Big Brakes on a not-so-big Budget? YEP

[Zack]

Introducing another joint collaboration between myself and lji372 (love that guy)

Although not 100% complete in development, the meat and potatoes are here for me to share with you.
Here is the list:

GT500 Rotors from NAPA: $125 part # 880497 (You need to open the hub I.D .030, easily accomplished with a die grinder)
http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx/Brake-Rotor-Only-Front-Ultra-Premium/_/R-UBP880497_0387025606
C5 Corvette Semi-Loaded Calipers w/brackets: ~$300 (looking for better deals)
http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx/Caliper-w-Hardware-Left-Front-Eclipse-Semi-Loaded-Remfd/_/R-SEBSE5254A_0248561055
http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx/Caliper-w-Hardware-Right-Front-Eclipse-Semi-Loaded-Remfd/_/R-SEBSE5253A_0248561065
Stainless Steel Brake Lines with brackets and fittings: Todd@TCE
Ceramic Brake Pads: $95 (You can buy whatever you want)
Custom brackets with Bolts/washers: $155 Shipped

When this is all done, I will provide part numbers, links, basic instructions and all photos I have taken.
All that will be provided to you from the site is brackets. (maybe the bolts) You must look off of my provided recipe to supply the rest.

WOOOHOOOOOOOO... :bows::bows::bows: to Me & Jerry :coolman:

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Keep in mind my Calipers were modified by Baer. The calipers you will get from NAPA may say Corvette on them....Im not sure.

No more 500 dollar rotor replacements. No more $1400+ big brake price tags.

Off the shelf parts, easy recipe to make this yourself, why did it take me 10 years? :shake:

Edit 4/7/17: SO MANY PM'S asking where to buy the brackets and lines.
lji372 for Brackets
Todd@TCE for the lines.

[RR|Suki]

what are the chances the GT500 rotors are close enough to fit with an already existing Baer kit?

[Seneca]

As always excellent work!

[fastblackmerc]

How about something for the rears?

[Vortech347]

Very bad ass. Are these the 14" rotors?

[Zack]

what are the chances the GT500 rotors are close enough to fit with an already existing Baer kit?

Nope. Almost a 1/4 difference in offset

[Zack]

How about something for the rears?

I'm going to look into that next but having a functioning parking brake and keeping it relatively inexpensive is probably not going to be possible


Very bad ass. Are these the 14" rotors?

Yes they are, from a 2010 listing
I am still exploring other calipers that are better, but they are so wide on the outboard portion we would need new wheels for sure

[Zack]

The brackets for this with a gt500 rotor changed on both the x and Y axis. It's not a Baer duplicate by any means

[RR|Suki]

Nope. Almost a 1/4 difference in offset

:bigcry: Hate the rotor ring prices

[fastblackmerc]

I'm going to look into that next but having a functioning parking brake and keeping it relatively inexpensive is probably not going to be possible

Get rid of the shoes and get a caliper with an integrated parking brake.

[Logizyme]

this is awesome. Put my first in line for a set of brackets!

[Logizyme]

Maybe get with Todd/TCE for some direct fit SS brake lines?

[Zack]

Maybe get with Todd/TCE for some direct fit SS brake lines?

Why? Jegs has everything for cheaper

[Krytin]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3NrzKklYDVU/TCtkilZmPOI/AAAAAAAAAZ4/SV9Oz_jOneE/s400/arte.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&docid=F05mHF5cCG8mYM&tbnid=ymMCPpsL2A2KWM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.southbron xschool.com%2F2010_06_01_archi ve.html&ei=Et2pU_v7CcegyASZmoLICw&bvm=bv.69620078,d.b2k&psig=AFQjCNEzJAvi855MyvKcvSYen crXbIEswg&ust=1403727476748278)

Waiting for the test ride results!

[Logizyme]

What kind of modification is required to the brake lines?

[svtrichie]

Any spacer for the wheel to bolt up

[MOTOWN]

This a nice looking setup at a fraction of the cost! OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH ME LIKEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[WhatsUpDOHC]

Subscribing

[justbob]

Bows to both of you!


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[Zack]

What kind of modification is required to the brake lines?

You have to make the brake line.



Any spacer for the wheel to bolt up

Nope

[JoeBoomz]

Looks great! Definitely interested.

You guys just don't stop! Get it? Stop? :D

[massacre]

Very nice work, you two!

[grandepau00]

Awesome right up! One question. If you purchased loaded calipers, why would you need to purchase another set of pads?

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[Zack]

I thought I was going to finish tonight. I ordered the wrong adapter fittings for the stock hard line. I have inverted flare, but it's bubble flare.
Parts on the way!

[Logizyme]

Genius!!! Really great work!

[Logizyme]

I'm finding the semi-loaded calipers at about $60 with a $75 core, ones without the Corvette wording on them. It would be easy to get away with throwing our original calipers in the box as cores.

[jimlam56]

Great timing for me, I was just looking at brake upgrade options yesterday.

These will go well with my vintage "Zack and Mac" control arms...

Count me in with whatever you come up with Zack.

Not sure that a parking brake is really important?

[Zack]

This is killing me waiting. It's a perfect fit on the lines I bought, based on the mock-up I did

[blkZooM]

I wanna shake both of ya hands. About time someone is making things for these cars again

[Limited360]

Shake hands? Someone owes these guys a reach around...


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[justbob]

Unfortunately I need my parking brake... I wonder if pre 04 F150 five lug rotors would be close?


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[jimlam56]

Unfortunately I need my parking brake... I wonder if pre 04 F150 five lug rotors would be close?


Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

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Why can't you park that 6 speed in gear?
Just curious why you need your parking brake.

[Logizyme]

Any estimate of cost and ETA of the brackets? - assuming all goes well

Allot of track days coming up..

[1stMerc]

Subscribing.....

[justbob]

Why can't you park that 6 speed in gear?

Just curious why you need your parking brake.


Habit? :)


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[Zack]

Pricing will be out tomorrow

[camelgrundle]

Looks amazing!!!! Thanks for posting

[Todd TCE]

You have to make the brake line.
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Nope


Not quite seeing the value there Zack. You're at $100 without all of the adapters and only half the hoses. Seems to me you're short two hoses, three adapters, two banjos, two banjo bolts and four crush washers- you'd be north of $200 pretty quickly. And nowhere in there were any anchor brackets- those adapter have to fit into something.

And the combo of all that means five junctions: hardline to adapter, adapter to hose, hose to banjo, banjo to banjo bolt, banjo to caliper. That's a lot of things to have issues with.

No beef by me here, just saying I'm not following the math on this one. If you want to do a qty of them from me for your proposed 'kit' I'd be happy to help you.

[Spectragod]

While this does seem to be a good DIY project, and one can build it over time, thus spreading the cost out over a period of time, I am a "I want it right now" kind of guy, and will just pay the freight for a kit.

I do think Todd is right, once all the nickle and dime things start adding up, the price will climb, but all in all, I think it is great for the guy who wants to fab some of his own parts and such.

For now I'll keep my Wilwood's, but if there is a better solution, I may be persuaded into trying something different....

Good work, to both of you guy's.

