Close but no cigar

[PonyUP]

http://http://politicalticker.blogs....bama-may-cave/

I think this is why I get so frustrated with Washington. What Democrats aren't getting is that they do need to cave a little bit. It's ludacris to stick to your guns on the $250K mark. Small business owners will get killed by that, a middle class family living in New York or California will get killed by that.
There was a bipartisan compromise offer of extending it for everyone under $1million that seemed perfectly plausible to me.

I agree that they can't continue as placed, but a $1 mil compormise or extending them until the economy is fully back seems like the responsible thing to do.

Now I didn't start this to get more "Liberals are idiots" responses, I consider myself a liberal, but a level headed open minded liberal. The reason why I started this is I was curious about the response to the $1mil compromise suggestion.

as this site seems to be largely Republican, I'm curious if you think thats a good idea or not. Looking for spirited discussion, not more

"I'm x and y can never get it right"

[SC Cheesehead]

http://http://politicalticker.blogs....bama-may-cave/

I think this is why I get so frustrated with Washington. What Democrats aren't getting is that they do need to cave a little bit. It's ludacris to stick to your guns on the $250K mark. Small business owners will get killed by that, a middle class family living in New York or California will get killed by that.
There was a bipartisan compromise offer of extending it for everyone under $1million that seemed perfectly plausible to me.

I agree that they can't continue as placed, but a $1 mil compormise or extending them until the economy is fully back seems like the responsible thing to do.

Now I didn't start this to get more "Liberals are idiots" responses, I consider myself a liberal, but a level headed open minded liberal. The reason why I started this is I was curious about the response to the $1mil compromise suggestion.

as this site seems to be largely Republican, I'm curious if you think thats a good idea or not. Looking for spirited discussion, not more

"I'm x and y can never get it right"

a level headed open minded liberal = oxymoron. ----->

this site seems to be largely Republican... Not necessarily Republican, but definitely conservative.

BTW, fully agree with your points. FWIW, there was a wise man that once opined, "“You can’t tax your way into prosperity.” (SIGH!) Wish he were still around...

[PonyUP]

a level headed open minded liberal = oxymoron. ----->

this site seems to be largely Republican... Not necessarily Republican, but definitely conservative.

BTW, fully agree with your points. FWIW, there was a wise man that once opined, "“You can’t tax your way into prosperity.” (SIGH!) Wish he were still around...

boy is that the truth. There are times when we are 50 individual states and times when we are one nation. It makes sense that when spending goes up, the revenue coming in needs to go up via taxation. However, wouldn't it jsut make sense to cut spending. There are worthwhile programs that I think need to be funded (and in some instances like with education, completely revamped and retooled as the existing federal funding isn't working) but then there are somethings that should be cut. Like do we need to invest in "a Star Wars" Missle defense or Obamacare, no. But they seem to have a license to print damning the consequences.

though I will say I was encouraged by the number of new congress people sleeping in their offices as opposed to taking money for housing. And even though I don't agree with our new speaker on a number of things, I detest our former speaker and was glad to hear that plane will no longer be used.

[GAMike]

You can tax your way to power tho...... As long as those tax dollars are redistributed to a larger patch of citizens than ones paying the taxes..... They will keep voting for the people that allow them to be on the dole.............

This combined with buying the debt as the Fed does, and the government buying their way in on the equity side (GM, AIG ect) of the same company as they have with all the TARP $$$.

These initiatives create an environment where those in power can influence company decisions, unions within the company org., and by extension influence product decisions/consumer choice.

With this in hand the government has alot of influence over the citizenry.... Not very appealing to me regardless of whose in power......

[thathotrodlincn]

A signifivant problem with liberalisim is the liberals eventually run out out of other people's money.

[PonyUP]

A signifivant problem with liberalisim is the liberals eventually run out out of other people's money.

This doesn't hold true of all liberals, don't paint with such a broad brush. there are some liberals out there, like myself, that only want to spend the money we have and can budget for based on approval of the budget from both parties.

While both parties will never agree on the programs to spend it on entirely, there is room to accomplish both if planned correctly.

With a proper budget and finance management you could have

Health care for everyone
Tax cuts for everyone
Education Funding
and more states rights.

The problem is congress acts like a kid that got their first credit card

"You mean I can buy stuff without having the funds? Charge it"

And that's what both parties are doing. IMO,a lthough this particular administration is doing it at ALARMING rates that are scaring the hell out of me

[SC Cheesehead]

boy is that the truth. There are times when we are 50 individual states and times when we are one nation. It makes sense that when spending goes up, the revenue coming in needs to go up via taxation. However, wouldn't it just make sense to cut spending...

Hence, my oxymoron reference above...

This doesn't hold true of all liberals, don't paint with such a broad brush. there are some liberals out there, like myself, that only want to spend the money we have and can budget for based on approval of the budget from both parties.

