem I just hope the time was taken to find it.

I hope Todd comes back, I hope the On The Rack posts resume - I will miss not having updated desktop backgrounds so often.

It's too bad something has come between that...maybe I can get him to email them to me, which makes sense because next time I have a muffler question and he's not here I'll probably have to email him since he always has the right answer.

[Gre8one7]

How about a seperate picture section...for just pictures...
I looked in every on the rack thread and i liked looking at them, but they never made me want to drop everything and have todd do work on my car. Maybe some members like knowing that he atleast knows what a marauder is and how to work on them...

[SergntMac]

I'm not going to sit back and play dumb on this, but I have been delayed by other matters.

I am involved in the decision that yáll speak of. The topic was pending for a while, it's another legacy problem we inherited when purchasing the site. Moreover, failure to address it is unfairness for the remaining paid vendors.

Todd was sent notice on the violations and nothing changed. He was invited to sign up as a supporting vendor, which would have cost him approximately 324.00 for a full year. This would include a banner, and his own forum under his control to use any way he saw fit. He did not respond to any of our invitations, and he did not change any pics.

Furthermore, Todd's flaggs and "contributing member"status could not be verified in the records transferred at the sale. We looked everywhere for some contribution from Todd no matter how old, in order to preserve his status. Again, without Todd's help in this, we found nothing. Finally, he was given notice that by the close of business Friday 20 Oct. 2006, he should make amends to his membership status, of the status will revert to that of member-at-large. He did nothing.

The software did it deed, and TAF is an ordinary member again. His PM storage and Gallery storage is automatically adjust accordingly. He was not told to leave and his membership and access is in good standing. He is very welcome to stay, and invited to expand on obviious opportunities, but the free ride is over.

The way I see it, it's only fair. Zack and Mac are paying vendors, and we do very little advertising, no banner, no forum, buy we paid ther same money.

[Joe Walsh]

I can understand why this had to be done.

Many of Todd's photos included his business' logo or welded tags.
If I were a current supporting vendor, I would feel slighted by those posted photos.

In Todd's defense, I 'PM'd Todd inquiring about some custom exhaust work, and he refused to discuss/conduct business on the MM.net.

I too enjoyed the 'ON THE RACK' posts by Todd and wish there was a way to work this out.

I hope that Todd will continue to participate on this website, as he will be sorely missed if he leaves.
Joe

[gpfarrell]

I guess if the sponsors who keep mm.net afloat had issues with On the Rack, their opinions ~ accompanied by dollars ~ should carry a bit more influence.

However, I never felt that there was any sort of serious solicitation with his posts. In fact, I considered them to be an asset to mm.net... they were yet another reason to keep me checking back regularly.

Hmm, come to think of it, that "checking back regularly" seems like something the paying sponsors would like.

I appreciate the moderators protecting our sponsors... their dollars keep the ship afloat... but stripping inoffensive content from the sight is hardly an easy way to keep mm.net fresh.

Chasing folks out of the community won't help it grow, and might not even help it survive.