[Zack]

Brackets would be 9 more dollars.
This is for the front only. I can see if an aftermarket line will work in the caliper inlet. But remember, BAER modified the caliper with an additional hole so the stock line could be used

[Zack]

I don't understand what you guys think will nickel and dime this.
I posted the prices of everything in the first post, less brackets and bolts.
There is nothing more to it, period

[Spectragod]

I don't understand what you guys think will nickel and dime this.
I posted the prices of everything in the first post, less brackets and bolts.
There is nothing more to it, period

I think if it can be pulled off for that, it would be great. But between house and car projects, I know how budget's wind up taking a back seat.... I am referring to myself and no one else, your mileage may vary.

[Zack]

I think if it can be pulled off for that, it would be great. But between house and car projects, I know how budget's wind up taking a back seat.... I am referring to myself and no one else, your mileage may vary.

I started this project last Monday.
Measured, waited for prototype brackets which I got yesterday, and now I am here.

The budget is spot on

[Spectragod]

I started this project last Monday.
Measured, waited for prototype brackets which I got yesterday, and now I am here.

The budget is spot on

Cool, the collective will thank you and Jerry, because better brakes is one thing these cars need, a cheaper price on mods is another needed option.:beer:

[champ1173]

Good job Zack! Those look pretty sweet.

[BigM460]

Unfortunately I need my parking brake... I wonder if pre 04 F150 five lug rotors would be close?


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The Infinity M56 sport rear rotors are close in a 14 inch diameter.

[djs2000mgm]

I'm going to look into that next but having a functioning parking brake and keeping it relatively inexpensive is probably not going to be possible



Yes they are, from a 2010 listing
I am still exploring other calipers that are better, but they are so wide on the outboard portion we would need new wheels for sure


You might also want to look into the C5 Z06 calipers, which are a bit larger IIRC, and, more importantly, 996 911 calipers. I've heard of/seen guys with E36s running both, as they're large/similarly cheap

[Zack]

You might also want to look into the C5 Z06 calipers, which are a bit larger IIRC, and, more importantly, 996 911 calipers. I've heard of/seen guys with E36s running both, as they're large/similarly cheap

There is no difference between a Base Corvette and z06 Calipers sir.

I will look into the other ones you mentioned.

[djs2000mgm]

Derp, my bad on the z06 setup.

[myrodr]

Why did you go with vette calipers? Why not GT500? Just wanted to know, looks like great plan!

[Zack]

Why did you go with vette calipers? Why not GT500? Just wanted to know, looks like great plan!

Because that's not affordable, nor will it fit with a stock wheel.

[Zack]

Brackets will be $140 shipped.

Trying to locate a source for bolts.

Up to $775 now. Cost can go down if we find cheaper calipers/brackets
Working on it!

$609 cheaper than buying a BAER kit

[Comin' in Hot]

Brackets will be $140 shipped.

Trying to locate a source for bolts.

Up to $775 now. Cost can go down if we find cheaper calipers/brackets
Working on it!

$609 cheaper than buying a BAER kit

Here is where I go for good bolts. They are local to me so I could pick them up if you are supplying the bolts with the brackets.

http://www.gsfasteners.com/

[Zack]

Jerry is most likely supplying the bolts with brackets.
Ill be giving him sizes tonight

[Logizyme]

Where do I pay? haha

Do you use the original caliper bracket bolts on the new adapter bracket?

[Granddaddy Marq]

I can get my hands on a set of 03 Cobra calipers. Could these be used? Or would it not be wreath the effort. Such as no more braking benefit, or the bracket would be too much trouble to modify.

[tdotcv]

Please clarify, you are not selling complete front brake kits and are only selling the brackets, is that correct?

[lji372]

Please clarify, you are not selling complete front brake kits and are only selling the brackets, is that correct?

that is correct

brackets only

[Krytin]

2004 CHEVROLET CORVETTE 5.7L V8http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/images/Gear.gifBrake/Wheel Hub : CaliperRelated PartsPOWER STOP Part # S4702 Remanufactured; Red Powder Coated Calipers w/Brackets
Front; Sold as a pair of left and right calipers
+ Sold in packs of 2 (http://www.rockauto.com/lang/en/answers.html#PACKS); Price reflects cost of each individual item, not the pack $113.79 core $75.00 $377.58

Brake/Wheel Hub : Brake PadRelated PartsCENTRIC Part # 30907310 Para-Aramid Material StopTech Street Performance Brake Pads
Front $56.79 $0.00 $56.79

2010 FORD MUSTANG 5.4L V8 Superchargedhttp://www.rockauto.com/catalog/images/Gear.gifBrake/Wheel Hub : RotorRelated PartsPOWER STOP Part # AR8173XPR Power Stop Extreme Performance Drilled and Slotted Brake Rotors (Only 6 Remaining)
Front; Base Model
Part is designed for MX Market vehicles $44.79 $0.00 $89.58
+ Sold in packs of 2 (http://www.rockauto.com/lang/en/answers.html#PACKS); Price reflects cost of each individual item, not the

Not cheaper but I like the red powder coated calipers, IF they don't say CORVETTE!

[Krytin]

I like it!
Let me know when the brackets are ready.

[Zack]

You can PM Jerry now for brackets.
You should let me drive my own car around a bit first though.
Just to be sure it all works

[Vortech347]

I can get my hands on a set of 03 Cobra calipers. Could these be used? Or would it not be wreath the effort. Such as no more braking benefit, or the bracket would be too much trouble to modify.

03 Cobra calipers don't really work that great for 03 Cobra's. They are smaller than the factory Marauder ones.

[Granddaddy Marq]

03 Cobra calipers don't really work that great for 03 Cobra's. They are smaller than the factory Marauder ones.


This is the kind'a stuff I wanted to know. Thanks

[Zack]

Next up is a brake delete kit

[JBeezy]

I'm in. Until now, I've been thinking everyday how I can justify spending $1800 for the big brake kit. Now I have 99 problems but a big brake kit ain't 1. I'm ready. Waiting on results.

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[fordmike65]

Two words: I'M IN.

[ginger]

These brackets will work on a 2004 Crown Victoria as well, correct? Bolts included as well?

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[Sully008]

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/2114219776/h9A5F6A4E/

Nice work, gentlemen. Finally a setup that won't break the bank on me. And, I can piece it together over the winter.

[Zack]

These brackets will work on a 2004 Crown Victoria as well, correct? Bolts included as well?

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Yes and most likely yes.
We are pricing bolts now

[myrodr]

This is great so $140 get brackets only? A low cost start to bigger brakes,I'm ready to start as soon as we hear how this set-up works out!:)

[JBeezy]

I'm wondering if this will work. I went to advance auto parts and searched for 2001 corvette vin s front brake calipers and came up with remanded calipers for $89 ea. Will these work for what we are trying to do? Plus we could get an online discount code from brads deals and get them even cheaper.

http://m.advanceautoparts.com/mt/shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/remanufactured-disc-brake-caliper-front-left-slc442/20621085-P?searchTerm=brake+caliper+-+front

Description

Part No:*SLC442 ***

Warranty*(LIMITED LIFETIME REPLACEMENT)

Product Features:

Premium Unloaded/Semi-Loaded/LoadedOEM Grade Rubber ComponentsCorrect OEM Specified Piston MaterialEssential Mounting Hardware IncludedExclusive Rustproof Coating

Product Application(s):

2001 Chevrolet CorvetteReman. Caliper w/Installation Hardware & Bracket; Front Left; with Metal Piston; Supplied with Mounting Bracket




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[martyo]