With a proper budget and finance management you could have

Health care for everyone
Tax cuts for everyone
Education Funding
and more states rights.

I just figured it out. You're not a liberal; you, and the other "broad brush" folks you refer to are just confused conservatives...

[PonyUP]

Hence, my oxymoron reference above...



I just figured it out. You're not a liberal; you, and the other "broad brush" folks you refer to are just confused conservatives...

Maybe you're right. I think at the end of the day, for all level headed Americans, there is a lot more that unites us than divides us. The tough thing for me is that I agree with a number of things from both parties, and disagree with a number of things.

It's the extreme members on both sides that has the whole country fired up right now. I really have never seen so much resentment from the different political parties in my life. Sure, from the politicians, but there seems to be so much hatred between everyone that goes to the polls. I haven't seen this much violence at demonstrations and just general hatred since probably the 60's.

I guess part of it is a product of the 24hr agenda news stations. So many people are just sheep waiting to be lead and they spend endless hours watching these news channels, that the TV's opinion becomes their own. Whether it's CNN, Fox, MSNBC, or anyone else.

I saw a report the other day that Jimmy Carter said Fox News deliberately distorts the news to their benefit, then he threw in MSNBC so that he seemed even handed.
I hope none of the channels deliberately distorts the news (And Jimmy Carter has zero evidence) but I think all channels slant the news to their audience. The absent minded viewer takes the anger of people like Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Keith Oberman, adopts it as their own and blows it out of proportion because what they don't realize is that all of the above are just trying to get ratings.

[kernie]

Maybe you're right. I think at the end of the day, for all level headed Americans, there is a lot more that unites us than divides us. The tough thing for me is that I agree with a number of things from both parties, and disagree with a number of things.

It's the extreme members on both sides that has the whole country fired up right now. I really have never seen so much resentment from the different political parties in my life. Sure, from the politicians, but there seems to be so much hatred between everyone that goes to the polls. I haven't seen this much violence at demonstrations and just general hatred since probably the 60's.

I guess part of it is a product of the 24hr agenda news stations. So many people are just sheep waiting to be lead and they spend endless hours watching these news channels, that the TV's opinion becomes their own. Whether it's CNN, Fox, MSNBC, or anyone else.

I saw a report the other day that Jimmy Carter said Fox News deliberately distorts the news to their benefit, then he threw in MSNBC so that he seemed even handed.
I hope none of the channels deliberately distorts the news (And Jimmy Carter has zero evidence) but I think all channels slant the news to their audience. The absent minded viewer takes the anger of people like Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Keith Oberman, adopts it as their own and blows it out of proportion because what they don't realize is that all of the above are just trying to get ratings.

Perfect example, liberals need to quit trying to appease billy-bob.

[SC Cheesehead]

Perfect example, liberals need to quit trying to appease billy-bob.

Have you ever stopped to consider that Fox News isn't that far off on their reporting, and that it's the liberals demonizing the network that's really the issue?

Nope, prolly not.

Oxymoron reference #3...

[CBT]

Huffington Post, best news source. Wait, second best. Wiki-leaks is now the best source for finding the truth. Go Julian!!

[kernie]

Have you ever stopped to consider that Fox News isn't that far off on their reporting, and that it's the liberals demonizing the network that's really the issue?

Nope, prolly not.

Oxymoron reference #3...

Anyone who really believes {and i don't believe you really believe} that fox news isn't that far off the truth is well...not in the immediate neibourhood.

[PonyUP]

Let's get back on topic, I really don't want a liberal vs conservative Rocky type argument here. Waht do you guys think is the best compromise for the expiration of the Bush Tax cuts. Neither side is going to get what they want, so whats the best middle ground?

[kernie]

Let's get back on topic, I really don't want a liberal vs conservative Rocky type argument here. Waht do you guys think is the best compromise for the expiration of the Bush Tax cuts. Neither side is going to get what they want, so whats the best middle ground?

Well the only chance of that happening is if the liberal voice speaks with a very soft voice or not at all.

I won't appease anyone, ever! So good luck, i will bow out now.

[CBT]

Let's get back on topic, I really don't want a liberal vs conservative Rocky type argument here. Waht do you guys think is the best compromise for the expiration of the Bush Tax cuts. Neither side is going to get what they want, so whats the best middle ground?

Extend tax cuts to folks making less than 250,000. Extend unemployment benefits. Then tax the ever living **** out of:
1.) The companies that used to be here but shipped factories overseas to make a bigger profit.
2.) The companies that did stay here but outsource most of the online/tech/support centers out of the U.S.
3.) War profiteers.
4.) Mexico. Their biggest export is poverty, and it is exported to us, so send them a bill.

The Gov. allowed corporations to offshore or outright eliminate American jobs so **** 'em, let them keep paying unemployment benefits.

Next topic.