Next up is a brake delete kit

Video of you test driving this set up, or it didn't happen. :P

[Zack]

I'm wondering if this will work. I went to advance auto parts and searched for 2001 corvette vin s front brake calipers and came up with remanded calipers for $89 ea. Will these work for what we are trying to do? Plus we could get an online discount code from brads deals and get them even cheaper.

http://m.advanceautoparts.com/mt/shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/remanufactured-disc-brake-caliper-front-left-slc442/20621085-P?searchTerm=brake+caliper+-+front

Description

Part No:*SLC442 ***

Warranty*(LIMITED LIFETIME REPLACEMENT)

Product Features:

Premium Unloaded/Semi-Loaded/LoadedOEM Grade Rubber ComponentsCorrect OEM Specified Piston MaterialEssential Mounting Hardware IncludedExclusive Rustproof Coating

Product Application(s):

2001 Chevrolet CorvetteReman. Caliper w/Installation Hardware & Bracket; Front Left; with Metal Piston; Supplied with Mounting Bracket




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You are correct sir. I only buy brake parts from NAPA so considering anything else was not even an option for me.
You can get both sides with free shipping and enter the current promotion for $218.
I have a secret code I always use, and can get them down to $193, but I am not sharing it.

[JBeezy]

You are correct sir. I only buy brake parts from NAPA so considering anything else was not even an option for me.
You can get both sides with free shipping and enter the current promotion for $218.
I have a secret code I always use, and can get them down to $193, but I am not sharing it.
Good to know. Thanks!

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[ChiTownMaraud3r]

Vids of you aggressively autocrossing the car with these brakes or it didn't happen.

[Zack]

Brackets with bolts/washers will be $155 shipped.
Both will come straight from Jerry.

[martyo]

Both will come straight from Jerry.

I saw what you did there.

You used "straight" and Jerry in the same sentence. That takes mad skillz!

[JBeezy]

Brackets with bolts/washers will be $155 shipped.
Both will come straight from Jerry.
How soon will the brackets and bolts be avail? when will the testing be done?

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[Zack]

I'm wrapping up the brake line tonight.
If it doesn't leak, and it stops, testing is over

[JBeezy]

Awesome. Can't wait to hear back. I'm ready to at least get my first part ordered so I can say my long awaited brake upgrade is under way.

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[Sully008]

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the new setup, Zack. This should be a nice upgrade from what I'm currently running.

[Zack]

It's no different than anyone who has a Baer kit.

[Logizyme]

We need to find powdercoated calipers that dont say Corvette on them.

I can find non-coated calipers without the lettering but not coated.

[Vortech347]

So just get the non-coated and then have a local shop do it. Most places around here charge 20-30$ for calipers to be coated.

[JBeezy]

I plan on painting mine with caliper paint. Not sure what color yet.

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[Logizyme]

Having them coated locally is an option, but depending on the finish they have they may need to be stripped or blasted, which may also require them to be disassembled and rebuilt. All of which increases turn around time and is inconvenient. Where as precoated calipers would be extremely convienent and have the potential to be more cost effective.

Still, if no other option is possible local will work.

[djs2000mgm]

I'm also reasonably sure I know the answer to this, but any chance of developing some to work on 02- panthers as well? I know the market isn't as big as it is for the 03+/Marauder, but you could probably sell a few of them

[Zack]

I'm also reasonably sure I know the answer to this, but any chance of developing some to work on 02- panthers as well? I know the market isn't as big as it is for the 03+/Marauder, but you could probably sell a few of them

Someone makes a kit for that already

[djs2000mgm]

Someone makes a kit for that already

Who? Besides the $3500 AP stillen kit, that is....

[a_d_a_m]

I'm at $649 using Wearevers from Advance Auto Parts (IIRC they are lifetime), and $567 going cheap-ass on RockAuto without warranty. That's all-in with bolts, brackets, hoses, and fittings; shipped.

The question is: does buying the cheaper rotors/pads/calipers negate the whole point of doing this project?

[JBeezy]

I'm at $649 using Wearevers from Advance Auto Parts (IIRC they are lifetime), and $567 going cheap-ass on RockAuto without warranty. That's all-in with bolts, brackets, hoses, and fittings; shipped.

The question is: does buying the cheaper rotors/pads/calipers negate the whole point of doing this project?
Great question. I want to know the same thing.

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[martyo]

I'm at $649 using Wearevers from Advance Auto Parts (IIRC they are lifetime), and $567 going cheap-ass on RockAuto without warranty. That's all-in with bolts, brackets, hoses, and fittings; shipped.

The question is: does buying the cheaper rotors/pads/calipers negate the whole point of doing this project?

That begs the eternal question: Does size matter?

[a_d_a_m]

That begs the eternal question: Does size matter? I'm not allowed to discuss that on this website. :D

[Spectragod]

The question is: does buying the cheaper rotors/pads/calipers negate the whole point of doing this project?

Cheaper is always better, that's why Gov't always goes with low bid, because the quality is better. :lol:

Then I look at this thread, and I see many people who made fun of a certain member for cutting corners on his Marauder, doing the same thing. Good grief..... a big brake kit has been put in front of you guys, and your looking for ways to cheapen up the cost, I mean it's just brakes, those aren't important at all, good spot to cut corners, what's next, used motor oil? :rolleyes: :D

[Logizyme]

What do you mean by cheaper rotors? As long as they are the correct fitment for the gt500. Cheaper rotors will be more prone to warp and wear but overall effectiveness shouldn't be much different.

[JBeezy]

I'm not looking for cheaper, I just want some slotted or cross drilled. The price is great

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[a_d_a_m]

I see many people who made fun of a certain member for cutting corners on his Marauder, doing the same thing. Good grief..... a big brake kit has been put in front of you guys, and your looking for ways to cheapen up the cost Zack said he exclusively uses NAPA brake parts. I don't use NAPA for anything unless it's a last resort. I'm not looking for used brakes, or the cheapest. I'm shopping around, because I'm not made of money and if I can drop the price on this by $50-100, guess what? That's $50-100 I can put toward something else I might need or want.

Either way, it's dialogue about a project that is currently in development. Dialogue that might help some other people who aren't made of money.

You wanna compare me to someone else? For reference, I paid for every car I've owned. I've never put kerosene in any of my cars. I've never detailed them with Windex, and I've never had to replace a motor...and I almost always spin my own wrenches, even when a repair is out of my comfort zone. Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd I run full syn at 3000 intervals with a FL820S. Capiche?


Either way, from the original post:

C5 Corvette Semi-Loaded Calipers w/brackets: ~$300 (looking for better deals)
Ceramic Brake Pads: $95 (You can buy whatever you want)

[justbob]

I've found Advance wearevers to work extremely well on mine. I actually just installed them right on to my 4 year old unturned ebay slotted and drilled rotors last year and simply can't believe the nose dive stops. No comparison at all to the factory crap it came with.

I don't think price is a real driving force if your already in 5-600. I like to save where I can as I've sat back and watched others upset at paying the piper only to have the piper blowing his flute up their bungholes. Don't get me wrong, the first things I research out are the highest dollar amount and have no problem at all saving up for it and I normally prefer the best at any cost. But personnel preference and walking the offbeaten path (like purchasing a MM in the first place...) usually decide the purchase.


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[gdsqdcr]

Zack
Thanks for the effort on this! I am on vacation so buying and searching parts will not happen right now (though looking at MM.net is!); but when I get home it is shopping time.

Question on the brackets? Do we need to send you a core or anything like that?

[Zack]

Slotted gt500 rotors are astronomically priced.
Got one brake line done. About 1/2 inch from the tire at full turn, but I have a 255 up front. 235's will be a dandy fit

[Zack]

Zack
Thanks for the effort on this! I am on vacation so buying and searching parts will not happen right now (though looking at MM.net is!); but when I get home it is shopping time.

Question on the brackets? Do we need to send you a core or anything like that?

Brackets are brand new, machined by Jerry. So no

[a_d_a_m]

I have a 255 up front. I had 255/55/18 on the Marq and it rubbed like a MFer.

I will have to call Federated and see what their price/brands are. Sometimes they're surprising.

[Zack]

Finished up and drove it. It works!
It needs more bleeding though, but even with a spongy pedal the braking is so much better with no fade. More when I bleed the brakes again (tomorrow because my helper isn't home)
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn306/Marauder-Z/Marauder%20Repairs/65CCB017-D7DE-49AE-A5BB-121EF9AD0351_zpsq59ltysf.jpg (http://s307.photobucket.com/user/Marauder-Z/media/Marauder%20Repairs/65CCB017-D7DE-49AE-A5BB-121EF9AD0351_zpsq59ltysf.jpg.h tml)
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http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn306/Marauder-Z/Marauder%20Repairs/C6E83C03-48B3-41E1-BF91-BDAFD250F9E5_zps9b4skncj.jpg (http://s307.photobucket.com/user/Marauder-Z/media/Marauder%20Repairs/C6E83C03-48B3-41E1-BF91-BDAFD250F9E5_zps9b4skncj.jpg.h tml)
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn306/Marauder-Z/Marauder%20Repairs/430977AB-0913-4EEA-B90E-7E1508F855CB_zpsasgwekkb.jpg (http://s307.photobucket.com/user/Marauder-Z/media/Marauder%20Repairs/430977AB-0913-4EEA-B90E-7E1508F855CB_zpsasgwekkb.jpg.h tml)
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn306/Marauder-Z/Marauder%20Repairs/D0164F56-33FA-4105-BBD8-C50B6ADA56E1_zpsrxzux74k.jpg (http://s307.photobucket.com/user/Marauder-Z/media/Marauder%20Repairs/D0164F56-33FA-4105-BBD8-C50B6ADA56E1_zpsrxzux74k.jpg.h tml)
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn306/Marauder-Z/Marauder%20Repairs/2A447032-94DE-4C10-94C1-A24AFCAE80BB_zps1dboek7v.jpg (http://s307.photobucket.com/user/Marauder-Z/media/Marauder%20Repairs/2A447032-94DE-4C10-94C1-A24AFCAE80BB_zps1dboek7v.jpg.h tml)
I know, my tire is low

[Zack]

For the record:
The brake line parts I chose are hard to position properly and clear everything.
INSTALL AT YOUR OWN RISK

[ajdereicup]

OOOOOoooooo I like this a lot. Making me want to throw some money at some people

[jimlam56]

I've found Advance wearevers to work extremely well on mine. I actually just installed them right on to my 4 year old unturned ebay slotted and drilled rotors last year and simply can't believe the nose dive stops. No comparison at all to the factory crap it came with.

I don't think price is a real driving force if your already in 5-600. I like to save where I can as I've sat back and watched others upset at paying the piper only to have the piper blowing his flute up their bungholes. Don't get me wrong, the first things I research out are the highest dollar amount and have no problem at all saving up for it and I normally prefer the best at any cost. But personnel preference and walking the offbeaten path (like purchasing a MM in the first place...) usually decide the purchase.


Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
"Since 2004"

Don't these Advance rotors/pads carry a lifetime warranty?

[jimlam56]

For the record:
The brake line parts I chose are hard to position properly and clear everything.
INSTALL AT YOUR OWN RISK
Why did you choose them?

[Serge]

Just watching this from the side lines.

What about calipers from a Challenger or Charger SRT? I think they use 14" rotors as well.

[Zack]

Why did you choose them?

Ever build a brake line?
It's a shot in the dark. I got them to work.

The jist of my message was this:
These are your brakes, with your passengers.
I am not advertising any of this other than I did it successfully, and the brackets to do so are for sale.

If anyone does this brake upgrade and comes up with a better brake line solution, please post your parts list.
Or drive to Todd at TCE and have him make a kit specific line

[jwibbity]

a question un-asked is a question un-answered

The SS brake lines from Todd wont work this?!?

[jimlam56]

Ever build a brake line?
It's a shot in the dark. I got them to work.

The jist of my message was this:
These are your brakes, with your passengers.
I am not advertising any of this other than I did it successfully, and the brackets to do so are for sale.

If anyone does this brake upgrade and comes up with a better brake line solution, please post your parts list.
Or drive to Todd at TCE and have him make a kit specific line

Zack, you may have misread my intention of the question.
I know you are a smart guy, just wondered why you chose the components you did, and what you would do different next time.

[Zack]

If I lived at Jegs, I would try everything.
It's simple to make a brake line when the wheel is pointing straight ahead.
When you turn the wheel, the line does wierd things.
There are many engineering factors that go into making an Oem or aftermarket brake line

[Zack]

I have tell you guys this stuff so I can sleep at night.
The last thing I want anyone to do is use the parts I recommended and install them improperly. Positioning is everything, and time needs to be spent making sure nothing touches a moving part in every aspect of wheel travel.

[Zack]

a question un-asked is a question un-answered

The SS brake lines from Todd wont work this?!?

No. Baer machines a new hole in their kits to retain the stock line geometry.
That just isn't feasible here, unless you want to have it done by a machine shop.

[lji372]

No. Baer machines a new hole in their kits to retain the stock line geometry.
That just isn't feasible here, unless you want to have it done by a machine shop.

The answer is no :D

[jwibbity]

No. Baer machines a new hole in their kits to retain the stock line geometry.
That just isn't feasible here, unless you want to have it done by a machine shop.


The answer is no :D

but Zack is so sexy when he speaks all technical :P:P

[drobin]

Zack,

Still driving around with my KVR front and rear brake mod setup with 26K on the odometer and appox 12K on the brake system. Realizing that I'm on borrowered time with this setup, do I have the option of re-building this setup and where do I obtain the caliper re-build kits, rotors, pads, etc?
Incidentally, I flush system once a year and pads have virtually no wear on them.

Thanks,
Donald (drobin

[Logizyme]

If one were careful to clean all the metal out of the caliper it could be drilled and tapped for proper port fitting at home.

Corvette caliper port fitting is 10x1mm ours is 3/8-24, simply drill and tap in the same location of the caliper that baer did.

[Zack]

If one were careful to clean all the metal out of the caliper it could be drilled and tapped for proper port fitting at home.

Corvette caliper port fitting is 10x1mm ours is 3/8-24, simply drill and tap in the same location of the caliper that baer did.

Yes but you also have to machine a perfectly flat portion for the crush washer to seat. (You probably don't need to, but that's the correct way)

[Zack]

Zack,

Still driving around with my KVR front and rear brake mod setup with 26K on the odometer and appox 12K on the brake system. Realizing that I'm on borrowered time with this setup, do I have the option of re-building this setup and where do I obtain the caliper re-build kits, rotors, pads, etc?
Incidentally, I flush system once a year and pads have virtually no wear on them.

Thanks,
Donald (drobin


Sorry I can't answer your questions.
Maybe 03mmmonroe can help. He has that setup

[justbob]

Don't these Advance rotors/pads carry a lifetime warranty?


Yes. I also use them and the rotors on my work E250. With it always fully loaded, constantly cut off in traffic, and me driving, I can vouch its a no questions asked warranty..

I only tried them on my stuff because I get home delivery and it's convenient. Simply put I expected average and the results far exceeded that, even on old unturned rotors.


Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
"Since 2004"

[stevengerard]

I have the old KVRs on my front as well thus following this thread. The calipers are 2004 Corvette, I'm still trying to find out what the rotors are from - they seem to be possibly from a 2001 Porsche - maybe the SUV.


Zack,

Still driving around with my KVR front and rear brake mod setup with 26K on the odometer and appox 12K on the brake system. Realizing that I'm on borrowered time with this setup, do I have the option of re-building this setup and where do I obtain the caliper re-build kits, rotors, pads, etc?
Incidentally, I flush system once a year and pads have virtually no wear on them.

Thanks,
Donald (drobin

[Zack]

I have the old KVRs on my front as well thus following this thread. The calipers are 2004 Corvette, I'm still trying to find out what the rotors are from - they seem to be possibly from a 2001 Porsche - maybe the SUV.

You have a 2 piece rotor IIRC

[djs2000mgm]

So, I might've missed the answer, but who already did a budget big brake kit for 02- cars?

Only kit i know of is the $3500 stillen kit.

[Zack]

I'm also reasonably sure I know the answer to this, but any chance of developing some to work on 02- panthers as well? I know the market isn't as big as it is for the 03+/Marauder, but you could probably sell a few of them


So, I might've missed the answer, but who already did a budget big brake kit for 02- cars?

Only kit i know of is the $3500 stillen kit.


Your first question did not specify a budget brake kit.

I have a 93 Town Car I'm building this winter. l'll eventually look into the brakes on that, but that is at the bottom of my priority list.
Back on track now...

[crouse]

a question un-asked is a question un-answered

The SS brake lines from Todd wont work this?!?

Hi Zack, Just wondering if this question got answered? I also have the TCE brake lines.

[crouse]

And what I would love would be a caliper like the Willwoods where you can pull the pads from the top without having to remove the caliper to change pads. I run a lot of Auto Cross events and changing pads is time consuming.

[71cyclone]

And what I would love would be a caliper like the Willwoods where you can pull the pads from the top without having to remove the caliper to change pads. I run a lot of Auto Cross events and changing pads is time consuming.
Great / This is the way Jaguar S type R's are made:burnout:

[fastblackmerc]

And what I would love would be a caliper like the Willwoods where you can pull the pads from the top without having to remove the caliper to change pads. I run a lot of Auto Cross events and changing pads is time consuming.


Great / This is the way Jaguar S type R's are made:burnout:

That's what you get with the TCE big brake upgrade.

[Zack]

Hi Zack, Just wondering if this question got answered? I also have the TCE brake lines.

Already answered that. No.
However, I did not physically bolt up the line and try to position it. I set it in place during a mockup and it didnt look promising.


And what I would love would be a caliper like the Willwoods where you can pull the pads from the top without having to remove the caliper to change pads. I run a lot of Auto Cross events and changing pads is time consuming.

As FBM said, the wildwood calipers do that.

[drobin]

You have a 2 piece rotor IIRC

Zack,

Explain what you mean by IIRC rotor.

Thanks,
drobin

[fastblackmerc]

Zack,

Explain what you mean by IIRC rotor.

Thanks,
drobin

If I Remember Correctly

[JBeezy]

Great / This is the way Jaguar S type R's are made:burnout:
Same way on my aerospace component brake upgrade on my '93 Mustang

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk

[marauderthis]

Impressive

[Logizyme]

Pretty much all modern fixed caliper brake pads can be serviced without removal of the caliper.

[Spectragod]

Pretty much all modern fixed caliper brake pads can be serviced without removal of the caliper.

While that may be true, these cars have floating caliper(s), and to use fixed on the rear of a solid axle car, requires some machine work to keep the axles fixed with minimal runout.

[Spectragod]

Zack said he exclusively uses NAPA brake parts. I don't use NAPA for anything unless it's a last resort. I'm not looking for used brakes, or the cheapest. I'm shopping around, because I'm not made of money and if I can drop the price on this by $50-100, guess what? That's $50-100 I can put toward something else I might need or want.

Either way, it's dialogue about a project that is currently in development. Dialogue that might help some other people who aren't made of money.

You wanna compare me to someone else? For reference, I paid for every car I've owned. I've never put kerosene in any of my cars. I've never detailed them with Windex, and I've never had to replace a motor...and I almost always spin my own wrenches, even when a repair is out of my comfort zone. Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd I run full syn at 3000 intervals with a FL820S. Capiche?


Either way, from the original post:

I don't remember singling you out...... :confused:

You know what they say, the one's worried about it are the one's that are doing it...... just sayin' :rolleyes: :D

[lji372]

I don't remember singling you out...... :confused:

You know what they say, the one's worried about it are the one's that are doing it...... just sayin' :rolleyes: :D

Are you cheating on me :D

[a_d_a_m]

I don't remember singling you out...... :confused: Gee, wonder how I might've inferred that you were. Maybe because you quoted my post in your response?

HMMMMMMMMMMMMM... :shake:

[Zack]

I bled the brakes again and the pedal is still meh. The pedal wasn't so good to start though.
I need to have the brakes bled with a scan tool that cycles the abs pump.
I'll drive it again tomorrow if the weather is good

[chief455]

I'm watching this, hoping it will grow into brackets, bolts and lines made to fit suggested calipers = no custom work need = bolt on kit.
Please?

[Vortech347]

Dumb question but is the stock master cylinder and brake booster have enough port size and travel for the extra size/capacity of the calipers?

[Zack]

Dumb question but is the stock master cylinder and brake booster have enough port size and travel for the extra size/capacity of the calipers?

Yes of course.

I have been thinking....
14" rotor, stock caliper, brake bleeding with scan tool cycling the abs solenoids.
Could be a win?

[Zack]

I'm watching this, hoping it will grow into brackets, bolts and lines made to fit suggested calipers = no custom work need = bolt on kit.
Please?

I'm not a business. I provide ideas.
I make stuff for people not afraid to get their hands dirty.

Unless someone has a specific brake line made, it's going to be fab your own

[BigM460]

I have been thinking....
14" rotor, stock caliper, brake bleeding with scan tool cycling the abs solenoids.
Could be a win?

I have been running that for over a year now.
The issue is clearance of the caliper bracket for the 14" gt500 rotor.

[Zack]

I have been running that for over a year now.
The issue is clearance of the caliper bracket for the 14" gt500 rotor.

Show us pics. Never heard of anyone having this before you

[BigM460]

Show us pics. Never heard of anyone having this before you

Very dirty as it's a DD but.......

[BigM460]

Show us pics. Never heard of anyone having this before you

Made a bracket in steel that looks like this one in wood.

[Logizyme]

I bled the brakes again and the pedal is still meh. The pedal wasn't so good to start though.
I need to have the brakes bled with a scan tool that cycles the abs pump.
I'll drive it again tomorrow if the weather is good

Sounds like you need more break in. Did you go with ceramic? How many miles have you put on it?

[Zack]

Sounds like you need more break in. Did you go with ceramic? How many miles have you put on it?

I drove it less than a mile lol. I never use the car

[Zack]

Made a bracket in steel that looks like this one in wood.

Awesome. Good work.
How does it stop?

[BigM460]

Awesome. Good work.
How does it stop?

Stops very well!
Work involved to bolt everything up. Does not just go on.

[JBeezy]

Stops very well!
Work involved to bolt everything up. Does not just go on.
Please be more specific on this said work...

[chief455]

I'm not a business. I provide ideas.
I make stuff for people not afraid to get their hands dirty.

Unless someone has a specific brake line made, it's going to be fab your own
Todd offered to make up lines - maybe when you're confidence level of the set up is their, give him your brake line specs and he can offer them to compliment your idea/parts?
It's great that you guys put into the community, truly.

[crouse]

I bled the brakes again and the pedal is still meh. The pedal wasn't so good to start though.
I need to have the brakes bled with a scan tool that cycles the abs pump.
I'll drive it again tomorrow if the weather is good

Zack, Have you tried bleeding the master cylinder? There is a bleeder on the side of the master cylinder. Curt

[Zack]

Todd offered to make up lines - maybe when you're confidence level of the set up is their, give him your brake line specs and he can offer them to compliment your idea/parts?
It's great that you guys put into the community, truly.

You need a car in a shop to make a brake line. You can't send 'specs'
Lol

[Logizyme]

I drove it less than a mile lol. I never use the car

Don't worry about the pedal then. Spend 10 miles doing up to 50mph down to 20mph over and over agian, the pedal will feel much better after that, and if its still not to your liking then try your bleeding ideas.

[Zack]

Bled everything tonight including the master cylinder. Feels good now. Will drive tomorrow if the weather permits

[lifespeed]

Keep the IDS tool bleed in the back of your mind. I drove around for a year with an "acceptable" pedal feel after doing a big brake upgrade. It is pretty easy to get air in the ABS after having the brakes open like that. After an IDS bleed pedal feel went from OK to correct.

Good job on the creative engineering, looking forward to drive test and wear (pad transfer, pulsing) observations after 5K - 10K miles.

[Zack]

I'm lucky if I put 800 miles on in a year

[lji372]

Okay folks may as well make this the order thread as well

Quote this post and add your name to the list.
As Zack stated your car your passengers, you are dining this at your own risk.
You are messing with the most important safety feature of your car. If you are even a little hesitant at your abilities please do not do this project.

Stock is on the floor, bolts and washers have been ordered. These should be all done and ready for shipping on Friday at the latest (I'm really shooting for Tuesday, Wednesday but things never go as planned)

Paypal as gift to:
Lji_372@yahoo.com

Copy the list and add your name to it.....

1.myrodr
2.
3.
4.
5.
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[Zack]

Drove it around a bit. Stops good.
However, I really think my car needs an IDS bleed
There is too much mush in the pedal IMHO

Will get that done as soon as time allows

[Zack]

Drive another 15 miles. It's starting to stop REALLY well
I don't even have 100% pad contact yet.
Win

[chief455]

Okay folks may as well make this the order thread as well

Brackets with bolts/washers will be $155 shipped.
Both will come straight from Jerry.

Quote this post and add your name to the list.
As Zack stated your car your passengers, you are dining this at your own risk.
You are messing with the most important safety feature of your car. If you are even a little hesitant at your abilities please do not do this project.

Stock is on the floor, bolts and washers have been ordered. These should be all done and ready for shipping on Friday at the latest (I'm really shooting for Tuesday, Wednesday but things never go as planned)

Paypal as gift to:
Lji_372@yahoo.com

Copy the list and add your name to it.....

1.myrodr
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.

Added cost and parts included from earlier post.

[lji372]

Added cost and parts included from earlier post.

You forgot to add your name to the list :D

[chief455]

You forgot to add your name to the list :D
COT....BRAKE BRACKETS...TICKET FOR EXCESSIVE NOISE:dunno:

I'll be on the list once my mind stops spinning:eek:

[stevengerard]

Delayed response, sorry

answer is yes. Two piece rotor on the KVR's


You have a 2 piece rotor IIRC

[myrodr]

OK so BigM460 runs stock caliper but 20" wheels. Zack's set-up keeps stock wheels.GT500 rears are only around .200 bigger to much work for to little. Zack's set-up looks like a win to me!

[Zack]

Things to know:
You will need to grind down the aluminum so the bracket sits correctly and the bolts thread in. Pretty self explanatory.... When you can thread the bolts in, you have ground down enough.

Also, look closely to the pic. You will need to grind a small relief where I did so the abutment bracket sits perfectly.
(My holes were enlarged for the cobra brakes on the car before this. Yours will not look this way)

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn306/Marauder-Z/Marauder%20Repairs/D4B48C95-F21A-47AF-A1AF-1AF299C50DF2_zpsztfn7uji.jpg (http://s307.photobucket.com/user/Marauder-Z/media/Marauder%20Repairs/D4B48C95-F21A-47AF-A1AF-1AF299C50DF2_zpsztfn7uji.jpg.h tml)

Another pic of grinding:
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn306/Marauder-Z/Marauder%20Repairs/5FFFFEA6-62C1-4148-8195-09E95FBB714F_zpsvjibhchr.jpg (http://s307.photobucket.com/user/Marauder-Z/media/Marauder%20Repairs/5FFFFEA6-62C1-4148-8195-09E95FBB714F_zpsvjibhchr.jpg.h tml)

The factory dust shield will also need to be removed for this.

[myrodr]

Any thoughts on a dust shield? GT500/modified MM

[Vortech347]

Why? you'll have better cooling without the shield. Unless you go off-roading frequently with your Marauder don't worry about it.

[Zack]

Im driving the car to work tomorrow and most likely having the IDS bleed done after work.

[myrodr]

Great can't wait to hear if the bleed is the fix! My o.c.d makes me think it should be there but no biggie if I need to lose it.

[Logizyme]

Things to know:
You will need to grind down the aluminum so the bracket sits correctly and the bolts thread in. Pretty self explanatory.... When you can thread the bolts in, you have ground down enough.

Also, look closely to the pic. You will need to grind a small relief where I did so the abutment bracket sits perfectly.
(My holes were enlarged for the cobra brakes on the car before this. Yours will not look this way)
The factory dust shield will also need to be removed for this.

I'm not fully getting where it needs to be grinded, I get the part about notching the ear to allow room for the bracket, but can you be more specific about the first part?

[Mike M]

Watching this thread closely. I started planning this about a year ago as one of my friends imported a bunch of billet brake calipers from Australia and was doing conversions on to Nissan 240sx and also installing LS2 engines in them. He later used Nissan 370 brakes. He did all the machining. He offered to make the adapters for my car. I was looking at these Mercedes 4 piston calipers that only cost $61.75.

The next step I was going to take was to get my hands on a extra spindle that we could do the mock up on.

I will wait and see how this turns out.

I assume 14" is the biggest we can go in rotor size?

Does anyone have a spindle they want to sell?

[crouse]

I'm not fully getting where it needs to be grinded, I get the part about notching the ear to allow room for the bracket, but can you be more specific about the first part?

Dumb question. Why can't your bracket be modified instead of grinding material off our cars? What if someone decides to put their old calipers back on?

[lji372]

..................

[Zack]

The Baer kit requires the exact same grinding. And yes, you can re-install your stock calipers if you so choose.

I'm still at work, going on 19 hours now. I managed to get out to do the IDS brake bleed

Good and bad news. My pedal is now low and all the symptoms of a bad master cylinder are present.
However, if while coming to a stop I lightly pump the brakes a few times, the car nose dives to a stop.

The brakes work, well.
Modify with confidence!

[justbob]

Is this on black or blue? Just curious.


Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
"Since 2004"

[Zack]

On the blue.
While driving home, I had to do a panic stop.
The brakes bit down HARD and activated the abs solenoids.
It stops great!

[Zack]

Found a brake line!!!!
Read here
www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1397896#post1 397896

[lji372]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/08/te3uny7y.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/08/by9a7amy.jpg


They're done!!!!!!

[Zack]

You're awesome jerry

[Sully008]

Oooh, pretty! Question, I might have a lead on spindles off of a 2003 Town Car so I don't trash my stock ones. These should be the same, correct?

[Zack]

Oooh, pretty! Question, I might have a lead on spindles off of a 2003 Town Car so I don't trash my stock ones. These should be the same, correct?

You arent trashing anything, just doing some grinding.
You can go back to stock and you will never know anything was done. Just rivet the dust shield back on and that's it.

[Sully008]

You arent trashing anything, just doing some grinding.
You can go back to stock and you will never know anything was done. Just rivet the dust shield back on and that's it.

Hah, you don't know me and tools very well, lol. I always like to keep a second set of anything I'm attempting to work on. Wish I could do that with an engine.

It seems easy enough. Will be PM'ing lji372 for the brackets soon.

[Logizyme]

Yes steering knuckle is the same.

[Sully008]

Yes steering knuckle is the same.

Cool! Thanks for the info.

[Logizyme]

Man I just got so excited, I had a 2014 Police Interceptor Taurus come in, and I started looking at the brakes, then measurements, spec's, prices, more specs, then shot down.

Rotors are 352mm X 32.0mm (13.85" X 1.25") ie referred to as 14in brakes in WSM
Calipers are two piston, aluminum, sized for 14", and maintain the same port angle/location/thread size

Brakes are the same for both HD/SHO Taurus and HD/Sport Explorers. Rotors are competitively priced, and calipers are even much cheaper than the corvette, replacement parts will be available for a long time, performance parts are already available with more and more all the time, the matched caliper and rotor will keep fitment issues to a minimum, the caliper sits with more than a fingerlength space between it and the 18" steel wheel, but caliper fitment would still need to be checked. Painted calipers from the SHO and Explorer Sport are obtainable.

So got into more specs and sizing, lug spacing the same, stud size the same, but centerbore is where everything goes wrong. The 2011+ Explorer/Taurus have a 63mm hub centerbore compared to our 71mm, meaning the rotors wont fit over our hub centerbore. So unless someone wants to cut/machine a larger bore in the rotors, they wont work. The calipers though might be a good option, since they are same/larger than the corvette, maintain the same port location as ours, and are just as cost effective, and would still fit over the gt500 rotor.

Maybe something you guys are interested in looking into?

[Zack]

Man I just got so excited, I had a 2014 Police Interceptor Taurus come in, and I started looking at the brakes, then measurements, spec's, prices, more specs, then shot down.

Rotors are 352mm X 32.0mm (13.85" X 1.25") ie referred to as 14in brakes in WSM
Calipers are two piston, aluminum, sized for 14", and maintain the same port angle/location/thread size

Brakes are the same for both HD/SHO Taurus and HD/Sport Explorers. Rotors are competitively priced, and calipers are even much cheaper than the corvette, replacement parts will be available for a long time, performance parts are already available with more and more all the time, the matched caliper and rotor will keep fitment issues to a minimum, the caliper sits with more than a fingerlength space between it and the 18" steel wheel, but caliper fitment would still need to be checked. Painted calipers from the SHO and Explorer Sport are obtainable.

So got into more specs and sizing, lug spacing the same, stud size the same, but centerbore is where everything goes wrong. The 2011+ Explorer/Taurus have a 63mm hub centerbore compared to our 71mm, meaning the rotors wont fit over our hub centerbore. So unless someone wants to cut/machine a larger bore in the rotors, they wont work. The calipers though might be a good option, since they are same/larger than the corvette, maintain the same port location as ours, and are just as cost effective, and would still fit over the gt500 rotor.

Maybe something you guys are interested in looking into?


The GT500 rotor used in this project needs to be opened up with a die grinder. 3 thousandths
As stated in the first post.

[lji372]

.003 uh oh :eek:

FYI: I have one set of brake brackets that will be sold to highest bidder via pm :D

[Logizyme]

.003 uh oh :eek:


Yea .003" is nothing compared to .3"(71mm-63mm)

Not sure how much the rotor offset is different, but the centerbore still puts the 2014 Interceptor rotor as unconventional.

How many brackets did you make?

[Zack]

Maybe it's .03. Either way it takes 2 minutes with a die grinder

[Spectragod]

Yea .003" is nothing compared to .3"(71mm-63mm)

Not sure how much the rotor offset is different, but the centerbore still puts the 2014 Interceptor rotor as unconventional.

My old man's a TV repairman and has this ultimate set of tools.......we can "fix it".

QN_Nod65e7o

[crouse]

Zack, Are brackets/bolts still available or did I miss out? Thanks, Curt

[Zack]

Zack, Are brackets/bolts still available or did I miss out? Thanks, Curt

Yes. Pm lji372
He has it all

[Logizyme]

Maybe it's .03. Either way it takes 2 minutes with a die grinder

Mustang bore is 71.0mm ours is 71.7mm so yeah it would be .03"

[lji372]

Paypal as gift to:
Lji_372@yahoo.com

Copy the list and add your name to it.....

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[Green96]

Paypal as gift to:
Lji_372@yahoo.com

Copy the list and add your name to it.....

1.Sully08 (shipped to canada)
2.myrodr
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I am in.

[lji372]

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they are ready to go, just paypal the money :beatnik:

[lji372]

Paypal as gift to:
Lji_372@yahoo.com

Copy the list and add your name to it.....

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[myrodr]

Can not wait to see these in my hands!!!!!

[JBeezy]

Maybe when this is all said and done Zack can update the first post with all the details for grinding and etc... :-)

[lji372]

Maybe when this is all said and done Zack can update the first post with all the details for grinding and etc... :-)

He has .03 out of the id of the gt500 rotor and Todd is doing the brake lines.

Brackets are done and come with bolts and washers.

What else is unknown :dunno:

[JBeezy]

I'm just messing. I think I read about a little grinding on the spindle...

[lji372]

I'm just messing. I think I read about a little grinding on the spindle...

Just a hair for a purrfect fit:banana2:

[lji372]

Paypal as gift to:
Lji_372@yahoo.com

Copy the list and add your name to it.....

1.Sully08 (shipped to canada) paid!
2.Green96 paid!
3.myrodr paid!!
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please always put your mailing address in with the paypal or delays in shipping will be certain to occur thx

[Green96]

I did and the other one had already shipped so I think I know who didn't.... For shame mtrodr, for shame.

[myrodr]

Well the payment was corrected but thanks to Jerry for keeping things cool when I made a mistake on his e mail. We all should be perfect. Thanks all

[lji372]

Well the payment was corrected but thanks to Jerry for keeping things cool when I made a mistake on his e mail. We all should be perfect. Thanks all

No worries, drove down to that place you guys call a state today. All I can say is im glad to be home :P

[myrodr]

Glad to here you can survive south of that border!

[lji372]

Paypal as gift to:
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Copy the list and add your name to it.....

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[Zack]

Brake lines are in
Will install tomorrow

[Zack]

Brake lines fit perfectly
Contact Todd@TCE for them!!!!

[lji372]

1.Sully08 (shipped to canada) paid!
2.Green96 paid/shipped
3.myrodr paid/shipped
4.willg****** paid/shipped
5.GJR@nola paid/shipped
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[Zack]

I love Jerry

[Todd TCE]

RE: HOSE KITS

Yes I will have/get the proper hoses per Zach's design. And yes I'll make them available in both 2 and 4 line for your needs. They are identical to the others but for the ends and threads for the banjo bolts. (that M10 thing again)

No they are not on my web page at this time and I do not expect them to show up there. You will need to keep an eye on this thread and the cc I will copy to my own section. (not trying to hijack this one)

Please DO NOT reply about hoses to this thread. Rather see that cc in my vendor area.

They will be the end of this week AT THE EARLIEST...(keep your fingers crossed). However I'll be going out of town on Saturday for a week. I'll do my best to have them ready and let me wife mail them as she can and orders dictate.

[Zack]

Thanks Todd!

[guspech750]

Great job Zack, Jerry and Todd.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/14/ete5esa5.jpg


Sent from The White House on taxpayers dimes.

DTR + 4.10's + Eaton swap = Wreeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom

[Zack]

R&D officially complete.
Enjoy your saved money!

[lji372]

R&D officially complete.
Enjoy your saved money!

^^^^^nice

But everyone who previously bought big brakes is disliking that you held off on this idea for ten years :/

[guspech750]

^^^^^nice

But everyone who previously bought big brakes is disliking that you held off on this idea for yen years :/

Meh. I still like the look of my Wilwoods and they perform great on the track.


But this setup is a GREAT option for those who want anything better than OEM and have $$$ left over for other mods!!

Nice to have options.


Sent from The White House on taxpayers dimes.

DTR + 4.10's + Eaton swap = Wreeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom

[justbob]

My anal OCD'd arse is still waiting on some rears! :)
qztuEucrNBc

Self proclaimed Builder Of Badassery.

Buy it, Break it, Build it BETTER.
"Since 2004"

[fastblackmerc]

Meh. I still like the look of my Wilwoods and they perform great on the track.


But this setup is a GREAT option for those who want anything better than OEM and have $$$ left over for other mods!!

Nice to have options.


Sent from The White House on taxpayers dimes.

DTR + 4.10's + Eaton swap = Wreeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom

+1!

Love my Wilwoods..... Saved the front bumper many times.

[myrodr]

UPS Just dropped my brackets !! they are sweet! thanks Jerry. Zach thanks for taking time to share this with us!

[stevengerard]

Great job Zack, Jerry and Todd.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/14/ete5esa5.jpg


Sent from The White House on taxpayers dimes.

DTR + 4.10's + Eaton swap = Wreeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom

Who's the skinny guy in the pic - hmm, I don't recognize him - even his head is small

[s4ddriverr]

1.Sully08 (shipped to canada) paid!
2.Green96 paid/shipped
3.myrodr paid/shipped
4.willg****** paid/shipped
5.GJR@nola paid/shipped
6.s4ddriverr paid
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[lji372]

1.Sully08 (shipped to canada) paid!
2.Green96 paid/shipped
3.myrodr paid/shipped
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5.GJR@nola paid/shipped
6.s4ddriverr paid shipped
7.frost paid shipped
8.ramos29 paid
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:bump: only four sets left......

[Zack]

So much winning

[Mike M]

Ok, count me in.

Whats the Paypal address?

[Sully008]

Brackets came in the other day. Just waiting for Todd and the new brake lines. I've been checking out prices for calipers, discs and pads on various websites. I'll probably go with stuff from rockauto.com. I haven't had any problems with stuff I've bought from them in the past.

[lji372]

Ok, count me in.

Whats the Paypal address?

Lji_372@yahoo.com

[lji372]

1.Sully08 (shipped to canada) paid!
2.Green96 paid/shipped
3.myrodr paid/shipped
4.willg****** paid/shipped
5.GJR@nola paid/shipped
6.s4ddriverr paid shipped
7.frost paid shipped
8.ramos29 paid
9.ts-pa paid
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:bump: only three sets left

[JBeezy]

When will the next sets be made?

[lji372]

When will the next sets be made?

Doubtful another run will be made at this time.........

Unless enough people front money of course

[JBeezy]

Well put me on the list. Let me find your paypal and price

[lji372]

Lji_372@yahoo.com

[Limited360]

I like big brakes and I cannot lie

[lji372]

I like big brakes and I cannot lie

You other brothers can't deny

[lji372]

1.Sully08 (shipped to canada) paid!
2.Green96 paid/shipped
3.myrodr paid/shipped
4.willg****** paid/shipped
5.GJR@nola paid/shipped
6.s4ddriverr paid shipped
7.frost paid shipped
8.ramos29 paid
9.ts-pa paid
10.jbeezy paid
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:bump: only two sets left

[Spectragod]

I like big brakes and I cannot lie


You other brothers can't deny

That when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist

[Mike M]

1.Sully08 (shipped to canada) paid!
2.Green96 paid/shipped
3.myrodr paid/shipped
4.willg****** paid/shipped
5.GJR@nola paid/shipped
6.s4ddriverr paid shipped
7.frost paid shipped
8.ramos29 paid
9.ts-pa paid
10.jbeezy paid
11.Mike M paid
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:bump: only two sets left
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[lji372]

[QUOTE=lji372;1402433]1.Sully08 (shipped to canada) paid!
2.Green96 paid/shipped
3.myrodr paid/shipped
4.willg****** paid/shipped
5.GJR@nola paid/shipped
6.s4ddriverr paid shipped
7.frost paid shipped
8.ramos29 paid
9.ts-pa paid
10.jbeezy paid
11. Mike M paid
12.

:bump: last set folks

[lji372]

1.Sully08 (shipped to canada) paid!
2.Green96 paid/shipped
3.myrodr paid/shipped
4.willg****** paid/shipped
5.GJR@nola paid/shipped
6.s4ddriverr paid shipped
7.frost paid shipped
8.ramos29 paid shipped
9.ts-pa paid shipped
10.jbeezy paid shipped
11. Mike M paid shipped
12.accumulator paid shipped
Sold out folks!!!!!

[Accumulator]

OK, Sold.

Check your email & PayPal, should've gone through.

[Zack]

Congrats to those who took advantage of this offering.

[Limited360]

WIN for everyone involved I would say!

[JBeezy]

Only problem I foresee is the bleeding of the abs. I've never had that done or attempted it

[Zack]

Only problem I foresee is the bleeding of the abs. I've never had that done or attempted it

That's not necessary. :confused:

[JBeezy]

That's not necessary. :confused:
I thought your brakes improved tremendously after having that done. After swapping the brake lines I thought it would be necessary